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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
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I thought it was gayer than psyche-locks.

Which was gay to begin with.

PW1 had the best system.

y'now, it really pisses me off when people use "gay" as an insult.


Me too.

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The point of this was that I was agreeing.


if you agreed, you should have typed somethinglike "i totally agree", to avoid such a misunderstanding. i'm not sure, but i think that's considered spam.


I thought it was somewhat obvious, but meh.
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Don't feed the trolls. :godot: Seriously, what 'system' is there to speak of in the first game? I think the Magatama was a great innovation, and I didn't mind that it was brought back briefly in AJ. It's the only tangible link to Phoenix's past, which is really sad, to be honest.


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Quizer wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. :godot: Seriously, what 'system' is there to speak of in the first game? I think the Magatama was a great innovation, and I didn't mind that it was brought back briefly in AJ. It's the only tangible link to Phoenix's past, which is really sad, to be honest.


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i suppose more cameos would have been nice...
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Shelly de Killer wrote:
I thought it was gayer than psyche-locks.

Which was gay to begin with.

PW1 had the best system.

y'now, it really pisses me off when people use "gay" as an insult.



And it pisses me off when people complain about it. ;)
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Quizer wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. :godot: Seriously, what 'system' is there to speak of in the first game? I think the Magatama was a great innovation, and I didn't mind that it was brought back briefly in AJ. It's the only tangible link to Phoenix's past, which is really sad, to be honest.


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The one that didn't involve losing all your life in one chance (have no idea why they thought a life bar was better) and the one that didn't involve psyche locks and all that garbage to just make the game more tedious.
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Shelly de Killer wrote:
The one that didn't involve losing all your life in one chance (have no idea why they thought a life bar was better) and the one that didn't involve psyche locks and all that garbage to just make the game more tedious.
Huh, guess someone didn't like the innovations of the new games. I thought the life bar was a cool idea. I don't think the few times where you get large penalties are that much of a problem, especially if you remember to save frequently, which should be common sense. At other times, you only lose a smaller amount of life than the standard 20%.

Also, why do you think psyche locks make the game more tedious?


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Quizer wrote:
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The one that didn't involve losing all your life in one chance (have no idea why they thought a life bar was better) and the one that didn't involve psyche locks and all that garbage to just make the game more tedious.
Huh, guess someone didn't like the innovations of the new games. I thought the life bar was a cool idea. I don't think the few times where you get large penalties are that much of a problem, especially if you remember to save frequently, which should be common sense. At other times, you only lose a smaller amount of life than the standard 20%.

Also, why do you think psyche locks make the game more tedious?


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Because you are penalized for every mistake (and if you make lots of them getting all that life back is hard) compared to pw 1 where you present evidence simply and if it's wrong they just say some random shit with no penalty

And I love innovation/ I love how in pw 1 in the last case you could examine fingerprints, look at the evidence in a 3d perspective, I love how they brought that great system from that case into pw 4 and revamped it, adding a few more features.

But psyche locks are bullshit because not only do you lose life when making mistakes in court, but in the freaking investigation too.

The perceive system didn't seem that interesting. In fact, I found it sad that instead of using evidence and facts you have to look if someone gets nervous at certain parts when he talks and point it out, I mean do lawyers really do this to win their cases?
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Shelly de Killer wrote:
Quizer wrote:
Shelly de Killer wrote:
The one that didn't involve losing all your life in one chance (have no idea why they thought a life bar was better) and the one that didn't involve psyche locks and all that garbage to just make the game more tedious.
Huh, guess someone didn't like the innovations of the new games. I thought the life bar was a cool idea. I don't think the few times where you get large penalties are that much of a problem, especially if you remember to save frequently, which should be common sense. At other times, you only lose a smaller amount of life than the standard 20%.

Also, why do you think psyche locks make the game more tedious?


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Because you are penalized for every mistake (and if you make lots of them getting all that life back is hard) compared to pw 1 where you present evidence simply and if it's wrong they just say some random shit with no penalty

And I love innovation/ I love how in pw 1 in the last case you could examine fingerprints, look at the evidence in a 3d perspective, I love how they brought that great system from that case into pw 4 and revamped it, adding a few more features.

But psyche locks are bullshit because not only do you lose life when making mistakes in court, but in the freaking investigation too.

The perceive system didn't seem that interesting. In fact, I found it sad that instead of using evidence and facts you have to look if someone gets nervous at certain parts when he talks and point it out, I mean do lawyers really do this to win their cases?


It's a video game.

They attempted to add new gimmicks aside from the Magatama to freshen up the GS game play, and it fell somewhat flat. I am somewhat glad that they put in the Magatama/bracelet, since I always felt that (up until case five) Phoenix Wright AA was a bit too easy. (That and not being able to present profiles in either AA or AJ somewhat cut your possibilities down...)
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I'm indifferent about the bracelet. The concept was a clever idea, but the actual way they used it was rather lame. Without any clear indication of what you're looking for it leads to a bunch of tedious 'trial and error' crap, something that should have died out with the NES. It's also weird that most of the time you use it in the courtroom, which I'm suprised no one called Apollo out on it. Body twitches can't always be used to accurately determine if someone's lying or hiding something or not. The witnesses are testfying in court about a murder, I think I'd be rather nervous myself if I was in their position. If Apollo had been going up against prosecutors like say, Edgeworth, Franziska or Manfred he'd be laughed out of the courtroom before he can say "Gotcha!". It would had made much more sense if it was used strictly for investigations.
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Without any clear indication of what you're looking for it leads to a bunch of tedious 'trial and error' crap, something that should have died out with the NES.


Really? I thought it was shown where it was all too clearly.
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Shelly de Killer wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Shelly de Killer wrote:
I thought it was gayer than psyche-locks.

Which was gay to begin with.

PW1 had the best system.

y'now, it really pisses me off when people use "gay" as an insult.



And it pisses me off when people complain about it. ;)

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It was okay. To be honest, I never actually LIKED solving the Psyche-Locks because I was never really good at them and I hated going to court without my full hearth; but it was nice to know exactly when people were lying. I kinda took it for granted. I mean, when I play AJ and I think about it; if I actually had the Magatama, then so many characters would be getting the locks. You could see exactly when they were lying and what about. Sure, the bracelets are easier to solve, but it's not as precise with the lies as the Magatama was. All in all, I actually think the psyche-locks were better @__@. But still; I like the concept.
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Too bad Trucy didn't 'inherit' the magatama, or we could have used both. :godot:


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the perceive system isn't bad but the Psyche-Locks weren't that bad either. i just wish you could use the perceive system more.
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It was a fairly good idea, but it shouldn't be so limited, you use it about 5 times in the game, and each time it was painfully signposted.
I think the bracelet needs to always be usable so it's less obvious when you have to use it.

Agreed.
I think it made a really good creepy effect too. :)
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Just something to replace the Magatama
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Need I say anything... I thought someone had slipped Apollo something nasty under his bracelet and in truth he was either dieing or having some messed up drug related attack... O.e; I felt worried for him, of course.... O.o

But yeah... It's a pretty awesome talent... :D I'd have to say I like it more than the megatama... Sorry Phoenix....
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