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Bringing this back from the emergency forums back in 2011, and let me just say, I bring new information that almost CON-FUCKING FIRMS PART OF THIS THEORY.

But first, the original theory:

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So I've played through Ace Attorney time and again, and I love the series. Something has always occurred to me though; where is the game set? I'm not talking about the Japanese GK, because it's pretty obvious it's a fictional city in Japan. That's not what I'm concerned about. I was wondering where the localization could be set.

As someone creating a fangame, perhaps it's just the architect in me, I always think of settings before anything else, where things occur is important to me. Anyway enough about that.

SO. It's generally accepted fanon that it's set in L.A., and this has always bugged me. I'm willing to believe that it's set in California, given the metropolitan setting and the more liberal ideologies of the characters. But, L.A. seems to impossible based on what we see in the game. L.A. is a costal city, where the climate is consistently warm or mild. This doesn't fit in with events that happen in AA.

So, my hypothesis, is that it takes place in a fictonal town known as Hope Springs, California. This fictional town is in Northern California, not too far from the coast, but not close to it. It has a decent proximity to the mountainous areas, but you still have to take a train to get to them. It's a decent sized city, big enough to have it's own airport, but not big enough where you can't walk to get from place to place, so somewhere from a few hundred thousand citizens to maximum 1 million. It clearly a metropolitan area, with plenty of skyscrapers, office complexes, and a well funded government (I mean, a 16 story police department). And I bring PROOF!

-The name comes from the airport in AAI (Hope Springs Airport), airports are almost always named after one of two things 1) the city it's built in, or 2) an important or historical figure they try to honor. While Hope Springs sounds like it could be the name of a person, it sounds more like a city, and plus with the idea of name puns and the themes of the series, Hope Springs seems like a fitting name.

-It's proneness to earthquakes lends HEAVILY to it's location in California. (Thanks VelleVette), also, the fact that Gumshoe mentions L.A. casaually also helps it's case.

-A location in northern California allows the ability to have a cold enough winter to permit snow. Not blizzard-esque conditions, but a reasonable amount such as in case 2-3.

-Proximity to mountains (from a reasonable distance) suddenly makes Kurain and Hazakura quite possible. Also a mountain in the north makes snow more likely on places like Hazakura which aren't directly near the peak.

-Plus it being a city near Sacramento (also north-ish) could make this fictional city's surreal political importance more reasonable.

Almost all of this came from the game series and a bit of knowledge of geography.


Now note this piece of evidence from Turnabout Succession (4-4):

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This is the letter that Drew Misham sends to Kristoph Gavin (who is in solitary) right before his death, the poisoned stamp actually being the CAUSE of his death. Now the to line in the middle is clearly a pseudonym, but the INTERESTING part is the address, more specifcially, the city. Blessing Springs, CA.

Now, if that doesn't thoroughly de-bunk the LA setting theory, I don't know what will. Of course we don't have any other information on the setting aside from what we can glean, but I think the rest of my theory still applies perfectly, and frankly, Hope Springs could be a Retcon in AAI to change the name of the city (I frankly prefer Hope Springs to Blessing Springs, and will be using that as the setting in my fangame). Also notice the localization team cleverly made the ZIP Code partially illegible, as far as I can tell, unless someone can make it out better than I can.

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You've put a lot of work into this, good job. It explains a lot of the geographical inconsistencies that come up. I always wondered why they picked L.A. because it didn't make really any sense (I always thought a city like San Francisco fit the environment much better).

Two things though:

1. The name "Hope Springs" was used for the AAI airport but it was never mentioned as being a town name. Blessing Springs, however, was used as a location name in the series. I understand that AAI was newer, but I'd almost take greater stock in the confirmed town name than the airport which could have possibly been named after something else. I'd almost say Blessing Springs has more chance of being the name of the town.

2. You say that its accepted fanon that the games are set in LA...correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it confirmed once in the in-game text that the games were set in L.A? It's always possible Blessing/Hope Springs is a suburb of LA, but I'm pretty sure there was such a mention in the game. The official Wiki lists it as the setting and they never usually list anything that isn't strictly canon. I could be mistaken though.
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The only mention of LA in the games, ever, is in 1-5 when Gumshoe says that Jake Marshall is from LA, it's all just been extrapolated from there.
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Now note this piece of evidence from Turnabout Succession (4-4):

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This is the letter that Drew Misham sends to Kristoph Gavin (who is in solitary) right before his death, the poisoned stamp actually being the CAUSE of his death. Now the to line in the middle is clearly a pseudonym, but the INTERESTING part is the address, more specifcially, the city. Blessing Springs, CA.

Now, if that doesn't thoroughly de-bunk the LA setting theory, I don't know what will. Of course we don't have any other information on the setting aside from what we can glean, but I think the rest of my theory still applies perfectly, and frankly, Hope Springs could be a Retcon in AAI to change the name of the city (I frankly prefer Hope Springs to Blessing Springs, and will be using that as the setting in my fangame). Also notice the localization team cleverly made the ZIP Code partially illegible, as far as I can tell, unless someone can make it out better than I can.

It actually seems to read 90012, where Little Tokyo is set in east LA. Now, that second number could possibly be a 6, but that would put the city too far north, closer to Lake Tahoe. In any case, it doesn't look like a 4 or 5, which is where the Bay Area encompasses. So, if anything, it supports the LA theory.

But I have to agree; the climate and geography around the city better resembles those of northern California. By the way, the latitude of Tokyo City is just about a degree south of Santa Cruz. Not the best comparison, I know; but I find it intriguing.
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To be quite honest, I think you're putting too much thought into this.
For all I care, the names have been translated and that's it. The story still takes place in a Japanese setting for me.

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To be quite honest, I think you're putting too much thought into this.
For all I care, the names have been translated and that's it. The story still takes place in a Japanese setting for me.

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It actually seems to read 90012, where Little Tokyo is set in east LA. Now, that second number could possibly be a 6, but that would put the city too far north, closer to Lake Tahoe. In any case, it doesn't look like a 4 or 5, which is where the Bay Area encompasses. So, if anything, it supports the LA theory.

But I have to agree; the climate and geography around the city better resembles those of northern California. By the way, the latitude of Tokyo City is just about a degree south of Santa Cruz. Not the best comparison, I know; but I find it intriguing.


I wouldn't say it's 90012, the second number looks too... I'm not sure, but I don't really see a zero there, a four, five, or six, is more likely, and the fourth number SEEMS to be a one or a seven but it's hard to make it, it could easily be a two.

I'm less hung up on the zip code, because I'm not convinced it's something that an enormous amount of thought was put into, but was made to vaguely resemble 90210, the eponymous California zip code.


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You may not like my contribution, but that doesn't make it any less the truth.
I have been known to make a big deal out of the huge flaws the GS court system has - more than even a friendly satyrical take on the Japanese court system can have - but I never knew or care about the setting of the damn place. Why? Because Gyakuten Saiban is a Japanese game, set in a Japanese environment and any attempt done in-games to make it seem 'western' is dumb.
Case 1-4, no American teenager would forget about it being Christmas. Ignoring the part where Japan celebrates Christmas on Dec 24th and not 25th like America. Case 1-4, again, the Boat Shop Caretaker talking about noodles and saying the best were made 'west of the rockies'. Case 1-4, again, referring to heated tables/kotatsu. Those definitely exist in any American household.

Those are the top things I can think of where they tried to localize GS into an American setting.
And they were terrible. Why did they think they needed to localize the game's setting? I was told that the manual makes mention that the GS law system is not to be taken as any real life law system. So why can't they add a little note saying "It's a satyre of the Japanese court system - if you don't get it, screw it" so that people don't wonder exactly where this thing could be located in America?

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You may not like my contribution, but that doesn't make it any less the truth.
I have been known to make a big deal out of the huge flaws the GS court system has - more than even a friendly satyrical take on the Japanese court system can have - but I never knew or care about the setting of the damn place. Why? Because Gyakuten Saiban is a Japanese game, set in a Japanese environment and any attempt done in-games to make it seem 'western' is dumb.
Case 1-4, no American teenager would forget about it being Christmas. Ignoring the part where Japan celebrates Christmas on Dec 24th and not 25th like America. Case 1-4, again, the Boat Shop Caretaker talking about noodles and saying the best were made 'west of the rockies'. Case 1-4, again, referring to heated tables/kotatsu. Those definitely exist in any American household.

Those are the top things I can think of where they tried to localize GS into an American setting.
And they were terrible. Why did they think they needed to localize the game's setting? I was told that the manual makes mention that the GS law system is not to be taken as any real life law system. So why can't they add a little note saying "It's a satyre of the Japanese court system - if you don't get it, screw it" so that people don't wonder exactly where this thing could be located in America?

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Regardless of your feelings on the quality of the localization, your "contribution" is completely irrelevant to the discussion. The fact of the matter is that the localized version is set in America, in California, and the discussion pertains to that localization alone. This isn't a "The localization team sux Japan is teh reel stting" discussion, this is a "The localization sets it in America, where in America might that be?" discussion. I'd gladly debate the finer points of the localization with you on a different topic, but not this one. So take your negative nonsense elsewhere.
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Believe me, you won't hear me saying "Japan is teh best cuz iz twu!"
They did a decent enough job localizing the text and names, even if the text is littered with typos at times, but I just don't like how they tried to put in hints that it takes place in America. Why can't they let games that originally take place in Japan just keep taking place in Japan?


And as somebody mentioned, nobody actually in-game ever said that the game was taking place in LA or California. Only mention of LA was Marshall coming from Western LA, which is dumb, why can't they just say he comes from Texas.

And if you say the localization takes place in California, well why are you saying that it can't take place in California? Because the climate in California is pretty mild? In which case, Northern California is just fine as that does have a bit of a harsher climate than the southern california part, where they do get things like snow and cold weather.

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Believe me, you won't hear me saying "Japan is teh best cuz iz twu!"
They did a decent enough job localizing the text and names, even if the text is littered with typos at times, but I just don't like how they tried to put in hints that it takes place in America. Why can't they let games that originally take place in Japan just keep taking place in Japan?


And as somebody mentioned, nobody actually in-game ever said that the game was taking place in LA or California. Only mention of LA was Marshall coming from Western LA, which is dumb, why can't they just say he comes from Texas.

And if you say the localization takes place in California, well why are you saying that it can't take place in California? Because the climate in California is pretty mild? In which case, Northern California is just fine as that does have a bit of a harsher climate than the southern california part, where they do get things like snow and cold weather.

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This is starting to get off topic, but here, read this and think it over.

They say Marshall is from west LA instead of Texas because this country isn't Japanexas, it's Japanifornia. That's pretty much the kind of joke that was made in the Japanese version. Naruhodo-kun mistook Zaimon for a space alien (it was a slip of the tongue) and a foreigner. How does the localization team deal with that? Make Marshall a resident of Japanifornia, of course.
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They say Marshall is from west LA instead of Texas because this country isn't Japanexas, it's Japanifornia.


Just quick pointing out, why can't they just say he came from Texas, but was then transferred to wherever AA takes place?

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because Texans are southern folk You got me there. Is Texas actually part of a different country in this universe? Though, that doesn't explain where Lotta came from...
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They say Marshall is from west LA instead of Texas because this country isn't Japanexas, it's Japanifornia.


Just quick pointing out, why can't they just say he came from Texas, but was then transferred to wherever AA takes place?

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I always thought it was part of the joke. Texas is what most Americans assume to be the "real deal" when it comes to Cowboys, so having a cowboy come from West LA, rather than the actual focal point of the "old west" makes him a little bit more of an eccentric personality, because it makes him a bit of a phony and Phoenix gets to wonder why he is the way he is. That's what I always thought.
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They say Marshall is from west LA instead of Texas because this country isn't Japanexas, it's Japanifornia.


Just quick pointing out, why can't they just say he came from Texas, but was then transferred to wherever AA takes place?

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Because he always references Texas, almost every other line, and he thinks he's a Cowboy. But not only is he not from Texas, he's from LA, that is the joke.
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They say Marshall is from west LA instead of Texas because this country isn't Japanexas, it's Japanifornia.


Just quick pointing out, why can't they just say he came from Texas, but was then transferred to wherever AA takes place?

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Because he always references Texas, almost every other line, and he thinks he's a Cowboy. But not only is he not from Texas, he's from LA, that is the joke.


Said joke not being funny. That's the worst part about it.

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Because he always references Texas, almost every other line, and he thinks he's a Cowboy. But not only is he not from Texas, he's from LA, that is the joke.


Said joke not being funny. That's the worst part about it.

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Again, what you think of the joke, how funny it is, what a character's backstory should be, what have you, is irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that the joke is there and his backstory is what it is. Which brings back the main idea of the thread, which is "AA is not set in LA, what if it was set in this location based on information inferred from the games."
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I'm sorry; I'm probably definitely off topic here, but I kind of wanted to interject first...

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Case 1-4, no American teenager would forget about it being Christmas. Ignoring the part where Japan celebrates Christmas on Dec 24th and not 25th like America. Case 1-4, again, the Boat Shop Caretaker talking about noodles and saying the best were made 'west of the rockies'. Case 1-4, again, referring to heated tables/kotatsu. Those definitely exist in any American household.


I beg to differ on the first two points. One, California is indeed west of the rockies, as is Japan. If he specified one over the other, then yes, your objection may hold, but right now, I don't think it does.

Two, I am American and 18 as of this Saturday, and regularly forget and ignore Christmas until it's half over or already passed. No, seriously; even just last year I was wondering why they were showing so many Christmas specials until I got a text from a friend saying "Merry Xmas" or something, at which point I looked at the calendar and face-palmed. :sadshoe:

I concede the thing about kotatsu, though. Ouran Host Club was basically the only reason I recognized it for what it was xD

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They did a decent enough job localizing the text and names, even if the text is littered with typos at times, but I just don't like how they tried to put in hints that it takes place in America. Why can't they let games that originally take place in Japan just keep taking place in Japan?


Imagine if all they did was localize the text and names. What the hell would people with names like "Phoenix Wright", "Mia Fey", "Damon Gant", and "Miles Edgeworth" be doing in Japan's legal system? You would expect the big names of the government to match up with the society, right? Not to mention all the Character(s) of the Days. Yes, a random photographer in Japan would be Lotta Hart from the heartland, and the random kid that sneaks onto the Steel Samurai/Tonasaman set on a regular basis is Cody Hackins. Suuuure.

Now, this could be rectified by just leaving the names as romanizations of their originals (Ryuuichi Naruhodou, Chihiro Ayasato, etc.) but this would work to alienate a good number of potential buyers. Most people like to be able to pronounce the names of the characters they're playing with, and unfortunately, not everyone reads Japanese... romanized or not. Not to mention, a lot of the name-based puns would be lost on the audience due to the language barrier. Annoying as it is, the change in names was necessary, and with the change in names had to come a change in setting.


Okay! On topic now!

Yeah, I noticed the odd discrepancy of the game's setting, too... I looked at the address on said yellow envelope at a bunch of different angles and believe it is addressed to Blazing Springs, CA 98012. But that doesn't make sense, as 98012 is in Washington :sillytrucy: I also looked at the address on the envelope addressed to Drew Misham in the same case; it appears to be addressed to Yardsmith (Yardsville?), CA, 96124. I looked it up. 96124 is in Calpine, CA. That's in the Sierra County of Northern California, two hours away from Sacramento and only one from Reno, according to Mapquest.

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Good theory. I always thought that Ace attorney was in the same state as the Simpsons. Never realise the CA after the letter interesting...
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Okay! On topic now!

Yeah, I noticed the odd discrepancy of the game's setting, too... I looked at the address on said yellow envelope at a bunch of different angles and believe it is addressed to Blazing Springs, CA 98012. But that doesn't make sense, as 98012 is in Washington :sillytrucy: I also looked at the address on the envelope addressed to Drew Misham in the same case; it appears to be addressed to Yardsmith (Yardsville?), CA, 96124. I looked it up. 96124 is in Calpine, CA. That's in the Sierra County of Northern California, two hours away from Sacramento and only one from Reno, according to Mapquest.

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It's interesting to think about the different possibilites. I will freely admit that you can't make out for certain what the envelope says, I made out what I saw to the best of my ability and thought Blessing Springs seemed the most likely, given the thematic naming and also using Hope Springs as another hint. Blazing Springs is still another possibility, it's interesting to think about the Zip Codes. I'm not certain how much attention was paid to Zip Coding beyond the fact that they made sure they were in California!

But very interesting info you bring, I thank you!

EDIT: Both of those titles make more sense than what they have on the Wikia, which is "Blaing Springs" for some reason.
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It's interesting to think about the different possibilites. I will freely admit that you can't make out for certain what the envelope says, I made out what I saw to the best of my ability and thought Blessing Springs seemed the most likely, given the thematic naming and also using Hope Springs as another hint. Blazing Springs is still another possibility, it's interesting to think about the Zip Codes. I'm not certain how much attention was paid to Zip Coding beyond the fact that they made sure they were in California!

But very interesting info you bring, I thank you!

EDIT: Both of those titles make more sense than what they have on the Wikia, which is "Blaing Springs" for some reason.


Eh. It's all pixelated. Unless the localization team gives us a definite answer, we may never know! I thought I saw seven letters on Blazing/Blessing/Blaing, so I did what I could to make the letters between "Bl" and "ing" seem coherent in my mind. I see how it can be Blessing or Blaing; I thought it said Blessing too until I tried to make out the zip code, and the pic in the first post has it at a size and angle where it's possible to mesh whatever's between "Bl" and "ing" into one wide "a". I figure Capcom just made up the addresses entirely with minimal thought, though :yuusaku:

I think it's really nice that they note Kristoph's address on the Wikia but not Misham's :yuusaku:
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I'm gonna have to say this.
People can pronounce names like Naruhodo and Ayasato, whether they speak Japanese or don't.
They just pronounce it wrong. (Which I hate, I mean it's such a spit in the face of the "different language" it's like pronouncing Betty as Bah-Teai istead of Be-tea)
So the pronounciation "problem" does technically not exist.

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I'm gonna have to say this.
People can pronounce names like Naruhodo and Ayasato, whether they speak Japanese or don't.
They just pronounce it wrong. (Which I hate, I mean it's such a spit in the face of the "different language" it's like pronouncing Betty as Bah-Teai istead of Be-tea)
So the pronounciation "problem" does technically not exist.

C-A


That's what I meant; sorry if I didn't get it across. There are people who realize they're not pronouncing the names correctly, dislike that fact, and either literally can't get their mouths to form the correct pronounciation or don't know what the correct pronounciation is. Simple to circumvent, yes, but some people just don't have the patience to deal with it. They're idiots for it, but they're idiots that could have been spending money on a series but refuse due to their idiocy.
So I finally grew a brain and remembered to give myself a signature... Whoopee.
Snackoos IRL. They are delicious and are covered in real chocolate. #so-grateful-I'm-Filipino

Excuse me if I contradict myself. I do that.
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