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VIRGINS:

-she's still 9....
:minuki:

-still too young

:yuusaku:
-I'll bet he fucks like a tiger.

So far, there's no bi characters. Or is there?

Naruhodou wrote:

So far, there's no bi characters. Or is there?

I have my suspicions about Diego.

Bikini: Virgin. Isolated in the mountains, not to mention physicality… Virgin.

Ese, I haven't been to the NORTHERN US, let alone the southern!

She's a nun, and most nuns probably haven't had sex. I can imagine that Phoenix tried with her, but she probably didn't let him get very far. At the very least they got to second or third base.

I suppose I shouldn't spoil the fun by pointing out that the people you think are least probable to have done something in life, more than likely have.

Virgin at the beginning, but at the end of TaT, not anymore.

She had Phoenix, so not virgin.

Szabu wrote:

Virgin at the beginning, but at the end of TaT, not anymore.

I'm curious...what makes you think this? :\

Szabu wrote:

She had Phoenix, so not virgin.

Anyone who can say something as naive as "My Dollie doesn't even poop!" has not been having sex with that person. Sex is messy.

(Witty Name Here) wrote:

Szabu wrote:

Virgin at the beginning, but at the end of TaT, not anymore.

I'm curious...what makes you think this? :\

My obsession with the Phoenix x Maya pairing :kissy:

Anyway, 3-5 made the pairing pretty damn obvious for me, along with the random "I'll do this and that after the case" hints before.
I mean, they are in love, they live together... who wouldn't do it?
In the first game, they clearly didn't have sex, but the time they spent away from each other made them realize how much they miss and love each other.
In the second game, I can see them in a romantic relationship, however, when Pearls mentioned the love between them, they went "Pearly, it's nothing like..."
However, in Trials and Tribulations, as I recall they just went all red without denying it.
In 3-3 don't forget how fast Maya channeled Mia when she realized that Kudo is a perv... For me it's evidence enough that she is familiar with the concept.
In TaT, I can't explain so well (I need to replay it), but the way Maya talked to Phoenix was different than before (especially before 2-2). That way different... Maybe I'm just imagining things. But her reaction to Adrian and Iris make much more sense if something like that happened between her and Nick.
Maybe later I come up with a better evidence list, but for now let's just say that in my headcanon, she lost her virginity with Phoenix some days after case 2-4.
You know Pearls made a reservation for the two of them in Gatewater Hotel, and what better time to express their feelings than after such a case. Note that Maya didn't know who Adrian was, so probably, when they were talking about the case, when Phoenix got to the part with her feelings towards Maya... let's just say they had something better to do.

I never said it's canon. Simply this is how I interpreted the scenes. But I do have to replay TaT...
But it's not less canon than Phoenix and Edgeworth being gay.

But Maya is not immature at all.
Maybe she acts like it, but I know better than anyone (well, maybe not anyone) that such behavior doesn't contradict interest in sex.

Homophobia is just not cool. And neither is having pairing debate seep into every single thread. *sigh*

TRUTH.

Seriously, if you have a problem with a pairing or whatever, that's fine. BUT BRINGING IT UP IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD is ridiculous. Please Szabu, just STOP with the hate. I'm personally getting tired of the PxE bashing, as I am sure that some other people are as well.

As for the "My Dollie doesn't poop!" line proving that Nick and Iris didn't sleep together, well, I'm not sure that that necessarily is the logical conclusion. I mean, there are people who will have sex with their significant other but be reluctant to take a crap/fart around them for fear that it "kills the romance". So theoretically, Iris could've been just this sort of person and Feenie, being as lovably dense as he was at that point in his life, took her silent refusal to do these things in her presence all too literally. XD (In fact, the very idea amuses me to no end, so I'm biased towards it for just that reason.)

Nah, I was just saying that if Phoenix is naive enough to believe she doesn't perform a normal bodily function, it's doubtful he's ever dealt with the mess that is sex. Sweat and other fluids would probably dispel the illusion that she is too perfect for the normal messy things that come with life.

Anyway, other than that, I don't think Iris would have wanted sex, or even thought about it, and while Feenie probably would have, I feel like Iris would have been totally oblivious to his attempts to ask, and he'd be too shy and sweet to push or even ask directly.

Author:	Idort [ Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:10 pm ]
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messina wrote: VIRGINS: -she's still 9.... -still too young lol no you dont

Author:	Zetto San [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:36 am ]
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-I'll bet he fucks like a tiger.

Author:	xylophone220 [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:42 am ]
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Zetto San wrote: :yuusaku: -I'll bet he fucks like a tiger. And...screams.

Author:	KingMobUK [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:39 am ]
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Naruhodou wrote: So far, there's no bi characters. Or is there? I have my suspicions about Diego.

Author:	CarChaseCityMan [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:54 am ]
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KingMobUK wrote: Naruhodou wrote: So far, there's no bi characters. Or is there? I have my suspicions about Diego. Me too. Was it JUST Mia?

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Author:	skittles1029 [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:28 pm ]
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bi - iris AND edgey - so no virgin gay - nope unfortunately, not a virgin no doubt she's intact rhetorical no way hmm, maybe she "taught" Adrian some things uh uh, way too sexy, and I think he's competely straight; probably hits up stripper bars yeah right, "blackmailing" lana skye? you know what that means ewww... slut nope, just because we don't know enough about him no, see above, and I think she and Neil did some "uh uh uhing" too sexy probably paid a whore, and was VERY specific while he did it EWWWWW.... hmmm, I think bi, but maybe she did stuff with fransiska. I don't think matt and juan were for her. awww, prior to the accident, I think he got booty everynight no way she's pure yet again, we know he's not, barf hmmm, maybe not. no way, sexiness. unfortunately, not a virgin I doubt it gross, and they all have hemorrhoids now nope definitely virgin no oooh, are you kidding? every night they do the wild monkey dance, sometimes godot threesomes NO WAY. way too innocent and high strung. VIRGIN. nope probably not, wasn't pretty though, probably like something straight out of superbad. immature. virgin, might even be gay. all the programmers have an orgy with her every night. she's a robot, and last longer than the energizer bunny. nope, with don tigre everyday. nope, spends all his time fapping to fan fics so way. you see the look she gives edgey? she knows what she likes. hot. no way she's pure. she's so sexy they call her back from the dead to do dirty deeds. no way in AA, virgin, but after she comes back, I think not a virgin. nope yeah right hmm, I think he's way to high strung to even bother with stuff like that eww, as much as I hate this, I don't think he's a virgin virgin yall. she just screams "VIRGINITY" nope god I would love to see her and ron in bed. Or better yet, be in the middle.

Author:	Wrestlemania [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:07 pm ]
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FINISHED!!! I shall now post all PW characters (At least, the important ones, so no Franziska. gets whipped OW! FINE! FINE!!!) I'd say that he's a virgin. Too much of a goody-two-shoes to be anything else IMO. Virgin, since he denies when Gumshoe states that he thought that he'd have plenty of girlfriends who "he sent to dumpsville" when he was younger. Also, I don't think romantic relationships were allowed in the von Karma household, and he was pretty much interested solely in his work as a Prosecutor when he fully became one. has a grandchild, hence, obviously not a virgin. Wouldn't as long as Phoenix was flying over her (yeah, bad pun, I know). Virgin. Virgin. I think this is obvious, but in case people can't get the idea of Gant or Hotti... Virgin. Has Franziska, and another daughter, who has her OWN child. Obviously, not a virgin. Too much of an aggressor to not be a virgin. I doubt anyone would even TRY to get into a romantic relationship with her (Except Larry, but he doesn't count), so..... Virgin! & Diego = Virgin (I know, I know, he was Mia's boyfriend, but I wonder, for how LONG was he her boyfriend? He died, like, 4 MONTHS after Mia's first case, and I don't think he was dating her at that point in time... Godot is a virgin as well, although I don't have much of a reason for thinking that, other than that he wouldn't care for romance after losing Mia. Virgin. Too interested in Maggey Byrde to go after other women, who's too oblivious to TAKE A FREAKIN' HINT!!! Virgin, although it wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't one, honestly... Virgin now, Virgin previously, Virgin forever, 'nuff said. Not a virgin, as apparently she has a child (probably the child of whoever's ring she has on her finger). ...... this one could go either way, to be perfectly honest. We know VERY little about his past, other than that he's the head of Grossberg & Co. Law Offices. However, if I'd have to pick?..... Virgin. She's too oblivious to be able to figure out that someone would be hitting on her. And the ONLY relationship she's spoken of having in the past, ended on... not-so-good terms. Virgin. Edit: Has a child. Not a virgin. Cindy Stone: I wonder what kinds of "gifts" she accepted from others? Not a Virgin. Virgin. Creepy as hell, purely a thief, and creepy as hell. Not a virgin, for the same reason as Gant. However, I assume that in HIS case, it was probably with April May (I don't think anyone else could stand this guy!) I agree, ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME??? (at this point, you can see how thorough I'm being) He's a virgin. At least, during THIS case he is. He's too involved in his own ideas of making the Gatewater Hotel succeed to be involved in any official romantic relationships, although MAAAYBE he'd be involved in something once April May was out of prison. Virgin as well, despite being a HUGE action star. Sure, he's a star, but then again, he's hideous (I'm not going to beat around the bush with that comment!)... although he could always have cosplay sex maybe... Just a thought!!!........ DON'T JUDGE MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not a virgin. Not ONLY is he a huge action star, but with a name like "Jack Hammer", he was probably in the adult film industry at some point. He's a director of a popular Children's show, as well as TWO "sequels" of it...... still, he's the l33t v1rg1n. Virgin. Can't see any other possibility. I don't think she would have the power Gant and Redd have in order to get someone. HOWEVER... her previous boyfriend, "Manuel", was with her at one point, but again, I don't think it was platonic. Too young, so I'll say virgin. It's pretty obvious I wouldn't HAVE to say that though. Robert Hammond: Not too sure, but if he's as selfish as the game makes him seem, then definitely, he'd be a virgin. He had Polly, but I don't think he ever did anything with her. Virgin. Edgeworth’s father. Not a virgin. Wow. ALREADY her, huh? Well... errrr...... I think she'd have been called to Gant's office at least ONCE for a "discussion" of sorts... Not a virgin. Virgin, at the very LEAST, until she spent some time in Europe. Other than that, too young, with an over-protective sister. Not a virgin. Too much power, hence, he probably did it at LEAST once, maybe twice... not going to say "With Lana" though, although it sure seems likely! (I already said "once", but no more than that) Not too sure, but he was with Angel Starr STRICTLY to help solve the mystery behind the SL-9 incident. So.... errr..... Virgin. She got a lot of pretty, pretty boys, that she calls friends (Yes, a Hotel California line). Is she a virgin?.... Nah, I don't think so. Too many boyfriends for her to STILL be a virgin. Virgin, see Larry Butz. Neil Marshall: A young prosecutor showing promise. His brother is probably watching him closely to make sure he doesn't mess anything up. Maybe too closely... Virgin. Virgin. I don't have much of an argument, other than someone like him would prefer to remain secluded, and therefore, not have any relationships. He's a good man (groans in annoyance), and I think that he would make sure that he remained solely focused on his work. Virgin. Lets see..... Wow! All of PW:AA is complete! Now for "level 2". Dustin Prince: Apparently he was a very nice guy, and an active member of the police force. Me being the optimist I am, I'll say "Virgin", since to our knowledge, he's only been in ONE relationship, with Maggey Byrde. A self-centered con-artist who believes he's better than everybody else on the face of the earth? Virgin, and it'd surprise me if ANYONE would say otherwise. She has Pearl, and Dahlia, and Iris (until 3-5, then she just has 2! Aha aha aha aha aha). Not a virgin (And it's a mistake that such a claim is true, IMO) Lemme think this over... I doubt she would get into a relationship, since she would be too focused on hiding her identity from others. Prior to the "incident"? I have no clue. A nurse working at Grey's clinic, with an over-commanding boss? I don't think this is another Gant/Lana situation. Virgin. Ini Miney: the dead one... Too much of an airhead. Granted, she's a college student, but I still say... Virgin. He’s way too commanding, he is too easily irritated… Virgin. For the love of the lord above, Virgin, I pray that he is a virgin… Country bumpkin, sure, but a major entertainer in the PW world… however, he wouldn’t go with someone else when he’s as committed as he is to Regina… Virgin. Too young. Virgin. Russell Berry: He has a daughter. Obviously, Not a Virgin. He has a daughter as well, so he’s also Not a Virgin. He’s a virgin. He’d be too nervous around other women without Trilo, and Trilo would probably scare them off! Before he was an acrobat, he was waaaay too young to have any sexual relationships, and after that, he was very protective of his brother. Virgin. Bat: See Acro for the reason I say… Virgin. A player of the game like him rarely loses. Not a virgin. Honestly? She’s a virgin. She was never with Juan, and I stand firmly behind that point. Honestly, I think he was very caring about Celeste Inpax, and before that, he was very competitive as well. However… I think that unless he was with Celeste BEFORE Matt’s “revelation”, than the events after would’ve been minor compared to what transpired. Not a Virgin. Celeste Inpax: I think she was with Corrida. Not a Virgin. One of the classic rules of any proper assassin: Never develop a personal relationship. Virgin. And now… T&T! Lemme think. Hmm… Honestly, it could go either way with her, but I think that she wouldn’t need to use any more than her charms to make men do her bidding. Virgin. He may be a top student, with a bright future, but I don’t think he was ever in a personal relationship. The only one I could recall, was with Dahlia, and I already explained her situation. Virgin. Her and Ron have a great relationship. Despite the lack of wedding rings, I don’t think she would go with just any man. HOWEVER... I also don’t think she and Ron have, as it’s said, “consummated” the marriage. Virgin. He’s a virgin. Sorry, it’s without any argument. He’s waaay too self-centered. No woman would even WANT to be with this literal peckerhead! VIRGIN! Kane Bullard: Head of a ruthless security firm? He has tones of power, but… Virgin, simply due to his ego. … Virgin. I’m not going into details, dammit! He has grandchildren. He’s not a virgin. Ah, quite the wildcard. A manipulator, but also not the most social person. He truly could go either way. However, I doubt that he would take an interest in women, with his current goals in mind and all… Virgin. Virgin. Even if you don’t take into account the whole “My father is a mob boss” aspect, OR the “I’m creepy, hee hee hee…” aspect, I’m sorry, I can’t imagine her with ANY guy. Bruno Cadaverini: Viola is his granddaughter, so obviously, he’s not a virgin. He is an excessive gambler, and a tech nerd… yeah… he’s a virgin. Virgin as well. She’s just… weird. Even if you take out the whole “In love with a 14 year old” aspect, I can’t see him with a woman. And I’m NOT making a prison joke!!! Virgin, and no, I’m NOT sorry. Valerie Hawthorne: … you know what? It’s hard to judge her situation. Originally, I doubt she was sexually active when she was 18, discussing the plans for the crime, with Dahlia. She was then constantly keeping tabs on Dahlia, knowing her moves, etc. I think she’s a virgin, though… but I have no evidence to back this up. Misty Fey: No question. Not a virgin. Bikini: Virgin. Isolated in the mountains, not to mention physicality… Virgin. She’s also a virgin. I can’t imagine any other possibility for her.

Author:	lalalei2001 [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:19 pm ]
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You forgot Winston Payne.

Author:	Wrestlemania [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:30 pm ]
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Granted, I think he's about as useful as Iris, but I added her so... Fix'd.

Author:	lalalei2001 [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:34 pm ]
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Thanks :)

Author:	Wrestlemania [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:36 pm ]
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No prob. (goes back to wondering why he keeps attacking Iris' character so darn much)

Author:	Elriel [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:49 pm ]
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You also forgot Mia... and seriously, I think that most of the characters AREN'T virgins, except the youngest ones and Iris, Bikini, Franziska, Maya, Edgeworth, Terry, Hotti, Sal, Viola, Lisa, Ben, Acro, Bat, Will and Gumshoe.

Author:	PoisonInkbottle [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:29 pm ]
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I suppose I shouldn't spoil the fun by pointing out that the people you think are least probable to have done something in life, more than likely have. In any case, I shall throw my two cents in on this particular thing: Quote: Bikini: Virgin. Isolated in the mountains, not to mention physicality… Virgin. Oh, hon. You've really never been down in the southern states of the US, have you? Men'd be all over that like Godot on a Folger's factory.

Author:	Wrestlemania [ Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:57 am ]
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Ese, I haven't been to the NORTHERN US, let alone the southern! Also, I added Mia... but without an explanation.

Author:	Pearl the Barrister [ Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:57 am ]
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Not a virgin (maybe... who knows?!?!) (fathered 1,000,000,000 kittens!) (just a hunch...) (some girl back on the farm... enough said...) (ah, the scent of fresh lemon) ANYONE who is said to have had kids in CANON! Virgin EVERYONE ELSE... including :penny: (what kind of girl do you think I am ?!?!) and (so far.... OT3... nuff said....) (come on, ladies... would YOU let him NEAR you?) and obviously and Cody (YES, I'm lazy...)

Author:	Oos [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:11 pm ]
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How is Richard Wellington a virgin. XD Chicks dig metrosexuals and gay guys, trust me I know~ 8D Look at his demeanor in-game. He's totally a slut. Whether or not his whole omg-education-fancy-cars-fancy-clothes-lol thing is true or not... you can tell O_O Girls fall head over heels for guys in fancy gay-looking clothes. Look at all the Edgeworth fans. XD

Author:	PoisonInkbottle [ Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:56 pm ]
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Wrestlemania wrote: Ese, I haven't been to the NORTHERN US, let alone the southern! Fair enough! Heh. Love the new icon, by the way.

Author:	PxE [ Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:11 pm ]
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Lets see: Actually,I'm going to go with other people and say he isn't.He seems the type to have kids. I would say he is,even with Dahlia(he would have been too immature anyway) Spoiler: T&T? He states that his grandchildren threw him a party during the credits,so sadly,this guy reproduced kids.Not a virgin Puh-lease.Not a virgin in the slightest. If he ever did the deed,he would have flattened the poor soul and therefore be charged with manslaughter.So,yes. Reviving old topics is fuuun.:D

Author:	Lunaria42 [ Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:48 pm ]
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Not Virgins I think he his the type of guy that uses people, so I can imagine him using sex in the same way. He's handsome, rich, and can lay on the charm so it wouldn't be hard for him to get a partner He's a rockstar and clearly wants the attention of the ladies. If he hasn't slept with a couple of groupies in his younger years I'd be very surprised. Now that he is a little older he probably practices safer sex, but still seeks the occasional lay (why else does he flirt with Ema?) Now that she's older, she probably has had sex. Whether it was one time with Klavier (could explain why she can't stand him) or some random guy from college, we'll never know. I don't think she's getting it regularly because she is very wound up. Daryan probably is still the type that will sleep with groupies (especially the ones Klavier refuses). The man probably has had a few cases of STDs in his history (hopefully the treatable kind). Like Kristoph, he is a suave guy. Edgeworth doesn't seem like the type (especially pre GS) to want a relationship, but I'm sure he wouldn't deny himself meaningless sex. Yeah, he did say he was clueless about Gumshoe's "frothing female masses" quote, but he could have just been deniying the truth (even to himself). I can imagine him having had sex at least once. Probably some high school girlfriend or some fling at a party that he was dragged to by Larry. Virgins She's a nun, and most nuns probably haven't had sex. I can imagine that Phoenix tried with her, but she probably didn't let him get very far. At the very least they got to second or third base. Sex isn't something that she probably has had access too. She lives in a village populated by women. She woudn't consider Phoenix a viable option either because their relationship is not romantic. Maya might be the type to think about sex (she did think Edgeworth was handsome), but doesn't have the means or patience to get it. Gumshoe is a big, lovable teddy bear and most woman probably wouldn't see him as anything but a friend. The only time he will most likely have sex is when he gets married She seems like the type to hold on to the ideal of waiting until marriage. That's all I feel like covering for now.

Author:	icer [ Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:20 pm ]
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Lunaria42 wrote: She's a nun, and most nuns probably haven't had sex. I can imagine that Phoenix tried with her, but she probably didn't let him get very far. At the very least they got to second or third base. She'd probably try to get the necklace back at some point, and that would be the end of that. Also "My little Dollie doesn't poop!". Kind of suggests he's got an irrationally idealised impression... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine_maiden "Theoretically, miko were required to be virgins, however, exceptions have historically been made when one is imbued with a strong character."

Author:	Felice [ Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:47 pm ]
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PoisonInkbottle wrote: I suppose I shouldn't spoil the fun by pointing out that the people you think are least probable to have done something in life, more than likely have. This. I think it also bears pointing out that not only does being a jerk not prevent people from getting laid, but people also don't necessarily have to be in serious relationships to do it, either. XD Basically, I think it's entirely possible than any of the characters - leaving aside the children, like Pearl and Cody - have gotten some at one point or another.

Author:	Szabu [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:05 pm ]
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Not virgin, he had Iris, then Mia, then Maya. By the age of 24, I really don't think he's virgin. He is just so sexy one girl must have seduced him. He had grandchildren, so not virgin. Virgin at the beginning, but at the end of TaT, not anymore. Virgin obviously. Not virgin, ha had Franny. I'm not sure. She focuses much on her career as prosecutor and perfection, but the random hints in 2-3 and 3-5 make me think that she is into that whippy thing, so she is probably not virgin. Not virgin, he had Mia. Not virgin, she had Diego, then Phoenix. Not virgin, he had April. He raped far too many people to be a virgin :D She is too young and doesn't show any kind of interest in romantic relationships and sex. Virgin. I'd say he is not a virgin. I can't really say why, but I know his type. Not virgin for sure. Rock star with obsessed fangirls? No way he is a virgin. Not virgin, obviously. I'm quite sure she is not virgin. Cold hearted female criminals use seduction a lot. She had Phoenix, so not virgin. He's the "clumsy little cute boy" and some girls love this type. Not virgin. She's totally virgin. Virgin. He's too afraid to have sex without Trilo, and girls find that creepy.

Author:	(Witty Name Here) [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:16 pm ]
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Szabu wrote: Virgin at the beginning, but at the end of TaT, not anymore. I'm curious...what makes you think this? :\

Author:	Miss Prince [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:33 pm ]
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Szabu wrote: She had Phoenix, so not virgin. Anyone who can say something as naive as "My Dollie doesn't even poop!" has not been having sex with that person. Sex is messy.

Author:	Szabu [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:46 pm ]
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(Witty Name Here) wrote: Szabu wrote: Virgin at the beginning, but at the end of TaT, not anymore. I'm curious...what makes you think this? :\ My obsession with the Phoenix x Maya pairing Anyway, 3-5 made the pairing pretty damn obvious for me, along with the random "I'll do this and that after the case" hints before. I mean, they are in love, they live together... who wouldn't do it? In the first game, they clearly didn't have sex, but the time they spent away from each other made them realize how much they miss and love each other. In the second game, I can see them in a romantic relationship, however, when Pearls mentioned the love between them, they went "Pearly, it's nothing like..." However, in Trials and Tribulations, as I recall they just went all red without denying it. In 3-3 don't forget how fast Maya channeled Mia when she realized that Kudo is a perv... For me it's evidence enough that she is familiar with the concept. In TaT, I can't explain so well (I need to replay it), but the way Maya talked to Phoenix was different than before (especially before 2-2). That way different... Maybe I'm just imagining things. But her reaction to Adrian and Iris make much more sense if something like that happened between her and Nick. Maybe later I come up with a better evidence list, but for now let's just say that in my headcanon, she lost her virginity with Phoenix some days after case 2-4. You know Pearls made a reservation for the two of them in Gatewater Hotel, and what better time to express their feelings than after such a case. Note that Maya didn't know who Adrian was, so probably, when they were talking about the case, when Phoenix got to the part with her feelings towards Maya... let's just say they had something better to do.

Author:	Szabu [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:47 pm ]
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Miss Prince wrote: Szabu wrote: She had Phoenix, so not virgin. Anyone who can say something as naive as "My Dollie doesn't even poop!" has not been having sex with that person. Sex is messy. I wouldn't be sure of this...

Author:	Szabu [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:56 pm ]
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I never said it's canon. Simply this is how I interpreted the scenes. But I do have to replay TaT... But it's not less canon than Phoenix and Edgeworth being gay. But Maya is not immature at all. Maybe she acts like it, but I know better than anyone (well, maybe not anyone) that such behavior doesn't contradict interest in sex.

Author:	(Witty Name Here) [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:01 am ]
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Szabu wrote: I never said it's canon. Simply this is how I interpreted the scenes. But I do have to replay TaT... But it's not less canon than Phoenix and Edgeworth being gay. But Maya is not immature at all. Maybe she acts like it, but I know better than anyone (well, maybe not anyone) that such behavior doesn't contradict interest in sex. Never said Maya was immature as a person. I myself am not an immature person, but I'm not emotionally mature enough to handle the subject of sex. Maya, while she is mature, may not be ready to give something very precious away at the tender age of eighteen (which is pretty young in terms of sex, actually), especially in her state of mind. I suppose it's just me not being able to see Phoenix and Maya in a romantic or sexual relationship, but I really think Maya would have to be older in order to be emotionally ready for something like that. I notice that you have a personal vendetta against PxE. What did it ever do to you to make you hate it that strongly? I'm not a shipper myself but even I don't hate a pairing as much as that.

Author:	Szabu [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:38 pm ]
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O-oh it's getting personal. On a side note, the last week I've seen 2 fanworks with the PxE pairing, a video and a comic, which, despite how I disagree with the idea, were clever and funny. There hasn't been any kissing / sex / other disgusting (for me) scenes. Why I hate Phoenix x Edgeworth I think I already expressed in another topic. Other than it being everywhere (and I mean EVERYWHERE - when I simply search for "Miles Edgeworth" on deviantart, 1/5 of the pics are yaoi), and being disgusting (for me), I really hate how people say "it's canon". While there is a HUGE evidence list for Phoenix x Maya, and some for Phoenix x Iris (well, Iris really didn't appear too much, so it's no surprise), I've NEVER EVER seen any base of shipping the pairing other than "they are friends" and "they are hot together". They are hot together, hmm... Maya and Franziska are pretty damn hot together, too, but I still don't ship them, because it doesn't make sense (also it contraditcts my OTP). But what really pisses me off is when people think that 2 men can't have a deep, trusting friendship without being gay. Wow, then they'd say that I'm gay, too, just because I have a childhood friend with a backstory (I mean, a lot of fun, talking, helping each other when in need, etc.), while I have a girlfriend? Have you seen Rocky 3? There is a scene, when Apollo and Rocky hug each other, after some good and successful event... (I don't remember when exactly, I haven't seen it in a while). And then, a lot of stupid idiots say "OMG GAYZ00RZ", while they both have a wife who they love (and Apollo has children too, I'm not sure when Rocky's son was born). And it pissed me off a lot. The Phoenix x Edgeworth shipping really reminds me of this case. Last time I had arguments like "Phoenix had a girlfriend - Iris - and shows interest in women - Mia, Maya, April, Regina and Désirée", but some say it means nothing because "even if you had a lot of romantic/sexual relationships with the other gender, and even if you were totally disgusted when a gay tried to flirt with you (Jean in 3-3 did show interest in Phoenix, and he was like "My eyes!", etc., you know that... I'm entirely sure that this was intentional from the creators), you still can't know for sure if you are gay or not"... Then nobody can ever be sure? (Except for bisexuals, since once they were with both genders, there isn't any other options.) Also, last time I said that "I hate it because Phoenix x Edgey fans hate Maya and Iris". Well, quite a few people said that this is not true, so I might as well take this statement back (even though it's pretty clear that the percentage of the Maya/Iris haters amongst the PxE shippers is a lot higher than amongst other people). In the end, I guess it comes down to 3 things. - I am a bit homophobic. Yeah, I don't have problems with people being gay, but I hate seeing it. And once, it happened to me that a gay boy said that he is in love with me and wanted me to become his lover. I wasn't happy, I tell you... - I do have a friendship like Phoenix and Edgeworth have, in real life. - I can really relate to and identify with Phoenix.

Author:	Felice [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Which characters are and aren't virgins?
Homophobia is just not cool. And neither is having pairing debate seep into every single thread. sigh

Author:	MikeMeekinsFan [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Which characters are and aren't virgins?
Too hot to be a virgin! He lost it, to me! shot No, he's a virgin, poor Mike. No girl loves him. ;_; Probably encounters hookers daily. Not much of a romancy guy. He might not be a virgin. Virgin. Not a virgin. One word, Groupies. Virgin. He screams virgin. Not a virgin. He's the type who looks for danger and excitment. Sex is just child's play to him.

Author:	crouton [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Which characters are and aren't virgins?
Felice wrote: Homophobia is just not cool. And neither is having pairing debate seep into every single thread. sigh TRUTH. Seriously, if you have a problem with a pairing or whatever, that's fine. BUT BRINGING IT UP IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD is ridiculous. Please Szabu, just STOP with the hate. I'm personally getting tired of the PxE bashing, as I am sure that some other people are as well.

Author:	Lunaria42 [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Which characters are and aren't virgins?
crouton wrote: TRUTH. Seriously, if you have a problem with a pairing or whatever, that's fine. BUT BRINGING IT UP IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD is ridiculous. Please Szabu, just STOP with the hate. I'm personally getting tired of the PxE bashing, as I am sure that some other people are as well. I'm not even that huge of a PxE fan and I think it is getting annoying. Let's face it, the only real canon couple is Ron/Desiree because its stated in the game that they're married. Don't bash another person's ship, OTP, OT3, or whatever because you are squicked out by it or think you have canon evidence that proves your ships are better. That's being said I don't think Redd White or April May are virgins. They probably have fooled around at the office if you believe secretary and boss stereotypes.

Author:	Felice [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Which characters are and aren't virgins?
Yeah, I myself am not even really a PxE fan and I'm getting sick of it. Enough already! Back on topic, I agree, re: Redd and April. It always looked to me like they were screwing. XD As for the "My Dollie doesn't poop!" line proving that Nick and Iris didn't sleep together, well, I'm not sure that that necessarily is the logical conclusion. I mean, there are people who will have sex with their significant other but be reluctant to take a crap/fart around them for fear that it "kills the romance". So theoretically, Iris could've been just this sort of person and Feenie, being as lovably dense as he was at that point in his life, took her silent refusal to do these things in her presence all too literally. XD (In fact, the very idea amuses me to no end, so I'm biased towards it for just that reason.) Also, even if - IF - Diego and Mia never got that far in their relationship, it doesn't mean that either one was a virgin. It's highly likely that they had romantic relationships prior to getting together, and I especially don't doubt that Diego was able to pick up women beforehand. XD This goes for a lot of the characters we see in the series, really - just because they don't mention their personal histories in that area, doesn't mean they don't have them. ^^

Author:	Mechashadow [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:00 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Which characters are and aren't virgins?
Y'know contrary to popular suggestion..Gumshoe keeps bringing up this girl that when he was 16 in case 1-5 when you present Starr's photo and refuse to finish up the Jar in Gant's organticular office..So I think he's not actually..

Author:	valentinite [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Which characters are and aren't virgins?
I think I just broke a few people's brains over on another forum when I mentioned that I didn't think Brushel was a virgin. Heh. (I roleplayed him for a while, which is why I was thinking about it in the first place.) I tend to assume that very few people over the age of 20 are virgins, even if we don't have any specific evidence to the contrary. (Yes, I know lots of people who were virgins after that, and perhaps it's stereotyping to make that assumption, but I do make it.) I dither over whether Phoenix was when he met Dahlia; I have no doubts whether he was after. Yes, the "poop" line is Feenie being still in the puppy-love phase, but they're also at the age where puppy love tends to mean a lot of sex. The immature sort of sex where both partners are still trying to pretend that bodies aren't sometimes gross and that everything always just works, but it is sex. The only characters over the age of 18 that I'd argue as virgins are Meekins (because he's just so over-the-top strange), Stickler (classic geek who's a few years behind in some areas), and maaaaaybe Apollo. We just don't have enough backstory for Apollo, weirdly enough, for me to make a definite call. Though again, I'd tend to assume not a virgin just based on his age. While I don't think he is, I can see an interpretation of Kristoph being a virgin -- he's a psychopath, IMHO, and doesn't deal with sex in the same fashion as normal functioning human beings. Whether that means he doesn't have it at all, or uses it as a weapon, I dunno. For the teenage set: Maya, Franziska (at the beginning of JFA, maybe not by the end of T&T), Ema (at 16), Trucy, Regina: yes. Penny: maybe.