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Apart from much evidence implied by the writers this pairing has no real future, I personally dislike the idea of this pairing due to this reason. One of Phoenix's signature and endearing character traits is his devotion and loyalty to his friends. He goes through law school to save Edgeworth because he doesn't believe the Edgeworth he knew in 4th grade is really the Demon Prosecutor inside and believes in him when Edgeworth himself thinks he's a murderer. He runs across a burning bridge to try to save Maya and utterly believes in her innocence despite damning evidence against her the 3 times she's accused of murder. And he eats a poisoned bottle and believes utterly in Iris' innocence, even 5 years later, despite the fact 'she' is found guilty of murder with all evidence pointing to her.

So, how do the recipients of such extreme devotion and loyalty reciprocate?

Edgeworth develops a mutual trust and respect for Phoenix and rushes to his aid in his time of need in 2-4 and again in 3-5. He's so concerned for his friend he charters a private jet in the middle of the night to rush back from overseas, and riskily masquerades as a defense attorney for his sake.

Maya is clearly just as devoted to Phoenix as he is to her, taking a taser for him, knowingly being jailed for contempt of court to save the trial, willingly sacrificing herself and imploring him to get Engarde a guilty verdict and not compromise his morals and career, instead of saving her, etc.

Iris develops a love for Phoenix but her loyalty is still given priority to her sister, who wants to murder him. The loyalty she develops to Phoenix is not strong enough for her to act upon in any way which might compromise her sister, therefore she does not save or warn Phoenix in any way. 5 years later, she has another chance to prove her loyalty. But, again, any loyalty to Phoenix is compromised too much by her continued loyalty to her sister to do anything effective to warn or protect him. The bandaid measure of a demon-warding hood is just not sufficient.

Phoenix is still loyal to Iris as a person 5 years later. Iris, for her part, still is overpowered too much by her conflicting loyalty to her sister - Phoenix's attempted murderer - to choose to do anything meaningful to protect him.

I feel that Phoenix, who is so loyal and devoted to his friends, deserves someone who will display at least a reasonable reciprocal devotion and loyalty to him, not one which is compromised by continuing loyalty to someone who wants to kill him. Therefore, Iris does not fit the bill.

[Now don't think I hate Iris, because I don't, I think she's a lovely person - but all those Dahlia/Iris fanfics seem more reasonable than future Phoenix/Iris.]

It's canon he has no interest in women.

As for the little tiff a few posts back, no one is this thread is required to explain why they don't like certain pairings. But I do ask that you refrain from unnecessarily negative descriptions like "I'd like to shoot it in the head and run over it's dog and then burn it in hell!" (exaggeration~). It starts to sound too much like "people who like it are wrong" and that's not acceptable here.

:franny: x :adrian:

NEITHER IS A LESBO YOU FOOLS.

Same with Kristoph/Viola and Apollo x Viola. ^^; I don't get either of them either.

two obviously hetero characters

-Phoenix/Iris

Spoiler: Why I personally don't like Phoenix x Iris after 3-5. 3-5 spoilers

~Daryan seemed to really hate Klavier at that case. And look at my first argument for why Klavier couldn't work

The main reason is this: I can't imagine where they would live together. As odd a reason as this may seem, I can't picture Phoenix leaving LA and giving up his dream of defending people to be with Iris and I honestly think it would be very selfish of her if she were to ask that of him.

icer wrote:

-Phoenix/Iris

Spoiler: Why I personally don't like Phoenix x Iris after 3-5. 3-5 spoilers

I completely agree with everything you said about Iris. I dislike Phoenix/Iris more than any other Phoenix pairing (I can't see him with anyone besides Edgeworth).

On the other hand, I can easily imagine Iris in a relationship with :larry:

Oos wrote:

Same with Kristoph/Viola

crack pairing

On that note, Furio/Viola is on my hatelist. Poor Viola! D:

Well, to be fair...

Spoiler: 3-5

On the other hand, I can easily imagine Iris in a relationship with . She seems like exactly the type of woman he needs: kind, caring, and not a high-maintenance model. There's also the fact that loud, obnoxious, immature Larry reminds me a lot of young Phoenix and he could live with her at Hazakura Temple working as an artist. I can see Larry painting portraits of the tourists and working on picture books while Iris continues working with spirit mediums and the like. They just seem to fit together much better than Phoenix/Iris IMO

(or any male)
So a person who's evil, married, and perfect gets paired with someone he hated enough to kill?

:bellboy: or :payne:

/ ANYONE is just wrong esp. :chef:

i think his face would scary almost everyone away

Aw, but Payne needs love. ;_;

(Witty Name Here) wrote:

Aw, but Payne needs love. ;_;

But he has love D: IIRC he said he had a wife in the game.

Author:	Chinese Infantry [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:06 am ]
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If someone doesn't like yaoi, that's his/her business. Personally, I'd add - Force it to place Sonic 360 - Gouge at it's skin and pour salt over the wounds - Kill it in the most painful way possible, then revive it just to keep doing it. to that list. I don't like yaoi either. Got a problem with that?

Author:	Oos [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:21 pm ]
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I have a problem with it if you don't explain why :/ If you're going to dislike something, you should probably explain why you don't like it. It's only common sense.

Author:	(Witty Name Here) [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:59 pm ]
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I just don't like it. D: There's no particular reason WHY. I just don't. I didn't know that I had to have an explanation for it. I don't hate yaoi lovers or anything, I'm cool if you like it. Yaoi just doesn't do it for me.

Author:	Oos [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:42 pm ]
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shrug fair enough. :0 Telling your reasons why you don't like something makes it so you don't sound like a total dick. You know, like the people who go 'LOLOL I DONT LIKE THIS PAIRING BECAUSE IT SUCKS. :C'

Author:	(Witty Name Here) [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:06 pm ]
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Ah, sorry that it came out that way. D: It wasn't intentional.

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Author:	Alcotholic [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:14 pm ]
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X X X ' these ones are gross

Author:	Mr. Thunder [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:24 pm ]
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x NEITHER IS A LESBO YOU FOOLS. x (or any male) So a person who's evil, married, and perfect gets paired with someone he hated enough to kill? x They have conflicting personalities. Anyone can see that. x I just don't think Phoenix wants to see that face after everything that happened... x Dude... Ema hates Klavier... And he doesn't care for her much, either.

Author:	icer [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:25 pm ]
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Well, I've figured out my most hated pairing and the only one I'd say I hate [Obviously I have my favourites but I'm pretty open to the idea of most pairings, really, though I find some boring.] Spoiler: GS4 4-4 etc Phoenix/Thalassa. Ew. Hideous. Nauseating. Do Not Want. I have a million reasons why I can't stand this 'pairing' and I know what they all are too, but I won't take up space. [Though I will mention that I just couldn't like Thalassa, even though I knew we were 'supposed' to because I knew that spoiler. Willingly marrying Zak, the biggest jerk in the series? Abandoning poor Apollo? Being so generally irritating in court?] Other pairings I do not support: -Phoenix/Iris Spoiler: Why I personally don't like Phoenix x Iris after 3-5. 3-5 spoilers Apart from much evidence implied by the writers this pairing has no real future, I personally dislike the idea of this pairing due to this reason. One of Phoenix's signature and endearing character traits is his devotion and loyalty to his friends. He goes through law school to save Edgeworth because he doesn't believe the Edgeworth he knew in 4th grade is really the Demon Prosecutor inside and believes in him when Edgeworth himself thinks he's a murderer. He runs across a burning bridge to try to save Maya and utterly believes in her innocence despite damning evidence against her the 3 times she's accused of murder. And he eats a poisoned bottle and believes utterly in Iris' innocence, even 5 years later, despite the fact 'she' is found guilty of murder with all evidence pointing to her. So, how do the recipients of such extreme devotion and loyalty reciprocate? Edgeworth develops a mutual trust and respect for Phoenix and rushes to his aid in his time of need in 2-4 and again in 3-5. He's so concerned for his friend he charters a private jet in the middle of the night to rush back from overseas, and riskily masquerades as a defense attorney for his sake. Maya is clearly just as devoted to Phoenix as he is to her, taking a taser for him, knowingly being jailed for contempt of court to save the trial, willingly sacrificing herself and imploring him to get Engarde a guilty verdict and not compromise his morals and career, instead of saving her, etc. Iris develops a love for Phoenix but her loyalty is still given priority to her sister, who wants to murder him. The loyalty she develops to Phoenix is not strong enough for her to act upon in any way which might compromise her sister, therefore she does not save or warn Phoenix in any way. 5 years later, she has another chance to prove her loyalty. But, again, any loyalty to Phoenix is compromised too much by her continued loyalty to her sister to do anything effective to warn or protect him. The bandaid measure of a demon-warding hood is just not sufficient. Phoenix is still loyal to Iris as a person 5 years later. Iris, for her part, still is overpowered too much by her conflicting loyalty to her sister - Phoenix's attempted murderer - to choose to do anything meaningful to protect him. I feel that Phoenix, who is so loyal and devoted to his friends, deserves someone who will display at least a reasonable reciprocal devotion and loyalty to him, not one which is compromised by continuing loyalty to someone who wants to kill him. Therefore, Iris does not fit the bill. [Now don't think I hate Iris, because I don't, I think she's a lovely person - but all those Dahlia/Iris fanfics seem more reasonable than future Phoenix/Iris.] -Edgeworth/Franziska It would have been a cute concept - except that they have the most blatantly 'sibling' relationship in the entire series, even more than Spoiler: 4-4 Apollo/Trucy And the sibling rivalry kind, not the fluffy kind which might end in psuedocest. I can't see romance as feasible, ever. Also Edgeworth/Lana - This seems to be based on nothing and I can't ever see it, ever. [If Edgeworth isn't gay for Phoenix, then he's asexual, definitely. It's canon he has no interest in women.] Klavier/Apollo - it's based on exactly one Yaoi fodder line and absolutely nothing else. It's boring and unlikely. Phoenix/Edgeworth was hot because it was based on a great backstory and reasonable canon 'evidence'. This has none. Klavier/Ema - Ema genuinely hates him, in the type of way suggesting they have irreconcilable differences and values.

Author:	Croik [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:30 pm ]
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Quote: It's canon he has no interest in women. Canon is something that the game states to be the exact truth. The game never says Edgeworth has zero interest in women. He seems to be clueless about women and his own popularity with them, and he doesn't have a relationship with any of the women in the series, but that doesn't mean he never has liked a girl or never will. Just saying, 'cause I don't like seeing the word "canon" tossed around too lightly. It makes people prickly. As for the little tiff a few posts back, no one is this thread is required to explain why they don't like certain pairings. But I do ask that you refrain from unnecessarily negative descriptions like "I'd like to shoot it in the head and run over it's dog and then burn it in hell!" (exaggeration~). It starts to sound too much like "people who like it are wrong" and that's not acceptable here.

Author:	icer [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:04 pm ]
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^True, true, should have been 'implied in canon' ^_^;

Author:	Oos [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:27 pm ]
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Croik wrote: As for the little tiff a few posts back, no one is this thread is required to explain why they don't like certain pairings. But I do ask that you refrain from unnecessarily negative descriptions like "I'd like to shoot it in the head and run over it's dog and then burn it in hell!" (exaggeration~). It starts to sound too much like "people who like it are wrong" and that's not acceptable here. True...^^; But I'm just trying to help people sound a little nicer. XD; Also, I'd like to add Godot x Ema to my list. o_o I've seen it around lately and until I understand the logic behind it, I don't like it too much D: Same with Kristoph/Viola and Apollo x Viola. ^^; I don't get either of them either.

Author:	Nothing to Hyde [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:13 am ]
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No pairings. i like no pairings :\|

Author:	Trench Kamen [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:30 am ]
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Mr. Thunder wrote: :franny: x NEITHER IS A LESBO YOU FOOLS. Really? How are you so sure? Their orientations weren't confirmed either way in canon. And in response to the "I hate yaoi" stuff from above: I like any pairing if it has chemistry and basis, regardless of the gender of the people involved. If that's not your cup of tea, that's cool, but it's limiting to cut off an entire dimension of analysis to exclude any and all pairings that fit an arbitrary categorical distinction. In this case, the arbitrary category is the physical gender of the two people involved. The sexual orientation of precious few of the Gyakuten Saiban characters is confirmed, and even in cases in which there is canon romantic involvement with one or more characters, people can be bisexual.

Author:	MoronSonOfBoron [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:59 am ]
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Oos wrote: Same with Kristoph/Viola and Apollo x Viola. ^^; I don't get either of them either. They're crack pairings, you're not obligated to. \|D On that note, Furio/Viola is on my hatelist. Poor Viola! D:

Author:	Shinsugi [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:15 pm ]
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x x x x x x

Author:	Trench Kamen [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:34 pm ]
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Shinsugi wrote: :meekins: x SNORT Okay, that's one I haven't heard before. Nice. The crack value is awesome. I have a mental image of Meekins shoving his megaphone into Gant's face and screaming "I'M NOT READY!" or "NO MEANS NO!" or something like that.

Author:	Topaz Fey [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:37 pm ]
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Apollo x Trucy Obvious reasons...

Author:	Szabu [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:39 am ]
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x Yes, you heard it. Actually, I see nothing good about taking two obviously hetero characters (one of them having a canon relationship), puttin them together and making them gay. That just... makes no sense. And it makes me sick too. Especially when I'm searching for random fanarts, and I find tons of yaoi's.

Author:	Trench Kamen [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:14 am ]
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Szabu wrote: two obviously hetero characters This is only scratching the surface of all the wank I could start here, but define 'obviously'. Recall that having a relationship with a member of one gender does not necessarily mean one does not also enjoy the company of the other.

Author:	Caelestis [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:21 am ]
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Okay, before I post here, I just want to say that most of them are yaoi and yuri. I have no problem with people who like those pairings; I just personally don't like them. I have a romantic mindset and I'm heterosexual, so I simply prefer those types of pairings. Again, that doesn't mean that I think people who like those types of pairings are "wrong" or "disgusting" or whatever mean adjective you can think of. I just am not partial to it. Now, here are my opinions... there are many I don't like, but I'm just posting the ones I've seen people use. / ~Mostly because I see them paired with other people. I also don't really see Phoenix changing sexual orientation like that (yes, it could happen; I just don't see it happening) and I don't see Miles being homosexual, or at least being open about it. The thought of them together just doesn't do it for me. / ~Again, I can't see either being homosexual, especially for each other. I don't know about Apollo's taste in women, but I know Klavier said that one of the reasons he wanted to be a rock star was so that women would scream for him whenever he walked down the street. In my humble opinion, not the makings of a homosexual oriented man. / ~Um, I just don't see this working out. I'm sorry. I think Apollo would be freaked out and Violetta probably wouldn't think that he's her type. / ~Again, can't see it happen for personality's sakes... Spoiler: Major Spoilers for AJ and 3-3 I mean, Kristoph is an actual killer while she is not. While Violetta was creepy, she wasn't a killer. I just don't see them working out / ~I honestly don't believe that Adrian's actions make her homosexual. I forget who it was, but someone provided cultural information about why Adrian's actions would be considered "normal but strange" in a Japanese environment. Basically, it was showing that it was likely that Adrian wasn't homosexual. And with Franziska? Besides that one of my OTP's include her with someone else (I don't care that people hate it; just don't hate me), I just don't see her wanting to get together with Adrian; I'd think Franziska would want someone stronger. Again, my opinion / ~I think I can explain this simply: I prefer canon pairings, and Gumshoe with Maggey is at least a one-sided canon pairing. I also don't think Miles would fall for Gumshoe, and somehow I doubt Gumshoe would be homosexual. / ~Eh, I don't see Franziska liking the guy, first off. She whips him so much and doesn't even want to talk to him, it seems like sometimes. Also, I doubt Gumshoe will fall for someone who's 13 years younger than him and likes to whip him for fun. / ~They seem too much like what Maya and Nick seemed to me; like siblings. They just acted too much like siblings, and while I support pairings that are 7 years in age difference, because Trucy is only 16, I feel that's a wee bit young for someone to fall for a 22-year-old. Again, I can't say much since one of my OTP's has a 7-year age difference, but at least that one has the youngest at 18-19. But hopefully I don't have to defend myself for this one. / ~First off, not a fan of incest. Second off, I don't find this pair, what's the word... aesthetically pleasing. As I said in the beginning, yaoi pairings aren't my thing. Especially this one, since it's mixed with incest. / ~Simply because the age difference is too significant / ~I don't see Phoenix caring for Ema in that way, and I don't see it vice versa. Just not something I find cute or possible. / ~Daryan seemed to really hate Klavier at that case. And look at my first argument for why Klavier couldn't work / ~Again, don't see it. Maybe Ema could have a crush on him, but somehow I doubt Miles would care for her that much. To him, she's more of a youngster obsessed with forensics. / ~Someone brought this up one time. First off, it's canon for Mia and Diego. Second, I don't really see Lana as someone who is homosexual. I don't know... Wow, that's a lot of pairings! Again, I mean no offense to my least favorite pairings. Yaoi and yuri just isn't my thing. And yes, probably most of these explanations can be disputed with "They could be bisexual!" but honestly, I just don't see those above characters being that way... Again, totally my opinion. So please don't argue with me that all I've stated is speculation, because I know that.

Author:	Black-Harmonia [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:24 am ]
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I think I'm kinda a hypocrite. I dont like / because of the age difference, but I dont have a problem with / which is kinda even worse because its Spoiler: incest.

Author:	Flex [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:49 am ]
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/ It's just plain wrong...

Author:	Missile. x [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:50 pm ]
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I think i posted on ehre before but oh well, i have some new ones lol First of all... / I really think this is sick, it's actually my LEAST favourite pairing EVER! Ben is CONTROLLING TRILO, therefor Trilo only likes Rgina because Ben is a pervy 30 year old man with a crush on a 16 year old, I find this more disturbing than Gavincest and / Which is saying something about how gross i found this... Spoiler: T&T :phoenix: / Come on, i really don't see this after T&T i mean she looks just like Dahlia with Black hair! Wouldn't he be subconsiuosly scarred by her appearence! + She lied to him repeatedly, "You always are the person i thought you were" is not enough basis for "Phoenix is still in love with Iris" Who he thought was Dahlia (a person who tried to kill him and his friends) throughout his relation ship with her. (Oh and i found her trusting kinda perfect attintude INCREDIBLY irritating... / Sorry i just don't thing they're gay...either of them, yea Edgeworth is lightly afeminate with his pink coat and tea drinking but that really doesn't make him gay. Phoenix is even less likely to be gay, he's always mentioning when he thinks girls are pretty, (for example Dessie) I'n not ruling them out but personaly i don't support them. / and / I think it's pretty ovbious why i don't support these parings... Ewww / Just because Kristoph is a murderer doesn't mean that he sexually harasses Apollo, I mean yeah i read a fanfic with hese two which was pretty hot lol but i still don't see it. / I don't really seee klavier as gay tbh, he goes on about women and (attempts to) flirt with . As for Apollo I trly have no idea if he's gay or not, if is is i don't see him going for someone as showy as klavier. I have quite a few more lol like: / , / (<<<sorry guys! I know how much they love that one) / (Huh? Who came up with that one? Just because they're both big men lol) All of these are just my opinion, and in no way is that final so no one kill me lol

Author:	Greeny [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:19 pm ]
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/ : I just don't see it happen. ...Glimmerous fop... >_> / anyone: I think it's pretty much canon that phoenix has taken the role of a single father... So I can't really imagine him in a relationship at this point. / anyone: He's just too old.

Author:	Duclis [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:42 pm ]
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Nevermind, I wanna post my list now D: Anything pedo (unless it's like..aged-up) but then that's kind of a given. D: And any of the animals/any humans but that's given too. (DO NOT WANT Edgeworth/Pess ;_;) / For the same reasons everyone else wrote. / I don't know what's scarier... How most of the time I see this OOC, or how it would be if it WAS IC. D: D: (and yes I know it's been done like that. Don't remind me lol) / Same goes with Trilo/Regina ~~even though I like him more than Max.~~ / ...How about no? / Also no. Which is weird seeing how I fucking love them both. / See what happened in the game. / ~~I am crying inside~~ OOPS I mean WHY. I can't see Phoenix doing that. or or or fanon! /anyone because I'm a freak like that. I'm willing to give almost all the other ones out there a chance though. :C ...And DON'T BE SUPRISED if I change my mind on any of these; I think most of the reasons why some of these are up here are because I haven't seen them done right. 0-o

Author:	Lola [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:43 pm ]
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icer wrote: -Phoenix/Iris Spoiler: Why I personally don't like Phoenix x Iris after 3-5. 3-5 spoilers Apart from much evidence implied by the writers this pairing has no real future, I personally dislike the idea of this pairing due to this reason. One of Phoenix's signature and endearing character traits is his devotion and loyalty to his friends. He goes through law school to save Edgeworth because he doesn't believe the Edgeworth he knew in 4th grade is really the Demon Prosecutor inside and believes in him when Edgeworth himself thinks he's a murderer. He runs across a burning bridge to try to save Maya and utterly believes in her innocence despite damning evidence against her the 3 times she's accused of murder. And he eats a poisoned bottle and believes utterly in Iris' innocence, even 5 years later, despite the fact 'she' is found guilty of murder with all evidence pointing to her. So, how do the recipients of such extreme devotion and loyalty reciprocate? Edgeworth develops a mutual trust and respect for Phoenix and rushes to his aid in his time of need in 2-4 and again in 3-5. He's so concerned for his friend he charters a private jet in the middle of the night to rush back from overseas, and riskily masquerades as a defense attorney for his sake. Maya is clearly just as devoted to Phoenix as he is to her, taking a taser for him, knowingly being jailed for contempt of court to save the trial, willingly sacrificing herself and imploring him to get Engarde a guilty verdict and not compromise his morals and career, instead of saving her, etc. Iris develops a love for Phoenix but her loyalty is still given priority to her sister, who wants to murder him. The loyalty she develops to Phoenix is not strong enough for her to act upon in any way which might compromise her sister, therefore she does not save or warn Phoenix in any way. 5 years later, she has another chance to prove her loyalty. But, again, any loyalty to Phoenix is compromised too much by her continued loyalty to her sister to do anything effective to warn or protect him. The bandaid measure of a demon-warding hood is just not sufficient. Phoenix is still loyal to Iris as a person 5 years later. Iris, for her part, still is overpowered too much by her conflicting loyalty to her sister - Phoenix's attempted murderer - to choose to do anything meaningful to protect him. I feel that Phoenix, who is so loyal and devoted to his friends, deserves someone who will display at least a reasonable reciprocal devotion and loyalty to him, not one which is compromised by continuing loyalty to someone who wants to kill him. Therefore, Iris does not fit the bill. [Now don't think I hate Iris, because I don't, I think she's a lovely person - but all those Dahlia/Iris fanfics seem more reasonable than future Phoenix/Iris.] I completely agree with everything you said about Iris. I dislike Phoenix/Iris more than any other Phoenix pairing (I can't see him with anyone besides Edgeworth). I also can't stand Apollo/Trucy and Edgeworth/Franziska for the sibling relationship. Overall, I'm not a fan of unequal pairings either (boss/employee, like Gant/Lana, Kristoph/Apollo, Phoenix/Maya).

Author:	Reemokisu [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:50 am ]
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I also dont like /iris (wow this pairing's been getting beat on a surprising amount, I thought I was in the vast minority by not liking it). Anyway, as sweet as Iris is, I can't see her being in a relationship with Phoenix. The main reason is this: I can't imagine where they would live together. As odd a reason as this may seem, I can't picture Phoenix leaving LA and giving up his dream of defending people to be with Iris and I honestly think it would be very selfish of her if she were to ask that of him. Similarly, I can't imagine very shy Iris surviving long in LA. She's very easily manipulated and is extremely timid. Young Phoenix said that she was extremely shy around everyone at Ivy University, so I can't imagine her surviving long in LA unscathed. On the other hand, I can easily imagine Iris in a relationship with . She seems like exactly the type of woman he needs: kind, caring, and not a high-maintenance model. There's also the fact that loud, obnoxious, immature Larry reminds me a lot of young Phoenix and he could live with her at Hazakura Temple working as an artist. I can see Larry painting portraits of the tourists and working on picture books while Iris continues working with spirit mediums and the like. They just seem to fit together much better than Phoenix/Iris IMO.

Author:	flames05 [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:00 am ]
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/ ... klavier deserves better, at least someone not so i-failed-my-tests-so-i'm-being-bitchy-to-everyone-else-unless-you-talk-about-what-I-like-or-else-i-treat-you-like-crap. to take up a more generic category of the word incest, assuming that same blood line sex is incest, just because two are in love and are a couple doesn't necessarily mean sex is involved. besides, social morals and laws are there to protect humans, the whole theory behind incest aversion is to avoid children who, by being a result of two sets of the same genes, the bad parts in those genes gets magnified through the child which is not optimal for general human evolution, and also painful for the child who likely has genetic defects by birth. so technically, if no child is produced, then incest is not harmful to society and should then not be outlawed nor looked down upon.

Author:	Jean Descole [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:16 am ]
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Caelestis wrote: / ~Daryan seemed to really hate Klavier at that case. And look at my first argument for why Klavier couldn't work I just figure Daryan's too busy stroking...something. Edited because I can't seem to read today.

Author:	Croik [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:31 am ]
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Reemokisu wrote: The main reason is this: I can't imagine where they would live together. As odd a reason as this may seem, I can't picture Phoenix leaving LA and giving up his dream of defending people to be with Iris and I honestly think it would be very selfish of her if she were to ask that of him. Not that that's a problem by AJ anyway. Oops! Though honestly, I agree with you guys here. I think Phoenix and Iris would be good together, except after T&T it doesn't seem like a possibility. The writers almost seem to go out of their way to indicate as such, considering they've released art after art of Phoenix and his friends, and none of them include her. As of right now, even Hammond has more official art than Iris! The fact that it would have been very easy for them to be a couple, and it didn't happen, is kind of what turns me off to the ship in general.

Author:	Franzise Deauxnim [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:39 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Your least favorite PW pairings
Well, to be fair... Spoiler: 3-5 Phoenix's other friends didn't spend virtually their entire in-game appearance in jail, either.

Author:	Trench Kamen [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Your least favorite PW pairings
Lola wrote: icer wrote: -Phoenix/Iris Spoiler: Why I personally don't like Phoenix x Iris after 3-5. 3-5 spoilers Apart from much evidence implied by the writers this pairing has no real future, I personally dislike the idea of this pairing due to this reason. One of Phoenix's signature and endearing character traits is his devotion and loyalty to his friends. He goes through law school to save Edgeworth because he doesn't believe the Edgeworth he knew in 4th grade is really the Demon Prosecutor inside and believes in him when Edgeworth himself thinks he's a murderer. He runs across a burning bridge to try to save Maya and utterly believes in her innocence despite damning evidence against her the 3 times she's accused of murder. And he eats a poisoned bottle and believes utterly in Iris' innocence, even 5 years later, despite the fact 'she' is found guilty of murder with all evidence pointing to her. So, how do the recipients of such extreme devotion and loyalty reciprocate? Edgeworth develops a mutual trust and respect for Phoenix and rushes to his aid in his time of need in 2-4 and again in 3-5. He's so concerned for his friend he charters a private jet in the middle of the night to rush back from overseas, and riskily masquerades as a defense attorney for his sake. Maya is clearly just as devoted to Phoenix as he is to her, taking a taser for him, knowingly being jailed for contempt of court to save the trial, willingly sacrificing herself and imploring him to get Engarde a guilty verdict and not compromise his morals and career, instead of saving her, etc. Iris develops a love for Phoenix but her loyalty is still given priority to her sister, who wants to murder him. The loyalty she develops to Phoenix is not strong enough for her to act upon in any way which might compromise her sister, therefore she does not save or warn Phoenix in any way. 5 years later, she has another chance to prove her loyalty. But, again, any loyalty to Phoenix is compromised too much by her continued loyalty to her sister to do anything effective to warn or protect him. The bandaid measure of a demon-warding hood is just not sufficient. Phoenix is still loyal to Iris as a person 5 years later. Iris, for her part, still is overpowered too much by her conflicting loyalty to her sister - Phoenix's attempted murderer - to choose to do anything meaningful to protect him. I feel that Phoenix, who is so loyal and devoted to his friends, deserves someone who will display at least a reasonable reciprocal devotion and loyalty to him, not one which is compromised by continuing loyalty to someone who wants to kill him. Therefore, Iris does not fit the bill. [Now don't think I hate Iris, because I don't, I think she's a lovely person - but all those Dahlia/Iris fanfics seem more reasonable than future Phoenix/Iris.] I completely agree with everything you said about Iris. I dislike Phoenix/Iris more than any other Phoenix pairing (I can't see him with anyone besides Edgeworth). I think you and I would get along very well. Reemokisu wrote: On the other hand, I can easily imagine Iris in a relationship with . That WOULD be adorable. I could see them working very well together.

Author:	The Doctor [ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Your least favorite PW pairings
MoronSonOfBoron wrote: Oos wrote: Same with Kristoph/Viola crack pairing I beg your pardon? MoronSonOfBoron wrote: On that note, Furio/Viola is on my hatelist. Poor Viola! D: But this I completely agree to. And my other least favorite pairing is Kristoph/Dahlia.

Author:	Eleanore [ Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Your least favorite PW pairings
Franzise Deauxnim wrote: Well, to be fair... Spoiler: 3-5 Phoenix's other friends didn't spend virtually their entire in-game appearance in jail, either. Well, considering Hammond gets more official art you'd think that'd be the least issue. And for myself, I think anything that could be said about not liking the Phoenix/Iris pairing have been said. Another pairing I just can't stand is x It's just too creepy and destructive. Kristoph just freaks me out in general and give me a really bad gut-feeling. I guess I don't like hate-pairings in general though.