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This is what would happen in the real world right? Maybe it would make the game less interesting as he'd be less of a "detective" and I'm not sure how controlling the witness would work, I guess you could have a variety of statements to choose from and if you choose the wrong one it's game over?
It just seems odd how the bad guy always brings the witnesses in, tells them to keep quiet or whatever, and I wondered why you couldnt do that yourself.
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Actually, you DO bring in witnesses at points...

...actually, they're more like desperation moves. Like Phoenix calling Maya to the stand (I think, I know there's a point in T&T that he brings in a witness because of a stalemate).

Plus, the prosecution I suppose has more authority (with the police) to actually interrogate witnesses and such. Phoenix doesn't have any actual authority, so a witness would have to be brought in and questioned on good faith on his part.
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*rat-ta-ta-ta* Sorry Mr Nick...

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Mia could bring her witnesses like young phoenix and terry... i remembered that :edgeworth: :accordion-head: :matt: :larry2: was on the stand too. (missed anyone?)
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Let me ask you this:

Has anyone seen Phoenix and Apollo making out and/or fucking like rabbits. If no, then that's why you can't have witnesses to Phoenix/Apollo.

But in all seriousness, I remember Phoenix calling a parrot to the stand.
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:D Oh yeah that's right, that part was very clever.
I meant Phoenix OR Apollo :D
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Phoenix doesnt actually ask Larry to be a witness though does he? He just begs to testify, that part was great though, when all seemed lost I was like "Holy crap!" when he turned up

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Spoiler: AA case 5
Phoenix called Gant to the stand, but apparently he needed the permission of the prosecution first. I think. Or something.
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Not quite :)

Spoilers 1:5

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Because at that point of the case Edgeworth was under investigation for evidence tampering the higher-ups had instructed the Judge not to allow him (Edgeworth) to call any more witnesses in case he had tampered and/or coached them. This should have meant that the case had to be abandoned, but instead Edgeworth proposed that the defence call future witnesses in the case since there was absolutely no chance that Phoenix could have tampered with any of them. The Judge agreed and this enabled the trial to continue. It was superbly quick thinking on Edgeworth's part and an amazing act of trust that I thought was very powerful in the storyline of that case.

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{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
But in all seriousness, I remember Phoenix calling a parrot to the stand.


Technically, no.
Spoiler: vague case 1-4 spoiler
The prosecution jokingly offers to call the parrot to the stand, and because the offer was made, the prosecutor is forced to honor it when Phoenix requests it.

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Phoenix can't call witnesses (with the exception of Gant, though that was a special circumstance) because it's not his job. It's up to the prosecution to do so. As for why it's not his job? Aside from what Byakko mentioned, probably to emphasise that the defense is essentially powerless in the court, compared to the prosecutor.

The attourney's client can take the stand, of course, but only after the prosecution requests such.
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Because if the defense could call witnesses they could tamper with testimonies and it would just make it too confusing and have witnesses saying the exact opposite things and other stupid things.
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I think the real question is... why can't the prosecution cross-examine?

I'm not sure if they mentioned it in PW1, or if I read it somewhere, but I seem to remember something about have the prosecution call witnesses and only have the defense cross examine was part of the "3 day trial act" where they shortened the trial process to have time to deal with all the trials.

It's kind of sad Phoenix's world has that much crime. :sadshoe:
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Edgeworth called Larry as a witness.
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That's a good point about "Why couldnt the prosecution cross-examine?"
I never thought of that!
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Most of the witnesses the prosecutors bring into court have already been coached by them yes? I'd say by then they've already cross-examined them in private.

And if the defense brings in witnesses of their own to cross-examine, the prosecution can always object to whatever they disagree with.

Oh well, since GS had a fictional court system I'd say they're free to make up their own rules.
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It's because they're slow on their asses, so the prosecutors get there first.
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ok heres the rule guys and gals

Prosecutors EXAMINE meaning they cant cross examine
Defense CROSS-EXAMINE
why do u think payne asks larry questions in the very first case? think people

On topic: Phoenix does call witnesses
Gant
Maya
Jake Marshall?
I consider the parrot as Phoenix's witness because he brought it up after Von Karma being sarcastic.
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Am I wrong to assume you all misunderstood the original poster's question?

I think he was asking why can't/haven't we been able to PLAY as the witness in Phoenix Wright and Apollo Justice.... not why can't Phoenix or Apollo call witnesses....
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O rly? wrote:
Am I wrong to assume you all misunderstood the original poster's question?

I think he was asking why can't/haven't we been able to PLAY as the witness in Phoenix Wright and Apollo Justice.... not why can't Phoenix or Apollo call witnesses....


A thread of 15 people all misunderstanding the OPer would a) make the OP a bad post or b) be very unlikely. :o He did say something like, a number of statements to choose from, and if it's the wrong one - game over. But technically, that would force the authors to make the script twentyfold as big, because you could lie or make up stuff etc etc etc, which would.. be very hard to realise, seeing as though you need a personal reason to do so (such as covering up for somebody or you pinning the guilt on another person), ergo yadda yadda. To be interesting enough (and we mostly deal with murders in PW) you'd have to be a very decisive witness too, otherwise why is there need for you to be on the witness stand? -> not where this thread has gone -> I think he meant why Apollo and Phoenix can't call witnesses as the defense.
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Ethed wrote:
O rly? wrote:
Am I wrong to assume you all misunderstood the original poster's question?

I think he was asking why can't/haven't we been able to PLAY as the witness in Phoenix Wright and Apollo Justice.... not why can't Phoenix or Apollo call witnesses....


A thread of 15 people all misunderstanding the OPer would a) make the OP a bad post or b) be very unlikely. :o He did say something like, a number of statements to choose from, and if it's the wrong one - game over. But technically, that would force the authors to make the script twentyfold as big, because you could lie or make up stuff etc etc etc, which would.. be very hard to realise, seeing as though you need a personal reason to do so (such as covering up for somebody or you pinning the guilt on another person), ergo yadda yadda. To be interesting enough (and we mostly deal with murders in PW) you'd have to be a very decisive witness too, otherwise why is there need for you to be on the witness stand? -> not where this thread has gone -> I think he meant why Apollo and Phoenix can't call witnesses as the defense.

I'm not saying that being the witness would be an easy thing to do, quite the contrary, the idea itself is interesting but the way they'd have to go about making it work simply wouldn't be worth the headaches and time it would take to coem up with something halfway decent.

As for what the topic creator said, the way I interpretted it before I read anyone's responses was he was asking why can't we play as the witness(es). But even after reading all the responses, I still think we misunderstood what he was asking. He wasn't particularly clear in what he said either.
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I read it as asking why we can't call witnesses and control what they testify about and what they say in that testimony, not control THEM per se. I dunno, you'd have to ask them.
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Very sorry if I was unclear (I guess I was). With the "statements to choose from" thing I did actually mean "Why can't we play as the witness?", choosing what they say/testify about. I guess we sort of do when we press statements in court and such.
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Playing as the witness would be kind of weird. To do that we'd have to witness the murder actually happen and...what would be the point of the game?
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Oftentimes the murder looks different from what actually happened, though...which is part of the reason why witnesses are inconsistant, because they put their thoughts into conjecture, which Phoenix then calls them on.

I think that in the game the prosecutors do not examine their witnesses very much at all...or cross-examine defense witnesses, simply to keep up the tension in the defenses side. Feeling like you have to prove something in every cross-examination is part of what keeps the game interesting. If it switched to the prosecutors side then it would be like getting a break, because it would be mostly just text reading...at which point people would probably be more willing to put the game down.
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Good point.
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Ooh, alrighty, my apologies then :o I gotta say though- viewing (post-trial) the witnesses' pov would be really interesting. When I played the cases for the first time, the testimonies weren't 100% transparent to me anymore. Mid-trial there'd be little point, I suppose.. often there are a lot of twists anyway and a testimony's importance isn't final from when it's first made.
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Ooh, alrighty, my apologies then :o I gotta say though- viewing (post-trial) the witnesses' pov would be really interesting. When I played the cases for the first time, the testimonies weren't 100% transparent to me anymore. Mid-trial there'd be little point, I suppose.. often there are a lot of twists anyway and a testimony's importance isn't final from when it's first made.


That would be really interesting, I mean pre trial we get the killer's POV, so when its post trial why can't we have the witnesses/defendants POV?
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i think the reason the defence can't call witnesses is because in a real court room, it is meant to be the prosecution against the defendant. as a person of no authoritative power in the law system, the defendant can't call witnesses...

not sure if it's true or not though, just my idea...
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The defense CAN call witnesses, it just doesn't often happen.
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While you were playing as Edgeworth and he was therefore serving as the defense attorney, he called Larry as a witness on his own.
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ummm i think that's just the game's justice system
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