Question for those playing GS4. (Spoilers may be in replies)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:29 pm

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I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this one. Am I the only one not really wired up for the GS4 English translation? I do admit I haven't played it and I don't know much, but when I heard GS4 was set in the future, and that Phoenix, Edgey and so on weren't the main characters, I will quite openly admit that my heart sank.

Think of it this way. We have Phoenix Wright 1, 2, and 3 coming soon. But after that, there's no more Phoenix Wright starring in the games. I will probably buy GS4's translation to English just to see which characters ended up in the future release, but... They've made 3 games and we became attached to the cast. Phoenix Wright/Naurohodo Ryuichi is adorable and his character is positively charming, he's a sweetie. So's Larry for that matter. Miles Edgeworth is a sourpuss grump, but most people like him that I know of. Maya and Pearl are pretty darn cute also. We became familiar with the character cast and we love them.

With the arrival of GS4, sure it's a nice thing to introduce new characters, but to gank out all the old familiar lovable ones out from underneath us fans? You could argue that Capcom could make some more GS/PW games starring the original cast, but now with the arrival of GS4, you could just as easily argue that they're going to focus on this new cast of the future now.

I dunno, what does everyone else think? Oh, please note that I'm not trying to troll for flames with this thread. I'm just speaking my honest opinion about how I feel. If you disagree, please do so in a calm and considerate manner. That's all I ask. =)

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PS: I may end up liking the game in the end, I know. But right now, until I have played through it, my opinion stands at this one I have stated now.

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Edgeworth: OBJECTION!!

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Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:08 am

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GS4's alot more phoenix oriented than you think. It's almost like the game is Phoenix Wright 4..

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Re: Question for those playing GS4. (Spoilers may be in replies)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:08 am

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They didn't exactly throw away the old cast, per se. This was more of an attempt to start off with a new, clean slate that didn't go quite the way the developers wanted it to.

I'm not going to go into spoilers, but I will say that Phoenix plays a pretty imortant role in the game, big enough that many who've played the game feel he ends up overshadowing Odoroki.

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Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:17 am

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Some people were disappointed that Phoenix played such a major role, because he really did overshadow Odoroki a bit. What caused him to lose his attorney's badge goes well beyond the first case.

But then again, Edgeworth's story was a pretty major part of GS1 to the point of overshadowing Phoenix, so this isn't new to the series.

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Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:57 am

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I was actually really glad when they first said that Phoenix wasn't the main character anymore. As much as I love him and his cast, I was one of the people hoping that Odoroki's story would have nothing to do with him. He's already had three strong games, and quite frankly, I don't think there's anywhere they could have taken Phoenix without the drastic choice they made. There are only so many times that Maya can be put on trial for murder, after all.

I'm only on case 2 of GS4, but so far I'm enjoying the new cast. Some of the story is...rather odd. But the dialogue is fresh and funny, Odoroki is adorable, Minuki is sweet and not annoying, and even though Phoenix isn't quite himself anymore, I'm looking forward to learning more about what happened.

There are some characters I'll be sad not to see anymore, but in the end, I'm glad they went with someone new instead of waiting for Phoenix and his crowd to stagnate.

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:23 am

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Blademaster_Orca wrote:

They didn't exactly throw away the old cast, per se. This was more of an attempt to start off with a new, clean slate that didn't go quite the way the developers wanted it to.

I'm not going to go into spoilers, but I will say that Phoenix plays a pretty imortant role in the game, big enough that many who've played the game feel he ends up overshadowing Odoroki.

YOu mean like Edgey overshadowed Nick in AA. How the Feys, Dahlia, and Godot overshadow him in TT. How he wasjust kinda there in JFA(maybe Fran & Edgey overshadowed him, I don't know. He just wasn't focused on that much).
ITs like an unintentional tradition. I mean, Young Mia completely overshadowed Ni-heck everyone in the trailer.

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:11 am

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I have to say, I find it pretty coincidental that when the new cast was announced, everyone was disapointed Phoenix would play a 'minor role'. Now, everyone wishes that Odoroki had a bigger one.

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:27 am

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mario66 wrote:

YOu mean like Edgey overshadowed Nick in AA. How the Feys, Dahlia, and Godot overshadow him in TT. How he wasjust kinda there in JFA(maybe Fran & Edgey overshadowed him, I don't know. He just wasn't focused on that much).
ITs like an unintentional tradition. I mean, Young Mia completely overshadowed Ni-heck everyone in the trailer.

If you keep on saying this everywhere, please at least back it up. I keep trailing you around, saying the same thing over and over again. These people were connected and focused on Phoenix. This is not the case with the vast majority of Odoroki's cast. There is a difference. (JFA was especially centered around Phoenix.)

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:51 am

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musouka wrote:

These people were connected and focused on Phoenix. This is not the case with the vast majority of Odoroki's cast. There is a difference. (JFA was especially centered around Phoenix.)

I'm not sure what you mean by "vast majority" since...I'm in the middle of case 3 and everyone seems to be responding to Odoroki very well.

Phoenix may have been the big shot in case 1, but he hasn't really done anything since. Even if case 4 is The Phoenix Show I don't think it's fair to say he rules the whole game. Maybe just...half of it. Frank Sawit

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:56 am

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Croik wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "vast majority" since...I'm in the middle of case 3 and everyone seems to be responding to Odoroki very well.

It's not their responses. Yes, people like Odoroki. But are they connected to him the way people in the first games were connected to Phoenix? No.

Ema helps you because of Phoenix. Minuki assists you because of Phoenix. (And, yes, I know but that still doesn't negate the fact that HE is initially the reason they meet up and form a partnership) Kyouya's emphasis is put on what he did to Phoenix. Kirihito? He's Odoroki's fucking MENTOR and his story is still nearly 100% Phoenix.

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:09 am

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Holy Hell wrote:

Now, everyone wishes that Odoroki had a bigger one.

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:15 pm

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musouka wrote:

Croik wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "vast majority" since...I'm in the middle of case 3 and everyone seems to be responding to Odoroki very well.

It's not their responses. Yes, people like Odoroki. But are they connected to him the way people in the first games were connected to Phoenix? No.

Ema helps you because of Phoenix. Minuki assists you because of Phoenix. (And, yes, I know but that still doesn't negate the fact that HE is initially the reason they meet up and form a partnership) Kyouya's emphasis is put on what he did to Phoenix. Kirihito? He's Odoroki's fucking MENTOR and his story is still nearly 100% Phoenix.

Wow- you make it sound like GS4's American title will be leaning toward "Phoenix Wright-(whatever)" rather than "(Housuke Odoroki)- Ace Attorney". That's not your exact words, I know- I mean that you make it sound like Phoenix Wright is still the spotlight of the game even though it's a new character who's supposed to become the "Ace Attorney".

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:57 pm

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musouka wrote:

Ema helps you because of Phoenix. Minuki assists you because of Phoenix. (And, yes, I know but that still doesn't negate the fact that HE is initially the reason they meet up and form a partnership) Kyouya's emphasis is put on what he did to Phoenix. Kirihito? He's Odoroki's fucking MENTOR and his story is still nearly 100% Phoenix.

And...? I understand what you're saying, but unless 4-4 is about to retcon every interaction I've witnessed in the game so far I don't see what's so wrong about "Odoroki meets a lot of people through Phoenix." Sure, Ema warms up to Odoroki initially because she assumes he works for Phoenix. But after that, their relationship develops on its own. Ema doesn't treat Odoroki anything like she did Phoenix. He's like the little noob she gets to play with and complain to, someone she can show her science projects to who actually acts impressed by them.

Not to mention he makes a good moving target~

I agree, it would be nice if Odoroki had a few established friends of his own (like how Phoenix had Larry). But I don't think it's fair to say "Ema only likes Odoroki because of Phoenix" when they're building a professional relationship the same way Phoenix and Gumshoe did.

I have thoughts about Kyouya but those ought to wait until I'm finished... >.>

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:07 pm

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And...? I understand what you're saying, but unless 4-4 is about to retcon every interaction I've witnessed in the game so far I don't see what's so wrong about "Odoroki meets a lot of people through Phoenix."

It's one of the factors in making the game feel more like "Phoenix's story, featuring Odoroki" than "Odoroki's story, featuring Phoenix". I feel strongly that Odoroki should be allowed to make his own connections from the very beginning. Were it JUST Minuki, or JUST Ema, I would have been fine with it. But when it seems like "all roads lead to Phoenix", it gets tiresome.

It's like if in GS1, Phoenix only knew Larry because he was Mia's friend. He only get Maya because of Mia. The emphasis regarding Edgeworth isn't as Phoenix's friend, but as the person Mia faced in her very first trial. Gumshoe knows Mia and usually refers to you as "that kid from Mia's office". Do you see what I mean when I put it that way? No, that doesn't stop Phoenix from building relationships with these people, but the focus is shifted from him to Mia if the game is set up like that.

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:43 pm

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I haven't played it yet, so this is based on hearsay. But the thing that worries me is not the fact it's primarily Phoenix-focused, but that it's Phoenix-focused and yet key characters like Edgeworth, Gumshoe, and Maya aren't even mentioned. Phoenix has many people closely connected to him, and for him to play a major role with most of them being totally left out seems out of place and doesn't fit too well. It sounds like Capcom couldn't decide whether to continue the first story arc or start with a new chapter.

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Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:03 pm

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You know, putting those two comments together, we run into an interesting dilemma.

We want Odoroki to be able to make his own connections, his own friends, have his own story. But at the same time, we miss all the old characters. If Maya, Edgeworth, Larry etc etc showed up, wouldn't that distance Odoroki from the story even more?

From the moment Takumi decided to keep Odoroki in Phoenix's timeline (or rather, when Capcom forced him to) he set himself up for these kinds of complaints. And yet...I honestly don't feel the sense of disappointment everyone else seems to be experiencing. Maybe it's because I've had a few things spoiled ahead of time (so I haven't spent the whole game wondering when Edgey's gonna show up~), but I'm still enjoying the game immensely.

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Tue May 01, 2007 1:50 am

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Well, I don't think it's not that they "Don't show up," which I agree with. It's that they're not mentioned at ALL, and don't seem to have the same reactions/effect to Phoenix's Hoboism that the first three games say they SHOULD have.

Say the "seven years ago case" dealt with the death of a different genius--Miles Edgeworth. Edgeworth is gone, he's not there to put Phoenix back on track, and without him Phoenix goes all hobo. Edgeworth doesn't have to show up, Odoroki can still make his own connections, but it preserves the original ties of 1-3.

But that's just me.

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Tue May 01, 2007 2:19 am

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Kzer-za wrote:

I haven't played it yet, so this is based on hearsay. But the thing that worries me is not the fact it's primarily Phoenix-focused, but that it's Phoenix-focused and yet key characters like Edgeworth, Gumshoe, and Maya aren't even mentioned.

One of those characters is mentioned, and another appears in the game.

Also, Phoenix isn't doing that bad for himself seeing as he has a home, furniture, food, clothing, and craploads of Minuki's stuff laying around. He's not a lawyer anymore, but he isn't a hobo.

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Tue May 01, 2007 3:25 am

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Phoenix isn't entirely cut off. There is mention that he's still in contact with at least one person from his old life (of those mentioned). There are a few sprinkled references that make it sound like he hasn't abandoned the people he cares about, nor they him. We don't get to see what he does outside of Odoroki's investigations, after all, and probably wouldn't even if they WERE in the game.

Just because the characters show up doesn't mean they stopped caring about Phoenix. Let's not forget Larry doesn't show up at all in GS2, or in GS1 when Phoenix himself was on trial for murder. They're just...in the background.

I admit I'm sad Edgeworth isn't mentioned. But as far as we know he's not even in the country. He hasn't lived in L.A. since the first game. It doesn't mean he's gone forever and doesn't care.

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Tue May 01, 2007 9:00 pm

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...It's obvious Phoenix will be all over this game. Phoenix chose Odoroki to fix up his case and get the truth to the people who were supposed to listen to it. The next Gyakuten Saiban games will probably focus more on Odoroki.

But I still want Edgeworth screen time. He rocks.