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Author:  Jibo [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:19 pm ]
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Seriously, this statue thing has got to be one of the studpidest reasons to call him gay, what about his "vocabulary" if anything.
Like Croik said, "Eccentric" is the word for that. And it is NOT stupid he has to look at it all day with it being in his office!
Author:  Kryptik [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:20 pm ]
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Larry - Easily the most hetero guy in the series. Like pointed out, he flits along between supermodels all the time. He's just...emotionally spastic. That's just him.

Redd - He's narcissistic, not gay. He's flamboyant, yeah, but I think that comes more from his opulence. He wants to be in your face about how much better and richer he is than you. He can wear pink because...hell, who's going to tell him otherwise? (Real Men wear pink, after all. Look at Dan Hibiki and Vegeta!)

Max - ...it's his character. His gimmick. His fans and supporters are his sweeties. And he's in love with his 'sweetie pie' Regina. So...he's not gay. He just puts on the flamboyant act because that's his stage persona.

Adrian - ...she has her own topic, so lets leave it at that.

Hondobou - ...this one's a lost cause.

Franzsika and Miles - .... My take on the matter. Will Powers
Author:  Happiness Punch! [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:22 pm ]
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Riku wrote:
Raelle wrote:
Happiness Punch! wrote:
You claim you have nothing against gays, but that entire post screams otherwise. :/


I have nothing against gays that admits that they are gay, but I have something against people who say that he/she is gay, but that he/she hasn't said anything yet about his/her sexuality. Of course, you think that I do think of hetero pairings, but I only think of pairings where people have been blushing to each other or admit that they like her/him in story. And I've not experienced such between males in PW.

Finito. Nada. Zento. I don't want to talk about this anymore. Edgeworth
Author:  musouka [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:25 pm ]
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Happiness Punch! wrote:
but I only think of pairings where people have been blushing to each other or admit that they like her/him in story. And I've not experienced such between males in PW.


Then you must not like many PW pairings.

Happiness Punch! wrote:
Finito. Nada. Zento. I don't want to talk about this anymore. Edgeworth


Then, to be blunt, you shouldn't have brought it up on a forum where there are many male/male fans and people open to those sorts of pairings.
Author:  Raelle [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:26 pm ]
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Happiness Punch! wrote:
I have nothing against gays that admits that they are gay, but I have something against people who say that he/she is gay, but that he/she hasn't said anything yet about his/her sexuality.


Yes, because as fictional characters, they can take such offense at people speculating over their sexuality, as opposed to other components of their personalities.

Quote:
Of course, you think that I do think of hetero pairings, but I only think of pairings where people have been blushing to each other or admit that they like her/him in story.


You know, that's great, but I don't see you telling the people who enjoy heterosexual couples who do neither of the above that they are being disrespectful of the characters.
Author:  MatsudaBlack [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:51 pm ]
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Officially none of the characters but Hondobo are gay. And even Hondobo is more of a transvestite.

Also talking about pairings is fanboy/fangirl talk and has nothing to do with their actual sexual orientation in the game. It's still fun though.
Author:  Riku [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:53 pm ]
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Happiness Punch! wrote:
I have nothing against gays that admits that they are gay, but I have something against people who say that he/she is gay, but that he/she hasn't said anything yet about his/her sexuality.

Fangirls who insist that their OTP of choice is canon when it isn't annoy the hell out of me, whether the OTP is m/m, m/f, or f/f. I've encountered a lot of very aggressive and defensive NaruMitsu fangirls that fall into that category. But what's wrong with being open to the possibility, especially since in PW, very few characters have an official sexuality?
Author:  Orcaizer Al [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:46 pm ]
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Who said that's a statue of himself???


He did. Proof from the PW:AA Case 2 script.

Quote:
***Examine statue***

* -Phoenix

* A statue of a man holding

* up the world.

* -Phoenix

* The "Bluecorp" sign certainly

* stands out enough...

* -Phoenix

* The model for the man is,

* of course, Mr. White.
Author:  Ace Prosecutor [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:10 am ]
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okay... where did this gay thing come from anyway?
Author:  musouka [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:54 am ]
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Riku wrote:
Fangirls who insist that their OTP of choice is canon when it isn't annoy the hell out of me


It's not limited to fangirls, sadly.
Author:  CantFaketheFunk [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:17 am ]
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musouka wrote:
Riku wrote:
Fangirls who insist that their OTP of choice is canon when it isn't annoy the hell out of me


It's not limited to fangirls, sadly.


...what exactly are you implying, Mu? Nick
Author:  Ace Prosecutor [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:33 am ]
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To everyone who thinks Max is gay, if Max was really gay the why in the hell did he
Spoiler:
bash Ben's head with that bottle?
The only reason why he did that is because
Spoiler: GS2 Case 3
Trilo was talking sh*t about Max being with Regina.
Think about that, if he was gay, he wouldnt of done that now would he?
Author:  Apeman1813 [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:36 am ]
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Orcaizer Al wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
Who said that's a statue of himself???


He did. Proof from the PW:AA Case 2 script.

Quote:
***Examine statue***

* -Phoenix

* A statue of a man holding

* up the world.

* -Phoenix

* The "Bluecorp" sign certainly

* stands out enough...

* -Phoenix

* The model for the man is,

* of course, Mr. White.

Well, I'll be damned. Never caught that (or it never seemed signifigant until now). Thank you.

PS: He's still not gay
Author:  Croik [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:35 am ]
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ATTENTION THREAD: Please to not be descending into pro-yaoi / anti-yaoi (or even indifferent-yaoi).

I'm sure most shippers can agree, we like fan-couples that are well crafted, in character, and interesting. Anything beyond that is all preference and silly to debate.

Anyway.

Let us return to civil discourse.
Author:  Ace Prosecutor [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:44 am ]
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Croik wrote:
ATTENTION THREAD: Please to not be descending into pro-yaoi / anti-yaoi (or even indifferent-yaoi).

I'm sure most shippers can agree, we like fan-couples that are well crafted, in character, and interesting. Anything beyond that is all preference and silly to debate.

Anyway.

Let us return to civil discourse.


What the f**k is yaoi/anti yaoi
Author:  Wrestler Hatman [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:04 am ]
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Croik wrote:
But Max, despite his flamboyance, is clearly in love with Regina. And Yuusaku, one of the girliest looking guys in the series, is also also the only married one.

So no, I don't think there's "a lot of gay characters" in PW. Eccentric and odd, sure. But otherwise, naw.


Besides, this is Capcom we're talking about. If they're effeminate/open with their emotions, they're as straight as an arrow. If they're muscular, hirsute and hairy (like, say... I don't know... Zangief before he got retconned) or a tribute to a dead singer from England (Freddie Mercury erm I mean Eagle, yes. Eagle)... well, they enjoy male company, if you catch my drift.

Because of that, I'd sooner believe Will Powers is gay than even Hondoubou. Hondoubou is just... really... really... happy. Unless he's officially, canonically gay, then I'd believe it, with proof.
Author:  Riku [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:08 am ]
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Attorney Hatman wrote:
Besides, this is Capcom we're talking about.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So true. This is the best post in the thread.
Author:  Kryptik [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:12 am ]
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Capcom likes to screw with people like that.

Look at Poison, for god's sake. >_<
Author:  Dr. Mancusio [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:55 pm ]
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Quote:
Larry Butz; acts very emotional and friendly toward Nick in a bi way.
That's like saying whenever I see you walking up to, laughing with, or thanking a friend for a big favour they did you, I can immediately jump the gun and yell "GAY!". Nick

Quote:
Red White; Has a naked statue of himself, wears a camp suit and has camp hair.
OBJECT! "So? The greeks and Romans made dozens of naked statues.
*Speedlines* "ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL GREEKS ARE HOMOSEXUAL BECAUSE THEY MADE NAKED STATUES?!"

Quote:
Richard Wellington; looks like a fashion model, Wellington <--- that smiley.

We know that analogy can be drawn. Your point?

Quote:
Franzika von Karma; doesn't like men (as stated), whips all genders, CFTFs drawings
Where did she state she doesn't like men? She's a pretty hateful person who dubs everyone incompetent, save herself; that whip doesn't encite the whipped to jack off, it makes them feel pain.

Quote:
Maximillion Galactica; refers to Phoenix as "sweetie", just look at him!!
This was disproven from the start. Max just has a very, very flamboyant image. The only people who seems to care about what he says in the long term (save as a good joke) are the easily riled members of the community; it sure seems as if the characters themselves don't.

Quote:
Adrian Andrews; doesn't like the only men she knows proir the game, trusts women and... stuff, CFTFs drawings
Spoiler: PW JFA Case 4
Of course she wouldn't like Engarde or Corrida; they were bickering, villanous (maybe Juan wasn't, but Engarde was) pricks. You'd hate them yourself if they were part of your life. And they were the reason Celeste died, the person Adrian cared most for. And I really don't see how Celeste's gender has anything to do with Adrian's co-dependability on her, in comparison to Inpax's strength as a mentor to her.


Really, the Phoenix Wright world just hosts a very characteristic/bizarre bunch of people. If they were ghey, it'd be obvious and you wouldn't have to "squint" like you are now. I don't mean to be offensive or arouse flames, for the record (we don't need anything like that, I'm sure).
Author:  El Huesudo II [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:01 pm ]
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Dr. Mancusio wrote:
Quote:
Red White; Has a naked statue of himself, wears a camp suit and has camp hair.
OBJECT! "So? The greeks and Romans made dozens of naked statues.
*Speedlines* "ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL GREEKS ARE HOMOSEXUAL BECAUSE THEY MADE NAKED STATUES?!"


YES! YES YES YES YES DAMMIT YES!
... *erhem* Ancient Greek citizens approved male/male relationships more, because they seemed less animalistic than male/female. Or at least that's the kind of thoughts they provoked with all the "bisexual" deities in their mythology. XD

...As with Rome... they had very, very big egos.
Author:  Riku [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:13 pm ]
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El Huesudo II wrote:
Ancient Greek citizens approved male/male relationships more

I don't know if the "more" part is especially accurate (or the stuff about m/f being too animalistic) but for the most part you're correct.
Author:  Dr. Mancusio [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:48 pm ]
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El Huesudo II wrote:
Dr. Mancusio wrote:
Quote:
Red White; Has a naked statue of himself, wears a camp suit and has camp hair.
OBJECT! "So? The greeks and Romans made dozens of naked statues.
*Speedlines* "ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL GREEKS ARE HOMOSEXUAL BECAUSE THEY MADE NAKED STATUES?!"

...As with Rome... they had very, very big egos.

Objection

*Slams desk* Which is exactly why Redd White has a naked statue of himself holding up the earth! It is because he is a very egotistical man!
Author:  SilverZephyr [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:06 pm ]
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There...really aren't any gay PW characters. Everything you're going off of is the "stereotypically gay" idea..._____ is flamboyant and feminine therefore ______ is gay.

Fact: Not all flamboyant or feminine men are gay.
Fact: Not all gay men are flamboyant or feminine.

Larry and Max are a few of the straightest guys in the game. Larry may be emotional and Max may be flamboyant for his stage persona but that doesn't mean they're gay.

I support many, many gay and lesbian pairings in this game. I think the game sets up some wonderful opportunities for such relationships. But I don't claim that any character's sexuality is fact, because really, sexuality is not a subject often touched upon in this game.

For the record, I have absolutely NOTHING against gays, and I have no problem with people saying "I think so and so might like so and so of the same gender" or anything of that sort, but the subject of this topic/etc. makes it seem like you're stating that _____ is, for a fact, gay, when really there's no real evidence supporting that in your post.

Sorry if I sound rude at all. Attacking anybody is not my intention.
Author:  Jibo [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:19 pm ]
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Dr. Mancusio wrote:
Objection

*Slams desk* Which is exactly why Redd White has a naked statue of himself holding up the earth! It is because he is a very egotistical man!

He was agreeing, dolt, and he made a very good point before that. They felt that women were too inferior, that's why.
Author:  Dr. Mancusio [ Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:32 pm ]
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Jibo wrote:
Dr. Mancusio wrote:
Objection

*Slams desk* Which is exactly why Redd White has a naked statue of himself holding up the earth! It is because he is a very egotistical man!

He was agreeing, dolt, and he made a very good point before that. They felt that women were too inferior, that's why.

Hold it!
And where did I say otherwise regarding the greeks? Y-you've confused me. Eh?
Author:  Phoenix_fan [ Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:28 am ]
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Gosh, if ive learned something from this board it would be don't join in or it will cause uproar... so im just gonna say the game is good how it is and they can be gay if they want to. Edgy
Author:  Morinozuka Takashi [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:20 am ]
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I... really don't wanna get involved either. *blink* I kinda hated Max at first, but he grew on me.

Whether a character is gay or not wouldn't affect me. The game's just that good. *cough**wishes Phoenix and Edgeworth could be canon, but that's just me*

*psst* But Max calling Nick sweetie and that irkiung the poor guy out did make me giggle, though. *psst* XD
Author:  HyperJerk [ Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:18 pm ]
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As they say: Gayness is in the eyes of the Beholder
Author:  Zetto San [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:14 am ]
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If I may say something about cultural differences...

I was at an FIRST Robotics competition, and there were several UK teams there. At one point, I was patrolling, trying to enforce safety rules, when I came across a tall, stubbly, thin European man. He had illegal safety glasses on, so I approached him in a mature mannar about the issue. I brought it to his attention, and he was glad to follow the rules, but the thing with our conversation was that he was really close to my face. About 5 inches or less.

Now, admittedly, at first, I thought he was homosexual, but then I remembered something my theater teacher once told me. She said that, in other countries, it's not uncommon that people who are talking and conversing normally would be very close to each other, closer then Americans would stand.

My point is, completely normal behaviors that anyone in another country would do could be construed as homosexual behaviors.
Author:  Konran [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:38 am ]
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Quick, stupid question: just what exactly does camp mean?
Author:  Apeman1813 [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:11 am ]
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Konran wrote:
Quick, stupid question: just what exactly does camp mean?

Actually, no, it's not a stupid question... I kinda want to know for myself...
Author:  Android 21 3/7 [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:24 am ]
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Konran wrote:
Quick, stupid question: just what exactly does camp mean?

Actually, no, it's not a stupid question... I kinda want to know for myself...



Seconded. I honestly don't know either.
Author:  Demonic Defense [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:28 am ]
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Max is just metrosexual. Flamboyant and straight.
Author:  EricaP [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:28 pm ]
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Jibo....I am sorry...but I am gonna have to go with the others on this one.

Larry-Is straight...first Cindy, then....Kylionce...

Redd's White-Actually....back back in Greece, the Olympics were held. The men were somewhat naked actually.

Sal-Hm...

Morgan-Could the geisha impersonator be consitered a pedo? I mean...she was all like...."YOU MUST CALL THEM MYSTIC MAYA AND MYSTIC PEARL DAMNIT!" Also, alot if not many people in Gs2 Case 2 were female so...

About Max...he is straight...I mean...Yuusakou looks ghey...but he is married to a woman......
Author:  Tinker [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:39 pm ]
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El Huesudo II wrote:
Dr. Mancusio wrote:
Quote:
Red White; Has a naked statue of himself, wears a camp suit and has camp hair.
OBJECT! "So? The greeks and Romans made dozens of naked statues.
*Speedlines* "ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL GREEKS ARE HOMOSEXUAL BECAUSE THEY MADE NAKED STATUES?!"


YES! YES YES YES YES DAMMIT YES!
... *erhem* Ancient Greek citizens approved male/male relationships more, because they seemed less animalistic than male/female. Or at least that's the kind of thoughts they provoked with all the "bisexual" deities in their mythology. XD

...As with Rome... they had very, very big egos.


I've been translating one of Plato's texts in Greek lessons lately, and it's about homosexual/heterosexual people, and how they came to be, and what the Greek thought of them.
In Ancient Greek culture, woman/woman was the worst thing, man/woman was only done to get children, and man/man was by far the best thing to have. This is most likely because back then the women just stayed at home, weren't educated, and were overall just plain boring. They really praised homosexual men.
But when the Romans invaded, this all disappeared. They didn't really like it.
Author:  Phoenix_fan [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:57 pm ]
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Android 21 3/7 wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
Konran wrote:
Quick, stupid question: just what exactly does camp mean?

Actually, no, it's not a stupid question... I kinda want to know for myself...



Seconded. I honestly don't know either.

Not a stupid question. It means they act gay, but doesn't mean they are acctualy gay. K?
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:35 pm ]
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Apeman1813 wrote:
"Larry Butz; acts very emotional and friendly toward Nick in a bi way."
I found Larry to be very straight compare to most people in the game, he's just the type of person to blow things out of perportion of how things really are (his (bad) luck, love, fear, graditude)

"Red White; Has a naked statue of himself, wears a camp suit and has camp hair."
Who said that's a statue of himself??? And how would that make you gay???

"Richard Wellington; looks like a fashion model, Wellington <--- that smiley."
Yea, he's pretty snobby and flamboyent (sp?)

"Franzika von Karma; doesn't like men (as stated), whips all genders, CFTFs drawings"
I think she just doesn't like Phoenix, until she decides to help him at the end and keeps the 4th evidence that is

"Maximillion Galactica; refers to Phoenix as "sweetie", just look at him!!"
I found him to be very metrosexual

"Adrian Andrews; doesn't like the only men she knows proir the game, trusts women and... stuff, CFTFs drawings"
... honestly, I'm not sure what to think of her anymore... she really does scream lesbian...


What about Lana? Who was attracted Mia.
Phoenix and Edgeworth... nuff' said.


Redd White most certainly comes off as gay. He has purple hair, a pink business suit, and wears rings on every finger. Not to mention his rather large vocabulary. That alone should qualify him as gay.
Author:  Lord Bovine [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:03 pm ]
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Quote:
Quick, stupid question: just what exactly does camp mean?


Camp, it's a bit hard to explain, it has several slightly different meanings, the most common one is the femeine-acting guy, flamboyant, sterotypically-limp wristed, which is usually associated with gay men. However, you could call a flim camp, such as the Warriors because of it's general corny feel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_%28style%29

As for the sexuallty of characters themselfs, there's nothing concerate that tells us about the sexuallty. Just sterotypical elements associted with homosexual people.

Now..

Redd? I doubt he has love for anyone, he's far too wrapped up in himself. Having a statue of him naked could be strongly aruged to show his egotistic nature. Also, remember April May, nothing is said about those two but being in a hotel room together (bugging, nevertheless) does sussget that he did have a thing for pretty young ladies.

Richared? That's completely baseless, as baseless to say he is straight. There is nothing either way.

Franziska - One comment to the clown after asking if he was going to get whipped - "We can do that after court.. if you're into that sort of thing" (something to that extent anyway) seems to me she does other things besides being in court.. with men too.

Adrian - I guess you could say she is with the dependableness. But remember what Edgeworth said? He said she clings onto other people, not woman in general. Ofcourse, we don't have the full story, all we know of two people she held on to - Celeste and Fransizka. Now, as much as I don't want to completely destroy the dreams of Fransizka/Adrian parings (Much I must admit I've taken an intrest myself.) it's not certian if she clings only to woman. Remember, the two she did in the game, had postions of help over her, Franny was ofcourse helping her in court and Celeste was her mentor. A woman such as herself, in that postion could find easy reasons to hold on. In all honesty, you could say that Gumshop has a thing for Edgeworth because he's always talking about him and was quite upset when Edgy was taken to court, that ofcouse, isn't certian.

Max - Camp. Already proven to have an intrest in a girl, boys, who knows? One could say the reason he was so..charming to Phoenix was because he was his defence (Remember before he just brushed him off while sweet-talking Maya?)

Really, I feel, sometimes it's the case of finding what you want to see, such as several extremist shippers in Pokémon I know (Let's not even get to the tales of Harry Potter shippers, to go as far to decide the writer has no idea about her own stories.) However, I'm not saying at all that these characteres are completely hentro or homosexual.
Author:  ParrotMan01 [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:00 pm ]
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Welington made a comment on first rate stuff that I think involved women, but I'm not really sure.
Author:  axl99 [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:09 pm ]
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:chef: I severely doubt this man is heterosexual, after that one exchange with the judge regarding his own gender.
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