I always wondered how Kristoph could be so cold and those locks so filled with sorrow if, in the end, his base motivation jealousy. And not even that. It was more like...

I have forged evidence, I paid 100,000 dollars for it, I have arranged for the death of Vera Misham (although the stamp failed), and I just lost my potential big break, and I'll be damned if everything goes to waste.

Or, I guess we can just accept that Kristoph is the epitome of pure evil regardless.

Maybe that's jealousy after all. But my, how / in that situation would change things! XD

I don't really know, but I find it hard to accept that the secrets he hold behind the locks are just so simple—— it was the motive of killing Shadi what Nick asked, not the forged evidence, so...just because of jealousy? I will be really disappointed if there is nothing more ...

Yup, I hear you all right. If Kristoph's ultimate motivations are just that, I'm rather disappointed as well and will have to write him off as even more mentally unstable. There's a point at which being evil and being mentally unstable just don't work with each other anymore, and I'm afraid Kristoph may have just reached it. Well, Krissi killed Shadi in order to keep his mouth shut, that's reasonably simple. But a bajillion Psyche Locks pretty much means that he's hiding the entire situation, not just why.

I would have loved to see under Psyche Lock pressure. He'd be smooth until the end.

The end of 4-4 felt so odd, what with the coincidental stamp licking and the fact that seven years of work wrapped up just like that. Everyone worked so hard for that day, odd to think about.

I agree...and the oddest thing is, he didn't really do whatever he could to keep the fact from leaking out, or he would had killed Klavier instead of Zak.
Well, let's just waiting for the GS5 to tell us everything.

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Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god----now I can't sleep.

I never thought about that, but that's true! That sheds a little more compassionate light on Krissi, doesn't it? A man like Kristoph, with all his style and poise and elegance, sometimes one forgets that he's a murderer with three deaths and a forgery under his belt.

Granted, Kristoph didn't kill Phoenix either, although all of them were under watch -- I suppose was still a reasonable man, wanting to not kill more than he'd have to. Everyone involved was still perpetually stalked, though. He had connections.

Yeah, I agree~Actually Krissoph used to be a total devil in my mind until I realized that. I guess Klavier didn't figure it out in the last trail of 4-4, or he wouldn't had hurt him by saying "we don't need you any more".*sigh*

I figure that Klavier would have still said that, Krissi doesn't seem to be made any less of a devil just because he didn't kill more people than he had to. It'd be a "Yeah, so you're an insane murderer, but you didn't kill me, so I guess you're good for something, but the law still doesn't need you" thing.

... Trying to humanize a murderer? Huh. Interesting how things work in the human mind, isn't it?

makes you think. He really does. I haven't thought about a character or a case in PW for so long in a very, very long time.

But Kristoph is his brother after all...I won't say something like that to my sibling unless I really hate him or her. Klavier didn't hate Kristoph even after he was found guilty. I believe he was in anger because he used to believe his brother but in the trail, Kritoph betrayed his trust.It was his emotion which made him say that.And emotion, you know, is some kind of thing which can easily changed by some facts like your brother still care about your life. I changed my mind to say he was not an utterly devil because I was thinking about Dahlia: she didn't care about Iris at all. As a matter of fact she tried to pin the crime on her sister. Compared with Dahlia, Kristoph was still a kind of human...that's my thought.

I can't say I like Kristoph as a person...but yes, I love him as an interesting character.=D Not only him, but also hobohodo, Polly and Klavier...they are really interesting from the angle of Psychology. I found it's kind of ironic that there are so many people saying characters of GS4 are simple and thin, but the fact is they are just hiding themselves too deep to be watched through at the first sight.

I agree that Klavier was really emotional during that trial, and yes people say a lot of things they might not completely mean out of anger. His spoiler sprite where his face is tilted upward seems to imply that he wished his brother wasn't guilty, and he was sad to see him broken down like that. I really wonder just how much Kristoph cares for his brother though. He was willing to use forged evidence against him in their trial against each other, before Kristoph got fired. As for not killing if he didn't have to, I would imagine that he wouldn't want to dirty his hands unless absolutely necessary. Kill enough, and it gets easier to get tracked down. I saw it as more of a practicality than compassion. In Kristoph's mind, maybe 7 years of paranoia was worth it? I dunno.

I thought Dahlia was trying to pin the crime on Maya? Anyway, I thought of her as not completely evil either. The only trace of humanity you see in her is her relationship with Iris. When she gave Phoenix the poison, she wanted to kill him right away, but Iris insisted on getting it back for her instead. And Dahlia LET her for 6 months. That's a lot of patience for someone whose innocence is at stake. She was taking a huge risk letting Iris handle the one item that would tie her to being a murderer. Iris also mentioned in the last bit of the trial that when she wanted to attempt to kill Phoenix, it was the first time she hadn't consulted her beforehand. I would think that means Dahlia holds Iris' opinion in high regard. She doesn't always follow it, but she seems to communicate with Iris a lot anyway.

Woohoo, addressing two people but only quoting a collective group!

Klavier was definitely hurt by that, I'm sure that anyone would be hurt in that situation with somebody so close to you being found as being, well, somebody completely different. I'm still not sure whether or not "The law doesn't need you" was emotionally charged or not; Klavier definitely came to a very cold persona in the end against his brother and said a lot of things most likely he didn't mean, but that seems to have a ring of truth to it.

And yes, practicality most likely got into a lot of Kristoph's opinion, one really can't be sure of how much he valued others, if at all. Kristoph was capable of keeping tabs on Klavier easily, made friends with Phoenix well enough (I suppose that's why his was the only dissenting opinion at Phoenix's judgement, to gain a "friend?") He's a very distant person to begin with, so his bonds with people are definitely questionable at best, on times even less than Dahlia simply because and didn't have that much interaction between themselves aside from plot-oriented devices. Seven years paranoia of keeping tabs paid off in the end, I suppose, what with finding Zak.

I suppose what was going to happen was bound to happen, either Kristoph saw Zak at the Borscht on that fateful night, or Phoenix would find another way to accuse Kristoph later on. It gives a horrible feeling of the inevitable. Case four feels entirely too coincidental to me, I feel as if sometimes the reactions weren't even normal at times, so it's difficult for me to actually look at it objectively.

I still can't believe it was all based on jealousy.

Oh, Dahlia. I just got explained to in another thread about Dahlia's more sympathetic characteristics, and must say that people have a viable point about her personality being more human thatn meets the eye. Which sort of contrasts with Krissi, from whom we've found pretty much minimal compassion (and minimal interaction). Her faintest drop of emotion certainly does appear, but it seems that her afterlife soul seems to be focused on one thing alone, that being Mia Fey. It's hard to remember the middle when there's such a fantastic scream at the end.

I see your point with Iris and feel as if it's viable.

My memory sort of fails me on Dahlia, it feels as if it has been a while. I almost forgot the entire Valerie storypoint. x.x There is a certain human aspect in those characters that have successive murders in the Phoenix Wright world. They're always the backed into the corner types after an initial murder. One sort of envelops oneself in a mess after that.

Hmm...actually the interesting fact is, killing Klavier was necessary. Kristoph killed Zak for two reasons: 1, Zak fired him and turned to Nick; 2, Zak could leak out the fact that Kristoph had time and motive to make forged evidence while Nick didn't. Nick was not necessary to be killed because no one would believe him=_= In the last trail of 4-4, Polly couldn't proof that it was Kristoph who took Zak's case first, and funny enough, he turned to Klavier for help. It was Klavier's testimony which made it clear who forged the notepage. A piece of decisive testimony, I will give him that. However, the trail was not for the forged evidence but Drew's death, so they still need a decisive evidence to proof Vera's innocent.

Dahlia was trying to pin the crime on Maya in the trail, yes, but far before that, when she was "killing" Maya, she dressed up like Iris and pretended to be her. She confessed it in the trail but I can't recall what she said exactly now. She didn't tell Iris the plan of killing Nick beforehand because she realized that Iris would stop her in any case. Six months waiting is a remarkable patience, yes, but that's all. Iris was a special person to Dahlia, but she still decided to kill Nick after 6 months. Kristoph didn't do that even he was living in fear and anxiousness for seven years(quoting Klavier's words). Dahlia was a professional crime and Kristoph wasn't.

By the logic presented, one can also argue that it was not necessary to kill Klavier because there wouldn't be enough evidence regardless. The amount of evidence required to incriminate a criminal in the court system of AJ seems crack. Kristoph at the very end seemed to care less about whether Vera was found guilty or not; of course, he was banking on her being found guilty, but his crazed speech seemed to be in self-interest about the lack of proof to incriminate him. Kristoph planned it out. Klavier would have pushed Kristoph under more scrutiny, but he thought that so long as there wasn't solid evidence, he was safe. Scrutinize all they might, he wouldn't be found out.

Until he could be found guilty under the current jury system which Phoenix crafted on account of 1) retribution and 2) the greater good (in that order). Hobo Phoenix was great, but it brings to light how they're both plotters.

Also, I figure that Kristoph never banked on being accused by Phoenix and thus found all cautionary measures unnecessary. When they were found necessary, Kristoph was, well, in prison.

I wish Kristoph had more development so we could see what he values. It could be, of course, himself all the way, but that's just hard to see.

Dahlia snapped. The fact that she was emotionally unfostered since childhood no doubt carries a great impact on that, but in the end, her crimes were heinous. I have a feeling that after being found guilty her first time, given the opportunity as a ghost, she lost any sense of humanity -- more like any human instincts went completely down the drain and she became obsessed with Mia.

I see your point, and agree with it, but the Dahlia sympathisers are starting to get to me too. Admittedly, nobody was jumping in front of Krissi brandishing evidence unknowingly like young!Phoenix was, and he killed the first person who may be capable of brandishing real evidence.

Wonder what would happen if Kristoph gets another shot at life under those Dahlia-like circumstances.

Polly gets up really early every day, and begin his steel record beside river~500 times!


At the end of the practicing...he gets exhausted...
Kid: That guy is odd...
Mom: Stop watching!Follow me!


After that, Polly goes back home and makes the breakfast~
Breakfast finished!


Morning call~
Good morning! Get up!
Trucy you are going to be late! And you,too, Mr.Wright~don't be a lazy bone~~~

Don't forget the lunch box!

Trucy is on her way to the school now, Polly tries to call Nick up again.
Get up~~
Good morning...


Turn about!!
1: hug,2:turn about(?!),3:...


Polly can't move at all in that kind of situation...so, have more sleeping~XD
Well...it might be fine...


They get up to have breakfast...no, lunch~
( So cute~)


At the same time, Trucy is having lunch at school. As a kid who was grown up with bread and fast food, she feels so happy to enjoy the lunch which is full of Polly Mom's love.


After lunch, Polly goes to the police department to get some documents. Being "attacked" by Klavier who is just passing by.
Oh it's Herr Forehead here~


It is almost evening when the work is finished, so Polly goes to buy the food for dinner.
(Still have fish on the list...)

Now go back home to cook dinner~
Dinner ready~?
Almost~


After dinner, Trucy has magic show to go, and Nick has his competitions.
+ Working time~


Polly is enjoying the hot-water shower~


Polly has his documents to work on, too.


When Nick and Trucy come back, Polly has fall asleep on the dinning room table. Should we wake him up?


Finally, Nick decides to sent the sleeping boy to the bedroom.^-^

Well, you are right about the Vera part, but the point is, it was Vera's trail, not Kristoph's. Kristoph used to be in danger of being arrested by Klavier's testimony, but he kill Shadi and sent himself into the jail before that happened. Kristoph could be found guilty once more if Klavier wanted, but just for forging evidence, not killing Drew. Kristoph was really hurt by the fact that both his pupil and younger brother cornered him in the trail (led by Nick, he knew. It was Nick's name he cried out when he broke down),but thinking from the angle of reality, he didn't lose anything more than his self pride.

You are definitely right. No one was born to be a devil, Dahlia was not, neither. But...well, what was done was done, she cheated, she killed(twice), and she even tried to kill someone after she died. So...*shrug*