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Author:  Duclis [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:15 am ]
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Poor Payne :C
Author:  Oos [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:39 am ]
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jkiddingXD wrote:
:bellboy: or :payne: or :flowsers: / ANYONE is just wrong esp. :chef: i think his face would scary almost everyone away


What? The Bellboy?!

....

you have no soul. Truly no soul. I'm disgusted ; ;
Author:  Nagi [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:54 am ]
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Oos wrote:
jkiddingXD wrote:
:bellboy: or :payne: or :flowsers: / ANYONE is just wrong esp. :chef: i think his face would scary almost everyone away


What? The Bellboy?!

....

you have no soul. Truly no soul. I'm disgusted ; ;

:bellboy:'s need love too

You my friend, fail...but you are entitled to your opinion...

Kind of like I am entitled to mine that :phoenix: / :edgeworth: = least favorite
Author:  Trench Kamen [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:55 am ]
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Durp wrote:
(Witty Name Here) wrote:
Aw, but Payne needs love. ;_;


But he has love D: IIRC he said he had a wife in the game.


This doesn't necessarily imply 'love'.
Author:  Duclis [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:32 pm ]
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^ I guess it doesn't. D:
Author:  The Doctor [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:35 pm ]
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:sadshoe: Poor Payne. Why can't Payne be happy?

I've taken a liking to him after reading The Golden Gavel.
Author:  Trench Kamen [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:16 am ]
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I wonder if he's unhappy because he's a jerk, or if he's a jerk because he's unhappy.
Author:  Duclis [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:20 am ]
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The second one.
Author:  DahliaXKristoph [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:19 pm ]
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:phoenix: X :maya:

*Dodges kitchen sink*

I just don't...see it...
Author:  Saikune [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:26 pm ]
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DahliaXKristoph wrote:
:phoenix: X :maya:

*Dodges kitchen sink*

I just don't...see it...

High-five!
I don't see it either. :P
Author:  Duclis [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:45 pm ]
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I got some new ones for my DO NOT WANT list :C

:garyuu: / :kyouya: - when it's portrayed as Kristoph abusing him :C That makes me cry inside bothers me. Otherwise I don't really mind it :/

:phoenix: / :edgeworth: - Even though I like the stuff of it in the game..

:hobohodo: / :odoroki: - I have no idea why but this has grossed me out since I beat AJ o____o; I used to like it before I did!

:kyouya: / :odoroki: - No :C

:onamida: / :that-b-word: - wtf was Dahlia thinking even though me and my sister joke about this one all the time.

:gant: / :phoenix: - FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF it doesn't help that most of the time I see this they make Phoenix underage DX
Author:  Gil [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:14 pm ]
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:phoenix: / :maya:
:phoenix: / :pearl:
:phoenix: / :ema:
:phoenix: / :franny:
:edgeworth: / :maya:
:edgeworth: / :franny:

I'm pretty typical.

I think the only one I'm really, really fond of as of yet is :phoenix: / :edgeworth:.

-shot-
Author:  Gil [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:59 pm ]
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Yanno, people keep listing :karma: / :edgeworth: , but I looked, and I couldn't actually FIND any.

Has anyone seen some? It might be a fun challenge. O: Sick and twisted, but...that's the way I roll.
Author:  SaraLily [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:08 pm ]
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I really don't like the Phoenix X Iris pairing....I don't know why...Besides that, I don't mind the other pairings.
Author:  Bletz [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:46 am ]
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My dislikes are really set on ones like: :phoenix: / :edgy: :zenitora: / :uramidn:

Runners up are: :phoenix: / :maya: :phoenix: / :franny: .

Those are meh thoughts.. ayup. :yogi:
Author:  Jean Descole [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:43 am ]
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SaraLily wrote:
I really don't like the Phoenix X Iris pairing....I don't know why...Besides that, I don't mind the other pairings.


I think :sick: x :ayame: were cute. Five years ago. Yes, even though it was forced and full of deception.

But :phoenix: x :ayame: just don't do it for me. Phoenix changed a LOT over the course of five years. Yes, there was a bit of lingering pain, but I think the only reason he would need to revisit the relationship was for closure. To clear up the Dahlia thing.

Then again, he supposedly was checking her out in the GS3 ending, so who the heck knows. I personally don't see the relationship going anywhere, but I'm sure they could still be friends.
Author:  Duclis [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:54 am ]
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I remembered another one :C

:edgeworth: / :franny: It's not because I consider them siblings (lol wtf's wrong with me), I just can't see it happen without it becoming like a huge trainwreck... and not the awesome kind that I like.

But idk.
Author:  Eleanore [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:14 am ]
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Gil wrote:
Yanno, people keep listing :karma: / :edgeworth: , but I looked, and I couldn't actually FIND any.

Has anyone seen some? It might be a fun challenge. O: Sick and twisted, but...that's the way I roll.


I think I've seen one crack fanart of it, but generally I guess it's just the fact that people shudder at just the thought of it.
I really, really don't think von Karma would do something so low, never. Ugh, but this is just one of those pairings that would bother me to no end, but everyone has a right to their crack ^^;
Author:  Annegata [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:07 am ]
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Adrian in black wrote:
SaraLily wrote:
I really don't like the Phoenix X Iris pairing....I don't know why...Besides that, I don't mind the other pairings.


I think :sick: x :ayame: were cute. Five years ago. Yes, even though it was forced and full of deception.

But :phoenix: x :ayame: just don't do it for me. Phoenix changed a LOT over the course of five years. Yes, there was a bit of lingering pain, but I think the only reason he would need to revisit the relationship was for closure. To clear up the Dahlia thing.

Then again, he supposedly was checking her out in the GS3 ending, so who the heck knows. I personally don't see the relationship going anywhere, but I'm sure they could still be friends.

OH MY YES. My sentiments exactly, except yours are less rambling and all-over-the-place.
Author:  Scarf [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:41 pm ]
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I dislike :phoenix: / :edgeworth: - Dispite all of this "subtext" fans are talking about, I just don't see it. They're more like good friends to me.

:phoenix: / :franny: - She drew on the card, and helped you out from time to time, but I'm not feeling the love here either.

:kyouya: / :sassy: - Where does this come from? She doesn't even like him.

:hobohodo: / :garyuu: - This has always been "Do not want" for me. To me, Kristoph doesn't seem like the type to even desire a lover. He'd probably just
Spoiler:
Continue to look out for no one but himself, and just use Phoenix.


:franny: / :maya: - I've never seen the love in this pairing. It seems like it was just made up to offset fangirls' PxE desires, and I really can't see it working out.

:phoenix: / :ayame: - Years ago, it could have worked. Not so much in the game.
Author:  et91 [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:15 pm ]
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I dislike

:phoenix:/ :maya: Only in Pearl's mind should this actually be considered a pairing. Its more of a brother/sister relationship then anything

:phoenix:/ :edgeworth: I honestly don't see where this comes from at all. I mean they trust each other? Don't you trust your best friend? And Edgeworth doing what "Wright would do" when SPOILERS he's a defense attorney in 3-5 END SPOILERS, is more of a thing that he knows Wright obviously knows what he's doing, so obviously he's emulating that.

:edgeworth:/ :franny: Again, this is more of a brother/sister relationship then anything
Author:  Johnny Rotan [ Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:58 am ]
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:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
Only one i can think of atm (dives into bomb shelter)
Author:  et91 [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:03 pm ]
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:phoenix: / :edgeworth: - You can have a very close friendship without being in love you know

:phoenix: / :maya: and :edgeworth: / :franny: - I put both of these together, because I see them both the same way. They're more of a sibling relationship then anything

:chinami: / :kyouya: -Mostly because I support :kyouya:/ :karma: and :mattphone: / :chinami:
Author:  The Doctor [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:14 pm ]
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GOD I FUCKING HATE KRISTOPH/DAHLIA
Author:  Fraulein [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:18 pm ]
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:odoroki: / :minuki: , :garyuu: / :chinami: , and :kyouya: / :garyuu:


Spoiler: AJ case 4-4
It would be a different story if Trucy and Apollo weren't siblings.


Klavier and Kristoph is just creepy, in my opinion. *shot*

And Dahlia/Kristoph is too evil for my liking. *shot again*
Author:  SharpCookies [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:41 pm ]
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:franny: / Anyone - I have absolutely no idea why, but I can't really see her with anyone. Some Phoenix and Franny fanart was cute, but besides that... she doesn't seem like the relationship kind of gal. *shrugs*

:kyouya: / :garyuu: - Usually, I like incest if both characters are really, really hot/it sort of works. But I don't see it for them. Kristoph is just too much of a bastard.

:gant: / Anyone - ...I'm not fond of rape. XD

And that is all for now. *bows*
Author:  Szabu [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:55 pm ]
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:phoenix: x :edgeworth: for all the following reasons:

1:
They are NOT gay. I mean Phoenix had Iris and it was canon, Phoenix x Mia was strongly hinted, Phoenix x Maya is semi-canon and Phoenix already looked at quite a few girls (Dessie comes to my mind). Edgeworth, although not having a canon romantic relationship, he is just not gay. I don't say it because I ship Edgey x Franny, but because he doesn't act gay. At all. What's so gay about him?

2:
It's way too popular. I don't even see the reason. I didn't even think about such a random and stupid pairing until I came to this site. It's simply baseless. The only base is some kind of weird fangirl thinking "Edgey's so hot. Phoenix is hot too. Together they'll be hot, so I ship them." It's simply wrong. I mean, Maya x Franny would be hot too, but I don't ship them either, because it makes no sense.

3:
It's so popular that it's everywhere. Even in the cute couples thread which is supposed to be a thread for work safe pics. Even in deviantart when I was searching "Miles Edgeworth" about 20% of the pics were gay stuff.

4:
Phoenix x Edgey shippers hate Maya. I love Maya. Put these two together :)

5:
I hate this "OMG close friends = gays" stuff. It's like in Rocky 3 a lot of stupid idiots screamed "OMG Rocky and Apollo are gays!". I mean come on, they just gave each other a friendly hug and they both had wives and families. Have you never hugged anybody other than your love?

6:
Evidence of Edgey not being gay. I don't want any of you to agree with this, but it's interesting. I know 2 girls who say "Gayness kills manliness. Gays are smily not manly. They are just not attractive." Yet they both madly love Edgey.

7: The creators didn't intend it. And after game one when they realized how popular it became (despite being baseless) they even hinted the opposite several times in games 2 and 3. Same goes for the Edgey x Gumshoe pairing.
Author:  Saile [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:09 pm ]
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Hmm now I do like Phoenix x Edgeworth but I don't have a real reason to, I just do so I won't argue with anybody on that but these two points;;

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1:
They are NOT gay. I mean Phoenix had Iris and it was canon, Phoenix x Mia was strongly hinted, Phoenix x Maya is semi-canon and Phoenix already looked at quite a few girls (Dessie comes to my mind). Edgeworth, although not having a canon romantic relationship, he is just not gay. I don't say it because I ship Edgey x Franny, but because he doesn't act gay. At all. What's so gay about him?


I know somebody who is gay and the only way I knew that he was, was because of the way he acted around his dogs ._. It's not like you NEED to act like Armstrong when you're gay or something

Quote:
4:
Phoenix x Edgey shippers hate Maya. I love Maya. Put these two together :)


...I ship P/E But I love Maya? Haha.

Anyway
The pairings I don't really like (I don't hate any so yeahh...These are just my least favourite) are

:phoenix: x :ayame:

Why? because it's done. Even though Iris actually had something with Phoenix, this was in college, get over it, they're not getting together later on, even though I agree it's cute.

:hobohodo: x :garyuu:

I don't understand this one xD; The only way I can like it is in like...An AU way, but not for real.

I'd give better arguments but I think this tells enough.
Author:  Szabu [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:27 pm ]
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Saile wrote:
I know somebody who is gay and the only way I knew that he was, was because of the way he acted around his dogs ._. It's not like you NEED to act like Armstrong when you're gay or something


Still, Phoenix is clearly not gay. It can maximum be a one-sided love like Adrian x Franziska.

Saile wrote:
...I ship P/E But I love Maya? Haha.


Well, you are on of the very few exceptions. Most P/E fans I know hate Maya. And Iris too.

By the way, I ship both Phoenix x Iris, Phoenix x Mia and Phoenix x Maya, but not at the same time.
In my headcanon (i love this word) until 3-1, it was Phoenix x Iris.
From sometime after 3-1 to before 1-2 it was Phoenix and Mia.
And after that, Maya was Phoenix's love interest.

In general, I don't mind any pairings that make sense with the story and not contradict it (like Klavier and Ema). P/E doesn't make sense in my opinion.
Author:  SharpCookies [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:33 pm ]
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Szabu, you are intitled to your opinion. But the supposed 'absolutes' you point out in your arguement are flawed.

There is no definite proof if Phoenix and Edgeworth are gay or not. And even with that, most fangirls know that they are not canon gay, but we like the idea of them being gay and with eachother. If we ever say they are, it's either speculation or we're just joking.

Most shippers have reasons to like the pairing. I believe it's not at 'baseless' as you seem to think. Though I will agree it may be more popular than it should; different couple shippers should have equal oppourtunity to see good fanart/read good fanfiction too.

The cute couples thread was for that, cute couples. Are you saying that gay couples aren't cute? Or just Phoenix and Edgeworth?

I REALLY disagree with this 'fact' that Phoenix/Edgeworth shippers hate Maya. You have no proof whatsoever of this. I have talked to fellow Phoenix/Edgeworth shippers before, and not one of them have mentioned hating Maya or any female characters. Besides, there is also no absolute facts that Phoenix and Maya could be a couple either. They could just be friends.

Not all close friends are gay; that is obvious. However, why does that have to be one of the main reasons we enjoy Phoenix/Edgeworth? Why does that even have to be a factor in this matter?

And of course Capcom didn't intend it. I don't think they intended any couples in PW except the married ones and Phoenix/Iris five years ago. Doesn't mean we can't like it.

So, I'm sorry for arguing but I had to get this off my chest. You didn't really have to go on this whole big rant on why you don't like them. You could have just said, 'I don't really like Phoenix and Edgeworth together' and leave it at that.

And, to be on topic, I don't see :garyuu: / :hobohodo: . Just doesn't work for me. *shrugs*
Author:  Szabu [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:47 pm ]
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For some reason, I like arguing about things like this. Feels like a trial.
Obviously, only arguing, without insulting each other, but... whatever.
Ranting is more fun than just saying "I don't like Phoenix x Edgey".

SharpCookies wrote:
The cute couples thread was for that, cute couples. Are you saying that gay couples aren't cute? Or just Phoenix and Edgeworth?


Well, I certainly don't find gay couples cute, but that's not the point. The point is the very first post in the cute couples thread. Let it speak for itself:

Quote:
Guys, this idea pop'd out when i saw...
The Yuri( :franny: x :adrian: ) thread.
The Yaoi (most :phoenix: x :edgeworth: )Thread.
And the Hentai Thread.

For some reasons, nsfw isn't for me, but, there's one thing that i really love...
CUTE COUPLES!
So yeah, if we have 3 nsfw threads, why we can't have a thread about cute couples?
Not just Shoujo-ai and Shonen-ai, every type of couples!
Yes, :adrian: x :shoe: too!

In simple words: a thread when we can post cute images(nothing NSFW) about the GS couples :pearl:


About the evidence (not decisive tho) about Nick x Maya, that's another topic which i don't wanna talk about. I don't dislike Phoenix x Edgey because it contradicts Phoenix x Maya, I'd dislike it even if Maya didn't exist.
Author:  Trench Kamen [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:22 pm ]
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Szabu wrote:
They are NOT gay. I mean Phoenix had Iris and it was canon, Phoenix x Mia was strongly hinted, Phoenix x Maya is semi-canon and Phoenix already looked at quite a few girls (Dessie comes to my mind). Edgeworth, although not having a canon romantic relationship, he is just not gay. I don't say it because I ship Edgey x Franny, but because he doesn't act gay. At all. What's so gay about him?


Gentlemen, behold. Henceforth, to be gay, you must act as the stereotype. It is not as though I have several male friends who defy every 'gay' stereotype, have never spoken with a lisp or had a limp wrist, could care less about their appearance and loathe the idea of structuring their identity around their sexual orientation (no rainbow flags here), and yet, are gayer than Easter bonnets. I'd bet you know quite a few gay gentlemen and lesbian ladies, but are unaware of this because they do not set off your rather superficial gaydar.

Szabu wrote:
Phoenix x Edgey shippers hate Maya. I love Maya. Put these two together :)

False dilemma, my friend. I am an avid P/E shipper and I adore Maya. Yes, there are yaoi fangirls who turn jealousy or the threat of any female into hatred, but really, they're just being silly. Stupidity is an equal-opportunity employer.

Szabu wrote:
I know 2 girls who say "Gayness kills manliness. Gays are smily not manly. They are just not attractive." Yet they both madly love Edgey.


.... :nick:

Well. Two girls, huh. By a factor of 1.5 billion, they speak for the entire heterosexual female demographic.

Also, the circular reasoning and faulty sampling inherent in this assertion is rather staggering. I would like to return to the point that stereotypical gay behavior may be a turn-off for many women, but that is only for gay men who embody society's stereotype and trappings. Let's recall the case of Ian McKellen, shall we? He's gayer than sunshine and rainbows, and quite the man's man, no pun intended.

And, though I stand alone as only one bisexual woman, I have found myself attracted to (openly flaming flamboyant fabulous) gay men, as have many of my fully heterosexual sisters.

------------------------

Your arguments are all inherently flawed. I say this not because I am a P/E shipper and wish to flame you, but your logic and understanding of the complexity of human sexuality is rather disappointing. I have had intelligent arguments with many anti-P/E shippers, and I have had good points made to me. Those I have no argument with. However, the constant "Edgy is not gay because he doesn't act gay" argument enrages me. You are expecting every homosexual man to embody the insipid stereotype presented to us in sitcoms. It is a stereotype as insipid and insulting as blackface skits from the 1930s. Yes, many people do embody a stereotype--many people adopt it as a social signaling mechanism, and I have said herd mentality and stupidity is an equal-opportunity employer--but that is by far not everybody. The intelligent and independent of any demographic will tell you this.

The jury is out on both men. Yes, Phoenix is attracted to women--I acknowledge that and embrace that dimension of his sexuality--but he may also be attracted to men. It is quite possible. And before you say that bisexuality is the reserve of adolescent girls trying to be trendy, I personally have befriended men in their twenties who are quite comfortably bisexual.

Wham, bam, thank you sir. :youngmia:
Author:  Trench Kamen [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:27 pm ]
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Double post. Move along.
Author:  Szabu [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:12 pm ]
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Well, okay.
I understand your arguments.

Call me homophobic, but I still don't like the idea of them being gay.
You know, when i play a game like Ace Attorney, i like to be one with the protagonist (unless s/he is an idiot like Luneth in FF3 or evil like Marche in FFTA), and with Phoenix it was a really easy job, since out thinking and manner of speech are similar in many ways (especially when it comes to those sarcastic comments). And I just... again, call me homophobic, but I'm disgusted about gayness.
I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, and I have 2 gay friends, but I just hate seeing it.
Especially when it comes to the characters I really like (like Phoenix and Edgeworth).
Yeah, it's not a general argument against P/E, it's just one of the main reasons I dislike it.
Author:  craaaaaaaaaaaazy!! [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:32 pm ]
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hmmmm.....lets see what about :grossburg: and :franny:
(hope i dont get whipped) xD
Author:  Felice [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:40 pm ]
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Crack pairings in general just aren't my thing. ^^ Just not something I'm into at all.

:phoenix: / :edgeworth: is a specific one I don't care for.

As are :edgeworth: / :franny: and :phoenix: / :maya: .

(And man, the idea that a pairing - any pairing, not just PW - being het means the couple is automatically functional, sunshine & daisies, and thus boring, is just plain laughable. Hilarious, even. Because of how untrue it is. XD)
Author:  Porter Justice [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:30 pm ]
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:garyuu: :kyouya:

snuff said
Author:  Duclis [ Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:53 pm ]
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Fraulein wrote:
And Dahlia/Kristoph is too evil for my liking. *shot again*


I don't like it because it isn't evil ENOUGH for me. :C

WTF @ ME.
Author:  Trench Kamen [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:04 am ]
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Szabu wrote:
Well, okay.
I understand your arguments.

Call me homophobic, but I still don't like the idea of them being gay.
You know, when i play a game like Ace Attorney, i like to be one with the protagonist (unless s/he is an idiot like Luneth in FF3 or evil like Marche in FFTA), and with Phoenix it was a really easy job, since out thinking and manner of speech are similar in many ways (especially when it comes to those sarcastic comments). And I just... again, call me homophobic, but I'm disgusted about gayness.
I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, and I have 2 gay friends, but I just hate seeing it.
Especially when it comes to the characters I really like (like Phoenix and Edgeworth).
Yeah, it's not a general argument against P/E, it's just one of the main reasons I dislike it.


((Marche was evil? I must have missed that.))

And hey, if you don't like P/E just because you use Phoenix as an avatar and you yourself are not gay, that's perfectly fine. That in-of-itself is more than enough explanation. Hell, even if you just didn't like the vibe you got from the pairing, that is fine too.

What is not fine is trying to back up what is essentially a gut feeling and you placing yourself in Phoenix's position with flawed arguments and fractured, circular logic.

And disliking the pairing or not getting a gay vibe off a character does not make you homophobic; that in-of-itself is a gross simplification of the evaluation of character sexuality. If you yourself ARE homophobic, then that right there explains why you don't like the idea of the pairing.

tl;dr version: Just admitting that you don't like the pairing because you just don't is fine; using flawed arguments to try to make your reasoning look logical, canonical, and psychologically-accurate is not.
Author:  icer [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:44 pm ]
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Szabu wrote:
:phoenix: x :edgeworth: for all the following reasons:

Spoiler: post
1:
They are NOT gay. I mean Phoenix had Iris and it was canon, Phoenix x Mia was strongly hinted, Phoenix x Maya is semi-canon and Phoenix already looked at quite a few girls (Dessie comes to my mind). Edgeworth, although not having a canon romantic relationship, he is just not gay. I don't say it because I ship Edgey x Franny, but because he doesn't act gay. At all. What's so gay about him?

2:
It's way too popular. I don't even see the reason. I didn't even think about such a random and stupid pairing until I came to this site. It's simply baseless. The only base is some kind of weird fangirl thinking "Edgey's so hot. Phoenix is hot too. Together they'll be hot, so I ship them." It's simply wrong. I mean, Maya x Franny would be hot too, but I don't ship them either, because it makes no sense.

3:
It's so popular that it's everywhere. Even in the cute couples thread which is supposed to be a thread for work safe pics. Even in deviantart when I was searching "Miles Edgeworth" about 20% of the pics were gay stuff.

4:
Phoenix x Edgey shippers hate Maya. I love Maya. Put these two together :)

5:
I hate this "OMG close friends = gays" stuff. It's like in Rocky 3 a lot of stupid idiots screamed "OMG Rocky and Apollo are gays!". I mean come on, they just gave each other a friendly hug and they both had wives and families. Have you never hugged anybody other than your love?

6:
Evidence of Edgey not being gay. I don't want any of you to agree with this, but it's interesting. I know 2 girls who say "Gayness kills manliness. Gays are smily not manly. They are just not attractive." Yet they both madly love Edgey.

7: The creators didn't intend it. And after game one when they realized how popular it became (despite being baseless) they even hinted the opposite several times in games 2 and 3. Same goes for the Edgey x Gumshoe pairing.



1. Nothing to imply that Edgeworth isn't gay [or for that matter, asexual.] He's never shown any kind of interest in females during the games [Quote Larry: 'Come on Edgey! You were a guy once!"] However, there's nothing conclusive to imply he isn't straight or bisexual either.
As for Phoenix, well it's obvious even from 1-2 he's not gay, but nothing to suggest he couldn't be bisexual or 'gay for Edgeworth'[-> most likely, in the context of this pairing being true?]

2. It's a very attractive pairing [probably moreso to females I guess.] with an extremely touching backstory. Also, it does in fact have a lot of basis, unlike some yaoi pairings of wish or convinience [I mean Apollo and Klavier? They barely even seem friends!]. There are plenty of alternate, platonic explanations for their mutual behaviour, and the writers I'm pretty sure did not intend to imply any romance between Phoenix/Edgeworth in game 1 [or 2, 1-5 and game 3 may have had some random token fanservice?], but it's not an unreasonable premise.

4. While it's true I have read some P/E fanfics portraying Maya as an immature irritating parasite which Phoenix barely tolerates, (all very OOC) I'm sure these are only a small minority subset of the P/E shippers. Likely these same people disliked Maya even if they weren't shipping P/E (?). Though I'll grant you some of them seem to actively dislike the Phoenix/Maya pairing?

7. That reference in 1-5 to Gumshoe getting a nosebleed over Edgeworth's office - uh.. I think they were having fun cultivating crackish ships in that case...

As for that similar (now locked) rant thread, I'll just mention that most people don't object to the Phoenix/Iris pairing after 3-5 because they saw him with Edgeworth, but because they think that the writers heavily implied that the pairing had no future and was over. [Not impossible - but definitely implied as extremely unlikely and not canon.]
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