Just wanted to open a discussion on what people think about: (and since I put spoilers in the title, I don't think making tags would be needed right?)

1. You think that the brothers parents possibly had died/the brothers lived on own at young age

2. Does Klavier have an adoration of his older brother (wearing hair like him, listening to him, wanting to prove himself)

3. Possiblity of why Klavier turned out a good boy whereas... Kristoph, not so.

4. Klavier having that talent for not only being able to keep up with law school, but fame as band.

5. The relationship between the brothers, whether or not it could be more than considered brotherly.


And whatever else. I just felt as though these two didn't get enough attention in THEIR story, as the other two siblings did.

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Did it say that their parents had died? I seemed to have missed alot...

I'v always thought of Kristoph and Klavier having a love/hate relationship, I think Klavier looked up to Kristoph. Like the hair thing, But i think Klavier wanted people to know of him more than of Kristoph (does that make sense?) I think thats why he made the Band, because people obviously listen to music more often than watching trials on t.v. and i think he became a prosecutor because if he ever beat Kristoph in court, he himself would have the satisfaction of beating his brother and everyone would further know of him as the one who beat the unbeatable Gavin

I hope all that made sense, it did to me, but just because it made sense to me, doesn't mean it made sense to anyone else.....

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1. I never understood why everyone seems to think that their parents died when they were young. There's no evidence in the game of it, I'm pretty sure it's one of those 'fanon' sorts of things and is just prominent in every fanfic of them. Also, as much as I love the Gavins, they act more like a couple of spoiled rich boys than anyone else.

2. If not adoration, I think Klavier sees his brother as a rival. They're rivaling lawyers and both musicians even (note the violin in Kristoph's jail cell). Though case 4 makes it very clear that Klavier is highly concerned about what his brother thinks of him. And poor guy, his brother still says horrible things about him. Although, if Kristoph is normally dissaproving and/or critical about everything his younger brother does it would make sense that Klavier would be trying to impress him.
Also, considering how successful Kristoph is, I think it's rather normal sibbling rivalry for Klavier to want to measure up to that. (Especially if they do have parents that are alive there would be the conflict of who looks most successful to Mommy and Daddy.)

3. I would say it's merely a difference in personality. Kristoph is such a perfectionist he can't stand to lose to anyone else, while Klavier finds it more satisfying to know that he's done the right thing over being perfect.

4. The game actually suggests that he formed his band after becoming a lawyer. In 4-2 the Judge makes some sort of comment about Klavier not prosecuting in a long time, and Klavier says something like "Yeah, remember that band I was going on about in that case 7 years ago? We got kind of big all of a sudden." Perhaps his reason for returning to prosecution has something to do with his brother being convicted of murder? Interesting thought...

5. I'm not sure if you're trying to imply anything about them as a pairing here or not, but here's my view on that anyway.
I have to admit I love Gavincest, but I see it as more of a Kristoph being a manipulative jerk and Klavier being mentally abused and therefore hopelessly in love, hating it and feeling that it's wrong. Considering their relationship I cannot imagine there being any real romance involved. In fact, I'm fairly convinced that Kristoph is incapable of loving anyone else because he's so critical of the rest of the world. In this case, I think Kristoph would pursue his brother merely because they were so similar.
That being said, this explanation has nothing to with how I view the actual game canon. It's merely my take on the possibility of them as a pairing.

I'm hoping/assuming that the Gavins will get their story in the next game .

Until then I'm not sure what to think of them. :/ *lol uncreative*

the idea that the relationship between the two could be more than brotherly is stupid (No offense to ANYONE) their relationship is that of rivaling siblings nothing more.

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Well, of course...thus far in the game:



Of course, Edgey's story was actually thoroughly resolved at the end of AA: PW, whereas AA: AJ left more loose ends. It's possible they'll go into the Gavin brothers thing more. Maybe by introducing a Gavin sister.

*shot*

-Nazne

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Don't forget that the first game was not intended to have sequels, while Apollo Justice is definitely planned to have sequels. So now we shall wait for the 5th game. 8D

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1. So far, there is no evidence to point that the Gavin's were ever in the same situation as the Skyes (THEIR parents died, so Lana raised Ema).

There is an 8 year difference between Krissi and Klavi. I seriously think that something happened to Krissi or he experienced something that changed him that Klavi didn't experience/didn't see. My suggestion was that they were actually half-siblings, but of course we have no way to support that theory yet. Being half-siblings doesn't automatically make one different from their sibling, unless Krissi spent his early years in an enviorment different from Klavi's later on.

Regardless of their blood relation, there is definitely something that warped Krissi, that didn't /wasn't around to warp Klavi.



Omfg, Klavi and Krissi are so much like Daisuke and Shun it is so not FUNNY!!!



2. I do think that Klavi has a brother complex. However, its totally one-sided. Klavier looks up to his brother, while Krissi hardly acknowledges him.

3. Same as answer #1, I think Krissi experienced something that Klavi did not. Something that totally warped him. I say that its something major, as I doubt that Krissi would be a cold, heartless bastard just because he was "jealous" of Klavi (like, if klavi was the one who was more loved as a child by the parent(s) for example, something trivial).

4. Krissi also plays violin, so I think that both music and law were major influences in their upbringing. However, Its possible Klavi was trying to one-up his brother by becoming a rockstar AND prosecutor.

I also think thats why Klavi became a Prosecutor... Something tells me that he has some bitter feelings toward his brother, especially due to Krissi's coldness, and becoming a prosecutor was a good way to be "opposite on a level field" (they're both attorneys, but on opposite ends of the spectrum)

5. Their relationship is far from lovey dovey brotherly, there is definitely a strain.


I sure do hope that their backstory gets more development in the next game. I have no doubt there's something big thats gotten between them, and whatever it is, its eating away at Klavi's very core, though we don't see it yet.

From what little emotion that Klavi showed us concerning his brother and his feelings about him... something is up.

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I wrote a fanfic about that. It's gonna be in the fanfic forum.

Anyways, I think that the brothers have the traditional sibling relationship. Klavier just wants to be liked by his brother, and Kristoph just wants Klavier to LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Do you think either of the brothers had any connections with the von Karmas? (after all, Franzy and Klavier are around the same age, and so are Edgey and Kristoph)

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I don't want my little sister to leave me alone. We're best friends.
...But from what I've seen of my other friends' families, we're special. So I agree with theatrejunkie.
But I like to think Krissi and Klavi had a good relationship. It makes little sense, but still...

1. Their father was murdered. But not by Krissi.

3. Their personalities are polar opposites. Klavier is the arrogant "Hey look at me!" brother, and Krissi is the more mellow and responsible brother. Plus he's hotter Even if you look at the way they dress, they're opposite. Klavi's suit is rumpled and Krissi's is neatly pressed. So it's safe to assume that something must've happened (or one of them got a bad batch of genes). It must've been something huge, like a death or accident, and each brother blamed the other one. And thus the family unravled.

3 (con't). MY theory:

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That could explain

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1. It would make sense. I always picture their situation being like, maybe their parents died when Klavier was about 10 and Kristoph pretty much raised him and put him through school with the money he made being a lawyer.

2. Of course, although this admiration and trust is taken advantage of by Kristoph, a manipulative maniac genius.

3. Kristoph is messed up in the head and Klavier is a little too trusting. 'Nuff said.

4. Kristoph was just more dedicated to his career as an attorney. He does play the violin, so it's obviously not a lack of musical talent. Unless Kristoph completely fails at it. And while Klavier's passion for law (which I see as an offshoot from his admiration of Kristoph) is just as strong, he just loves being a rock star~

5. Firstly, I would lke to say that I greatly dislike Gavincest. I just don't like it. I love Kristoph being all creepy and manipulative, but not in that kind of way. The only way I could refer to their relationship as more than brotherly is if I were to compare it more to a hypnotist and their victim. I think Kristoph was a good brother to Klavier, supported him in all he did, and that is why Klavier is so trusting. Kristoph is just that sneaky.

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Indeed.

Dare to resist drugs, violence, conformity, and Gavincest

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Huzzah!

(Is it okay if I put this line in my sig? )

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hmm... Okay. But only because the Phantom is my favorite musical, and you asked nicely.

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X3 Yay~

I knew putting a PotO quote in my sig/title would bring good.

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[quote=theatrejunkie]hmm... Okay. But only because the Phantom is my favorite musical, and you asked nicely.[/quote]
X3 Yay~

I knew putting a PotO quote in my sig/title would bring good. [/quote]

I want to use a PotO quote of krissi after he exploded in my sig... but I can't. Blast.

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Wow....sorry. Way off topic. Anyway...

Klavi adores his brother. Krissi's situation is probably eating away at his sanity/health.

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