But Zak didn't confess, he just fled after he was announced guilty, leaving the case (and Valant) in doubt for years to come. It wasn't until later when he was already safe from the law that he actually confessed. And when he came back to give Trucy the rights (which I suspect he did only to keep Valant from inheriting them automatically) he tried to ruin Phoenix again for no reason other than pride.

An yes, bashing a woman unconscious cancels out all good deeds and makes him a jerk!

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The alternative was to stay and get declared guilty leading to either a long spell behind bars or (since the punishments are quite vague) possibly the death sentence. When his life was on the line I think it's fair enough for him to escape court. As for trying to ruin Phoenix again that might not be such a problem if he was planning on taking Trucy afterwards.

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Which is why it confused me that he decided to try to make things up to him.

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I didn't mean that him escaping made him a jerk, I was refuting the idea that Shadi sacrificed himself for Valant's sake. It was "nice" of him to write a confession but that was years after it mattered, and he did it at the same time as screwing him over with the magic rights. He wasn't *really* doing Valant any favors.

The way I see it, this is what Zak could (and should) have done to avoid the jerk label:

-Should have presented the journal page he had from Magnifi at the beginning, since it could have proved him innocent, and I can't remember at the moment if there was any good reason for him not to (other than he didn't trust Phoenix to win, which makes little sense since he already fired Kristoph because he didn't trust him...)

-Shouldn't have left Trucy behind with a total stranger who he unintentionally helped ruin. There are implications that Zak set up his escape before the trial but he didn't secure an escape or livelihood for his only daughter.

-Should have given Trucy the rights sooner or at least let her and Valant know he had them, so she had it to look forward to and Valant wouldn't try to restructure his entire career around something he would never have.

-Shouldn't have put his pride as a poker player over Phoenix's livelihood, him being the man caring for his still underage daughter.

-Shouldn't have bashed a woman in the head with a bottle!

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1.he didn't present the journal couse that would have gotten him innocent,and automatically get valant guilty,if he escaped a not guilty virdict,then it would become extremly obvious that he was protecting valant,he had no idea that phoenix wright had been given forged evidence and had no intention for wright to lose his badge.

2.when he played poker with wright,he pretty much knew the type of charectar wright was,i doubt wright was no longer a stranger

3.Valant knew one hundred percent that zak was given the rights,when magnifi told him,and he went so far as to manupilate the crime scene and frame zak to earn the rights,valant is the one that tried steeling the rights from zak,it's only fitting for him to not get what he tried to steal,as for not letting trucy know,that's so no one would tell valant that he'll give the rights to trucy,zak didn't know that valant would throw him like a peace of paper just for the rights,however after the trial,he knew that he should give the rights to trucy by surprize when it most hurts valant.

4.it wasn't over phoenix's livehood,it was over phoenix's pride as a poker player,the wright talent(or wright anything) agency also has trucy(and now apollo) who can also perform(and now defend) as another way of earning money and attracting poeple.

5.after what he did to make valant look like an innocent person(although the first plan backfired,but was unnintentional),bashing a woman's head suddenly make's him a jerk just like that

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Erm, yes, I would consider him being a jerk from that action alone...

And just because you have a game of poker against someone, doesn't mean you can leave your child with them. If he had have trusted Kristoph, he likely would have left her with him!

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but he didn't,couse he discovered that kristof is a jerk(an evil jerk) and that wright is a trsutworthy person

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But really, you can't entrust your child's LIFE into someone you just met! He got lucky! I mean, Kristoph looks trustworthy, and Shadi was damn lucky that he saw through that. But who's to say Phoenix wasn't faking, either? I really doubt you can see someone's complete personality whilst playing cards.

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it's one of zak's special abilaties,this is a fictional game where there is spirit chaneling,phsych-locking and such,so we might as well let that also slide since zak's a gramerye

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Yeah, but he isn't a Gramarye by blood. He wouldn't have the Percieve power.

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1. If you're saying that Zak felt it was more important to protect Valant (who he would have to believe was a murderer in order for that to be the case) than to protect his daughter, then he's still a jerk. And if he'd given up the page to begin with maybe Valant would have been pressed into revealing that it was suicide, and everyone could have gone home happy.

2. Zak has no magatama, no perceive power. Playing poker is not enough to know that a man is capable of raising your young daughter!

3. I'm not saying that Valant should have ever gotten the rights, but because Zak never revealed that the rights were going to Trucy, Valant planned for seven years that he would eventually have them. If you really believe that Zak cared enough about Valant that he sacrificed himself to spare him from prison, it seems kind of funny that he wouldn't toss in a "btw give the rights to my daughter!" on his way out, for both their sakes.

4. Phoenix's job at Borscht depended on him playing poker. If Phoenix were beaten, he'd be out of a job, and I doubt Trucy's magic acts at the Wonderbar would be able to support them both. And Zak tried to ruin Phoenix before Apollo had taken any case let alone was working for Phoenix, so that point is mute.

5. YES, IT DOES! The fact that you think there's some doubt here worries me...

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1.he didn't care about valant more than trucy,he had seen that wright was a trustworthy person,and very few(or no one) would beleave from valant that magnifi commited suicide,not only that,but zak himself had no idea that magnifi commited suicide(nor did it occur to anyone else but valant),zak thought valant was the killer,thus he thought that his name getting cleared would have valant named guilty.

2.zak has learned the arts of a gramerye,this is a fictional game in which there is things like magatma and spirit chaneling,if that can be accepted,then why can't we also accept that he learned the abilaty to now a person by a game(a poker game to be precise)

3.zak didn't want valant to be known or arrested as a murderer,however after being betrayed like that,he thought he would hurt valant by preventing him for what he sacrificed zak for(the right's i mean) while he was preparing for it,btw,valant was told by magnifi that zak was given the rights,yet valant told no one,it was his job to inform the others since zak was in the hiding

4.i purposly put apollo between brackets to inform that that isn't my main point of argument,however we can't deny that trucy had great magic abilaties,she is blood related to magnifi gramerye after all

5.godot throw's coffee at wright,yet godot isn't a jerk

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I haven't played AJ in ages, so I can only talk about some of your points, Phoenix_Justice.


2. Just because it's fictional doesn't mean it shouldn't make sense. The rules of the Ace Attorney Universe are different from ours, yeah, but the rules still exist. It never says in the game that Zak learnt the arts of the Gramaryes. It says that this power is passed down through the blood relatives of the Gramaryes, and since Zak isn't a blood relative of Magnifi or Thalassa, he doesn't have the power. Which means he basically just dumped his daughter on this random guy he played cards with. He was so lucky that it was a 'good guy' who ended up raising his daughter, he really was.

4. She might be the greatest magician in the world, but she's only 15, and legally wouldn't be able to work full time. And if Zak is seriously expecting his teenaged daughter to financially support not only herself, but her adopted father too, all because HE decides to go and lose her adopted father his job, well, he's a bigger jerk than I thought.

5. And some people do think Godot's a jerk too, so that means nothing. But we're talking about how Zak physically assaulted a young woman for no good reason, and I don't see how you can argue that that doesn't make him a jerk.


Like I said, I haven't played AJ in a while, so feel free to correct me if I got something wrong here.

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Commenting on ^

1. Remember that AA Police are dumb. Valant still may have been charged with murder even if he hadn't rearranged the crime scene. These are the same cops who thought a 14 year old boy could drag LeTouse's body up on a platform up top, anong other things.

2: It's implied that Zak fired Kristoph because he saw the "demon scar" while playing poker. Though I don't see how having a scar that looks like a demon makes somebody evil. Of course Kristoph was evil, but still.....

3. Valant doesn't deserve the magic rights, but to be fair, after the hell Magnifi put Valant (and Zak) through, Valant was probably thinking the "No, the last few years of my life are ruined" thing. Of course, framing Zak ended up making things worse in the end.

4. While I agree that it was stupid that Zak wanted to ruin Phoenix's job, he did just give Trucy Magnifi's magic rights. Zak couldn't have known Phoenix would hold on to the letter for a while.

5. Even some of Godot's biggest fans would admit he's a jerk, or at least has a smug personality. However, I don't see how this has anything to do with Zak hitting Olga with a bottle. As a prosecutor would say, OBJECTION! That's irrelevant to the matter at hand.

1.which is why zak made the escape to make everyone think valant didn't do it

2.nah,i don't think that zak knowing that kristof is an evil person and that phoenix is a good guy could be a coincidence,maybe he saw the demon scar,but maybe he has special personallity detecting from poker playing,i mean trucy told us about it(i think it was her that told apollo)

3.i guess magnifi's actions for blackmailing zak and valant are inexcusable,but still,valant's framing and trying to earn the rights that he knows don't belong to him is inexcusable,even with what magnifi put him through,but i guess it's inevitable that the little devil is able to infleunce some poeple with his whispers(one of the victems being valant)

4.i forgot about that,very good deducation ,with the rights,trucy would be able to do the nessecary things for her and her adoptive father,and if zak wasn't killed,he would have helped after he would be officially announced dead by the seven years

5.then i guess zak is a combination of larry and godot,he is a godot type of jerk,and make's mistakes like larry,but like both charectars he has good intentions,so he's a bit of a jerk,i admit,but that doesn't rule him out as one of the greatest charectars(i am a sucker for good willed poeple ),since that doesn't make him as big a jerk as everyone think's he is

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When I was playing 4-4, my heart was breaking for Phoenix, and a little for Trucy and Vera too. When I think back to try and figure out who's fault it really was, I just get sad (same for when I try to find who's to blame for 3-5). I blame Kristoph a lot, since he set out to ruin Nick (and Zak) and kill Vera and Zak to cover up for it because of lost pride and jealousy. But who caused Kristoph to feel this way? Zak (though I don't blame him for firing Kristoph for being suspicious). He was responsible for hiring Nick at the last minute and dragging him through all this mess, and for not talking to Nick about what really happened or given him the real page. But who caused Zak to do this? Magnifi and his scheme. He didn't have to do it this way... Valant had a hand in it too, framing Zak and therefore hiding the truth and making Zak need an attorney. So it's not just one person to blame, but a series of unfortunate events that fell into place that caused 4-4 and 4-1. Even Phoenix himself isn't without blame. Zak probably didn't mean to get Nick disbarred, and Nick should've been more careful about the source and consulted Zak about the page he got from Trucy (his other "ill-gotten" evidence at least he found himself).. although I suppose that's largely in retrospect.

That said, Zak is still a jerk. and I want to reply to the above posts a bit:

1) I'm not sure if Zak believes Valant is guilty or not. He planned to escape from the beginning, yes. But I don't know if it's because he knew fleeing would cause suspicion on Valant, and that's what he wanted, or he thought escaping would make people believe Valant is innocent ("oh look, the suspect fled, he must be guilty or else he wouldn't need to run! That means Valant is innocent"), but people suspected Valant anyway and that's what he got.

2) Zak is a pro Poker player, and he only lost to Magnifi and Nick (who is good at bluffing), so I'm sure he's good at perceiving people and being able to tell if a person is trustworthy or not even without the Gramarye blood. I don't it's impossible that he saw something suspicious about Kristoph and fired him, and saw that Nick was trustworthy. That's not the problem though.

The problem is that he left Trucy with a complete stranger, that's not good parenting! Okay, so he played Poker with Nick, and maybe over that, Zak is able to trust Nick with his life. But the thing is, Nick is a complete stranger to Trucy! Good thing Trucy is the outgoing type of child who isn't afraid of strangers (as opposed to say, Vera). What's more, he had Trucy help him escape... You may say Zak has no choice at that point (and leaving Trucy with Valant isn't really an option either since he's in jail atm), but it's still irresponsible and selfish and jerky of him. Trucy may act all cheerful and seemingly okay with it, but there's no way she is. As Nick said at the end, he's the only one who "knows how Trucy really feels", which makes me think she's not okay at all, being abandoned liked that. (hmm.. makes me wonder if Trucy hates Zak) I wonder if Zak cared what Trucy felt..

Not only that, Zak left Nick, who was out of a job, a burden of his to carry. Not saying Trucy is a burden per se, since she did help support Nick in his difficult time (in place of his mysteriously absent old friends). But she's still another mouth to feed when Nick can barely afford to feed himself.

It all worked out at the end, since I do think Nick and Trucy care about each other, and Trucy is probably better off with HoboPapa than JerkPapa. But Zak's still a horrible father (though he did give her the magic rights, it was rightfully hers really)! And he got the same fate as other parents who disappeared/abandoned their kids in the series.

4) I still don't understand why Zak wanted to cheat and frame HoboNick for cheating after 7 years, other than his pride. It's pretty petty, considering he should be grateful to Nick for taking care of Trucy... As for why he didn't go see Trucy, I wonder if it's because he feels ashamed to meet her because he abandoned her and scared to meet her and know what she thinks of her. In that aspect I guess I could forgive him a bit, if he does feel guilty about it (and he did keep a picture of Trucy in his locket, even though it's of Grownup Trucy, so where did he get that picture? O__o ). But yeah, I'd understand if he and Nick went to play Poker in that time, for old time's sake etc, but to frame Nick for cheating? Kinda extreme and ungrateful...

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the question of who's to blame for the events..................let's recap the events from the very beggining.

-either zak or valant accidentally shot thallasa and made everyone think she died,however this was a human error,unintentional mistake so whoever shot isn't a jerk

-this led to magnifi being angry at them for costing his dougters life(atleast he thought she died) and blackmail them,i understand that a father is extremly sad when he loses his doughter,but he blackmailed them for an error they didn't intend,so that is a bit of jerkness from magnifi,still i guess anger controlling poeple is inevitable.

-however magnifi gave the rights to zak which led valant to frame zak,still isn't magnifi's foult since zak was most probably more skilled at magic than valant,however magnifi's suicide was........how do you put it...............careless,he hadn't thought that poeple would think either magician was the killer becouse of his reckless action of suicide,i guess there are times when poeple don't think enough

-zak having the rights,and magnifi's suicide led to valant framing zak for the murder,it might have been the devil's whisper that got valant,but that's still a sign of evil and selfishness from valant,so valant's act here was a jerkish and selfish(and a bit evil) act

-this led to kristof wanting to win the trial and become famous for winning the gramarye trial,would have been called only selfish without evil,but forging evidence make's his action here that much evil.

-however kristof being an evil person led to zak finding out that kristof couldn't be trusted and zak fired kristof,that was a correct choice by zak,as zak didn't want a selfish person defending him,and he knew that kristof would have gotten the not guilty virdict,since the fact that the book wasn't complete could only be prooven wrong with the evidence as the remaining page which was kept by zak to make sure he doesn't get the not guilty virdict to make sure that no one would think valant is the criminal.

in short zak fired kristof becouse 1.kristof was a cheater(forger), 2.it would be impossible for non-cheating attornies(wright) to proove his innocence

-this led to kristof give wright(by trucy) the forged evidence which led for wright to lose his badge

-then the trial led to zak fleeing,this freed valant from the clutches of the police as zak wanted,but valant's reputation was ruined becouse zak hadn't released that his plan was a bit predictable,another honest mistake in zak's hand

so zak's/valant's mistake led to magnifi's anger and blackmail which was followed by giving the rights to zak and killing himself which led to valant framing zak for the rights which led to the trial which led kristof to forge evidence which led zak to fire kristof which led kristof to give wright the forged evidence which led wright to lose his badge and then trial led zak to flee which freed valant from charges but mistakenly hurt his reputation.

the charectar analyses goes like this

zak had done mistakes and things that led to hurting others but it was all unnintentional as his actions were selfless(excluding the poker cheating)

valant might have been responsible for making a mistake,but one thing he did for sure was selfleshly frame zak for the wrights,not the very very evil type of guy(like kristof),but his actions where still selfish evil actions...........atleast he regretted them later(he must have felt like a true selfish jerk the moment he saw the false confession ),thankfully his reputation will be clean becouse of the false confession since he has attoned for his sins

magnifi's actions weren't selfish but they were still inexcusable(the blackmail i mean),but in the end he later gave the rights(a sign of forgivness),but still made another careless mistake,non of his actions were selfish,but not all of it was as pure as zak's actions.

kristof did a selfish evil action and when he failed he returned with another selfish evil action which led to wright losing his badge,he also did another selfish evil action in which he killed,and another in which he put what was like a time bomb of death,kristof is full of evil actions,in fact,you can say that kristof is like a devil,being called a jerk would be an understatment for this guy.

so the intentions go like this from good to evil

zak>magnifi>valant>kristof

i guess all 4 are to be blamed for what happened,but most of the blame should go to kristof,and then valant and magnifi,and then zak

i am tired so i'll right no more in this post

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hmm.. re-reading the script makes me think Zak perhaps isn't as big a jerk as I first thought. Still, a lot of his actions are enigmatic (haha maybe that's why he's named Enigmar) and a bit jerk-ish, although I do suppose he had not-so-evil intentions. I'm still a bit mad at him though, because as Nick said:

: (Zak Gramarye!? This must be a bad dream. In a sense, this guy ruined my life.)

Even Nick is mad at him and thinks of him as one of the sources for his trouble. But at least Zak is more apologetic than I first remembered XD (aww no Zak smiley..)



From that conversation, I gather two things: 1) he cares about Trucy more than I thought (he did carry aorund her picture), and he probably doesn't want to see her due to fear and shame.. and 2) I guess I owe Zak an apology for saying he's ungrateful to Nick XD But still, what he did next, ie cheating him at Poker, hardly shows gratitude...



Sound like a certain other competitive guy who hates to lose? despised losing, and would ensure he would win no matter what it took, hence the forgery when he was hired, and plot to ruin Nick and Zak when fired....

But for just that reason, Zak "hating to lose", he would try to ruin Nick's reputation (again), but this time he meant it (the losing lawyer reputation wasn't intended by Zak I suppose, and it was partly Nick's own fault and a large part Kristoph's fault). And right after expressing his "gratitude" Nick.

And I guess Zak did have his regrets about leaving Trucy:



So yes, Zak apologized a few times for what he did. But it still doesn't explain why he did. I had the same thought at Nick, Zak could've told him about the transferal of rights 7 years earlier... instead, Zak was busy planning his escape. Why didn't he show Nick the real journal page? Did he not trust Nick to get him acquitted, and instead chose to escape even though he had regrets about leaving Trucy?

Or did he think that in order to get himself acquitted, Valant would be incriminated, and he didn't want that? After all, the possibility of a suicide doesn't come up until Nick talked to Valant 7 years later due to Valant messing with the crime scene.

Okay, Zak isn't as evil as Kristoph, but he's still a jerk in more aspects than one.

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YOU DO NOT EFFING ABUSE A WOMAN!



I agree.

I acknowledge that the shooting does not make him a jerk, as that was unintentional, but honestly, what is with the whole "I made his life hell, but not enough, so I have to go and destroy him in poker, too!" thing right before his murder? THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY.

I say he is an overly proud man who is not unlike Kristoph in many ways.

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With regards to Poker, I think Zak's just a sore loser, and he's probably jealous of Phoenix for his win streak. After all, he's really really serious about Poker. So when Olga couldn't find the card, his perfect plan was ruined, so he hit her with a bottle... I think he's just irrational when it comes to Poker, so irrational that he probably didn't think about, or care, about Trucy's relation to all this (ie what would happen to Trucy if Nick lost).

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or maybe he wanted to uncover wright as a cheater becouse wright was really cheating by using his doughter's powers

besides,as i said,his giving the rights to trucy would give her the abilaty to gain money for both her and wright,for all we know,zak might have joined the agency as shadi smith and helped them on the busisness if it wasn't for him getting killed.

as for the abusing woman thing making him a jerk..........................can't men and women have equallity or something

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Did Zak know about Nick using Trucy's powers to help with Poker? He's been in hiding all this time (presumably overseas) and came back just before he died... The Gramarye power did come up in the conversation, but I don't think Nick specifically said "oh btw, Trucy helps me out in Poker games"

As for hitting Olga, it's more of an issue with "hitting your accomplice with a bottle" = violent behaviour, aka jerk, than her gender

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Zak knew Phoenix was using Trucy's power for Poker games. I was playing that part of the game yesterday, and they were talking about Trucy's power, and Zak said something to Phoenix along the lines of "After being amazed by her power, you took her to play cards with you", or something like that.

Not sure how Zak knew, though.

But yeah... Zak does have a temper, even Brushel acknowledges it, saying how Zak punched him one time, two times, even 5 times. It's his personality. Thalassa probably knew that, so I bet she understands him. Why would she marry him if she hated him?

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WE DO!! Hitting people with bottles, male or female, makes you a jerk!! Zak, Max, and ESPECIALLY Godot (plus all the series murderers, btw) are all assholes. And Franziska, while we're at it. You can't just go around abusing people that make you upset: it makes you a bad person. You really should just accept that Zak hitting Olga was a Jerk Move because there's really no defending it, and by continuing to do so you're making me squint my eyes at you suspiciously!

Zak hitting Brushel all the time is also jerky, btw.

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Uh, Godot never hit anybody with a bottle, he hit Phoenix with a COFFEE CUP. That changes EVERYTHING.

But in Franziska and Godot's cases, hitting people is played for slapstick, so I think that puts it on a different level from Zak and Max. (Godot's still King Sexist Asshole of the entire Ace Attorney series, even without the Coffee assault. And Franziska's still an asshole because she's Franziska von Karma and I, for one, wouldn't have it any other way)

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I might be mistaken, but didn't Godot throw the coffee cup as well? That's just as bad as Zak hitting Olga with a bottle. Even if it was just the coffee, it and the whip can cause damage, slapstick comedy or not.

Though to be honest, a lot of AA characters are Jerks. I like a lot of the murderers as characters. Though I still consider their actions wrong, even people like Yogi, Acro, Altia, and especially Godot. Just as much as I consider Hammond, Grey, Corrida, Bullard, Meraktis etc. actions wrong.

In the same vein, Pearl slapping Nick unconscious because "OMG Nick is cheating on Mystic Maya." It was just as bad as Redd White punching Nick. Even if Pearl's only a kid, that doesn't mean it's right. Though I blame Morgan for being a bad parent.

very well then,zak is a jerk,i admit,but he's an unselfish one,a good hearted jerk equals awsome in my book

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Is he unselfish though? He left Trucy and disappeared so he couldn't be found guilty. He wanted to destroy 's Poker reputation because he was jealous and hates to lose. He hit Olga with a bottle because her plan didn't work.....

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i guess i'll have to repeat a few things.

he left trucy with someone he knew he could trust,and he kept a picture of her with him,and he was intending to return 7 years later to help her again while wright take's care of her(or she take's care of wright) during those seven years.

he wanted to destroy wright's reputation becouse wright cheated by trucy's help.

hitting olga was just a show of frustration for not being able to uncover wright for the poker cheater he is,everyone has a moment of anger in which he does something he wouldn't normally do

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I guess I'll have to repeat a few things too.

-He left Trucy with someone he'd only met a few days earlier when he played poker against them. You shouldn't trust someone enough to look after your child just because you played poker with them. It's irresponsible and very dangerous. Keeping a picture of her means nothing, he didn't keep the girl herself, did he?



-But Phoenix had to cheat in poker. It was the only way for him to earn money since Zak lost him his job and forced him to look after his child. When Zak goes and finds Phoenix a new way to earn money, then he can complain about Phoenix cheating at cards. Till then, he can just put up with it, and be grateful Phoenix took very good care of Trucy, because most people wouldn't have.



-Zak shouldn't have been angry, he shouldn't have been trying to destroy Phoenix. Like I said, he should have just been grateful Phoenix took good care of Trucy. And everyone does have moments of anger, you're right. But not everyone goes around assaulting people when they get mad. Anyway, this is what Zak seems to normally do, he hit Brushel a few times as well.

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-zak has super powers,or learned them,his abilaty to know that kristof was an evil person is proof of this,thus with the same powers he learned what type of person wright was,it wasn't simply "meeting him through a game of poker" to him,it was magic,an abilaty he learned

-zak didn't lose him his job,it was kristof,and zak if zak gave wright the right paper,valant would have been declared guilty,something zak didn't want to happen,besides,as i said,zak would help the wright talent agency later "as shady smith" if it wasn't for his death,and if that wasn't his plan,then i can safly say that by giving trucy the rights,she would be able to afford money for both herself and phoenix wright,and wright would no longer need his poker player job anymore,he did indead need to cheat to earn money,but the moment zak would give wrigth the rights(for him to give to trucy) was the perfect moment for him to expose wright as a cheater.

-zak indeed hit's brushel,but not with a bottle,nor with any type of serious assult,that would only proove him a jerk further,i highly doubt zak would normally hit a person with a bottle,and he was angry becouse,becouse his plan failed,wright would keep the reputation he no longer needed and no longer deserved.

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No, Zak doesn't have superpowers. Only the Gramaryes have that power, and since Zak is only a Gramarye through marriage, he doesn't have that power. Knowing that Kristoph was bad, that was just chance. Which means it was simply "meeting him through a game of poker".



Zak helped to lose him his job. I can't remember that case too well, so I'm not going to argue with you about the thing with Valant. But it wasn't the perfect moment to expose Phoenix as a cheater. Phoenix cheated so he could earn money to raise Zak's kid. There was no need to expose Phoenix as a cheater. Especially since Phoenix still needed to earn money. Zak couldn't honestly be expecting Trucy to earn all the money for her family, she's only 15. Anyway, I don't think that was the reason Zak was trying to destroy Phoenix, was it?



He still hit Brushel. It doesn't really matter what he hit him with. He probably would normally hit someone with a bottle, since he's got no problem belting people when things don't go his way.

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If that was Zak's reason for wanting to destroy Phoenix's reputation (ie he was mad that Nick used Trucy's powers for his own gain), then he's a hypocrite as well as a jerk. Remember who helped him escape that day? Trucy (and she was 8 years old at the time). He used Trucy to help him escape the law (and he basically abandoned her after), so he hardly has any right to be mad at Nick for using Trucy's powers to earn money so he can feed Trucy.

And from his conversation I quoted a few posts ago, I think it was more because of his pride than his discomfort at Nick using Trucy's powers. And because of his pride, he forgot who was feeding (and had been feeding) Trucy all these years...

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reputation.

trucy helping zak greatly decreased his reputation(on purpose to protect valant) while trucy helping wright greatly increased wright's reputation as a poker player ,wright dserved earning money,but didn't deserve his reputation,and as trucy would be given the rights,wright wouldn't need his reputation or money earning job anymore

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But if Phoenix lost his great reputation, he'd lose his job too. And it's like I've already said, Zak shouldn't be expecting Trucy to take care of her family financially, she hasn't even finished school yet.

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so the chances of trucy affording food for both herself and wright using the rights are the same chances as a 13 year old girl becoming a prosecutor with an undefeatable streak untill the age of 18.

if franziska,doughter of manfred von karma was able to it

then trucy,grandoughter of magnifi gramarye can also do it

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Something unlikely happened. Therefore, something with no connection to the first event that is also unlikely could totally happen.

Shitty logic, bro.


Despite being blind, Stevie Wonder was able to get a successful career as a piano player. Still makes me a jerk if I steal a one-legged guy's crutches.

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Somehow hit quote instead of edit. My bad.

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unrellated,i explained how both are blood related to great poeple,besides, "if one man.....err....woman can do it,then another one can"

the other connection between both things is "the abilaty to do an extremly difficult job at an extremly early age"

your example was in no way as connected

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Franziska was able to become a prosecutor at age 13 because her father was still around paying for her schooling. His reputation is probably what got her her job (since it clearly wasn't her skill!). Maybe her mother's still alive, maybe her sister helps support her; either way she had established her career by the time she lost her father, and has probably never struggled to maintain her lifestyle. And if she did, Edgeworth would probably help her.

That's nothing like an eight year old girl who's father is labeled a murderer trying to raise money for herself and her unemployed foster dad (who she's just met herself).

I'm not sure why you're so determined to fight this "Zak is a jerk" thing because no one's saying you're not allowed to like the assholes. Most of my favorite characters are villains.

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