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About the SL-9 resolution...
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The incident is solved, Darke is convicted. Gant makes it to Chief of Police, and arranges Lana's transferal to the Prosecutor's Office. At this point, everything is fine. Chief Gant's next course of action, however, is what left me confused. The detectives involved in the investigation are all "dealt with"; Angel Starr is fired, Jake Marshall is demoted and Goodman stays.
Questions:
1. Why? What the hell was their reason for that? Starr mentions Goodman being spared in order to avoid suspicion from the comissioners, but what reason DID they give to said comissioners regarding Starr's firing and Marshall's demotion? "Oh, the finest detectives on the force managed to solve a case, but since Gant did more work than them, might as well teach 'em a lesson and stay with freaking Detective Gumshoe* and company"?
2. Why did Starr and Marshall accept their "punishment" so quietly and decided that blindly hating on prosecutors was a good way of relieving themselves? If Marshall has the balls to steal Goodman's ID, barge into the evidence room and pull a knife on an officer (granted, Meekins, but still), why is it that he didn't have the balls to complain?
And where does that leave the so-called "Cough-up Queen"?
* don't get me wrong, I love Gumshoe, but from a logical point of view, if they fire the best for no reason, then where does that leave the incompetents?
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Rov wrote:
Wasn't it because they let a prosecutor get murdered in their own HQ? Lana wanted Gant to help cover it up because she thought that Ema killed Neil Marshall, so they frame Darke for it, and "got rid" of anyone involved with the SL-9 Incident so they wouldn't get nosy. How'd you miss the entire end of that case?
Okay, first of all, the ones present in the questioning were Gant and Neil. Darke made a run for it and took the elevator, and the power went out shortly afterwards, which would affect communications within the HQ severely.
They framed Darke for the final murder, yes, then got rid of the detectives. Which brings me back to my point: what was their reason? They can't fire people without any reason, not in this case scenario. Starr and Marshall did nothing wrong according to what the game tells us, and even then they got dealt with without any advice. If the comissioners simply looked at that and said "well okay then", then the PW World's Police Force is really as incompetent as they say.
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Rov wrote:
Oh, you mean like that. I guess they probably made up a reason? Something trivial but still reason enough to get them out of the way. It's not really of any consequence what the fake reason was, just as long as it got them out of the way. I'm sure Gant didn't have any trouble imposing himself upon the commissioners; he's a pretty intimidating fellow!
Yeah, I know they gave a reason, since they GOT demoted/fired and whatnot, but it's this "made-up reason" that bugs me, I mean... they probably could say what you wrote above (about how they let a prosecutor die in their own HQ), but the circumnstances would make this a very shaky basis for firing your finest investigators, since they have detectives like Gumshoe who screw up big-time in a regular basis and never do squat about it (and even go so far as to reinstate him... twice!).
And I also can imagine Gant intimidating the comissioners, the man can intimidate his own freaking reflection, but if that was the case, then I guess he wouldn't have any problems dealing with Goodman too...
Well, like I said, PW Police is pretty dumb. They're just proving themselves to be way dumber than I thought.
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If the comissioners simply looked at that and said "well okay then", then the PW World's Police Force is really as incompetent as they say.
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Well, like I said, PW Police is pretty dumb. They're just proving themselves to be way dumber than I thought.
I'd like to quote VGR, which basically explains everything wrong with PW: "in order to make Phoenix, King of the Tards, look like a brilliant defense attorney, everyone else has to be an even bigger tard."
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CatMuto wrote:
I'd like to quote VGR, which basically explains everything wrong with PW: "in order to make Phoenix, King of the Tards, look like a brilliant defense attorney, everyone else has to be an even bigger tard."
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I love those PW Recaps, but I feel bad reading them because I also love the series and they are simply smashed in there.
But yeah, that's pretty much the only thing I can think of: "Starr and Marshall were relieved from their duties without any explanation because Gant's smart and the entire rest of police force is a fucking goldfish"
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Food poisoning: Something Phoenix and Ema were perpetually afraid of when dealing with Angel Starr, and something strongly inferred was a modus operandi for her.
Negligence at the Post: Tell me, does a lasso on the ground really strike you as a practical security measure, when you're supposed to be ON DUTY? Just imagine actions like that with Jake as a detective and you've got all you need to demote him.
These are things that could easily be overlooked by Gant as chief if it so suited him. But if it suited him to get rid of them, all he'd need to do is bring those issues up at the next reviews, along with Gumshoe's proposed salary cut, and it wouldn't even take Gant directly, but an immediate supervisor to do it for him.
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Wooster wrote:
Negligence at the Post: Tell me, does a lasso on the ground really strike you as a practical security measure, when you're supposed to be ON DUTY? Just imagine actions like that with Jake as a detective and you've got all you need to demote him.
Well, no... but to be fair, you only get to see that room after he gets demoted. And Jake himself admits to just not giving a shit about his job at that point (for example, going to restaurants/bars when he's supposed to be watching the cameras)... or at least that's what I gathered from all the western film lingo. He might have put forth a little more effort than that before the SL-9 incident.
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Wooster wrote:
Food poisoning: Something Phoenix and Ema were perpetually afraid of when dealing with Angel Starr, and something strongly inferred was a modus operandi for her.
Yeah, but didn't she only become a--whatever she's called--"lunch lady" after she was demoted?
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If I remember correctly, officially Gant dealt with the SL-9 team members differently as to not arouse suspicion. Starr was fired, Jake was demoted, and Goodman was let be. Goodman was never much of a threat since he wasn't a particularly gifted Detective, that may be why he was let be. Or at least, he was labeled a non threat until he asked certain questions...
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And Wooster, your reasoning regarding Marshall's demotion is very possible. He might have been more caring of his job when he was a detective, but old habits die hard, we see all the time (and not only on PW) detectives and cops who drink at the job and stuff.
However, that leaves two problems: The first is, what did Starr do to be fired? She only became biased and "unsuited for detective work" (as Edgeworth stated) after being let go, so I don't imagine her having behavior problems like Marshall did. Second, let's suppose Starr had some sort of problem, maybe being too extreme when it came to confessions ("cough-ups"). We have a fine investigator with an extreme mindset, and another fine investigator who speaks in Old Wild West riddles and metaphors, and drinks/does stuff on the job.
Which one would you fire and which one would you demote? I'd demote Starr and fire Marshall, if I was Gant.
EDIT: And also, I'd like to bring this point again for the third time: if Starr is fired due to "food poisoning" or whatever, and Marshall's demoted for being immoral...
WHY does the police keep insisting on people like Gumshoe and Ema (who, let's be honest, is ridiculous as a homicide detective, despite her vast knowledge on forensics)? the only reason that comes to mind is that they're too corrupt to have good officers and prefer to stay with the incapable ones because their jobs would be safe.
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As for who to fire and who to demote, consider this: Jake looks like a clown, and has a bit of a 'who cares' mood about him. Angel Starr however exploited all of her connections while outside of the loop. Imagine her still on the force and access to police materials. She'd have her agendas done before you could say "second course".
Might've made for a very interesting story if Starr was on the force, but I think Gant made the better decision for it.
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Gumshoe and Ema don't get fired for their muck-ups, sure, but they're not on Gant's enemy list (and they probably have their respective prosecutors looking out for them, so to speak).
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