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Vera Misham - Artist or ARTIST?Topic%20Title
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I don't know what it is, but she's one of my favorite Phoenix Wright girls.

What is it that's so appealing about this sweet disaffected shut-in?

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Personally, I disliked the fact that she hardly says anything, yet she expects me to defend her in court (then again, all of the defendants in AJ are like this, so...).

Also, I don't like defending criminals - which means 3-2, 3-4 and 3-5 are going be really tough for me.

And lastly, given that she cost Phoenix his badge, any sympathy I have about her dad's death, quickly evaporates into thin air.

Even though I plainly dislike her, I have to say that as an artist, she is pretty good, I'll give her that. *Wishes he was as good as Vera is at art*
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Personally, I hate Vera, for being a no-life stupid, overly silent, shy (and ugly) girl who is also a criminal, but mostly it's not her fault, but her father's.

Her "awakening" at the end made me appreciate her a little more... a little...

The true dickhead is Drew. (AND Zak AND Kristoph...)
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I wanted more info about her kidnapping.

They just threw in an, "Oh, she was kidnapped" as an excuse without developing that at all :sadshoe:
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Personally, of all the complaints you can lay at Vera Misham. I find saying that she's ugly to be something that's just utterly without merit. Of course, I like Willowy and Ethereal girls with long hair. Plus, the shyness just increases the attractiveness of the character as well.
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I wanted more info about her kidnapping.

They just threw in an, "Oh, she was kidnapped" as an excuse without developing that at all :sadshoe:

I was half expecting them to blame that on Kristoph too.

I kind of liked Vera, but she just didn't fit as a defendant. She seemed way more like a witness type (they're the ones that have such quirks, rite). I can actually see her being a returning character though, so maybe she'll be fleshed out if she comes back in the next game.
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Personally, I found Vera quite the character, I believe she will make another appearence. She needs more character development. (As does Apollo).

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I wanted more info about her kidnapping.

They just threw in an, "Oh, she was kidnapped" as an excuse without developing that at all


Yeah.... I wanted to know too.

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The true dickhead is Drew. (AND Zak AND Kristoph...)


DON'T INSULT MY KRISSI! :P

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Also, I don't like defending criminals - which means 3-2, 3-4 and 3-5 are going be really tough for me.


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3-4 and 3-5 SEEM like criminals, but they are NOT

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Spoiler: 3-2,3-4,3-5
Fawles and Iris were both willing accomplices in Dollie's schemes. I'm pretty sure that makes them criminals. Ron was forced to play his part in Atmey's crimes, so he's the only one where his actions are forgivable.

Vera was a failure. She had no real personality, and no good backstory. She had no morals and willingly complied with her criminal dad. And at the end, what little shred of personality she had left for no good reason. I half expected her to start discussing burgers, ramen or spirit channeling given the direction the character was going in. She didn't seem to care if you won or lost, and neither did I as a result. A horrible defendant to top off GS4's already bad group; they're ALL criminals (Phoenix too, if you recall 4-1's ending).
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Personally, I have difficulty blaming someone controlled by their father from Age 12 to her current age.
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Vera was a failure. She had no real personality, and no good backstory.


Vera had a very definite personality. However, it is a very shy personality, which may make it seem like she has no personality. Although her background does need to be fleshed out.

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Except for the fact that she was a 12 year old girl when it began, and she was very shielded. She didn't know that what she was doing was wrong; she just did what her father told her to do, make the forgeries, without knowing what he was doing with them.

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A horrible defendant to top off GS4's already bad group; they're ALL criminals (Phoenix too, if you recall 4-1's ending).


Hey, I thought the fact that all defendants are still guilty of some crime was neat xD
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I thought having all the defendants be criminals was interesting. It made me feel quite bad for Apollo, though.

I love Vera. She's so sweet. And I don't understand where all this hatred of Drew comes from. He clearly genuinely loved her and was horrified at what happened to Phoenix because of that page.
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I thought having all the defendants be criminals was interesting. It made me feel quite bad for Apollo, though.

I love Vera. She's so sweet. And I don't understand where all this hatred of Drew comes from. He clearly genuinely loved her and was horrified at what happened to Phoenix because of that page.


For me, its easy to understand the Drew Misham hate. Vera Misham possessed a gift for artistry that her father found out at a very early age. While I'm sure that he loved his daughter, the simple fact is that he immediately started exploiting the gift for his own personal gain. Worse, to preserve his secret, Drew kept Vera from having a normal life and kept her isolated as his servant.

Hell, if he's getting paid $100,000 for forged evidence, the least he could do is let his daughter have some of it. One look at their apartment shows he's also a miser unless he's got a bunch of properties we don't know about.
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Vera stayed inside because she was afraid to go out. Drew had nothing to do with it.
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I think that's making a huge assumption.
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Spoiler: Stolen Turnabout
Technically, Ron was still a criminal, as he began stealing before Atmey found out, to satisfy his wife's spending habits.



That's not an assumption at all. After nearly being kidnapped, Vera was terrified of going out. She had a panic attack/tantrum when they tried to arrest her, because of this. Her father was not keeping her imprisoned against her will or anything like that.

As for the forgeries, she likely did not realize she was committing a crime when she was a child-she was just happy to be making her father proud.

I don't want to defend Drew at all, because of his role in what happened to Phoenix, but it is possible he just fell into a bad habit. It takes money to make money. Even with talent, it is not exactly easy to make a good living as an artist, and you need money for stuff like food and rent, etc., as well as various art supplies. Once he realized Vera's talent, it's possible he used it out of desperation-they might have needed the money badly. And once he got started, he just couldn't stop. He was a single man raising a child, and most of the money could have been gone in a flash depending on what he had to spend it on.

It makes me sad to see Vera getting so much hate. Aside from when she ignores people to paint her nails, I liked her. She was so shy and cute, and I cracked up when someone-Apollo?-told her to smile, and she drew the smiley-face, keeping her expression deadpan.XD As a side note, what the heck was that one thing she drew-looked like a circle with a vase and the number one in it?>_>

I do hope her nearly being kidnapped is elaborated on in one of the later games.
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As a side note, what the heck was that one thing she drew-looked like a circle with a vase and the number one in it?>_>


Spoiler: huge space saver; also 4-4 spoilers
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can you point it out exactly? >_>
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Though it annoyed me when I couldn't get her to speak sometimes, I thought Vera was a cute, interesting character. I thought it was very human of her to be so afraid of the outside world since she was kidnapped by someone from that world. I also felt a sort of sympathy for her because she was being used but didn't know.

I'd make a rant about Drew, but I'm lazy. All you need to know is that I like Vera. : D :doodle:

(And her art is so awesome. XD)
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I really can't explain it in anymore detail.O_O Oh, and it was funny when she drew Apollo, too.XD
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Kristoph should kidnap her when he inevitably busts out of prison!
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Kristoph should kidnap her when he inevitably busts out of prison!


I SMELL A FANFIC

Wait, what?
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Hasn't that man ruined enough lives! D : Let him have "that" girl, instead.
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Hasn't that man ruined enough lives! D : Let him have "that" girl, instead.
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Hasn't that man ruined enough lives! D : Let him have "that" girl, instead.
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Let him have "that" girl, instead.


No :C

Wow, triple post. D:
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Sure, why not? xD


Besides, that doesn't beat my quadruple post :P
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Vera was a very flat character (because, honestly, she only had one emotion: shyness.).

However, her drawing sprites were adorable.

OHHH!!! Maybe there can be a flashback case in Gyukaten Kenji about when she got kidnapped and you need to find her! *brick'd*

I hated her father. With a passion.
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Vera was a very flat character (because, honestly, she only had one emotion: shyness.).

That was supposed to be the point of her character, wasn't it?
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Her emotions included:

Fear, Shy, Withdrawn, Excitement (Graymere), and Gratitude.

She certainly had more emotion than Machi at times.

Plus was better than Wocky.
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She was probably best when she was excited, a shame you never got to see her that way as an adult.

Machi was supposed to be emotionless (like all blind people) so he's off the hook.

Everyone is better than Wocky.
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What does not being able to see have to do with emotionlessness?
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In any case, Machi isn't blind.
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It was a joke, and Machi was supposed to act like he was blind, anyway.
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The triple-post was due to the forum acting up.@_@

Machi was blind to his emotions, of course.: P Kind of like all the police in that case had to have been blind as bats.>_>

Vera has a lot of emotions, but she generally just keeps on a straight face. I love this, because it makes her smiling through her art that much more funny.XD
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Awws, Why all the Drew hate? Ok well i can kinda understand why alot of people hate him...

Spoiler: Massive 4-4 spoilers
...As it was kinda his fault that Phoenix lost his badge, though surely if Vera hadn't forged the item (on Drews instruction) Kristoph just would have got someone else to forge evidence for him? Afterall clearly Kristoph knows how to hold a grudge and really hated Phoenix. And yet everyone loves Kristoph and hates Drew Misham...

Not that i hate Kristoph, i just find it very hard to understand how people can hate a charecter who played a small part in Phoenix's loss of his attorney badge and love someone who is pretty much the sole reason that he lost his attorney's badge.


Anywway that's all off topic, I liked Vera. Especailly when people (Mia_Fey) invented the apollo/Vera pairing.
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Spoiler: Massive 4-4 spoilers
...As it was kinda his fault that Phoenix lost his badge, though surely if Vera hadn't forged the item (on Drews instruction) Kristoph just would have got someone else to forge evidence for him? Afterall clearly Kristoph knows how to hold a grudge and really hated Phoenix. And yet everyone loves Kristoph and hates Drew Misham...

Not that i hate Kristoph, i just find it very hard to understand how people can hate a charecter who played a small part in Phoenix's loss of his attorney badge and love someone who is pretty much the sole reason that he lost his attorney's badge.


Spoiler: 4-4
Drew really didn't have to testify against Phoenix. There was no proof at all about the diary page being a forgery, and he could just have said "No, he wasn't my client."
Anyway, I really really hate both Drew, Kristoph and Zak (Magnifi also). I find it amusing how they all got what they deserved, even if only 7 years later.

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Spoiler: 4-4
But he had no way of knowing that Phoenix wasn't the person who ordered the forgery.
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Spoiler: 4-4
He could have seen it from Phoenix's reaction. And still, what kind of forger is he anyway? Shelly would never testify against his client.

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Yeahh i guess you have a point but there was still something very loveable about the Drew.

:uh: Omg! i just got that pun! I can't believe i never noticed it before!!! Haahaa. man, that was slow of me... :eh?:
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Spoiler: 4-4
He could have seen it from Phoenix's reaction. And still, what kind of forger is he anyway? Shelly would never testify against his client.


Spoiler: 4-4
To claim to know Phoenix isn't the client would be perjury. Drew has already committed enough crimes, he doesn't need to add to them. Also, he didn't know that the page was going to be used as evidence.
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