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Personally, I am going with Kristoph Gavin, solely for his plan to kill Vera Misham. Kristoph gave Vera, a nine year old girl, a poisonuos time bomb especifically targeted at exploiting her weaknesses, while all along acting like a nice guy who wanted to help her get over her fears so she could go to the Gramarye Troupe magic show. All this in order to protect his reputation and cover up a minor crime.
May I also note that neither Vera nor her father were an inmediate threat of exposure, just a potential one, and that all he would gain from this intricate, twisted plot was beating his little brother, a rookie prosecutor, in court.
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Joe Darke takes first, because he never really had a motive besides the enjoyment he took out of killing.
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- She stole a two million dollar diamond from her family and convinced her tutor, Terry Fawles, to take the blame. He ended up on death row.
- She killed her own sister to stop Terry finding out about the diamond, and later convinced Terry (who was still madly in love with her) to kill himself. Terry was never guilty of kidnapping, theft or murder, and he still died.
- She poisoned Diego Armando, also to make sure he didn't interfere.
- She intended to kill Phoenix Wright, and would have succeeded were it not for the intervention of Doug Swallow, Dahlia's ex-boyfriend. Instead she kills Doug and attempts to pin the blame on Phoenix, guilty of absolutely nothing.
- Even after death Dahlia agrees to her mother's plot to kill Maya Fey, simply to get back at Mia.
This is all from memory. It's been about a year since I played through T&T.
The difference between Kristoph and Dahlia is their motive. Kristoph acted in order to maintain his pride, while Dahlia had nothing to lose from staying on the straight and narrow - she stole the diamond because she wanted money, plain and simple. Everything else was simply means to an end for her.
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Kaye wrote:
I'd have to say it was either Joe Darke or Dahlia, although Kristoph is up there.
Joe Darke takes first, because he never really had a motive besides the enjoyment he took out of killing.
Joe Darke takes first, because he never really had a motive besides the enjoyment he took out of killing.
Actually? The first killing was an accident, and all the others were of the "kill everyone who sees me killing someone" variety.
Yeah, it was one of "'dose plans"
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Café au lait wrote:
Kaye wrote:
I'd have to say it was either Joe Darke or Dahlia, although Kristoph is up there.
Joe Darke takes first, because he never really had a motive besides the enjoyment he took out of killing.
Joe Darke takes first, because he never really had a motive besides the enjoyment he took out of killing.
Actually? The first killing was an accident, and all the others were of the "kill everyone who sees me killing someone" variety.
Yeah, it was one of "'dose plans"
...?
I knew the first one was, but I always thought he continued for the thrill. My bad, I guess I was too busy laughing at the name 'Neil' to pay attention.
Definitely Dahlia, then.
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He is the lowest piece of scumbag that ever will wlk the earth. Political corruption, twisted justice, murderous attitude, I HATE THIS MAN! But seriuously, he deserves to rot in the eternal hell fire of the devil's personal caldron
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I'd say Hotti
he's one sick sunawabiaaatch. Nah kiddin' I think the nastiest, most evil scumbag of all... is Dahlia, I mean I know Manfred was one evil piece of horse crap but I think he's mostly affected by his own father, so goes the legacy of the Karma familiy. I don't think Manfred took Edgeworth to corrupt him, I think he took him because he killed his father , but at the same time taught him the Karma way of justice.Kristoph is one evil intercourse himself, but hey... he's stupiditly twisted to begin with, and he's not that smart (Evil = bad + smart plan :D ).. just rich.
And here comes Matt, what happened to celeste was half his fault, it's because of Juan she suicided. And come on, he did hire a hitman he didn't kill him like any other killer in the game.. he's just a manipulative greedy person.
Now, back to Dahlia.. She combines insanity and a brilliant plan to steal her father's money. She affects people with her cutness and loveliness (which is comparable to Kristoph, with his nice hypocritical attitude) and like Kristoph made a small time bomb with the poison necklace (She left him a note saying that if he ever came to doubt her, he should drink the contents as punishment for such a betrayal.)
and used other people (like matt) to achieve escape (gave the poison bottle to Phoenix). She killed her own stepsister, an innoecnt person and even tried to kill Maya and Diego
(revenge).In the end, Dahlia is the most evil person in the series in my opinion.
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is most evil...people above have already stated the reasons...
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He used a truly noble profession to further his own ego.
DOUCHE.
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Harra Arial wrote:
To the point of the games I've played ((which, I've just gotten the second one, just started on the third case this morning.)) And I only have what my friend relayed to me about the fifth case of the first game ((which I never got a chance to play.))
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They both have inferiority complexes, pin murders on innocent people, and their own maliciousness extends far beyond the murder at hand. (the latter person drove a woman to suicide by basically ignoring her despite her constant need for guidance.)
I'll go with Redd White, because he's murdered MANY people beyond Mia.
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Matt, because I love him to death. <3
Dahlia, because she manipulated everyone's trust and killed some people.
didn't really strike me as evil as much as they did...though he is evil, don't get me wrong. :D
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is evil. Who knows what she's plotting?? I baked a cake for you... I hope you like it... hee hee hee... How exciting! *eats happily for like 15 minutes* Atroquinine. Oh shit. *dies*
is just a stupid bitch who likes to make everyone feel her pain. She's a pathetic, sadistic individual and nothing more. She has problems.
is evil, though. Those locks... those cold, black locks... And as far as
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All of these are people tried either to get innocent people convicted or tried to get guilty people off the hook...and almost succeeded.
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Bruce Goodman wrote:
Winston Payne, Miles Edgeworth, Manfred von Karma, Franziska von Karma, Godot, and Klavier Gavin.
All of these are people tried either to get innocent people convicted or tried to get guilty people off the hook...and almost succeeded.
All of these are people tried either to get innocent people convicted or tried to get guilty people off the hook...and almost succeeded.
Klavier doesn't need to be grouped in with the rest.
He admits when he's wrong.
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Toby Danger wrote:
While it's easy to just say Dahlia is EVIL LOL!, I think we're all forgetting that unlike the other major villains, Dahlia has a valid backstory and reasons for why she turned out the way she did. For all her life, the people who were supposed to look after her treated her like trash. Why shouldn't she feel that she can treat everyone around her the same way?
This.
I don't believe I've ever heard of Payne being called "evil" before.
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FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
Bruce Goodman wrote:
Winston Payne, Miles Edgeworth, Manfred von Karma, Franziska von Karma, Godot, and Klavier Gavin.
All of these are people tried either to get innocent people convicted or tried to get guilty people off the hook...and almost succeeded.
All of these are people tried either to get innocent people convicted or tried to get guilty people off the hook...and almost succeeded.
Klavier doesn't need to be grouped in with the rest.
He admits when he's wrong.
Fact is, he still tries to get innocent people found guilty. And that's pretty evil in my book.
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Bruce Goodman wrote:
Fact is, he still tries to get innocent people found guilty. And that's pretty evil in my book.
Is he not supposed to do his job? Klavier is a prosecutor and it is his job to prosecute people whom the evidence tells him are guilty. When he puts someone in the defendant's chair it's because he believes that the person is guilty. He does his job fairly and tries to see that justice is done. The judicial system breaks down unless there is someone to argue both sides of the case. Both defense attorneys and prosecutors are very necessary to the system functioning properly.
I actually wouldn't put Edgeworth, Franziska, and Payne in that category either. I suppose you could make a case for Edgeworth and Franziska before they both realize what is important, but I would pin that more on Manfred who twisted them to suit his own needs. They were both twisted, but not really evil. They come to see their mistakes and make up for them.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Bruce Goodman wrote:
Fact is, he still tries to get innocent people found guilty. And that's pretty evil in my book.
Is he not supposed to do his job? Klavier is a prosecutor and it is his job to prosecute people whom the evidence tells him are guilty. When he puts someone in the defendant's chair it's because he believes that the person is guilty. He does his job fairly and tries to see that justice is done. The judicial system breaks down unless there is someone to argue both sides of the case. Both defense attorneys and prosecutors are very necessary to the system functioning properly.
I actually wouldn't put Edgeworth, Franziska, and Payne in that category either. I suppose you could make a case for Edgeworth and Franziska before they both realize what is important, but I would pin that more on Manfred who twisted them to suit his own needs. They were both twisted, but not really evil. They come to see their mistakes and make up for them.
Touché. But he still tries to weasle his way to a guilty verdict by manipulating the system in some way...for example, if I were present a completely true idea about where the victim was standing, he would come back with, "Hey, present some evidence to back this up!" even though you really don't need evidence because other evidence supports this theory.
Bad example, but you get the idea -- loopholes and all.
Edgeworth and Franziska both go on that list because they were very, very close to forging evidence in order to get a "Guilty" verdict so their "perfect win streak" wouldn't be "tainted". Franziska hid evidence from the court IIRC, and I think Edgeworth does too in 1-?, but I can't remember.
Payne...yeah, he shouldn't be on there. I just don't like his hair in 4-1.
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Bruce Goodman wrote:
Payne...yeah, he shouldn't be on there. I just don't like his hair in 4-1.
It is frightening.
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Bruce Goodman wrote:
Payne...yeah, he shouldn't be on there. I just don't like his hair in 4-1.
My love, that in itself is an evil so unforgivable that he should be FIRST on the list. *Claws eyes out* Original Payne was the best by far.... @_@ NO MORE YOUTH MOMENTS, WINSEY!
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Bruce Goodman wrote:
Touché. But he still tries to weasle his way to a guilty verdict by manipulating the system in some way...for example, if I were present a completely true idea about where the victim was standing, he would come back with, "Hey, present some evidence to back this up!" even though you really don't need evidence because other evidence supports this theory.
Bad example, but you get the idea -- loopholes and all.
Edgeworth and Franziska both go on that list because they were very, very close to forging evidence in order to get a "Guilty" verdict so their "perfect win streak" wouldn't be "tainted". Franziska hid evidence from the court IIRC, and I think Edgeworth does too in 1-?, but I can't remember.
Payne...yeah, he shouldn't be on there. I just don't like his hair in 4-1.
Bad example, but you get the idea -- loopholes and all.
Edgeworth and Franziska both go on that list because they were very, very close to forging evidence in order to get a "Guilty" verdict so their "perfect win streak" wouldn't be "tainted". Franziska hid evidence from the court IIRC, and I think Edgeworth does too in 1-?, but I can't remember.
Payne...yeah, he shouldn't be on there. I just don't like his hair in 4-1.
Well, a theory can't be accepted as the truth until there is actual evidence to support it, so Klavier does need to demand proof from Apollo. I actually don't recall an example of Klavier not accepting evidence if the previously presented piece of evidence proved the theory true (and I mean really proved the point instead of just making it a possibility), but perhaps I missed it. One of the biggest complaints many people seem to have about Klavier as a prosecutor is that he was too nice in court. The only way for all contradictions to be worked out for the prosecutor and defense attorney is to go back and forth with it until they come to the truth (like in 2-4 with Phoenix and Edgeworth). That was what Klavier did. Anyway, you're certainly entitled to your opinion and so I won't argue the point further unless you want to do so. Besides, I think we're working along different definitions of "evil" which is going to lead to problems.
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He's the kind of trash that Prosecutors dream of sending to the electric chair.
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FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
From a Prosecutor's stand point, gant is the worst.
He's the kind of trash that Prosecutors dream of sending to the electric chair.
He's the kind of trash that Prosecutors dream of sending to the electric chair.
Much as it pains me to say it, you're right, he's a real Sociopath, I mean, portrayed perfectly in the games as the coldhearted killer who seems so charming on the outside that no one suspects him.
HE'S the kind that makes you wonder how he sleeps at night.
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Harra Arial wrote:
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
From a Prosecutor's stand point, gant is the worst.
He's the kind of trash that Prosecutors dream of sending to the electric chair.
He's the kind of trash that Prosecutors dream of sending to the electric chair.
Much as it pains me to say it, you're right, he's a real Sociopath, I mean, portrayed perfectly in the games as the coldhearted killer who seems so charming on the outside that no one suspects him.
HE'S the kind that makes you wonder how he sleeps at night.
If I was ever to prosecute him, I'd forge all my evidence, bribe the Judge and Jury.......
Just to see him freak out.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Bruce Goodman wrote:
Touché. But he still tries to weasle his way to a guilty verdict by manipulating the system in some way...for example, if I were present a completely true idea about where the victim was standing, he would come back with, "Hey, present some evidence to back this up!" even though you really don't need evidence because other evidence supports this theory.
Bad example, but you get the idea -- loopholes and all.
Edgeworth and Franziska both go on that list because they were very, very close to forging evidence in order to get a "Guilty" verdict so their "perfect win streak" wouldn't be "tainted". Franziska hid evidence from the court IIRC, and I think Edgeworth does too in 1-?, but I can't remember.
Payne...yeah, he shouldn't be on there. I just don't like his hair in 4-1.
Bad example, but you get the idea -- loopholes and all.
Edgeworth and Franziska both go on that list because they were very, very close to forging evidence in order to get a "Guilty" verdict so their "perfect win streak" wouldn't be "tainted". Franziska hid evidence from the court IIRC, and I think Edgeworth does too in 1-?, but I can't remember.
Payne...yeah, he shouldn't be on there. I just don't like his hair in 4-1.
Well, a theory can't be accepted as the truth until there is actual evidence to support it, so Klavier does need to demand proof from Apollo. I actually don't recall an example of Klavier not accepting evidence if the previously presented piece of evidence proved the theory true (and I mean really proved the point instead of just making it a possibility), but perhaps I missed it. One of the biggest complaints many people seem to have about Klavier as a prosecutor is that he was too nice in court. The only way for all contradictions to be worked out for the prosecutor and defense attorney is to go back and forth with it until they come to the truth (like in 2-4 with Phoenix and Edgeworth). That was what Klavier did. Anyway, you're certainly entitled to your opinion and so I won't argue the point further unless you want to do so. Besides, I think we're working along different definitions of "evil" which is going to lead to problems.
Quite true, on all points.
If I were to choose a definition of evil as per most of the posts in the thread...then I'd say Furio Tigre. Faking love, stealing an identity to get an innocent person guilty, murdering for money...not to mention what he did before 3-2 (Or is it 3-3?).
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I think I read something I'm not supposed to know...and I don't get to play AJ until next week 
Anyway, the obvious ones like Dahlia and Gant have been mentioned. I don't think anyone has said anything about Morgan Fey, so I'll put in my vote for her. She's the first one I thought of anyway when I saw this thread
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