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Case 4 specific (and very big system information) :
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Case 4: Turnabout - The One Who Inherited
death by: poison
dealing with: paintings


Odoroki was told in this case that the judicial system has been changed. Now it is not a one-man decision, he needs to get a unified jury agreement. There is also a test trial for him to practice. (The judge lost his job? @@ )

A famous artist suddenly died during an interview in his studio, police found out that he was poisoned.

The suspect is a young girl named Makoto (19). It is revealed later on she had the same last name as the artist. (Based on the age I guess it is father/daughter)

The witness is a journalist. We get to meet him during a Magic Expo type of event. I so wanted it to be Lotta, but it is another man.

The artist is very good at hiding underpaintings of his works
in unexpected places.

Although he was poisoned, there were no traces of poison found in his studio. All reactions came from a postage stamp. There are chemical reactions, however, found on his mug. An red envelope had also been found and picked up.

The witness suspected it was the coffee. But himself drank it too and did not die. But the coffee mug was the only thing the artist touched during the entire interview.

The victim was seen writing a letter before the interview and seemed to be in panic when the journalist saw him. He thought he was writing his will.

The only person in the studio at that time was the suspect.

There is a hidden picture drawn on the envelope.

(how the artist had died is a given now, so I will leave it up for you guys, lol. )

This case is indeed related to what happened 7 years ago...


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Up to 4 Already? Then may I ask about cases two and three?
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Spoiler: the trial system?
So is this a permanent change? Is the Judge completely out of a job, or is it like he's just there to oversee stuff or what?

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Spoiler: real life
In every court you have a judge even with a jury. The judges just conduct the trial, while the jury makes the descision. I doubt GS4 will be any different

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OMGSH. ALL OF THIS IS AMAZING!! spazzes.

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i'm...honestly hoping Maya didn't die. :C like Darzie, i'd go emo too. or just make angst fanfiction.
and OMGSH NARUHOBO. hits him multiple times. WHYY. D:


i actually would be very amused if Pearl wanted to be a stage magician and she was Minuki. XD; but. meh.
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Gerkuman wrote:
Up to 4 Already? Then may I ask about cases two and three?



You can ask, but my Japanese is too poor, so I may not give you a good answer. Edgy

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The Judge:

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I only thinking the judge is gone because of Odoroki asked about him, but it is NOT CONFIRMED...this is my own guess and might very well be wrong.


Regarding about my earlier spoilers:

Case 1:
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Naruhodo is heavily rumored to use illegal ways to win his cases. However, this is
NOT proven - and that is Garyuu's motive, to prove his legend is not clean. once and for all.

The Ace card is a forged evidence, but right then he is no lawyer, like he said, so I can not see this is a proof that Naruhodo really did anything bad 7 years ago. His words are not reliable.


To spoil the logic contradiction and ways of making the crime will lose the fun of playing. I explained this earlier on already. So you will be seeing things left out intentionally.

I don't think the office name is spelling confusion, if they are written in hiragana, maybe. both of them are written in kanjis.

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The entertainment company: 成歩堂芸能事務所
The law office: 成歩堂法律事務所
later on: 成歩堂なんでも事務所

They may be one office. But, either way, for Odoroki it was two. (laughs) And he is inheriting the law side. See case 4 title.


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Gerkuman wrote:
Spoiler: real life
In every court you have a judge even with a jury. The judges just conduct the trial, while the jury makes the descision. I doubt GS4 will be any different



Spoiler: Not real life
Well, you never know. 20 years from now is a nice gap in time, so who's to say the new law could make juries without need for a judge?



As for the whole "genius" thing....


Spoiler: Genius
I'm going to go with a different choice, and say that the person who died was either Edgeworth or Franziska. They're the only two geniuses Phoenix knows that he could consider a friend, really.

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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Spoiler: Genius
I'm going to go with a different choice, and say that the person who died was either Edgeworth or Franziska. They're the only two geniuses Phoenix knows that he could consider a friend, really.



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Could he really consider Friska a friend? Yes, she saved him on the eleventh hour twice (i think) but still the whipping and spite.

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Case 4 is just giving me the chills. Am I... really ready for the truth? Seriously, I don't want it to be Edgey-boy Larry
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So...No sign of maya yet? Any subtle hints? anything? Sadshoe
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So...No sign of maya yet? Any subtle hints? anything? Sadshoe

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Up to the 1st half of Case 4...No. (in shock)


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Naila wrote:
jongsoojong wrote:
So...No sign of maya yet? Any subtle hints? anything? Sadshoe


Spoiler:
Up to the 1st half of Case 4...No. (in shock)


Q^Q;; is ready to burst into tears.
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DarzieP wrote:
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Could he really consider Friska a friend? Yes, she saved him on the eleventh hour twice (i think) but still the whipping and spite.



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Maybe not as much as the others, but he's certainly on more relative grounds with her than most of the non-main characters, from what I've seen. Plus, since she did save him a few times, I think it wouldn't be out of the question to consider that he'd cheat the law to get her killer behind bars, even if it isn't the right way to do so.



jongsoojong wrote:
So...No sign of maya yet? Any subtle hints? anything? Sadshoe


I don't remember who it was, but someone found a remixed version of the Psyche-Lock theme when they ripped the music from the rom. Aside from that, no references to the Feys as far as I know.
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Spoiler: victim?
The famous artist wouldn't happen to be use Mashisu Tenryuusai as a pen name would he? I certainly hope not...


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Sogeking wrote:
Spoiler: victim?
The famous artist wouldn't happen to be named Mashisu Tenryuusai would it? I certainly hope not...



Spoiler:
LARRY??? It can't be!!! They can't kill of half the Phoenix Arc!

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DarzieP wrote:
Sogeking wrote:
Spoiler: victim?
The famous artist wouldn't happen to be named Mashisu Tenryuusai would it? I certainly hope not...



Spoiler:
LARRY??? It can't be!!! They can't kill of half the Phoenix Arc!


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Ack

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so...there's...a bunch of people on the POSSIBLE DEATH LIST FOR GS4 now. >_>; wow.

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DarzieP wrote:
Sogeking wrote:
Spoiler: victim?
The famous artist wouldn't happen to be named Mashisu Tenryuusai would it? I certainly hope not...



Spoiler:
LARRY??? It can't be!!! They can't kill of half the Phoenix Arc!

Spoiler:
no, no... Larry's not 'famous'.

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seka wrote:
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no, no... Larry's pretty far from being a 'genius.'



......... Nick

THE VICTIM IN CASE FOUR! Not this zomg why???? genius person.
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It's possible; that was actually my first guess

Spoiler: PW:AA
He did build the thinkers afterall.


And none of the PW cast are famous if you follow that argument through.
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seka wrote:
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no, no... Larry's not 'famous'.



But a lot can happen in 7 years, right? I mean, look at the famous lawyer... Hobohodo
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Spoiler: Phoenix?
Forging evidence? Holy crap, that doesn't sound like the Nick we know. Something HUGE must have happened to this "genius".
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DarzieP wrote:
seka wrote:
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no, no... Larry's pretty far from being a 'genius.'



......... Nick

THE VICTIM IN CASE FOUR! Not this zomg why???? genius person.

I was confused since me and my friend were talking about the genius.
edited like 1 second after I posted and realized my mistake >>
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A painter died in his studio, eh?

Could it have anything to do with this here enigmatic intro sequence?

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DarzieP wrote:
Sogeking wrote:
Spoiler: victim?
The famous artist wouldn't happen to be named Mashisu Tenryuusai would it? I certainly hope not...



Spoiler:
LARRY??? It can't be!!! They can't kill of half the Phoenix Arc!


I just thought of something...

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What if Larry wasn't the famous painter who was the victim...but the GENIUS from 7 years ago whose death caused Phoenix to allegedly forge evidence for? And what if the painter was related to Larry that way (through the art community or something)?!


Chew on that for a seconds. Judge
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A painter died in his studio, eh?

Could it have anything to do with this here enigmatic intro sequence?


I would think it is the same studio.
And does that shadow really look like Larry? Larry

I lack the skill to translate kanji names into Romanji...so...my bad (apologize to those who are concerned)

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Spoiler: genius
Larry, a genius? O_o
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Spoiler: genius
Larry, a genius? O_o



Spoiler:
You never know. Maya supposedly had a following or at least was well known in 2-2. And who knows what could have happened to his art career after the last case in the Phoenix arc? He could have hit it big just before he hit the bricks, so to speak.

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Any new info yet?!?!?!?!

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Zomg, i am dying to know who died!! Beef
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Man, there's already people with info on case 4.

I'm so out of here.

I'll see you guys once I'm done with the game >_>
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Spoiler: GS4
The witness suspected it was the coffee. But himself drank it too and did not die. But the coffee mug was the only thing the artist touched during the entire interview.

ZOMFG GODOT?
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jongsoojong wrote:
Any new info yet?!?!?!?!

Spoiler:
Zomg, i am dying to know who died!! Beef



No... I won't be updating until evening time.

In the mean time, relax...
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the artist is not Larry.


Although I do sense what happened 7 years ago is not pretty...dunno who died by then. Will tell as soon as I find out.
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Darn, your evening time is 2-3 o'clock in the morning for me :F I'll check it tomorrow, if I can sleep with all this excitememt
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Kryptik wrote:
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Spoiler: genius
Larry, a genius? O_o



Spoiler:
You never know. Maya supposedly had a following or at least was well known in 2-2. And who knows what could have happened to his art career after the last case in the Phoenix arc? He could have hit it big just before he hit the bricks, so to speak.


Spoiler: Larry's Credibility
Not to mention Larry may not be "intelligent" neccesarilly, but he could be considered an artistic genius later in his years.

If you come across an older post of mine, said with insensitivity or without empathy, I am sorry.
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You know, with all this stuff about Phoenix, something came to me that, while just a wild theory, could fit Garyuu's attempt to screw over our ex-protagonist;

Spoiler: Garyuu and Phoenix
It's been said that Garyuu mainly committed the crime in 4-1 so he could expose Phoenix's unlawful/illegal methods to winning cases. Well, what if the "methods" aren't anything physical, but spiritual? I'm speaking, of course, of the Feys and their powers.

Both the ability to summon spirits from the dead, and the Magatama are rather impractical tools Phoenix has used to win cases, and while there were no gripes about him using them in the original trilogy, perhaps he used these powers to get someone convicted in a way that really wouldn't have been possible without those powers. I'm not sure how, but it could be a possibility.

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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
You know, with all this stuff about Phoenix, something came to me that, while just a wild theory, could fit Garyuu's attempt to screw over our ex-protagonist;

Spoiler: Garyuu and Phoenix
It's been said that Garyuu mainly committed the crime in 4-1 so he could expose Phoenix's unlawful/illegal methods to winning cases. Well, what if the "methods" aren't anything physical, but spiritual? I'm speaking, of course, of the Feys and their powers.

Both the ability to summon spirits from the dead, and the Magatama are rather impractical tools Phoenix has used to win cases, and while there were no gripes about him using them in the original trilogy, perhaps he used these powers to get someone convicted in a way that really wouldn't have been possible without those powers. I'm not sure how, but it could be a possibility.



Spoiler: Hobohodo
That makes sense to me, and it also explains how he wins so consistently at poker...
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Spoiler: aha!
Yes, the magatama would be useful. He could tell whether his opponent had a good hand or not, and he could play accordingly.

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Spoiler: Poker playing
That's what I figured made him so good at it.

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Spoiler: GS4 Speculation
Based on what's been given by Naila (Thank U! <3). I'd say that Edgeworth was the genius most likely--in the case, 7 years ago...

And as for the whole Minuki being Hobohodo's daughter... I somehow speculate that...(Oh god, this is pathetic...) Minuki could be the child of Kaminoga and Mia. ...It's slightly possible! Since Mia and Kaminoga are both dead, they could have left something behind for Phoenix or Maya to foster over... Of course, there are flaws in this speculation... Such as the secrecy of the baby and "How come it wasn't discovered by anyone after Mia or Kaminoga died?"

The only thing, is that for this to happen, Maya would somehow have to be apart of it... But seeing as she has not been spotted yet in case 4... (Maybe there are 5 cases instead of 4?) Anyway. The theory is crack, as of now... :/

Otherwise...I favor Minuki=Pearl.
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but isnt the magatama suppose to react when someone is lying? That is if Phoenix asked them what they had...But why will Garyuu be caring if he cheated or not?

You were born on the same day as your birthday, right?
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Spoiler: GS4 Speculation
Based on what's been given by Naila (Thank U! <3). I'd say that Edgeworth was the genius most likely--in the case, 7 years ago...

And as for the whole Minuki being Hobohodo's daughter... I somehow speculate that...(Oh god, this is pathetic...) Minuki could be the child of Kaminoga and Mia. ...It's slightly possible! Since Mia and Kaminoga are both dead, they could have left something behind for Phoenix or Maya to foster over... Of course, there are flaws in this speculation... Such as the secrecy of the baby and "How come it wasn't discovered by anyone after Mia or Kaminoga died?"

The only thing, is that for this to happen, Maya would somehow have to be apart of it... But seeing as she has not been spotted yet in case 4... (Maybe there are 5 cases instead of 4?) Anyway. The theory is crack, as of now... :/

Otherwise...I favor Minuki=Pearl.



Ack !
i actually like your theory.
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but yeah, as you mentioned it, there would be the where-and-how-did-you-guys-keep-it-a-secret?! i'm hoping for a case 5 to liven things up. XD; Maya hasn't been spotted in the first half of case 4, so i'm trying to hold on to all hope left. aka thinking up of fanfiction.

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