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| Author: | Yuna [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:30 pm ] |
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 /  - So not meant for each other on the inside... / with anyone - This perverted old man (I'm not sure if he's even old xD) doesn't even deserve to have a girlfriend/boyfriend. / - So weird... /  - Maya isn't A LOT younger than Phoenix, but she's too immature for him...
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| Author: | KHF [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:22 am ] |
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/  Just... how? But it's more the fans that insist it's canon that annoy me more then anything. /  Again, how? /  Don't like the pairing, but I do enjoy some of the pics   / You get it by now: Just how? /  Although I think Klavier might be a bit gay, I really don't think Apollo is. /  Just nasty... / : Spoiler: Huge GS4/AJ spoiler /  Does not compute! Sorry, but I really don't see where people got this one from. I really don't see it working.But as I said, it's more the fans that insist that they're canon that annoy me more then anything. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
I don't like the Edgey/Phoenix one, theres no evidence for it, it assumes guys can't have a close trusting friendship without being gay and for all the fangirls who believe they can't I suggest they check out the song "Guy Love" from Scrubs. |
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| Author: | Holly Quinn [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:28 pm ] |
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This topic is brilliant, by the way. x She's young and immature, and the two of them obviously have a very close bond of friendship, but I never saw it as anything more than that. x POOR, POOR GUMSHOE. x It's an adorable little girl's crush. Nothing more. x  What is with you people and hateshipping? x Do I need to say it? x  I like it on the basis of OMG SO CUTE!, but...I just can't see it working. Sorry, Larry. x  Jake belongs with  . I know it, you know it, the American people know it... x  Spoiler: Case 2-4 As a side note: I love both x and x . I think they're both cute, realistic, and supported to a degree by canon.And yes, I LOVE x . Sue me. :]
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| Author: | Pierre [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Holly Quinn wrote: This topic is brilliant, by the way. x She's young and immature, and the two of them obviously have a very close bond of friendship, but I never saw it as anything more than that. x POOR, POOR GUMSHOE. x It's an adorable little girl's crush. Nothing more. x What is with you people and hateshipping? x Do I need to say it? x I like it on the basis of OMG SO CUTE!, but...I just can't see it working. Sorry, Larry. x Jake belongs with . I know it, you know it, the American people know it... x Spoiler: Case 2-4 As a side note: I love both x and x . I think they're both cute, realistic, and supported to a degree by canon.And yes, I LOVE x . Sue me. :]I'd like to know how x is at all supported by canon.I know it was barely touched upon but I think x would be kinda cute....it's clear wears the pants in that relationship 
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| Author: | Trench Kamen [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:30 pm ] |
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Herr Blondie wrote: I don't like the Edgey/Phoenix one, theres no evidence for it, it assumes guys can't have a close trusting friendship without being gay and for all the fangirls who believe they can't I suggest they check out the song "Guy Love" from Scrubs. Not necessarily. The fact that somebody ships a yaoi pairing does not imply that the person has no awareness of the power of a platonic friendship. Fangirls who cannot understand that are ignorant of the full spectrum of human relationships, period. The flipside of that is the appreciation that there ARE homosexual relationships out there that begin as a strong friendship. Love is friendship set on fire, after all. There are multiple yaoi pairings I find annoying because the men involved do not set off my gaydar/I feel no sexual tension. J.D. and Turk would be one of those, ironically enough. To those who say there is no evidence of Phoenix/Edgeworth: I challenge you to pretend either of them is a woman. Their story starts to resemble a classical romance. Then the evidence starts to pile up. I also challenge Phoenix/Maya shippers to pretend Maya is a man; you would have the same plethora of people asserting, suddenly, that there is 'no evidence' of their relationship. There is a great deal of assumption of heteronormativity. I say this not to discredit either relationship, but to ask people to check their perspective and assumptions and evaluation of what constitutes 'evidence'. No, I am not saying Phoenix/Edgeworth is canon. It's not. I acknowledge that. I merely see the potential for it to be an amazing romance. |
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| Author: | Skuly [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:40 pm ] |
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/ : Sorry, don't see it myself. Fangirls get all these "facts" and stuff from the games, but I just don't see it. I mean, Phoenix/Larry makes more sense. And it's cuter. ...Oh god, I'm turning into a fangirl. D: / : Back when I was a n00b, I supported this couple to annoy all the Phoenix / Miles fangirls. But now I look back... yeah. It sucks. / anyone: Do I need tah say it?
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| Author: | Pierre [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Trench Kamen wrote: Herr Blondie wrote: I don't like the Edgey/Phoenix one, theres no evidence for it, it assumes guys can't have a close trusting friendship without being gay and for all the fangirls who believe they can't I suggest they check out the song "Guy Love" from Scrubs. Not necessarily. The fact that somebody ships a yaoi pairing does not imply that the person has no awareness of the power of a platonic friendship. Fangirls who cannot understand that are ignorant of the full spectrum of human relationships, period. The flipside of that is the appreciation that there ARE homosexual relationships out there that begin as a strong friendship. Love is friendship set on fire, after all. There are multiple yaoi pairings I find annoying because the men involved do not set off my gaydar/I feel no sexual tension. J.D. and Turk would be one of those, ironically enough. To those who say there is no evidence of Phoenix/Edgeworth: I challenge you to pretend either of them is a woman. Their story starts to resemble a classical romance. Then the evidence starts to pile up. I also challenge Phoenix/Maya shippers to pretend Maya is a man; you would have the same plethora of people asserting, suddenly, that there is 'no evidence' of their relationship. There is a great deal of assumption of heteronormativity. I say this not to discredit either relationship, but to ask people to check their perspective and assumptions and evaluation of what constitutes 'evidence'. No, I am not saying Phoenix/Edgeworth is canon. It's not. I acknowledge that. I merely see the potential for it to be an amazing romance.[/quote/] Ok I'm pretending Edgeworth is the woman right now as hard as it is but I have a solid fact for you. He isn't therefore the story doesn't start to resemble a classical romance, instead it resembles a friendly understanding, if cold at times, rivalry that develops trust between the two men involved with no romantic notions involved. Even then I'm not sure if it would be a romance...I think one of them might hate the others guts...kinda like Ema and Klavier and there was no evidence of that relationship either. |
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| Author: | Trench Kamen [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Herr Blondie wrote: Ok I'm pretending Edgeworth is the woman right now as hard as it is but I have a solid fact for you. He isn't Oh snap. Herr Blondie wrote: therefore the story doesn't start to resemble a classical romance, instead it resembles a friendly understanding, if cold at times, rivalry that develops trust between the two men involved with no romantic notions involved. I would, again, like to hear a compelling argument that there is absolutely 100% chance Phoenix and Edgeworth are not bisexual or gay. And before you start, please read one of the responses I wrote to Szabu above. Herr Blondie wrote: Even then I'm not sure if it would be a romance...I think one of them might hate the others guts... All right. NOW you are violating canon. Regardless of whether or not their relationship is romantic or sexual, it is well-established that by the third game, at least, the men do care deeply about one another. Edgeworth flies over from Europe to save Phoenix's ass during 3-5, and when there is an earthquake at Kurain, Phoenix is worried about Edgeworth's well-being. Call it platonic or romantic--that is mutual care. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Trench Kamen wrote: Herr Blondie wrote: Ok I'm pretending Edgeworth is the woman right now as hard as it is but I have a solid fact for you. He isn't Oh snap. Herr Blondie wrote: therefore the story doesn't start to resemble a classical romance, instead it resembles a friendly understanding, if cold at times, rivalry that develops trust between the two men involved with no romantic notions involved. I would, again, like to hear a compelling argument that there is absolutely 100% chance Phoenix and Edgeworth are not bisexual or gay. And before you start, please read one of the responses I wrote to Szabu above. Herr Blondie wrote: Even then I'm not sure if it would be a romance...I think one of them might hate the others guts... All right. NOW you are violating canon. Regardless of whether or not their relationship is romantic or sexual, it is well-established that by the third game, at least, the men do care deeply about one another. Edgeworth flies over from Europe to save Phoenix's ass during 3-5, and when there is an earthquake at Kurain, Phoenix is worried about Edgeworth's well-being. Call it platonic or romantic--that is mutual care. Ok heheh I laughed at your first quote of mine and I hunted back, I remember Szabu's arguments and saw your reply. I think he made some valid points but you shot most of them down to the point where he admitted he was a little homophobic well done I stand by the fact that there is absolutely no evidence supporting any relationship with Phoenix. Sure he MAY have been going out with Iris but that was a long.....long time ago personally I didn't think Phoenix seemed too thrilled about it once he discovered the truth. However there is also less evidence to suggest the relationship and care between Phoenix and Edgey is nothing more than platonic strong friendship I was never denying they cared for one another, I thought it was bloody awesome what Edgey did for Phoenix in 3-5 but there is no evidence to suggest he has any romantic feelings. While we are unsure of Edgey's sexuality we know for certain Phoenix is at least interested in girls having had previous relationships and maybe even a little repulsed by homosexuality, think about the big gay chef whose name escapes me now Phoenix seemed pretty repulsed at the man's hints and camp nature so Nick maybe a little Homophobic himself (though personally I found that man repulsive regardless of his sexuality). |
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| Author: | Szabu [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:06 pm ] |
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Herr Blondie wrote: I remember Szabu's arguments and saw your reply. I think he made some valid points but you shot most of them down to the point where he admitted he was a little homophobic well done Well, most of them, which means not all  I gotta admit, in the end, I wrote down everything that came to my mind against the pairing, and on a second thought, some of those arguments really don't hold much water. But some of my points were completely ignored which means they still stand What I'm surprised is why aren't there any Jean x Phoenix supporters. Jean did show interest in Phoenix after all. Well, I'm not that surprised after all. 
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| Author: | Pierre [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:17 pm ] |
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God Forbid Jean and Phoenix *shivers* thats just something I don't wanna think about I hated Jean he was so pathetic an irritating, I hate the gay stereotype. |
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| Author: | Duclis [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:31 pm ] |
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Szabu wrote: What I'm surprised is why aren't there any Jean x Phoenix supporters. There might be. They're just hiding. For every pairing you can think of, there's a chance it could be someone's favorite one ever. :C ok that was lame. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:37 pm ] |
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It's probably very true heh. But for Jean I imagine a Furio Tigre pairing is more likely. The concept of him trying to make it up to him or liking Tigre's control over him (if he's that kinda guy) seems like an obvious connection someone could draw....unfortunately for Jean the Tiger has much better taste. 
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| Author: | Szabu [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:05 pm ] |
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Much like Adrian and Franziska (the way I imagine them). |
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| Author: | (Witty Name Here) [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:19 am ] |
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For the whole Phoenix/Edgeworth debate going on, I'm going to throw a bit of realism out there, which is by no means a reflection of my personal opinion. Of course, I don't like it but I'm viewing this from as neutral a point of view as possible. I believe that a game created largely by men would probably not include a seriously gay or bisexual man. (Jean was there for comic relief, as far as I can tell; more of a parody of a stereotype than anything else) That's the bitter reality of people's attitudes towards homosexuality. While there are many tolerant people out there, they are just not comfortable with infusing the topic into most fiction with a degree of seriousness, save for literature. Video games in particular fall victim to this, as it's largely dominated males. In my own experience--and I don't speak for anyone else here other than myself--I find women to be lot more tolerant of homosexuality than men. On the whole, while people are becoming much more accepting of gays and lesbians, it is still something that people are, sadly enough not comfortable enough with to make mainstream. That is why I think that the creators of the series didn't at all intend for Phoenix or Edgeworth to be gay or bisexual. This post wasn't made to offend anyone, just to bring the likely truth of the matter to light. |
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| Author: | Trench Kamen [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:08 am ] |
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Szabu wrote: Jean did show interest in Phoenix after all. Jean showed interest in a lot of people.  To be honest, I don't think you'd have to be homophobic to be unnerved by Jean coming on to you. Something in the way he comes on to people seems designed to weird anybody out. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:05 am ] |
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Trench Kamen wrote: Szabu wrote: Jean did show interest in Phoenix after all. Jean showed interest in a lot of people. To be honest, I don't think you'd have to be homophobic to be unnerved by Jean coming on to you. Something in the way he comes on to people seems designed to weird anybody out. Too true  Jean seriously tried to pair up with many folks like Godot (noooo) and Nick (nooooo) and probably Edgey if he'd been there (just a hunch since lots of people think he's gay  ) but ironically theres probably very few folk who support Jeanxsomebody . Though honestly he's been the most revolting character I think yet well maybe a close tie with Brushel.
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| Author: | Nadindi [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:49 am ] |
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Personally, I dont see x  Ema just seems to annoyed by Klavi for them to be a couple
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| Author: | Pierre [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:52 am ] |
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Nadindi wrote: Personally, I dont see x Ema just seems to annoyed by Klavi for them to be a couple Yeah I know, cause Ema |
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| Author: | Nadindi [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:37 am ] |
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Herr Blondie wrote: Nadindi wrote: Personally, I dont see x Ema just seems to annoyed by Klavi for them to be a couple Yeah I know, cause Ema True. Personally, for Klavier, his pairing for me is KlaviPollo. But that's just my opinion. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:54 am ] |
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I don't quite think Apollo is cool enough for Klavier  Though Klavier always struck me as a very straight guy 
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| Author: | Nadindi [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:03 pm ] |
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Herr Blondie wrote: I don't quite think Apollo is cool enough for Klavier Though Klavier always struck me as a very straight guy Maybe he's bi? And Apollo is kinda cute, so maybe? There's not evidence for many pairings anyway. I just like to fantasize
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| Author: | Pierre [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:44 pm ] |
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I'm actually a little surprised theres a fanbase for Klavipollo, personally I didn't really think the two developed enough of a connection for the yaoi rumors seeing as the game is practically Phoenix Wright 4 |
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| Author: | Gozu [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:37 pm ] |
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Herr Blondie wrote: I'm actually a little surprised theres a fanbase for Klavipollo, personally I didn't really think the two developed enough of a connection for the yaoi rumors seeing as the game is practically Phoenix Wright 4 there is a huge fanbase for it; it is very evident on LJ. personally i don't see the pairing as much as some people do, but i sure enjoy the fics and doujin :d |
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| Author: | Nadindi [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:55 pm ] |
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Hey, a fangirl can dream, right? On topic - I also don't see / . At all.
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| Author: | Gozu [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:00 pm ] |
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Nadindi wrote: Hey, a fangirl can dream, right? On topic - I also don't see / . At all.yes :> i mean, i LIKE the pairing, i just don't see much in the way of evidence for it like there is with p/e LET'S SEE WHAT PAIRING DO I DISLIKE / - for being stupid and lame. obviously they had a relationship at one point, but that shit ain't gonna fly no more / - no no no no no nick is a big brother to her. just no. / - OH MY GOD / - OH MY GOD AGAIN / - hahaha i think it's funny to be sure, but a real pairing? nothx
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| Author: | Nadindi [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:14 pm ] |
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Gozu wrote: Nadindi wrote: Hey, a fangirl can dream, right? On topic - I also don't see / . At all.yes :> i mean, i LIKE the pairing, i just don't see much in the way of evidence for it like there is with p/e LET'S SEE WHAT PAIRING DO I DISLIKE / - for being stupid and lame. obviously they had a relationship at one point, but that shit ain't gonna fly no more / - no no no no no nick is a big brother to her. just no. / - OH MY GOD / - OH MY GOD AGAIN / - hahaha i think it's funny to be sure, but a real pairing? nothxI agree with EVERYTHING you've said there. PxE has inklings of evidence (OTP!) and nick and maya just are too different from each other. As for Phoenix x Trucy...that's just sick. |
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| Author: | Szabu [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:30 pm ] |
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Nadindi wrote: I agree with EVERYTHING you've said there. PxE has inklings of evidence (OTP!) and nick and maya just are too different from each other. As for Phoenix x Trucy...that's just sick. Actually, Nick x Maya has just as much, if not more "inklings of evidence"... (I think it's more... seriously, when I was playing the games there wasn't a single line that made me wonder if they could possibly have a romantic relationship) On a side note, Ron and Dessie are way too different from each other yet it doesn't stop them to have a good (and canon) relationship. |
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| Author: | Trench Kamen [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:11 pm ] |
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Herr Blondie wrote: Too true Jean seriously tried to pair up with many folks like Godot (noooo) and Nick (nooooo) and probably Edgey if he'd been there (just a hunch since lots of people think he's gay ) but ironically theres probably very few folk who support Jeanxsomebody . Though honestly he's been the most revolting character I think yet well maybe a close tie with Brushel.At least we know Brushel has a clean tongue? That's it. Brushel/Jean OTP. |
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| Author: | Dac [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:12 pm ] |
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| / - Not that I think it's impossible, just... Boring. Cliche. Not enough character development to really make it palatable. That's really the only one I dislike. ( As for one I like:  /  - I know. "Wtf she's like a bajillion years older." But I saw the similarities in them while replaying GS3, especially with the whole 'keeping this image to make children happy' thing. Just an off-the-wall idea.)Scarf wrote: / - She drew on the card, and helped you out from time to time, but I'm not feeling the love here either. OBJECTION! IIRC, it was Maya who drew on the card, not Franny. Spoiler: |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:03 pm ] |
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Trench Kamen wrote: Herr Blondie wrote: Too true Jean seriously tried to pair up with many folks like Godot (noooo) and Nick (nooooo) and probably Edgey if he'd been there (just a hunch since lots of people think he's gay ) but ironically theres probably very few folk who support Jeanxsomebody . Though honestly he's been the most revolting character I think yet well maybe a close tie with Brushel.At least we know Brushel has a clean tongue? That's it. Brushel/Jean OTP. Hahahaha  now there's a pairing I can hate but what does OTP mean?
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| Author: | Szabu [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:13 pm ] |
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Lol I just asked that in the other pairing topic. OTP = One True Pairing |
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| Author: | Felice [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:45 pm ] |
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Nadindi wrote: Ema just seems to annoyed by Klavi for them to be a couple People that think this haven't read/seen enough stories where a romance begins exactly like that, with the principal characters getting off on the wrong foot and then falling in love.  It's not exactly a new trope - in fact, it's pretty danged old. XDGod, Jean Armstrong. XD The difference between him and Brushel was that Jean's creepiness was amusing to me; Brushel just plain nauseated me to LOOK at him. Ugh. *shudders* Nick/Maya used to slightly interest me, but that died down; I like them much more as a more brother/sister type of relationship. I think there's definitely some love involved there, but not of the romantic kind. They clearly care about and trust each other to a great degree, but not in THAT way, and that's just fine with me - I find it more interesting that way, and felt that way way before Iris entered the picture. Nick and Edgey I also like more as friends, it just works better for me that way. If one of them was a woman, I'd still like it more as just friends, but maybe that's a personal bias working here, as I've greatly enjoyed writing - and seeing - strong relationships between a male character and a female character that are strictly platonic. ^^ I like exploring the bonds of friendship in writing just as much as romance, whatever the genders of those involved, so. Yeah. That's my take on it. (Again, I'm certainly NOT homophobic - I gleefully ship Dias and Claude from SO2 with a close friend of mine, and have written some bits of shonen ai about the pair for her, so there goes that theory! XD) Also, Scrubs reference for the WIN! |
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| Author: | crouton [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:10 pm ] |
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Trench Kamen wrote: Herr Blondie wrote: Too true Jean seriously tried to pair up with many folks like Godot (noooo) and Nick (nooooo) and probably Edgey if he'd been there (just a hunch since lots of people think he's gay ) but ironically theres probably very few folk who support Jeanxsomebody . Though honestly he's been the most revolting character I think yet well maybe a close tie with Brushel.At least we know Brushel has a clean tongue? That's it. Brushel/Jean OTP. YES. XD The most revolting couple ever?
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| Author: | Duclis [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:16 pm ] |
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crouton wrote: The most revolting couple ever? No, that would be Sal/anyone. ...Wait what? |
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| Author: | Felice [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:59 pm ] |
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Durp wrote: No, that would be Sal/anyone. Sal/Brushel for the ultimate lose, then. 
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| Author: | crouton [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:47 pm ] |
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Felice wrote: Durp wrote: No, that would be Sal/anyone. Sal/Brushel for the ultimate lose, then. Sal/Brushel/Stickler... OT3? O_o |
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| Author: | Duclis [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:49 pm ] |
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^ Throw in Armstrong. Then it'll be an ot4. ....*hands out brain bleach to all the people who had to read that :C* |
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| Author: | crouton [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:56 pm ] |
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Durp wrote: ^ Throw in Armstrong. Then it'll be an ot4. ....*hands out brain bleach to all the people who had to read that :C* NICE. XD |
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