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Author: | MiaFeyFan [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:02 pm ] |
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^ Exactly. When it says "New era begins!" You kind of get the impression that their's gonna be another Polly game . Even Phoenix said so with his "It's Apollo's story now" or something. Perhaps the corrupted courtroom story is finished, but all the AJ characters need a lot more fleshing out. Way to troll us all, Capcom. |
Author: | kjc609 [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:00 am ] |
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Why doesn't anyone like Apollo? His vocals are awesome, he's hilarious, his CHORDS OF STEEL are awesome, and he has an awesome finger point. LONG LIVE APOLLO JUSTICE THE CHOSEN ONE WHO WILL FOLLOW PHOENIX WRIGHT'S FOOTSTEPS AND BECOME AN ACE. ATTORNEY!!!!!!!!!!! |
Author: | Ziska Von Hawthorne [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:29 am ] |
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Apollo won me over when he called someone (Trucy?) a muggle. I like his "whaaat?!@" sprites. He looks like a cute monkey lol I also like his outfit the best out of all the defense attorneys |
Author: | Emiko Nabile Gale [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:14 pm ] |
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*raises hand* I appreciate Apollo...I kind of have a crush on him too. =>.>= |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:08 pm ] |
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kjc609 wrote: Why doesn't anyone like Apollo? His vocals are awesome, he's hilarious, his CHORDS OF STEEL are awesome, and he has an awesome finger point. LONG LIVE APOLLO JUSTICE THE CHOSEN ONE WHO WILL FOLLOW PHOENIX WRIGHT'S FOOTSTEPS AND BECOME AN ACE. ATTORNEY!!!!!!!!!!! From what I can tell, there are two main reasons people dislike Apollo. A: He's not Phoenix. B: He undergoes essentially no character development in the entire game, and is still the blank slate at the ending that he is at the beginning While I don't dislike Apollo at all, I can't say I particularly like him as a character all that much, and the reason for me definitely falls into the latter of the two camps. I have no problem with the idea of a succession story for Phoenix, especially with the dark way it was set up throughout AJ (the game) and the way Turnabout Succession ended. The problem is that Apollo's essentially got no personality of his own. We never hear anything throughout the game about where or how he grew up, what his motivations for becoming a lawyer were, how he met Kristoph Gavin, etc. There's nothing that fleshes his past out at all, which was crucial to Phoenix's character development in the first AA. Probably what defined Phoenix the most as a character in that game was (outside of his interactions with Maya) his response to the class trial, and then wanting to save Edgeworth from being "the demon prosecutor." Apollo has none of that backstory. What we're left with in that case is only being able to flesh Apollo out through his interactions with Trucy and the rest of the cast, which might have been fine, except that Apollo is essentially a slightly more sarcastic version of pre-disbarment Phoenix. If you're going to make a successor to the main character of your franchise, at the very least make him noticeably different in some way. AAI, for all of its faults, definitely made it feel like you were playing as an entirely different person, with his own motivations, backstory, and character. Apollo feels like a copy/pasta'd version of Phoenix who makes fun of people in his head more often. For what it's worth, I believe that people who dislike Apollo simply because he's not Phoenix are incredibly silly and shallow. As for me, I have mixed feelings on Apollo. I do hope, however, that they at least attempt to continue his storyline in some way (besides being a side character in AA5), and if there is an AJ2, maybe he can get some long needed character development to make him a memorable addition to the colorful cast of AA characters. |
Author: | nearsightedwaddledee [ Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:30 pm ] |
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TheBlarghMan wrote: kjc609 wrote: Why doesn't anyone like Apollo? His vocals are awesome, he's hilarious, his CHORDS OF STEEL are awesome, and he has an awesome finger point. LONG LIVE APOLLO JUSTICE THE CHOSEN ONE WHO WILL FOLLOW PHOENIX WRIGHT'S FOOTSTEPS AND BECOME AN ACE. ATTORNEY!!!!!!!!!!! From what I can tell, there are two main reasons people dislike Apollo. A: He's not Phoenix. B: He undergoes essentially no character development in the entire game, and is still the blank slate at the ending that he is at the beginning While I don't dislike Apollo at all, I can't say I particularly like him as a character all that much, and the reason for me definitely falls into the latter of the two camps. I have no problem with the idea of a succession story for Phoenix, especially with the dark way it was set up throughout AJ (the game) and the way Turnabout Succession ended. The problem is that Apollo's essentially got no personality of his own. We never hear anything throughout the game about where or how he grew up, what his motivations for becoming a lawyer were, how he met Kristoph Gavin, etc. There's nothing that fleshes his past out at all, which was crucial to Phoenix's character development in the first AA. Probably what defined Phoenix the most as a character in that game was (outside of his interactions with Maya) his response to the class trial, and then wanting to save Edgeworth from being "the demon prosecutor." Apollo has none of that backstory. What we're left with in that case is only being able to flesh Apollo out through his interactions with Trucy and the rest of the cast, which might have been fine, except that Apollo is essentially a slightly more sarcastic version of pre-disbarment Phoenix. If you're going to make a successor to the main character of your franchise, at the very least make him noticeably different in some way. AAI, for all of its faults, definitely made it feel like you were playing as an entirely different person, with his own motivations, backstory, and character. Apollo feels like a copy/pasta'd version of Phoenix who makes fun of people in his head more often. For what it's worth, I believe that people who dislike Apollo simply because he's not Phoenix are incredibly silly and shallow. As for me, I have mixed feelings on Apollo. I do hope, however, that they at least attempt to continue his storyline in some way (besides being a side character in AA5), and if there is an AJ2, maybe he can get some long needed character development to make him a memorable addition to the colorful cast of AA characters. I've been wanting to join this thread forever, but then I found out that it was pretty much abandoned. So without further ado.... HAPPY CHORDS OF STEEL ANYBODY?!?!? It's nice to have some activity on this thread again! |
Author: | サンドラ [ Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:32 pm ] |
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Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:00 am ] |
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I do have some hopes that AA5 will make him into more of an interesting character. Perhaps he could become an anti-hero of sorts while remaining a defense attorney. Some form of conflict between his ideals and Phoenix's would make for a great subplot in AA5. |
Author: | Chips [ Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:13 am ] |
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TheBlarghMan wrote: I do have some hopes that AA5 will make him into more of an interesting character. Perhaps he could become an anti-hero of sorts while remaining a defense attorney. Quote: Some form of conflict between his ideals and Phoenix's would make for a great subplot in AA5. With the new information we have, this is much confirmed. :D Spoiler: Just in case Plus he got a new sidekick, who (from what I've heard) has similar personalities as him. Can't wait for GS5 to come here! |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:27 pm ] |
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Gotcha! Was this made for me?! I used to hate Apollo until I played* his game, now he's my favorite AA character. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:18 am ] |
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Tyler11ball wrote: I used to hate Apollo until I played* his game, now he's my favorite AA character. This. |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:56 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: Tyler11ball wrote: I used to hate Apollo until I played* his game, now he's my favorite AA character. This. I was sad that they replaced Phoenix, so I never wanted to play AJ:AA. I did and it was amazing. |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:20 am ] |
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Tyler11ball wrote: GoingforMiles wrote: Tyler11ball wrote: I used to hate Apollo until I played* his game, now he's my favorite AA character. This. I was sad that they replaced Phoenix, so I never wanted to play AJ:AA. I did and it was amazing. Oh where has this thread been all my life. I actually started out in a wonky order. I played AJ:AA first, then Dual Destinies, then Investigations, then the Original Trilogy. I don't see why people say Apollo is a Phoenix clone, I never really got that impression from him. |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:53 pm ] |
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You're the first one I've heard that from. People only hate Apollo because they loved Phoenix. Now that Phoenix is back there is no reason to hate Apollo. |
Author: | WaitingforGodot [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:26 pm ] |
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We definitely need more Apollo. |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:30 am ] |
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WaitingforGodot wrote: We definitely need more Apollo. XD No doubt. I want to hear about his past as a kid. We get to hear about him and Clay in Dual Destinies, but that's not enough. |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:12 am ] |
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Tyler11ball wrote: WaitingforGodot wrote: We definitely need more Apollo. XD No doubt. I want to hear about his past as a kid. We get to hear about him and Clay in Dual Destinies, but that's not enough. I agree 100%. I'd really like to hear more about Apollo's past, especially why he chose the last name 'Justice' |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:07 am ] |
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The world may never know... |
Author: | linkenski [ Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:15 am ] |
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Oh, Apollo, how I despised your character in your debut game, but in DD I thought you were just fine He's definitely become one of my favorite characters now. There's just something cool about him. Admittedly I liked him in the moments when he shined in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, like in the trial segments of 4-3 for instance, but I hated his immature snarkyness but especially the dorkyness of him. Strangely, because I grew fond of him in DD, I don't think AJ:AA feels as bad anymore :-/ |
Author: | linkenski [ Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:16 am ] |
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shippersdreamer wrote: Tyler11ball wrote: WaitingforGodot wrote: We definitely need more Apollo. XD No doubt. I want to hear about his past as a kid. We get to hear about him and Clay in Dual Destinies, but that's not enough. I agree 100%. I'd really like to hear more about Apollo's past, especially why he chose the last name 'Justice' "Justice" is a surname IRL too :/, I doubt there's much backstory to his name. We don't even know why Phoenix was named "Wright" and I doubt there's any reason to that anyway (actually, their japanese names are more peculiar than their engilsh names IMO) |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:58 pm ] |
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Apollo grew up at an orphanage though, so his surname is obviously taken and he might have chosen it for himself. |
Author: | TheBlackquillz [ Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:50 am ] |
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Polly, 'Pollo, Apollo, Apololo, Justice-dono, and our wonderful Polly-wog. There are so many reasons to like Apollo, it's not even funny. The one thing that completely won me over and made Apollo my second favorite character (#1 - Simon Blackquill) was this... Spoiler: Dual Destinies Case 4 and 5-ish Hooray for Herr Forehead! |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:09 am ] |
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There's also something I noted about our favorite (at least on this thread at least) Red Wearing Defense Attorney (No Edgeworth doesn't count.) Apollo has the most ships out of any Ace Attorney character. No I'm not lying. He's been paired with (at least from what I've seen): Athena, Vera, Trucy, Phoenix, Simon, Miles, Maya, Ema, Kay, Kristoph, Klavier, Clay, and Aura. Damn. That is a LOT of people who want some Justice. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:19 am ] |
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But Edgeworth's been shipped with.......everybody |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:23 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: But Edgeworth's been shipped with.......everybody Then Apollo comes in a strong second then, seriously Apollo REALLY gets around. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:28 am ] |
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That's the difference between Apollo and Edgeworth. I think Apollo would love the attention if he knew he was getting it (but be a little embarrassed). Edgeworth is absolutely oblivious to it but if he did know, he'd never leave his office That doesn't stop my OTP of EdgeworthxRhoda *insert Rhoda smiley even though CR doesn't have one* |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:33 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: That's the difference between Apollo and Edgeworth. I think Apollo would love the attention if he knew he was getting it (but be a little embarrassed). Edgeworth is absolutely oblivious to it but if he did know, he'd never leave his office That doesn't stop my OTP of EdgeworthxRhoda *insert Rhoda smiley even though CR doesn't have one* Of course not, I think the ship is rather cute myself. I'm actually more partial to ApolloxVera and ApolloxSimon than anything else, I like the 'Big 3' but I believe they're a little overrated. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:58 am ] |
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shippersdreamer wrote: He's been paired with (at least from what I've seen): Athena, Vera, Trucy, Phoenix, Simon, Miles, Maya, Ema, Kay, Kristoph, Klavier, Clay, and Aura. Damn. That is a LOT of people who want some Justice. Justice for all, my friend. Justice for all. |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:18 am ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: shippersdreamer wrote: He's been paired with (at least from what I've seen): Athena, Vera, Trucy, Phoenix, Simon, Miles, Maya, Ema, Kay, Kristoph, Klavier, Clay, and Aura. Damn. That is a LOT of people who want some Justice. Justice for all, my friend. Justice for all. LOL! Even though it wasn't that funny it kinda made me laugh* (Not snicker XD)a bit. I don't have a pairing for Apollo yet. I'm still waiting on him to get his own Maya. (Trucy doesn't count since it's his sister.) I would like to see Apollo face Franziska in court though, I really wonder how that would play out. I guess I do sorta have a pairing for him, Ema Skye. Scientifically speaking that is. |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:17 pm ] |
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Tyler11ball wrote: GoingforMiles wrote: shippersdreamer wrote: He's been paired with (at least from what I've seen): Athena, Vera, Trucy, Phoenix, Simon, Miles, Maya, Ema, Kay, Kristoph, Klavier, Clay, and Aura. Damn. That is a LOT of people who want some Justice. Justice for all, my friend. Justice for all. LOL! Even though it wasn't that funny it kinda made me laugh* (Not snicker XD)a bit. I don't have a pairing for Apollo yet. I'm still waiting on him to get his own Maya. (Trucy doesn't count since it's his sister.) I would like to see Apollo face Franziska in court though, I really wonder how that would play out. I guess I do sorta have a pairing for him, Ema Skye. Scientifically speaking that is. Actually now that you mention Franziska I've actually seen HER paired with Apollo as well. There's no one safe from the touch of Justice. |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:15 am ] |
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I'm all for Edgeworth and Franziska! |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:23 pm ] |
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As a major fan of Apollo, and since this is his appreciation thread, I feel like I should explain why I personally consider Apollo the best out of the WWA trio (That being Him, Phoenix, and Athena) During his own (well what was SUPPOSED to be his own) game, Apollo has showed throughout the ENTIRE game that he's much more different than his mentor. As I stated previously, when Apollo learned that Phoenix used forged evidence to get Kristoph in jail (great job there Phoenix), he got pissed and DECKED him. But Apollo also let his personality shine during his first trial as well (well before Phoenix shanghaied it), as when agreeing to question Kristoph, his MENTOR, he says this "It's not about loyalty Mr. Gavin, it's about the truth." And you know what? He backs this up pretty well. We see during Case 3 that, since he couldn't get Daryan on evidence, circumstantial or not, he chose the next best thing: Testimony. Like Apollo said, it's not about loyalty, it's about the truth. Even to his clients. He has an unshakable belief that Machi is guilty of murder, but he won't defend him from his other crimes, like the smuggling for instance. I admit I think it's rather brilliant of Apollo to use Machi's knowledge of the smuggling to basically and have him willing to testify about it, which Daryan clearly didn't want, to snag him. There's also his spectacular performance in Case 4, considering that: He's going in it 100% blind, he's a test subject of a VERY important part of their judicial history (Even if it was created for biased reasons and chucked as soon as it was introduced), and he held his ground when the earth was trying to swallow him. There's also that I've heard some people talk about that because Klavier and Apollo don't automatically want to instantly want to throttle each other that they come off as bland. I certainly don't think so, I actually think that BECAUSE they're rather cordial, if not friendly towards one another, they can become a greater team to fight for The truth, like how Phoenix and Miles turned out to be. Apollo and Klavier don't NEED to be hated enemies to have some good court battles, throughout the whole game Klavier, while still doing his job as a prosecutor and all, has been nothing but polite and kind towards Apollo outside of court, I mean he even gave Trucy and Apollo backstage tickets for god's sake, and he barely knew them! (Well Apollo DID have to pay if memory serves..) But Klavier is also a man who is undoubtedly the guy you want to be on the prosecutor's bench if you're fighting to the truth, look at how he and Apollo lay the smack-down on Kristoph. (I know Phoenix set the whole thing up but it was Apollo and Klavier who put the nails in the coffin) So in summary: Apollo has managed to not only become a very successful attorney, he put away a true monster, and cleared his mentor's name. All while we were smack dab in the Dark Age of the Law as well. Now THAT'S impressive. So now we move on to Dual Destinies, where we get more of Apollo's backstory and character. During the first case, he senselessly sacrifices his body just to save Juniper, and not only that but despite being literally bombed, until he literally cannot stand without losing blood and falling over, still wanted to go into court and defend her. And even after Athena (And later Phoenix) Applies the Substitution of Attorney, he STILL goes out of his way to help Juniper find her stuffed animal, and gets attacked AGAIN for his troubles. We later find out that this wasn't even the cherry on top of the Tragedy Conga Line Apollo is currently going through. We find out during Case 4, that his best friend was murdered, and he practically goes a tamer version of Batman on everyone, ESPECIALLY during the trial of Starbuck, where he's absolutely RUTHLESS in it, and even refusing to move from his spot while the courtroom was literally about to explode. So after he gets bombed, then hit with a rock, he quits the agency, and pursues the truth on his own, and his own conflicting beliefs and everything else piled onto the the pile forces him to the court where he accuses Athena, his own co-worker, where he actually does pretty decently against Phoenix, and eventually Phoenix manages to put to rest Apollo's doubts and conflicting thoughts, rejoining the agency and even getting a promotion as Phoenix's junior partner. Apollo Justice is not a man who deserves to be the Butt Monkey, even more so than Phoenix. Apollo Justice is not a man who deserves getting no respect and being forced into toilet cleaning duty. Apollo Justice is a man who should be hailed as a true hero, a bright symbol of law, and truthfulness. This is a man who is willing to put his life on the line to save a girl he really doesn't even know, then despite being seriously injured, defend her, even while dealing with the death of his best friend. This is a man who's willing to do anything to get to the truth, and who's willing to make any sacrifice to get there, no matter how painful. This is why Apollo Justice is my favorite character, he's gone through hell and back willingly and ended up smelling like a rose doing so. I can truly say with every fiber of my being, that Apollo Justice deserves every ounce of love and adoration the fans of this community are willing to give him. Thank you for letting me ramble on and on, I'll be quiet now |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:11 pm ] |
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Great post. Great, great post. |
Author: | Bestwitness [ Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:04 am ] |
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Made an account just to reply bahahaha I'm such a loser. Spoiler: |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:34 pm ] |
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Well, that's a lot. Welcome anyway! |
Author: | MBr [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:38 pm ] |
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I used to feel indifferent to Apollo, until I replayed Dual Destinies. Him breaking away from the Agency to search for Clay's killer on his own was important for his character. Spoiler: 5-4 Spoiler: 5-5 Trial Spoiler: 5-5 Recess After all that, how can you not like Apollo? I feel like he has finally come into his own. However, one thing I'm not quite sure on is the implementation of the Perceive ability. I mean, most of the time it looks like Apollo is staring at the witness until they make the slightest movement, and then he jumps on it. I'd like to share some examples of when I think it was done right: Spoiler: 4-2 Spoiler: 5-5 Also, Apollo's theme (out of the courtroom) doesn't play enough. Although, when it played during his questioning of Athena's guilt, that was the best moment to use it. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:38 pm ] |
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Percieve is kind of awkward if you think about it... I mean, they've already made the statement, then they say it again, really slowly, over and over, while Polly stares them down with his eyes bulging out. |
Author: | Tyler11ball [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:13 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: Percieve is kind of awkward if you think about it... I mean, they've already made the statement, then they say it again, really slowly, over and over, while Polly stares them down with his eyes bulging out. Spoiler: Percieve |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:22 pm ] |
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That was part disgusting and part wonderful. |
Author: | WaitingforGodot [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:26 pm ] |
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Tyler11ball wrote: GoingforMiles wrote: Percieve is kind of awkward if you think about it... I mean, they've already made the statement, then they say it again, really slowly, over and over, while Polly stares them down with his eyes bulging out. Spoiler: Percieve That was the most disgusting thing I've seen in a long time. |
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