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I dunno if it makes me a cold person... But I don't think I would blindly trust someone like this. People screw up and they are capable of doing unimaginable things when their lives are in danger. Of course, I could considerate other possibilities and suspect witness, but I definitely can't see myself like "OH NO, YOU'D NEVER KILL SOMEONE! NEVER!".
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Now if it was something like my mother being imprisoned for something, I'd like to know for what and how and that would make me know whether she had done it or didn't. I'm not saying I'd suspect my mother to do something, but there are things I'd say, "Yeah that's something she'd do if angered enough" and stuff that is so off her course, it seems dumb to have done it.
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S'why I'd say 2-4 is one of my favourites.
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Pierre wrote:
I think having a magic device that tells you when someone is lying or not kinda cheats the whole trust mechanic anyway.
The Magatam is not a lie-detector...
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*cough*, and sometimes, I get a feeling that I shouldn't trust someone at all. But I think I would trust most people like Phoenix does.
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CatMuto wrote:
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I think having a magic device that tells you when someone is lying or not kinda cheats the whole trust mechanic anyway.
The Magatam is not a lie-detector...
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It basically functions as one for the sake of cases.
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Pierre wrote:
It basically functions as one for the sake of cases.
It does not. It reacts to a secret someone wants to keep a secret.
Reaction to Secrets =/= Detecting Lies
Yes, people will lie to hold secrets. But the magatama reacts to any secret they want to keep safe. Ini's potential relationship to Dr Grey was not something she really lied about, but she wanted to keep the fact that she had worked for him before - hence knowing him - a secret. That's where the Magatama reacted.
Indeed, she starts its reaction first by saying, "I don't know any Dr Grey!" but still.
Matt doesn't lie, but when the topic of his "Secret" comes up, the Magatama reacts. He wasn't lying. Ditto on the question, "Did you kill Juan Corrida?" and he said he didn't. The Magatama doesn't react because he has no secret of Juan's death being connected to him in his heart.
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It basically functions as one for the sake of cases.
It does not. It reacts to a secret someone wants to keep a secret.
Reaction to Secrets =/= Detecting Lies
Yes, people will lie to hold secrets. But the magatama reacts to any secret they want to keep safe. Ini's potential relationship to Dr Grey was not something she really lied about, but she wanted to keep the fact that she had worked for him before - hence knowing him - a secret. That's where the Magatama reacted.
Indeed, she starts its reaction first by saying, "I don't know any Dr Grey!" but still.
Matt doesn't lie, but when the topic of his "Secret" comes up, the Magatama reacts. He wasn't lying. Ditto on the question, "Did you kill Juan Corrida?" and he said he didn't. The Magatama doesn't react because he has no secret of Juan's death being connected to him in his heart.
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Alright, I'm sorry I simplified it to show how ridiculous it was clearly I need to be specific.
Yeah I'm aware it just indicates someone is hiding something.
When Phoenix starts an investigation with "Did you kill X" and nothing comes up he is using it as a lie detector essentially or at least a sign that something is suspicious.
Then when he gets no response he's totally fine with defending them to the last. When he says "I trust in my client" he does that because he knows that they didn't do it and so there must be a truth that is missing to clear his name.
Phoenix was called out on it in 2-4 but it doesn't stop him from doing it at the start of every interview with a new client (assuming it's not like someone obvious like Maya or Larry in question here).
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More seriously, I can sympathize with his faith. I prefer not to distrust others, especially when I first meet them, but first and second impressions are the most crucial. Then again, I also tend to keep my distance in unfamiliar territory and take all judgments with a grain of salt.
...But, I've never been in such a situation where I'm left in charge of someone's life, so this question doesn't quite apply to me.
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'He/she would NEVER do that!' I would not dare utter those words even if it were someone I trust. When anyone feels in a state of danger.. self-defense mechanism ensues. Virtually all other ways are thrown out of the window.
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More seriously, I can sympathize with his faith. I prefer not to distrust others, especially when I first meet them, but first and second impressions are the most crucial. Then again, I also tend to keep my distance in unfamiliar territory and take all judgments with a grain of salt.
I actually think the other way around. I prefer not to trust others, especially when I first meet them. I can only trust someone with something so deep like that after years of friendship. Unfortunately, no matter how admirable it is, his faith doesn't apply in real life.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
More seriously, I can sympathize with his faith. I prefer not to distrust others, especially when I first meet them, but first and second impressions are the most crucial. Then again, I also tend to keep my distance in unfamiliar territory and take all judgments with a grain of salt.
I actually think the other way around. I prefer not to trust others, especially when I first meet them. I can only trust someone with something so deep like that after years of friendship. Unfortunately, no matter how admirable it is, his faith doesn't apply in real life.
I respectfully disagree. It's such a faith in others that keeps people together. I've seen it among strangers during a visit to an aboriginal tribe in Taiwan. Keep in mind that these folks are among the more discriminated ethnicities of the country. They live hard lives, but they still manage to thrive, and their precious culture has recently made a recovery through tourism. They don't make kindness like they used to, but at least it's still around... scattered in the unknown places. (By the way, the only things my family paid for this tour were in the souvenir shop.)
I'm not saying that being as gullible as Phoenix can be justified usually, but there's a big difference between naivety and gullibility.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
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More seriously, I can sympathize with his faith. I prefer not to distrust others, especially when I first meet them, but first and second impressions are the most crucial. Then again, I also tend to keep my distance in unfamiliar territory and take all judgments with a grain of salt.
I actually think the other way around. I prefer not to trust others, especially when I first meet them. I can only trust someone with something so deep like that after years of friendship. Unfortunately, no matter how admirable it is, his faith doesn't apply in real life.
I respectfully disagree. It's such a faith in others that keeps people together. I've seen it among strangers during a visit to an aboriginal tribe in Taiwan. Keep in mind that these folks are among the more discriminated ethnicities of the country. They live hard lives, but they still manage to thrive, and their precious culture has recently made a recovery through tourism. They don't make kindness like they used to, but at least it's still around... scattered in the unknown places. (By the way, the only things my family paid for this tour were in the souvenir shop.)
I'm not saying that being as gullible as Phoenix can be justified usually, but there's a big difference between naivety and gullibility.
Gullibility is basically blindness. If the game didn't take place in a parallel world where everyone is wrongly accused, how many killers you think that Phoenix would have defended?
I can deeply trust someone, sure, but only after I've witnessed this person's behavior for a certain period of time and deduced that he/she is reliable. I cannot have faith in someone. The whole concept of faith is very, very dangerous. Phoenix just has the luck to pick the right people to have faith in.
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...Poor Nick would be out of a job for a lack of clients. It's supposed to be his innate power to detect innocence. He just messed up once.
Contrived plot convenience works well at surprising times.
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I respectfully disagree. It's such a faith in others that keeps people together. I've seen it among strangers during a visit to an aboriginal tribe in Taiwan. Keep in mind that these folks are among the more discriminated ethnicities of the country. They live hard lives, but they still manage to thrive, and their precious culture has recently made a recovery through tourism. They don't make kindness like they used to, but at least it's still around... scattered in the unknown places. (By the way, the only things my family paid for this tour were in the souvenir shop.)
That sounds incredibly preachy to me... but that may just be me. And I have to point out, nobody here is in any way talking about Nick trusting somebody from a different tribe or ethnicity. It's more about simply trusting any potential stranger you may meet.
I see a guy sitting on the bus next to me - would I trust him instantly? I say No. Not because I'm a coldhearted bitch or anything like that, it's just that I prefer to not trust somebody at first, because trusting immediately makes me gullible, which makes me vulnerable to be cheated, scammed or somehow getting the short end of the stick. As dangerousoffender said, it takes time and getting to know someone before you feel like you can trust them - be it in words, their actions or overall chemistry you may have built up with that person.
And Nick became reliant on the Magatama, so 2-4 was a nice slap in the face for him. Even he treats the Magatama as a lie detector... And Nick in the first place is too trusting, I sorta wish they would make him fail more often and get into a tight corner because he trusted too easily.
Maybe something like that happens in GS5? I dunno.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Fair enough. I'm not one to champion faith in the first place, but I can understand where it comes from.
...Poor Nick would be out of a job for a lack of clients. It's supposed to be his innate power to detect innocence. He just messed up once.
Contrived plot convenience works well at surprising times.
...Poor Nick would be out of a job for a lack of clients. It's supposed to be his innate power to detect innocence. He just messed up once.
Contrived plot convenience works well at surprising times.
Don't worry, I get what you're saying.
It's not a matter of whether strangers on the bus can be trusted so much, that's not the right question to ask. I think it comes down more to can humanity as a whole be trusted? Are people generally good hearted and not wanting to cause you harm? So long as the person isn't openly antagonistic towards you, I think you could trust them in a time of need.
Especially when it comes down to the clutch like in a disaster situation or something I imagine humanity would pull together.
Though this is all getting too big and philosophical for me, questions that can't realistically be answered.
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There is a part on the Ace attorney-page on tvtropes.org where fans share their theories, and one that makes quite a lot of sense is that Phoenix' agency has a slogan which says something like his goal is to reach the truth, which theoretically would sort out all of the guilty clients because they obviously wouldn't want the truth to be known. I don't know, I just thought it fit in this thread.
But that's silly. If Phoenix approached a potential client who was actually guilty and said person would know that his goal was to Reach Out To The Truth (Sorry, my head mixes that song with AA now...), I doubt they'd actually say they don't want him, that's like they are admitting their guilt.
Edgeworth said it right, the Guilty will always lie to avoid the consequences.
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There is a part on the Ace attorney-page on tvtropes.org where fans share their theories, and one that makes quite a lot of sense is that Phoenix' agency has a slogan which says something like his goal is to reach the truth, which theoretically would sort out all of the guilty clients because they obviously wouldn't want the truth to be known. I don't know, I just thought it fit in this thread.
But that's silly. If Phoenix approached a potential client who was actually guilty and said person would know that his goal was to Reach Out To The Truth (Sorry, my head mixes that song with AA now...), I doubt they'd actually say they don't want him, that's like they are admitting their guilt.
Edgeworth said it right, the Guilty will always lie to avoid the consequences.
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I'd assumed Phoenix just gets more cases than is shown and picks and chooses based on the Magatama's reaction.
I'd also figured that after 2-4 he is VERY careful in when his questions with the Magatama when taking on a case. Seriously it's easy for him to trust someone when he knows somehow that there is a wavy line of innocence somewhere that just needs untangled and straightened out.
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I respectfully disagree. It's such a faith in others that keeps people together. I've seen it among strangers during a visit to an aboriginal tribe in Taiwan. Keep in mind that these folks are among the more discriminated ethnicities of the country. They live hard lives, but they still manage to thrive, and their precious culture has recently made a recovery through tourism. They don't make kindness like they used to, but at least it's still around... scattered in the unknown places. (By the way, the only things my family paid for this tour were in the souvenir shop.)
That sounds incredibly preachy to me... but that may just be me. And I have to point out, nobody here is in any way talking about Nick trusting somebody from a different tribe or ethnicity. It's more about simply trusting any potential stranger you may meet.
I'm surprised that's the point you pick out from my post. I should have used a better example.
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And Nick became reliant on the Magatama, so 2-4 was a nice slap in the face for him. Even he treats the Magatama as a lie detector... And Nick in the first place is too trusting, I sorta wish they would make him fail more often and get into a tight corner because he trusted too easily.
Maybe something like that happens in GS5? I dunno.
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Maybe something like that happens in GS5? I dunno.
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Well, there's one instance in case 5, but it doesn't last. The question on his blind faith is addressed, though.
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Fair enough. I'm not one to champion faith in the first place, but I can understand where it comes from.
...Poor Nick would be out of a job for a lack of clients. It's supposed to be his innate power to detect innocence. He just messed up once.
Contrived plot convenience works well at surprising times.
...Poor Nick would be out of a job for a lack of clients. It's supposed to be his innate power to detect innocence. He just messed up once.
Contrived plot convenience works well at surprising times.
Don't worry, I get what you're saying.
It's not a matter of whether strangers on the bus can be trusted so much, that's not the right question to ask. I think it comes down more to can humanity as a whole be trusted? Are people generally good hearted and not wanting to cause you harm? So long as the person isn't openly antagonistic towards you, I think you could trust them in a time of need.
Especially when it comes down to the clutch like in a disaster situation or something I imagine humanity would pull together.
Though this is all getting too big and philosophical for me, questions that can't realistically be answered.
It never hurts to hold a door for someone even you have to wait a while before they've arrived at the door. It's kind of like that. I don't expect any favors from people I've helped; I refuse to accept any thank-you gifts. Just say "thanks" and get going, people.
This isn't a question about trust anymore, but it seems people are easily confused over the concept of "faith". It's got nothing to do with religion or personal relations.
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There is a part on the Ace attorney-page on tvtropes.org where fans share their theories, and one that makes quite a lot of sense is that Phoenix' agency has a slogan which says something like his goal is to reach the truth, which theoretically would sort out all of the guilty clients because they obviously wouldn't want the truth to be known. I don't know, I just thought it fit in this thread.
But that's silly. If Phoenix approached a potential client who was actually guilty and said person would know that his goal was to Reach Out To The Truth (Sorry, my head mixes that song with AA now...), I doubt they'd actually say they don't want him, that's like they are admitting their guilt.
Edgeworth said it right, the Guilty will always lie to avoid the consequences.
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You'd assume that just because someone is saying no thanks to this particular lawyer that means they're guilty? Now that's silly. Furthermore, what I meant, and what I guess the tv-troper meant, is that the chances of a guilty defendant going to Wright & co. is rather low, because that hypothetical slogan would throw them off and they would consult another lawyer who's only interested in defending their client.
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You'd assume that just because someone is saying no thanks to this particular lawyer that means they're guilty? Now that's silly. Furthermore, what I meant, and what I guess the tv-troper meant, is that the chances of a guilty defendant going to Wright & co. is rather low, because that hypothetical slogan would throw them off and they would consult another lawyer who's only interested in defending their client.
Remember, this is the AA-verse we are talking about. People don't go to lawyers, lawyers usually find them. And while the police in AA is so bad that any random person who sneezes in the large vicinity of a crime scene gets thrown into jail, they could still have a guilty person.
And considering how Phoenix is known to be unbeatable and I guess his potential slogan would be known, yes, somebody refusing a Looking for the Truth lawyer could be suspicious. (Because EVERYTHING is suspicious in the AA-verse, unless it's really something suspicious, in which case it gets ignored until later)
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It's not a matter of whether strangers on the bus can be trusted so much, that's not the right question to ask. I think it comes down more to can humanity as a whole be trusted?
I think the way humanity lives is an answer to your question itself. We tell children to not talk to strangers, we put passwords in our phones and we hire guards to take care of our buildings... I'm sure you are very cautious with your own wallet in public spaces.
And why's that? Because we know that there's a great amount of people that cannot be trusted... Trust is something valuable, it is not something to show to anyone at any moment.
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There is a part on the Ace attorney-page on tvtropes.org where fans share their theories, and one that makes quite a lot of sense is that Phoenix' agency has a slogan which says something like his goal is to reach the truth, which theoretically would sort out all of the guilty clients because they obviously wouldn't want the truth to be known. I don't know, I just thought it fit in this thread.
It doesn't make sense at all to me. Firstly, the goal of a defense attorney isn't to "reach the truth" -- is to defend the rights of someone, regardless of who they are. Even in a distorted world like the one that AA takes place, it wouldn't make any sense if Phoenix tried to attract only innocent people.
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I'd assumed Phoenix just gets more cases than is shown and picks and chooses based on the Magatama's reaction.
I'd also figured that after 2-4 he is VERY careful in when his questions with the Magatama when taking on a case. Seriously it's easy for him to trust someone when he knows somehow that there is a wavy line of innocence somewhere that just needs untangled and straightened out.
I'd also figured that after 2-4 he is VERY careful in when his questions with the Magatama when taking on a case. Seriously it's easy for him to trust someone when he knows somehow that there is a wavy line of innocence somewhere that just needs untangled and straightened out.
I don't think so. He stopped questioning clients with that thing by T&T, and he doesn't question any other clients in DD...
Oh wait. Besides Ron, Phoenix defended Maggey, Iris, and Maya in T&T. By DD, he defended a whale - who he did have doubts about at first but couldn't talk to her anyway - Athena's childhood friend, Apollo's friend's mentor/captain, and finally...
Spoiler: 5-5
You know what? Phoenix ain't a saint. He generally picks cases with people he's rather well associated with, except for Will Powers in AA, Maggey and Max in JFA (forced to take Enguarde's, so that doesn't count), and Ron in T&T. One to two complete strangers per year. That's not too bad. He also takes 3 - 5 cases per year. How does he manage to run a law firm? Who knows.
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Very well, at least I thought it was a nice theory. Maybe we should just assume that because this is a game where you play to win, it requires (moslty) innocent clients, realistic or not. But that isn't as much fun, is it?
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After all folks pay lawyers even when they lose right?
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Phoenix himself seems to have a problem getting his clients to pay even when he wins...
Well that's because Phoenix lacks balls, not because he's a gullible idiot.
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CatMuto wrote:
GoingforMiles wrote:
Phoenix himself seems to have a problem getting his clients to pay even when he wins...
Well that's because Phoenix lacks balls, not because he's a gullible idiot.
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Huh? Who said he was?
dangerousoffender wrote:
I personally like to think that Phoenix doesn't catch only cases involving murders... It would be very stupid, even for AA. How can a lawyer survive taking only four or three cases a year?
I want to think that as well, however, there's an awful lot in the game that indicates the only cases he actually works on are the one we play. At least in the beginning, but isn't it like that later on as well? In any case, it is stupid.
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dangerousoffender wrote:
I personally like to think that Phoenix doesn't catch only cases involving murders... It would be very stupid, even for AA. How can a lawyer survive taking only four or three cases a year?
I prefer to think that while Nick was unemployed, he earned so much through poker that he's actually damn rich. It explains the fresh new suit and ability to hire new attorneys for his firm.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
dangerousoffender wrote:
I personally like to think that Phoenix doesn't catch only cases involving murders... It would be very stupid, even for AA. How can a lawyer survive taking only four or three cases a year?
I prefer to think that while Nick was unemployed, he earned so much through poker that he's actually damn rich. It explains the fresh new suit and ability to hire new attorneys for his firm.
Yeah it makes a lot of sense, but what about before he was disbarred? And I don't think that many of his clients were able to pay a considerable amount of money besides Will Powers, Max Galactica and maybe Lana Skye.
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dangerousoffender wrote:
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
dangerousoffender wrote:
I personally like to think that Phoenix doesn't catch only cases involving murders... It would be very stupid, even for AA. How can a lawyer survive taking only four or three cases a year?
I prefer to think that while Nick was unemployed, he earned so much through poker that he's actually damn rich. It explains the fresh new suit and ability to hire new attorneys for his firm.
Yeah it makes a lot of sense, but what about before he was disbarred? And I don't think that many of his clients were able to pay a considerable amount of money besides Will Powers, Max Galactica and maybe Lana Skye.
Remember that he's always complaining about the rent and Maya's stomach? Either his clients don't pay him much, or he doesn't get that many clients in the first place. He got pretty famous by the end of his first year, being known as the "undefeated attorney", yet not many people paid attention to his offices. It supposedly got more attention by the second and third year, but there's not much difference overall, especially to his savings.
It wasn't until after he was disbarred that he could have gotten rich. Oh, the irony.
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dangerousoffender wrote:
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
dangerousoffender wrote:
I personally like to think that Phoenix doesn't catch only cases involving murders... It would be very stupid, even for AA. How can a lawyer survive taking only four or three cases a year?
I prefer to think that while Nick was unemployed, he earned so much through poker that he's actually damn rich. It explains the fresh new suit and ability to hire new attorneys for his firm.
Yeah it makes a lot of sense, but what about before he was disbarred? And I don't think that many of his clients were able to pay a considerable amount of money besides Will Powers, Max Galactica and maybe Lana Skye.
Perhaps Matt Engarde paid him something? Or he at least took it out of his accountant.
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As I understand it, in real life, a defense attorney would never ask their client if they are innocent or not. If they don't defend the client, they don't get paid. But if they defend a client and have the client testify that he/she is innocent when the defense knows he is really guilty, that's perjury. So in order to be compensated and be the defense attorney the client needs, they really do need to "believe in their client" in the sense that they need to act and handle themselves around their client in a way so as to never find out that their client is guilty. They need to act the whole time as if they believe their client is completely innocent, even if they may not actually trust them/ believe in their innocence 100% like Phoenix does.
Similarly, a real life prosecutor will try to prosecute most/all of the defendants brought in by the police, and won't change their stance unless evidence shows that the defendant is completely innocent. A prosecutor may have doubts about a defendant's guilt, but they can't just point it towards someone else like Edgeworth does or find the "truth" and dismiss a suspect based on it. It's their job to prosecute who the D.A.'s office tells them to and that doesn't change until they find evidence to the contrary.
The two systems are set up so that, since each side is arguing one side or the other, the truth will become apparent through the system.
In the Ace Attorney world, this was roughly how it was set up in the first game but over time both Phoenix and Edgeworth have become most interested in finding the "truth" - even if its based on hunches or even if it puts their client/the D.A.'s case in jeopardy, which in the real world would not happen - at least not while in court. This makes sense, because most players would have mixed feelings about prosecuting innocent people or defending guilty people, and it's excusable because of how over the top everything else in AA is, but it's not a very accurate portrayal of either of the professions.
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No defense attorney has to believe their client. There are lawyers out there whose clients tell them that they did commit a crime, yet the lawyer still tries to get them acquitted. While it wasn't about law, Mr Hutz hit the nail pretty well in one of the Simpsons' Episodes.
"There is the truth *shakes his head* and then there is the truth *smiles and nods*"
Or even Edgeworth in 1-2, telling Redd White to "confess his crime" referring to the wiretape, rather than the actual murder. Granted, he was the prosecutor, but still, it's playing the system. Although technically, that would not work, seeing as how being convicted for putting a wiretape is possible, but would not help in the murder itself. While it's the same case, he can still be convicted for the murder, since it is a different felony.
But once again, this is demanding real, proper, logical law inside the AA-verse.
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