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Pardon me if a thread like this has already existed before. But playing the game earlier got me to thinking.

Do you have to be open minded to enjoy a game such as this? The concept, content, etc isn't exactly the easiest to swallow.

I've spoken to a large amount of people who don't seem to "get" the idea and concept of the game and what would make it fun.

Then things will slowly go downhill after mentioning some of the characters.

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Perverted doctor, cross dressing chef, perverted old man, Flamboyant Magician, the list goes on.


Obviously to us spikey heads the characters are what make the game, as well as the zany, quirky stories that go along with it all.

But do you think there's a specific mindset that attracts people to this than say...one of the grand theft auto games?

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While I don't think it's required, I think an open mind really helps. One of the reasons it took me so long to actually play the game itself was because I thought it would be too boring ("A lawyer simulation game? Capcom, what were you smoking?"), but... well, the game proved me wrong. The wacky stuff's actually what helped draw me in once I gave the game a chance (that and the awesome characterization and story); I don't think I can say that about everyone I know, though.
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Hmm...Well when my bro told me abot them ages ago i thought they sounded pretty boring ( a laywer game, how boring! I thought) However i was ill so i started playing my brothers JFA game and have been addicted to them ever sinse.

I think that you have to play the games to understand how great they are, if you just decide they're boring and don't even try them then obviously your oppinion won't change, so maybe you do need to be a little open minded to see past the possibility of bordom and play them. whenever i talk (on and on and on) about them to my friends (who don't play the games) they all think the game sounds crap :sadshoe: so they should be more open minded lol (like me hehe)

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I'm not sure about an 'open mind,' but I definitely think it takes a certain kind of humor to enjoy the game and its jokes. I know several people who have played the game and didn't think it was amusing at all, so... yeah.
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I think you're probably more likely to enjoy them if you like the kind of weirdness that they have... if you for some reason play the games wanting them to be realistic, you wouldn't enjoy the spirit medium-related stuff, the things the prosecutors do, and especially not 3-5. When I tell people about the games, it's the bizarre stuff I talk about. I'll be like "You play as a defense attorney, and that sounds like it would be boring, but it's not. You get to cross-examine a parrot, and the main prosecutor in the third game wears a mask that looks like a toaster and drinks 17 cups of coffee per trial, and he also throws coffee mugs at you and the judge is fine with that."

I did think it would be boring at first, back when only the first game was out and it was $60 (if you were lucky) on eBay. But I was curious because everyone was saying it was so good, so I went to Gamefaqs and read one of the huge quote topics that was there and decided it must be an awesome game.
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The open mind thing does help. It goes two ways when I try to explain the games to my friends. Either "too boring" when I just mention the fact that it's a game where you play as a defense attorney (they call it my "lawyer game." which...bah. XD). If, to some of my other friends, I mention the mechanics of the Magatama, they go, "Uh, what? Did they really need to put that in there?"

So, overall, an "open mind" helps. Either that, or you just have to be okay with the fact that craziness will ensue. XP
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Wll, now that I really think on it, the games do require a bit more of an open mind than some others, I mean, the characters are so very quirky, I mean, I tell my Mother about some of the characters. "Oh yes, Herr Edgeworth, he's a very quiet, sort of emoing Prosecutor who wears too much pin- I mean magenta, in his suits." "Yes, Damon Gant is the quirky Chief of Police who ends up *reveals entire case spoiler to my Mother here.*"

Honestly, as long as she doesn't know about the fanworks on Phoenix Wright ((Miles and Phoenix Yaoi, Damon Gant the Rapist, things like that.)) I'd have to say it's safe, really, an open mind is nice for the games, but if you want to be ready to handle some of the crazy things the fans come up with, you better be comfortable with a whole lot. Phoenix Wright's fandom is not for the faint of heart.

But no one ever gets the games when I try to explain them, they ask me at school what PW is about and I start going mad trying to make it sound reasonable. "Well.... you play as a defense attourney, which, sounds strange, I know, but the wacky characters make it so much fun- ack, it's too hard to explain, play for yourself." I make a horrible person to convert people to PWism.

Edit: Also, in your spoiler, it said:
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Perverted old man.


I have to ask, which one are we referring to?
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The heck? It double posted, but...someone else's was inbetween! *look to post two above*


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You need an open mind to start playing any game!

I'd also say that you need an open mind to come up with the solutions to certain problems in this game.
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all these games require is a step by step guide or watching all the parts on youtube. :wellington:

but if your not using those things then yes I agree.
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all these games require is a step by step guide or watching all the parts on youtube. :wellington:

but if your not using those things then yes I agree.

But that takes so much of the fun out if you do the game like that!
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Hum...I don't have the open mind, so I wasn't get any interested in it for a few years. But since my boss has an open mind and she recommended the game to me...well I guess it's O.K.XD
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I'd say. I've been trying to get a friend of mine to play it for the longest time possible. I even written a well written review of the first game, and posted it in a forum he goes to. Most of the replies to the review was "Looks okay, but not something I would like." I simply blame the fact that most people out there judge a book by its cover, or by a review. >_>

I once told him that the end of case 2-2 made me cry a little, and he was actually very surprised to hear that.Ugh. I've made a promise that he'll one day pick up the game and play it, but he still hasn't done so. >_>
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Harra Arial wrote:
Wll, now that I really think on it, the games do require a bit more of an open mind than some others, I mean, the characters are so very quirky, I mean, I tell my Mother about some of the characters. "Oh yes, Herr Edgeworth, he's a very quiet, sort of emoing Prosecutor who wears too much pin- I mean magenta, in his suits." "Yes, Damon Gant is the quirky Chief of Police who ends up *reveals entire case spoiler to my Mother here.*"

Honestly, as long as she doesn't know about the fanworks on Phoenix Wright ((Miles and Phoenix Yaoi, Damon Gant the Rapist, things like that.)) I'd have to say it's safe, really, an open mind is nice for the games, but if you want to be ready to handle some of the crazy things the fans come up with, you better be comfortable with a whole lot. Phoenix Wright's fandom is not for the faint of heart.

But no one ever gets the games when I try to explain them, they ask me at school what PW is about and I start going mad trying to make it sound reasonable. "Well.... you play as a defense attourney, which, sounds strange, I know, but the wacky characters make it so much fun- ack, it's too hard to explain, play for yourself." I make a horrible person to convert people to PWism.

Edit: Also, in your spoiler, it said:
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Perverted old man.


I have to ask, which one are we referring to?


I was referring to the old man who hangs about Vitamin square in "turnabout recipe" He's definitely a kind of perverted!
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I'd say. I've been trying to get a friend of mine to play it for the longest time possible. I even written a well written review of the first game, and posted it in a forum he goes to. Most of the replies to the review was "Looks okay, but not something I would like." I simply blame the fact that most people out there judge a book by its cover, or by a review. >_>

I once told him that the end of case 2-2 made me cry a little, and he was actually very surprised to hear that.Ugh. I've made a promise that he'll one day pick up the game and play it, but he still hasn't done so. >_>



I've rather noticed that it's really hard to get people into Phoenix Wright. I mean, unless they're into Law before you get them to play the games, the first time they hear "Lawyer" they're just like "Um... no, sounds boring."

I'm just really thankful I loved watching Court Shows before playing PW. But really, you have to be open to the idea of a "Lawyer Game" to play it and really enjoy the game.

Galactica, aw, drat it, foiled by my lack of knowledge of the games beyond the first, seems my constant character reading has gotten me nowhere. Thanks for letting me know, I thought you were referring to Gant really, so I just wanted to clarify. ((Although, he's only perverted in the fandoms view.))
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Very well. (I think Hotti would be much more appropriate for that section).



As for the open mind thing:

I really think and open mind would work. Most of the people I talk to, either think:

a.) Lawyer game=ZZZZZZZ (Boredom)

b.) Don't like reading OR thinking hard.

c.) Don't know what the hell it is.

But seriously. The first time I heard of it, I was like the people who chose option 1. I only got into AA last December when I got the whole trilogy for Christmas, just to see how wondeful it was. (Funnily enough, it's the same time I got into Trauma Center, but that's another story.) But with the mentions of murder and such, not many people would relly pick it up and LOOK at it. So open minds are good to have, it's just some people don't have it.
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Well..
I actually only started it when I had exhausted every other game that my brother had XD;;
THEN the dripping blood attracted me <33;;

But yeah, I find it generally hard to get people into it. I talk it about it and they just... stare. So yes, I would definitely say that an open mind is needed. Try new things ;DD
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I liked adventure games so much that the game always interested me.
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I think that, as hard and as frustrating as it is to get people to give the game a chance. I wouldn't necessarily want it to get to Halo heights of popularity.

It's nice having a semi cult game that you can hold dear.

I think the absolute most this game should ever get is more sequels...forever.

And an animated series, maybe :gant:
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I think that, as hard and as frustrating as it is to get people to give the game a chance. I wouldn't necessarily want it to get to Halo heights of popularity.

It's nice having a semi cult game that you can hold dear.

I think the absolute most this game should ever get is more sequels...forever.

And an animated series, maybe :gant:


If PW was an anime, I would crawl to the people making it and beg to voice-act in it. XD

But a mini-cult is too much fun, especially because CR seems to attract a ton of nice people.
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I was one of the people who thought it would be REEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLY boring. I had talked to an online friend about it, because she had gotten really into it. I wasn't into the idea of playing as a lawyer. *"Pfft. What? Lawyer? Pfft."* But, it was when I looked more into the story that I became somewhat obsessed with it--and I hadn't even played yet! The open mind thing is more being able to give things a chance.

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I got into it through the "Objection" meme.
Then a while later I got a DS and, not knowing any DS game (I got it for non-game software), I thought "Hey, I'll get this game and see what it's like"... and I loved it. :D
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I think an open mind is probably quite important. I was actually intrigued by the idea of a lawyer game the first time I read about it, and I got my friend Mike into the games without too much trouble, but another friend of ours who expressed interest initially now seems to think it looks boring because 'you don't do anything'. And someone else said it was 'gay'. Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
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An open mind sure as all hell helps when you're trying to get into this series. At first, I was like almost everybody else upon hearing of this game -- "a game where you play as a LAYWER? WTF is this shit?", because the basic premise itself, when combined with being told that it is actually fun and entertaining, IS a bit hard to swallow at first. But once you get past your initial impression and just plow through the story, you get to find that this series is actually quite fun and very well thought.
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And someone else said it was 'gay'. Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.



That's a new insult among teenagers, especially boys. I hear it on a constant daily basis.

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Well, my mom is a lawyer, and I've never really thought being a lawyer would be boring, so...

I pretty much got the first game as a whim. I'd recently been dragged into the Death Fandom and first saw Phoenix Wright in a DN crossover pic type thing. [with L as Phoenix and Light as Edgeworth. Good picture. XD] and I'd seen it mentioned as a good game on some other places on Deviant Art soooo. I saw it at the game store and got it. [and my mom was like: "A video game about laywers? Haha!"]

And the rest is history, of course.

It's probably true that some of the characters might make some people uncomfortable, but people really just need to try the game. As WE all know, it's fabulous super awesome.
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[with L as Phoenix and Light as Edgeworth. Good picture. XD]




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I've rather noticed that it's really hard to get people into Phoenix Wright. I mean, unless they're into Law before you get them to play the games, the first time they hear "Lawyer" they're just like "Um... no, sounds boring."

Exactly! Most of my friends think this. Hell, I had to force one of my friends to play T&T. He was like, "Eh...it sounds really boring...but...if you say it's hard I guess I'll try it out..."

A day later:

"Holy shit, this game is awesome and ridiculously hard."

Personally, I think the way you need to tell your friends about this is to tell them that the story and characters are amazing. If you tell them it's a lawyer right from the start, they're gonna go "Oh, lawyers? *stares off into space while pretending to listen*". Maybe even tell them that the music makes you feel like a badass lawyer when you get something right.

(AJ music is the best for this example, it just seems a helluva lot cooler)
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I haven't converted anyone to Phoenixism yet (Maybe Attorneyism?) I just plain forget that my friends only pay attention to three things:

1.) My First Sentence.

2.) Anything that has to do with violence.

3.) Anything Random.
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I found this game mentioned on a fave review site of mine (JustAdventure Reviews... I don't know why, but I love reading their reviews!). I absolutely ADORE mysteries and even though I'm not that interested in law, I was still kinda attracted to it because of that. I did more research on it and decided to buy it. I'm glad I did. :phoenix:

My bro had heard of it (the older versions) and knew they were popular. I had him play it one time; got totally addicted. I have a friend at school who was a little doubtful about it, but said he didn't think it would be as fun as it was... that reminds me... he still needs to give me back my game... :edgeworth:

Anyway, I think you need to have a sense of humor and a love for mysteries to appreciate these games. That's all I needed. :will:
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I don't see why people automatically think that this kind of game would be boring... do the hate stuff like Law & Order, Matlock, or Perry Mason because they're about lawyers? Some people may, but many like those types of shows.

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Well, I was into the whole OBJECTION!!! meme before I ever played the games, then I was bored on day and thought I'd give the game a play. I figured I'd yell OBJECTION a couple times, get bored, and never play it again.

Boy was I wrong.

I've gotten about 4 people into PW now. It takes a bit of FORCING THEM TO GIVE IT A CHANCE, but they all love it now.
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"I've spoken to a large amount of people who don't seem to "get" the idea and concept of the game and what would make it fun."
I know exactly what you mean. My brother and most of my friends, for starters. A common reaction is "you're not doing anything! you're just watching people talk!"
It really wants to make me do a :headbang:. I mean, why should the definition of "doing anything" game-wise be blowing stuff up for no apparent reason (which I admit can be fun :P but still)?
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My friend was all into that "OBJECTION" site for a while, and I was like, "huh? wtf?" until I looked up the game. And then I saw it was a lawyer game...

...and thought that a lawyer game would be FREAKING AWSOME.

XD;; Am I the only one who didn't think it'd be boring?

Anywho, I guess it'd take an open mind to enjoy the game, but I think it's more that you have to accept the fact that it's going to be ridiculous. If you try to take it too seriously or expect it to be realistic, then you're going to be disappointed. And maybe confused.
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XD;; Am I the only one who didn't think it'd be boring?


Nope :gant: I had heard about Ace Attorney somewhere (don't know why I was even looking for it in the first place) and I thought it sounded interesting. Being an anime lawyer? Mmkay, let's try it.

Then I was hooked.
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