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I hope the reason Capcom held things back is theyre saving them for GS5.
With the paintings, I wanted it to be that....
Phoenix drew the sketches himself because "Drew Misham" didn't actually exsist. :D Misham = Phoenix = Misham, someone made up! It was after all, all organised by Phoenix and a "test" for Apollo. Does that make sense??
Also I thought it was wierd in the "7 years ago" part, the profiles of everyone talked as if it was in the present, eg 7 Years Ago it said Apollo was "A Greenhorn Defense Attorney", he was an attorney at 15?? And it said Kristoph was "currently in prison" when he was 25 (*is confused*)
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Krsitoph's 5 BLACK PSYCHE LOCKS! WHOA! :o How come Phoenix never broke those? I sort of figured Kristoph was an evil B*st*rd before that, but not that evil. Why did he become evil?
Bad upbringing? He never got a pony when he was a kid? Now that he's been locked up for two murders, the world may never know.
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Apollo is Trucy's brother (half brother?)?!? Holy bananas Batman! Why, how, who?
Um...well, when a man and a woman love each other very much...
Thalassa had Apollo with her first husband; after he died, Thalassa put her son up for adoption (maybe to get him away from the assholes in her magic troupe?). She had Trucy with Zak. I'm not really sure how else to explain whatever you're asking.
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Did Kristoph kill Zak because he was involved with the case 7 years ago, was that all??
Pretty much. Maybe Kristoph thought Zak knew too much about what really went down. There's also the chance Krissy was still pissed at him for picking Phoenix to defend him.
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If 4-1 used false evidence - the bloody ace - why did that case count?
Because the judge didn't find out the ace was forged.
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And in 4-4 the yellow envelope was fake! Shouldnt Apollo lose his badge?!
Apollo never attempted to pass the envelope off as the real thing. He said flat-out that it was a replica of the real envelope Kristoph had in his prison cell.
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Nah. It'd go something like this.
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I liked it up until you did the flashback part, cause that was where the case started to fall apart for me. I mean, here they go and make 3 whole games where we learn about Phoenix Wright, and when they make a new game with a new main character, they go and focus on Phoenix again for the climax of the game. It just ruined the case for me.
Plus, it just seemed like they wanted to end the game with a bang by throwing in the lovely plot twists of "Apollo and Trucy being siblings", and "Lamiroir is actually Thalassa". It was just too convenient that this one person from a case just happened to be the main character's mother.
Not to mention the last trial itself was disappointing, where it lasted about 45 minutes until it's completion, where you present NO decisive evidence, or even come close to proving that Kristoph killed Drew Misham and poisoned Vera.
Plus, at the end of the case, you get to choose the verdict, immediately throwing out the point of even doing the case in the first place. After all, who would seriously choose "Guilty" when they're seriously playing the game. Apollo could have just ignored the whole thing, and then when you chose the verdict you still could have chosen "Not Guilty".
Plus, I hated the fact that they implemented the Jurist system, cause it basically throws out the court system that I liked. I liked having to present decisive evidence, it made the case more difficult, and more satisfying when you beat it. That's why I hope that they don't keep the jurist system for GS5, or else I'll probably end up falling out of the entire series.
It just seemed like having Phoenix lose his job as a lawyer was a cheap hook in order to have people buy the game. They could have cut all connections between the Phoenix Wright Arc and Apollo Justice arc, throwing out all the old characters, despite how much we love them, and Apollo Justice would have been just as good.
I don't know, I liked case 1, I liked case 2, I liked case 3, but case 4 was just the biggest let down of all times, if you ask me.
Anyway, [/rant] now. That's just what I think.
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It just seemed like having Phoenix lose his job as a lawyer was a cheap hook in order to have people buy the game. They could have cut all connections between the Phoenix Wright Arc and Apollo Justice arc, throwing out all the old characters, despite how much we love them, and Apollo Justice would have been just as good.
Also: Brilliant comic, I laughed so hard at that.
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Phoenix said, right at the beginning that Vera was "guilty, most likely".
I hope the questions left open in this game are answered in GS5.
Another thing I didnt like was in the Phoenix Wrights final trial part, Phoenix is shown as a right cocky b*st*rd TBH, way too overconfident. The appealing thing about Nick in AA1-3 was how he was always the underdog. Though if it hadnt been for the fake notebook he would have beat Klavier hands down.
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Yet they just go and have Klavier say: Oh, and don't present the diary.
Just so that, you know, you couldn't point out the fact that the diary is a sham piece of evidence in the first place.
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grim_tales wrote:
Another thing I didnt like was in the Phoenix Wrights final trial part, Phoenix is shown as a right cocky b*st*rd TBH, way too overconfident. .
Think about it, if you hadn't lost a SINGLE case all those years, you might start acting a little cocky or overconfident. Remember Edgeworth was also like that for sometime till Wright showed up.
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Me, I was disappointed by 4-4 too. Alot.
I liked it up until you did the flashback part, cause that was where the case started to fall apart for me. I mean, here they go and make 3 whole games where we learn about Phoenix Wright, and when they make a new game with a new main character, they go and focus on Phoenix again for the climax of the game. It just ruined the case for me.
Plus, it just seemed like they wanted to end the game with a bang by throwing in the lovely plot twists of "Apollo and Trucy being siblings", and "Lamiroir is actually Thalassa". It was just too convenient that this one person from a case just happened to be the main character's mother.
Not to mention the last trial itself was disappointing, where it lasted about 45 minutes until it's completion, where you present NO decisive evidence, or even come close to proving that Kristoph killed Drew Misham and poisoned Vera.
Plus, at the end of the case, you get to choose the verdict, immediately throwing out the point of even doing the case in the first place. After all, who would seriously choose "Guilty" when they're seriously playing the game. Apollo could have just ignored the whole thing, and then when you chose the verdict you still could have chosen "Not Guilty".
Plus, I hated the fact that they implemented the Jurist system, cause it basically throws out the court system that I liked. I liked having to present decisive evidence, it made the case more difficult, and more satisfying when you beat it. That's why I hope that they don't keep the jurist system for GS5, or else I'll probably end up falling out of the entire series.
It just seemed like having Phoenix lose his job as a lawyer was a cheap hook in order to have people buy the game. They could have cut all connections between the Phoenix Wright Arc and Apollo Justice arc, throwing out all the old characters, despite how much we love them, and Apollo Justice would have been just as good.
I don't know, I liked case 1, I liked case 2, I liked case 3, but case 4 was just the biggest let down of all times, if you ask me.
Anyway, [/rant] now. That's just what I think.
Also: Brilliant comic, I laughed so hard at that.
I liked it up until you did the flashback part, cause that was where the case started to fall apart for me. I mean, here they go and make 3 whole games where we learn about Phoenix Wright, and when they make a new game with a new main character, they go and focus on Phoenix again for the climax of the game. It just ruined the case for me.
Plus, it just seemed like they wanted to end the game with a bang by throwing in the lovely plot twists of "Apollo and Trucy being siblings", and "Lamiroir is actually Thalassa". It was just too convenient that this one person from a case just happened to be the main character's mother.
Not to mention the last trial itself was disappointing, where it lasted about 45 minutes until it's completion, where you present NO decisive evidence, or even come close to proving that Kristoph killed Drew Misham and poisoned Vera.
Plus, at the end of the case, you get to choose the verdict, immediately throwing out the point of even doing the case in the first place. After all, who would seriously choose "Guilty" when they're seriously playing the game. Apollo could have just ignored the whole thing, and then when you chose the verdict you still could have chosen "Not Guilty".
Plus, I hated the fact that they implemented the Jurist system, cause it basically throws out the court system that I liked. I liked having to present decisive evidence, it made the case more difficult, and more satisfying when you beat it. That's why I hope that they don't keep the jurist system for GS5, or else I'll probably end up falling out of the entire series.
It just seemed like having Phoenix lose his job as a lawyer was a cheap hook in order to have people buy the game. They could have cut all connections between the Phoenix Wright Arc and Apollo Justice arc, throwing out all the old characters, despite how much we love them, and Apollo Justice would have been just as good.
I don't know, I liked case 1, I liked case 2, I liked case 3, but case 4 was just the biggest let down of all times, if you ask me.
Anyway, [/rant] now. That's just what I think.
Also: Brilliant comic, I laughed so hard at that.
When they decided to have a new cast, Capcom said they had to follow certain conditions like
-Showing a positive view of a jury system.
-Having old charecters, especially Pheonix or something.
So that's why those 2 things are like that. Capcom made them.
I really don't see what's wrong with the Guilty/Not-Guilty thing. It's choosing bad or good ending, some other games have similar things where you can choose to do something like join the bad guy and then it might give you game over.
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DA_Stephen wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
Another thing I didnt like was in the Phoenix Wrights final trial part, Phoenix is shown as a right cocky b*st*rd TBH, way too overconfident. .
Think about it, if you hadn't lost a SINGLE case all those years, you might start acting a little cocky or overconfident. Remember Edgeworth was also like that for sometime till Wright showed up.
Good point :)
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When they decided to have a new cast, Capcom said they had to follow certain conditions like
-Showing a positive view of a jury system.
-Having old charecters, especially Pheonix or something.
So that's why those 2 things are like that. Capcom made them.
I really don't see what's wrong with the Guilty/Not-Guilty thing. It's choosing bad or good ending, some other games have similar things where you can choose to do something like join the bad guy and then it might give you game over.
-Showing a positive view of a jury system.
-Having old charecters, especially Pheonix or something.
So that's why those 2 things are like that. Capcom made them.
I really don't see what's wrong with the Guilty/Not-Guilty thing. It's choosing bad or good ending, some other games have similar things where you can choose to do something like join the bad guy and then it might give you game over.
Well, if they had the old characters in it, the game is forced to wrap up what happened to them all, which was what ALL of case 4 was about. That's why I really got kind of annoyed, cause like I said, they spend all of case 4 focusing on Phoenix instead of the main character, Apollo. It basically made the point of having a new main character null and void if they were just going to focus on Phoenix.
As for the whole Guilty/Not-Guilty thing, yes, it's choosing the good and bad ending of the game. The problem I have with it though is that it basically makes doing the whole case pointless. Honestly, they could have had 1000 pieces of evidence that could prove that Vera was 100% guilty without a doubt, but if any actual serious gamer were playing that game, they would still choose Not-Guilty, because you're the player, and you want to win.
It does show that you don't need decisive evidence to win a case and all that, which is good, yet it goes against everything that the Ace Attorney series has built up. Plus, it kinda throws out the feeling of satisfaction you get when you win, because you really didn't do a lot of work to earn it (Or at least in that trial you didn't).
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I'm still excited for the next game and want to know what happens next, though I like
I don't want it to be "The Phoenix and Apollo Show", just lessen his role. He can still be there but its supposed to Apollo's game now.Why did they make out that Trucy's mother had died? I know that if a person goes missing for 7 years theyre considered dead, and the accident on stage (she didnt die) was 10 years previously.
If she was
's mother though, in Case 3 why didnt she say something like "There's something about you that looks familliar, but I cant figure out what..." I figured it when I saw her profile and compared it to Lamiroir.
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grim_tales wrote:
In the end credits Trucy says something like "At least I have you Apollo, my big little brother", does that mean she knew?!
I don't remember this being said. I think she just said, "At least I have you Apollo." Cause I don't remember anything Trucy said that let us knew that she knew Apollo was her brother.
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I'm still excited for the next game and want to know what happens next, though I like I don't want it to be "The Phoenix and Apollo Show", just lessen his role. He can still be there but its supposed to Apollo's game now.
I don't want it to be "The Phoenix and Apollo Show", just lessen his role. He can still be there but its supposed to Apollo's game now.This. Very much.
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Why did they make out that Trucy's mother had died? I know that if a person goes missing for 7 years theyre considered dead, and the accident on stage (she didnt die) was 10 years previously.
If she was 's mother though, in Case 3 why didnt she say something like "There's something about you that looks familliar, but I cant figure out what..." I figured it when I saw her profile and compared it to Lamiroir.
If she was
's mother though, in Case 3 why didnt she say something like "There's something about you that looks familliar, but I cant figure out what..." I figured it when I saw her profile and compared it to Lamiroir.Well, when the accident happened, Trucy was only 5. It's possible that the shock of losing her mother made her block out what had happened. Plus, when you saw Lamiroir, you never got a good look at her face or hair, so it was a little hard to tell. Not to mention Trucy probably completely forgot what her mom sounded like. So, basically, she didn't remember anything about her mom when she met Lamiroir. She probably subconsciously recognized Lamiroir, and would explain why Trucy responded well to her, but she didn't know who she really was, due to how her face and hair were hidden.
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slaix223 wrote:
Superninfreak wrote:
When they decided to have a new cast, Capcom said they had to follow certain conditions like
-Showing a positive view of a jury system.
-Having old charecters, especially Pheonix or something.
So that's why those 2 things are like that. Capcom made them.
I really don't see what's wrong with the Guilty/Not-Guilty thing. It's choosing bad or good ending, some other games have similar things where you can choose to do something like join the bad guy and then it might give you game over.
-Showing a positive view of a jury system.
-Having old charecters, especially Pheonix or something.
So that's why those 2 things are like that. Capcom made them.
I really don't see what's wrong with the Guilty/Not-Guilty thing. It's choosing bad or good ending, some other games have similar things where you can choose to do something like join the bad guy and then it might give you game over.
Well, if they had the old characters in it, the game is forced to wrap up what happened to them all, which was what ALL of case 4 was about. That's why I really got kind of annoyed, cause like I said, they spend all of case 4 focusing on Phoenix instead of the main character, Apollo. It basically made the point of having a new main character null and void if they were just going to focus on Phoenix.
As for the whole Guilty/Not-Guilty thing, yes, it's choosing the good and bad ending of the game. The problem I have with it though is that it basically makes doing the whole case pointless. Honestly, they could have had 1000 pieces of evidence that could prove that Vera was 100% guilty without a doubt, but if any actual serious gamer were playing that game, they would still choose Not-Guilty, because you're the player, and you want to win.
It does show that you don't need decisive evidence to win a case and all that, which is good, yet it goes against everything that the Ace Attorney series has built up. Plus, it kinda throws out the feeling of satisfaction you get when you win, because you really didn't do a lot of work to earn it (Or at least in that trial you didn't).
Some games seriously do have a thing like "do you want to join the bad guy" at the end (which can result in a game over if you agree) and they don't make it pointless even though no one being really serious would pick yes.
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DA_Stephen wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
Another thing I didnt like was in the Phoenix Wrights final trial part, Phoenix is shown as a right cocky b*st*rd TBH, way too overconfident. .
Think about it, if you hadn't lost a SINGLE case all those years, you might start acting a little cocky or overconfident. Remember Edgeworth was also like that for sometime till Wright showed up.
Except he did. He lost 2-4.
Interestingly, every single defendant in the final case of each game is guilty of some crime, though never murder by their own hands.
1) Changing crime scenes/whatever she did under Gant's command
2) Hire hitman
3) Accomplice to murder
4) Forgery of evidence
I agree that Phoenix is too cocky in his final case. I mean, T&T Case 5 was, what, a couple months prior? And he was far from cool and collected for most of the trial. Plus, he was literally completely unprepared for the trial.
As far as favorites go, this is probably my 5th favorite case, story-wise. Behind 2-4, 3-5, 1-4, and 1-5.
And yes, the diary was stupid. A page was ripped out = the murderer/someone had to have ripped it out.
By the way, what was von Karma's penalty for forging evidence? Anyone remember?
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Ollie wrote:
DA_Stephen wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
Another thing I didnt like was in the Phoenix Wrights final trial part, Phoenix is shown as a right cocky b*st*rd TBH, way too overconfident. .
Think about it, if you hadn't lost a SINGLE case all those years, you might start acting a little cocky or overconfident. Remember Edgeworth was also like that for sometime till Wright showed up.
Except he did. He lost 2-4.
By choice. He lost that case because that was what he wanted to happen. He had never really been beaten by a prosecutor when he wanted to win. Truly losing and choosing to lose are completely different things.
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I agree that Phoenix is too cocky in his final case. I mean, T&T Case 5 was, what, a couple months prior? And he was far from cool and collected for most of the trial. Plus, he was literally completely unprepared for the trial.
But remember that he really has always had a bit of a cocky streak that would show through from time to time in court. Hell, in 2-2 he taunts Franziska about his victory to the point that she whips him and that was the previous year. Several times, his confidence would shine through when he thought he'd won, but when he realized that it wasn't over, he would be shaken (hence his nervous pose). Besides, he had no real reason to fear Klavier as he did with the others prosecutors. Edgeworth was an old friend who had become the "Demon Prosecutor" for unknown reasons. Manfred was undefeated for fourty years (I think). Franziska was Manfred's perfect daughter out for revenge against Phoenix. Godot was an older man who Gumshoe described as clearly being more experienced then he appeared to be according to the records who also declares that he was out for revenge against Phoenix. Klavier had no connection to him other then being the case's prosecutor. Also, Phoenix was an experienced attorney with multiple victories under his belt (winning the most complex cases around over tremendous odds) and had by that point even surpassed his own mentor in skill by Mia's own admission. Klavier was a newbie who looked more like he belonged at a rock concert then a court room. Why wouldn't he a bit more confident in his own skills then previous games? Besides, at least part of his behavior is a reaction to Klavier's overconfidence and his desire to bring the new prosecutor down a few pegs before Klavier really got in trouble due to his attitude.
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Ollie wrote:
DA_Stephen wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
Another thing I didnt like was in the Phoenix Wrights final trial part, Phoenix is shown as a right cocky b*st*rd TBH, way too overconfident. .
Think about it, if you hadn't lost a SINGLE case all those years, you might start acting a little cocky or overconfident. Remember Edgeworth was also like that for sometime till Wright showed up.
Except he did. He lost 2-4.
Interestingly, every single defendant in the final case of each game is guilty of some crime, though never murder by their own hands.
1) Changing crime scenes/whatever she did under Gant's command
2) Hire hitman
3) Accomplice to murder
4) Forgery of evidence
I agree that Phoenix is too cocky in his final case. I mean, T&T Case 5 was, what, a couple months prior? And he was far from cool and collected for most of the trial. Plus, he was literally completely unprepared for the trial.
As far as favorites go, this is probably my 5th favorite case, story-wise. Behind 2-4, 3-5, 1-4, and 1-5.
And yes, the diary was stupid. A page was ripped out = the murderer/someone had to have ripped it out.
By the way, what was von Karma's penalty for forging evidence? Anyone remember?
What about 1-4? What did Edgy do (that was originally the final case of the 1st game, 1-5 was a bonus for the DS version)?
As for Pheonix's overconfidence, LOOK AT YOUNG KLAVIERS SPRITES! Combined with the fact that he's a rock star (or whatever he was at that point, he may not have been too popular yet) and IIRC talking about his band some, does Pheonix's attitude seem so strange?
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Didn't Phoenix also lose 1-3 (kind of?) Theres the part in the lobby where he tells Mia he lost the trial.
Klavier seemed a popular rock star even at 17.
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grim_tales wrote:
At the end of the game (AJ) I think Trucy says she sees Apollo as her brother.
Didn't Phoenix also lose 1-3 (kind of?) Theres the part in the lobby where he tells Mia he lost the trial.
Klavier seemed a popular rock star even at 17.
Didn't Phoenix also lose 1-3 (kind of?) Theres the part in the lobby where he tells Mia he lost the trial.
Klavier seemed a popular rock star even at 17.
Do you recall the statement? I just checked the script on CR for that case which you can find here and I don't see what you're talking about. He hadn't won by the point where Mia's leaves him, so he really couldn't make any such a statement to her and I don't see any such comment made in the case's wrap-up. He's thanked and praised by Will (and praised by the Judge who comments to him, "It appears you have brought about yet another miracle"). The only thing I can think is that maybe you're confusing 1-3 and 4-2. Apollo comments at the end of 4-2 to Trucy that he didn't lose, but he didn't really feel like he'd won either.
Spoiler: Script from ending in 1-3
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Another thing I didnt like was in the Phoenix Wrights final trial part, Phoenix is shown as a right cocky b*st*rd TBH, way too overconfident. .
He is written OOC. I have to agree with this. [Just made me madder over the disbarring. Some pathetic attempt at 'pride before a fall' by the writers maybe?]
Zak drugged him. I am eternally convinced of this. This explains his errors of judgment with the evidence too.
I wish they had gone with the original design for young Klavier, where he wears earphones listening to music throughout the trial.
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By choice. He lost that case because that was what he wanted to happen. He had never really been beaten by a prosecutor when he wanted to win. Truly losing and choosing to lose are completely different things.
True. But so much emphasis was placed on "UNDEFEATED!!!" when, literally, it's not accurate.
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But remember that he really has always had a bit of a cocky streak that would show through from time to time in court. Hell, in 2-2 he taunts Franziska about his victory to the point that she whips him and that was the previous year. Several times, his confidence would shine through when he thought he'd won, but when he realized that it wasn't over, he would be shaken (hence his nervous pose). Besides, he had no real reason to fear Klavier as he did with the others prosecutors. Edgeworth was an old friend who had become the "Demon Prosecutor" for unknown reasons. Manfred was undefeated for fourty years (I think). Franziska was Manfred's perfect daughter out for revenge against Phoenix. Godot was an older man who Gumshoe described as clearly being more experienced then he appeared to be according to the records who also declares that he was out for revenge against Phoenix. Klavier had no connection to him other then being the case's prosecutor. Also, Phoenix was an experienced attorney with multiple victories under his belt (winning the most complex cases around over tremendous odds) and had by that point even surpassed his own mentor in skill by Mia's own admission. Klavier was a newbie who looked more like he belonged at a rock concert then a court room. Why wouldn't he a bit more confident in his own skills then previous games? Besides, at least part of his behavior is a reaction to Klavier's overconfidence and his desire to bring the new prosecutor down a few pegs before Klavier really got in trouble due to his attitude.
But never is he seen throughout the entire trial as cocky, "what a newb," arrogant, and just plain condescending.
He really was poorly written for his final case- I don't remember it verbatim, but his wording while presenting the diary page was almost as if he knew it was fake (which he didn't, which makes it poorly written). Something like, G-"Finally. You just couldn't resist, could you?" W-"Resist what? Providing solid evidence?"
And if you're a lawyer, you don't present evidence given to you by a little girl who she herself had gotten from a third party.
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Hopefully in GS5 they will focus more on apollos background why he became an attorney how he worked at gavins law offices etc, and about the darkness klaviar felt about his brother etc. I do hope the jurist system was one off thought
but overall it was a good case imo
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