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uhhhh errrr... were was mayoi in that one case you play as nick cause I was all O---o dude?? were the heck is she?? though some people are saying she died 0__<
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4-4 needed to be more epic and captivating at the end, too. it finished just so, so abruptly. I liked the plot, but the execution...blagh.
I'll be waiting for AA5 though. hopefully now what Phoenix's story is wrapped up we can REALLY focus on Apollo now.
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They could've put a little more work in it tho.
Either way, it was still enjoyable.
Not as good as previous GS games, but still good nonetheless. =)
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The game was great.
But NOT as awesome as any of the past GS games.
No profiles. If you're going to say goodbye to the old cast, then say goodbye. Don't just link them together, and say the new cast in a new direction. Klavier was PLAIN VANILLA as a prosecutor. Trucy's okay compared to Maya. Phoenix is an ass. Apollo was just there for the ride. The fact that Trucy got more character development in than Apollo. Lamiroir and stuff. Villians were petty and didn't really have much drive to do the things they did. Witnesses not having much drive for doing what they do. The Gavin brothers really could have used more OOMPH in their characters. THE ENTIRE LACK OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OF NEARLY ALL THE CHARACTERS. The lack of motive for some villians. The easiness of the trials. And c'mon, damn near TIME TRAVELLING to pass your trial? Augh. And you literally get to pick your ending. (While you DO have to fight for the ending, it's still not much of a fight.) Klavier spoon feeding you. Aaaah. Only 4-5 perceives in the game. Not getting to break certain 'locks.' Phoenix hogging ALL THE SCREENTIME.
I like the game. I just don't love it like the last 3. It falls really short.
There's really no point in not comparing the GS games together.
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NO PROFILE PRESENTING!! damn, I wanted to collect info on people and it was nearly impossible!! I had to find a clear evidence designing X person to ask...lame really
NO CASE ARTWORK
I know it's kind of nothing but each time I finished a case I was always like : ohhh what will the artwork will look like this time??? It really annoyed me^^''
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+ Daryan Crescend and his pen0r-hair. I was not very comfortable that it was hard practically throughout the whole case (namely when he was near Apollo or Trucy). Needs a new hairdo or has to lay off of the Viagra, dude.[/spoiler]
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I still like the character, he's adorable but... can't we have a not-so-pathetic attorney? and no case arts! no presenting profiles! 
and other than that, seems like everyone has explained it better. XD
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Mysticgamer wrote:
Especially since he's going to prison...
+ Daryan Crescend and his pen0r-hair. I was not very comfortable that it was hard practically throughout the whole case (namely when he was near Apollo or Trucy). Needs a new hairdo or has to lay off of the Viagra, dude.[/spoiler]
And I'm done with my stupid complaining. Please do not try to rationalize it. =P
[/quote] + Daryan Crescend and his pen0r-hair. I was not very comfortable that it was hard practically throughout the whole case (namely when he was near Apollo or Trucy). Needs a new hairdo or has to lay off of the Viagra, dude.[/spoiler]
And I'm done with my stupid complaining. Please do not try to rationalize it. =P
Hmm..what I didn't like..basically what everyone has said
-No case art
-No presenting profiles
-Constant flashbacks of things that happened two seconds ago.
-The trial at the end of 4-4 was WAY too brief. Needs more explaining, needs moar Krissi!
-The creators didn't bother to improve the old sprites when they were interacting with newer characters (i.e: 4-4 when Nick was up against young Klavi)
-The fact
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Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote:
DarkWobbuffet wrote:
Kinda hard not to see this game as a continuation considering they're incorporating old characters into the mix, as opposed to Yu-gi-oh GX where any old characters made really brief cameos.
Regarding Mia, in game one, we also find out she became a lawyer to find out what happened to her lost mother and was trained by Grossberg. That's far more background then Apollo ever got.
Phoenix is just there to link the two series just like Kaiba was the one who linked Yugioh with Yugioh GX. Outside of Phoenix the rest of the main cast is rarely seen if at all. Actually most of the time in GX you don't really SEE any of the old cast with about three exceptions. Mainly you just hear them get mentioned here and there. it's about the same as what AJ is doing right now. It's not just another Phoenix Wright game AJ is the next generation. Of course the old cast won't be seen as much as the new cast will.
Hell, Yugi-Oh GX didn't even show Yugi's face in the first episode and when they did show characters from the first series they hadn't changed in the least. Kaiba still looked 18 and still had on that that Vegas style duel vest and Max Pegasus was the same too.
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no profiles *sniff*, no case piccies (that ticked me off!!!! cuz I like it hehe), it looked like young Klavvy was facing off against a ball of pixels instead of Phoenix (if you compare them side by side, of course), waaaaaaay too short court battle in 4-4, and more character development.
I dunno, personally I felt better that they kept Phoenix in there, even if he did take the spotlight a bit. We've learned to love and become fans of these awesome PW characters, and in my opinion, when I heard that Apollo Justice was coming out... I was gonna cry. I think they kept Nick in there to kinda wean us off the old characters and lead us into the new generation, and I think they executed that well IMO.
HOWEVER, despite Kristoph's awesome perceive "devil" thingy, he wasn't done enough justice (pardon the pun). I mean, he looked so refined and I thought, "this is gonna be a tough apponent!" Well, I was surprised when I beat him like, 20 minutes after the last save point. I was like, "YOU'RE KIDDING! I WENT THROUGH ALL THIS FOR IT TO BE OVER ALREADY!" I was expecting a full-on objection fight, with Klavier pointing out Herr Forehead's flaws in the theories he has and Trucy being stumped along with you (instead of stealing your thunder... I hated when she did that >_<). I dunno, I guess I wanted something more... epic. I'm only hoping they fix this stuff when they release GS5.
I miss Nick though... *takes out Phoenix plushie and cuddles it* I have a hard time accepting change, just to letcha know.
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- I think the Perceive system was never very well explained, and I was confused. I mean, the bracelet would all of a sudden light up during a cross-examination, and I didn't know that when that happens, it means I have to use the system. I thought it'd be more like Psyche-Locks where the locks actually appear dramatically to tell you that you have to break them. It made the cross-examinations a little more tedious than they should be.
- The MASON system kind of bugged me. It made Phoenix seem like a know-it-all, and I really didn't like playing the MASON part that much, other than getting to know what exactly happened. It felt too...surreal, and I wasn't sure if it was just a memory or if I was actually going to the different scenes to investigate.
- Okay, I know many people probably want the old characters back, but I'm not sure if putting them all in a trial in the past is going to do it. You've already got a game that pretty much has a new start, new characters and everything, and there we have Gumshoe and Meekins being "forced" into the scenario into some distant memory. As much as I liked Gumshoe, it destroyed the feeling of AJ for me.
That's probably about all.
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Then in 4-3 you have to prove that the killer was able to see, but then Klavier reveals that the defendant is able to see all along, making that cross-examination completely pointless. Want to know why he did it? To make Ema look bad. Really. I'm serious. Fop.
And then there's Trucy, who while a good character in her own right, figures out things before Apollo does and points out contradictions for him. When Mia did it it was because she was helping Phoenix, and she was already a lawyer anyway. When Trucy does it it just makes Apollo look incompetent. Plus in 4-3 she figures out the magic trick but won't tell Apollo because a magician can't reveal their tricks. Does she even care that if Apollo doesn't, then they lose the case?
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Quote:
Apollo Justice had a lot of potential, but failed to live up to most of it. Hopefully GS5 will remedy this.
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And then there's Trucy, who while a good character in her own right, figures out things before Apollo does and points out contradictions for him. When Mia did it it was because she was helping Phoenix, and she was already a lawyer anyway. When Trucy does it it just makes Apollo look incompetent.
This, coupled with the fact that Klavier was supposedly interested in the truth, is why I never felt Apollo had a starring role in this game.
What pissed me off the most is that the game had several opportunities to explore Klavier's and Kristoph's relationship As siblings, nothing more. Get your mind out of the gutter., but never bothered with it and expected us to care anyways. It didn't even bother to give us hints of it. And no, the manga does not count.
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In fact, most of the Percieve testimonies were pointless. Some of them had a reason for their twitch, like
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It's a good thing that GS5 was able to give Apollo a character and show that he can defend cases without being spoon fed tpanswers.
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- Klavier and Trucy constantly helping Apollo out.
- Not being able to interact with your clients much.
- Repeated showing of flashback scenes/The Guitar's Serenade video
- The anti-climactic ending (seriously Kristoph gets one testimony in the final case, while the villains in the other AA games get multiple testimonies).
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- Not being able to present profiles.
I kind of liked not being able to present profiles, to be honest. It greatly lessened the time it took to present every piece of evidence to every NPC when you're looking for the last flippin' thing to get out of the way before the investigation phase ends.
As for something I disliked about the game, it's gotta be the simple fact that it's got only four cases. Sure, Turnabout Succession technically contains a mini-case within it, but PWAA's DS remake had 5 full-length cases on the same console (thus giving it the same memory limitations). Four cases is just lazy programming.
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It greatly lessened the time it took to present every piece of evidence to every NPC
Only a person who doesn't know what they're supposed to be doing, or wants to see every line of dialogue would do that, though...
Besides, they added that feature in JFA and TaT, and there's no reason why it shouldn't have been in AJ.
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I loved the game to bits, and I found when I finished, I wanted like 90 more cases! I just want more screen time for all the characters I loved like Klavier, Pollo, Trucy (specially Klavi, I need more of that man in my life 
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First of all, there was no
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Next, we have the 8-year jump, and Phoenix is now 33 years old.
And there are some other stuff they did with older characters I disliked as well... But seriously, bring back Maya. She just doesn't fit the role of the master anyhow. I want her back as either a secretary, an assistant, a defense attorney, or even a freaking prosecutor. Hell, even playing the role of mother for Trucy alone would suffice enough. Or, if something crazy is required, but you can have her marry Phoenix for all I care. I may have been against it initially during the trilogy days, but I'm sure that way she's SURE to stick around, right? I just want her back, dammit...
So yeah, as you already might be able to observe from reading this is that I prefer continuity over change (or at least, just in the case of Ace Attorney).
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Still, the game was pretty OK overall, even though it was the weakest in the franchise IMO.
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Prosecutor unknowingly using forged evidence = pardon, albeit with closer scrutiny for a while.
Defense attorney unknowingly using forged evidence = disbarment.
No wonder Nick became more Gant-like.
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Also, Apollo Justice was a LOSER. Meanwhile, Wright was a shady arrogant asshole (I'm not sure the AJ/DD Team knows how to deal with him). Furthermore, I absolutely HATED some of my clients, and Trucy helped out WAY too much in court. Not only that, but the bracelet was pretty lame.
Still, the game was pretty OK overall, even though it was the weakest in the franchise IMO.
Still, the game was pretty OK overall, even though it was the weakest in the franchise IMO.
Wasn't AJ team the same of the original trilogy? At least the main scriptwriter was Takumi in both of them.
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Also, Apollo Justice was a LOSER. Meanwhile, Wright was a shady arrogant asshole (I'm not sure the AJ/DD Team knows how to deal with him). Furthermore, I absolutely HATED some of my clients, and Trucy helped out WAY too much in court. Not only that, but the bracelet was pretty lame.
Still, the game was pretty OK overall, even though it was the weakest in the franchise IMO.
Still, the game was pretty OK overall, even though it was the weakest in the franchise IMO.
Wasn't AJ team the same of the original trilogy? At least the main scriptwriter was Takumi in both of them.
The entire team wasn't the same. They had a few changes regarding art/character design and the music (not sure about the UI department, though). Regarding the writing and plot, however, Takumi was still the scenario director. To be fair, he had some time restraints when his original ideas didn't push through, and he was instructed to include Nick and the Jurist System propaganda somehow.
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The entire team wasn't the same. They had a few changes regarding art/character design and the music (not sure about the UI department, though). Regarding the writing and plot, however, Takumi was still the scenario director. To be fair, he had some time restraints when his original ideas didn't push through, and he was instructed to include Nick and the Jurist System propaganda somehow.
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I also recall reading somewhere (and this seems to be the popular opinion) that Takumi intended to have Phoenix's story end in T&T and have Apollo be a fresh start.
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Didn't Takumi have nothing to do with Dual Destinies?
I also recall reading somewhere (and this seems to be the popular opinion) that Takumi intended to have Phoenix's story end in T&T and have Apollo be a fresh start.
I also recall reading somewhere (and this seems to be the popular opinion) that Takumi intended to have Phoenix's story end in T&T and have Apollo be a fresh start.
Yeah... I was basing this off a few comments here and there around the internet. I should probably look this up. I figured someone would do it for me (since I'm lazy), but I guess not. :P
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Also, Apollo Justice was a LOSER.
Eh? Is this popular opinion? I hope not, I found Pollo to be pretty cool to be honest. Why do you say he's a loser? I think Phoenix was definitely a bigger loser than Pollo, in the good way ofcourse! Everyone just shat on Phoenix, ALL the time, and he just took it! 
Sure, that also happens to Apollo, but not as much as it happened to Phoenix. And I found Pollo's cynicism and pessimism to be charming, and it was cute how he has the mindset of cynical 60 year old man, but looks like he's 12 
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