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Machi had pushed the switch by putting in just the right place in the piano so when he hit a certain note, it would push the button? I was annoyed that he didn't do that.
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I hadn't thought of that, but it'd make sense. The only problem, is that it would have gone off much earlier if he had done so. Remember, the piano parts of Guitar Serenade are essentially the same, making it go off to early.
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Doing such could very likely result in a note not sounding properly when hit. And you saw Klavier's hissy fit when Daryan screwed up. That wouldn't be any good.
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I never thought that...but why couldn't :Maki: have just tape the switch to the piano and just hit it quickly? He could have only missed ONE NOTE. After all, if he's such a great Pianist you would expect him to be able to move his hand quickly. If he had taped it to the piano right below the keys he could have hit it with his thumb (or elbow in a different arrangement) he didn't need 10 fingers all at once for that piece and he could have missed possibly no notes if he had practiced. There's always the greater chance of failure (which could have discouraged him) but HE WAS USED TO NEEDING TO PRACTICE OR CRASH AND BURN! HE WAS A PIANIST! Playing with one hand? :wtf: :gotcha:
And wouldn't there be a camera facing him, whether it was for security (lol) or just to tape him because he's famous? One camera in a huge event seems weird.
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Actually... that was the first thing I thought of when you find it in the piano x'D I thought for sure he'd done it that way, but then I realized it would have probably made a terrible sound compared to the other, softer piano notes.


And Klavier would've biatched about that too. But he didn't, so.. xD

Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was possible though!
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1. Him with the switch might show up on tape more likely during the show, plus they had so many people in the audiance that someone might notice if he had it, but in all he confusion before the show, he could put it into the piano.

2. I think Klavier might forget about a missed note if his guitar caught on fire right after it. Plus we don't know if Machi knew Klavier enough to know that he might freak out about a missed note. Plus IIRC, Daryan messed up a part of the song, not just 1 note. Plus, Klavier didn't freak about Lamiroir messing up when she heard the gun shot.

Plus the thing was found in JUST THE RIGHT POSITION to be hit if a certain note was pressed, and it honestly seemed like the kind of twist they would make.
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Again, that was during the SECOND time of playing the piano...(I'm going to say melody, but I think it might be harmony...). If he set it to go off at certain note, it would haev gone off on the first set, not the second.
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Again, that was during the SECOND time of playing the piano...(I'm going to say melody, but I think it might be harmony...). If he set it to go off at certain note, it would haev gone off on the first set, not the second.

He played the piano 2 times? I thought it was only once. Where does it say that he played 2 times?
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Yes, I thought of that. But then I realised that if that were the case, then one of the notes in the song would sound a bit odd.
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Yes, I thought of that. But then I realised that if that were the case, then one of the notes in the song would sound a bit odd.

Which could be how you prove it, it wouldn't have to be obvious, the gunshot and Daryan messing up wern't too obvious untill you used a mixing board.
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Again, that was during the SECOND time of playing the piano...(I'm going to say melody, but I think it might be harmony...). If he set it to go off at certain note, it would haev gone off on the first set, not the second.

He played the piano 2 times? I thought it was only once. Where does it say that he played 2 times?


I think P_A means the first and second verses of the song... :eh?:
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Again, that was during the SECOND time of playing the piano...(I'm going to say melody, but I think it might be harmony...). If he set it to go off at certain note, it would haev gone off on the first set, not the second.

He played the piano 2 times? I thought it was only once. Where does it say that he played 2 times?


I think P_A means the first and second verses of the song... :eh?:


Yeah, that was it. I said piano melody or whatever (I can never keep melody/harmony seperate). Anyway, it was basically the same thing for all four verses.
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Doing such could very likely result in a note not sounding properly when hit. And you saw Klavier's hissy fit when Daryan screwed up. That wouldn't be any good.


Either way, I'm pretty sure that Klavier would be a bit preoccupied what with the guitar catching on fire and all. :beef:
Keep in mind, the switch was only meant to be a failsafe if the main plan failed. It wouldn't make any sense to rig an elaborate piano setup when there was no guarantee that it would need to be used, especially when it only took a second or two to trigger it by hand anyway.

Just like with Daryan's missed cue, it wasn't really obvious until you used the mixing board anyway. If the concert hadn't been so scrutinized due to the murder, Machi easily would've gotten away with taking his hand off of the keys for that moment.
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I thought it too because of the way you found it... But if you think about it, it doesn't seem very feasible...

a) If you've seen the inside of a grand piano, you'll see that there are a bunch of metal wires and some hammers underneath them. If the switch was placed so that it would be pressed when a note was played, you'd find that to be impossible, or at least incredibly difficult, given the design of the switch. It's meant to be held in the hand and depressed with the thumb, not something a weak little piano hammer can accomplish. Not only that, I'm not even sure if the switch could fit inside a piano since there isn't much room between hammer and wire.
b) As people have mentioned, Klavier would definitely have noticed a single off note. Heck, he even noticed that Machi's one-handed playing sounded different from his normal playing. Too suspicious if note-activated.
c) Finally, the switch existed to provide a "backup plan" in case the smuggling was discovered. Putting it in the piano makes it rather inconvenient to activate at a time other than during the second set. Machi had to have been carrying it on his person all day until he ditched it because you want full control over your failsafe.
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I agree with superninfreak here. I suppose a full consideration of the situation gives the impression that it wouldn't make sense, but honestly I was looking for a way to back out and look at things from another angle when they started talking about playing with one hand. In my opinion, the nitpickiness of the Video/Music section of the case was taken WAAAAAY too far.
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I was waiting that coming out the whole time....
I was pretty dissapointed.... :sadshoe:
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Machi had pushed the switch by putting in just the right place in the piano so when he hit a certain note, it would push the button? I was annoyed that he didn't do that.

Yeah that's what came in my mind, and when you had to go through the Guitar's serenade and find something wrong with it, I thought it was going to be a dodgy sounding piano note from the switch, so I was searching for that. Oh well :agent-Smith:
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Machi had pushed the switch by putting in just the right place in the piano so when he hit a certain note, it would push the button? I was annoyed that he didn't do that.


You're not the only one - I thought that was what was going to happen as well. I was so ready for it too...but it never happen (lame attempt to mock JFA localization) :sadshoe:
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Sorry, but I don't think the Klavier would have noticed answer works. What would he have noticed more, a mangled note, or a bit played with only one hand? God, 4-3 is screwed up beyond repair.
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Actually... that was the first thing I thought of when you find it in the piano x'D I thought for sure he'd done it that way, but then I realized it would have probably made a terrible sound compared to the other, softer piano notes.


And Klavier would've biatched about that too. But he didn't, so.. xD

Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was possible though!

Agreed, exactly what I would have said.
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I thought Daryan did it.... somehow.. Which explained at the time why he was off at the some point. To press it.
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Machi had pushed the switch by putting in just the right place in the piano so when he hit a certain note, it would push the button? I was annoyed that he didn't do that.


That was EXACTLY my first though when Klavier's guitar caught fire. Well, we were mostly correc\t.
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I thought Daryan did it.... somehow.. Which explained at the time why he was off at the some point. To press it.


That was actually what I thought at first, but then I was like "Oh yeah, he missed it during Guilty Love. NOT Guitar Serenade."
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Thats what I though it was XD, I kept presenting the switch and how it was found in the piano or the part of the song in the mixer that went "DAN!!!!" which would mean he hit a specific note to activate it.

I restarted the game from my save point two times because I didn't think it was something simple as "He played the song differently so he had an open hand to hit the switch then hid it in the piano"
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I thought Daryan did it.... somehow.. Which explained at the time why he was off at the some point. To press it.


I thought he did really early because they took so long with showing that he messed up on the song. It seemed to make a big deal out of it.
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Machi had pushed the switch by putting in just the right place in the piano so when he hit a certain note, it would push the button? I was annoyed that he didn't do that.


I know, I mean, they practically spell that out for you when you find the trigger inside the piano.

It took me back to an old Looney Tunes episode when Daffy set Bugs up the bomb under a piano key. =/
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Machi had pushed the switch by putting in just the right place in the piano so when he hit a certain note, it would push the button? I was annoyed that he didn't do that.


I know, I mean, they practically spell that out for you when you find the trigger inside the piano.

It took me back to an old Looney Tunes episode when Daffy set Bugs up the bomb under a piano key. =/

Like it was mentioned before:

1) Klavier might have noticed a different note when the mixing board played it. He noticed Daryan's mistake quite fast. It'd be too suspicious.

2) If it was in a spot where he normally played, it would have set it off much earlier during the first part.
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It's funny, that was EXACTLY what I had expected when Trucy tried out the piano. I felt really smart, thinking that Machi "obviously" set it up so he could push the button during his whole piano... thingy O.o
I was stuck on a certain part in court because I was like, "*headdesk* WTF?! THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT PROVES THAT THE SWITCH WAS IN THE PIANO! *headdesk* WHYYYYYY?!!!" Then I randomly got it right and from then on I was like, "......oh. Nevermind then *sighs* not again..." This kinda felt like a repeat of 1-2 for me:
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Machi had pushed the switch by putting in just the right place in the piano so when he hit a certain note, it would push the button? I was annoyed that he didn't do that.


I know, I mean, they practically spell that out for you when you find the trigger inside the piano.

It took me back to an old Looney Tunes episode when Daffy set Bugs up the bomb under a piano key. =/

Like it was mentioned before:

1) Klavier might have noticed a different note when the mixing board played it. He noticed Daryan's mistake quite fast. It'd be too suspicious.

2) If it was in a spot where he normally played, it would have set it off much earlier during the first part.


Except that I doubt he'd care about a missed note so much if his guitar was on fire.
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As I said, he'd notice it during the PLAYBACK ON THE MIXING BOARD.
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