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Author:  superangelo128 [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:12 am ]
Post subject:  lol at Apollo and the Perceive System.
Ha! I can see some random habit that you do! Now I'm gonna blurt out what it is and you're gonna tell me the truth!

<3 :odoroki: .
Author:  Devil Dan [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:24 am ]
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Most people do have subconsious things they do when they lie. It takes a very perceptive person to pick up on the more subtle signals. And I guess later on in the game is going to work sortof like the magatama. You see that they lie so you present evidence to proove it.

I think this system is cool and more realistic than the magatama. Especialy if it is reflected in the sprite animations.
Author:  Ryu-kun [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:40 am ]
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The psycho locks at least still were broken by thinking about and understanding the case. Perceive is just looking at the same pictures again and again and again in slow motion. Also, it's much more of a lie detector than the magatama ever was.
Author:  Devil Dan [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:49 am ]
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Not about the case but about what the person was hiding.
Author:  Millini [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:15 pm ]
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It's kind of like when Conan O'Brien tells a joke: his left arm twitches slightly when he delivers the punchline.

Or something like that.
Author:  RazeTora [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:37 pm ]
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Reminds me of the book So B. It, when this character tells the protagonist about the "tells" people have when they lie o_o;;
Author:  Croik [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:39 pm ]
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I like the Perceive System. Even if the habbit doesn't always directly connect to the lie, it's unnerving when someone points out that you're doing something you didn't realize you were doing. I think it's that surprise at being caught at something you didn't know you were supposed to control that works in Apollo's favor to get the truth out.

It also makes more sense when the Perceive System fails than with the magatama. When someone lies to Phoenix and no Psyche Locks appear, there's no explanation as to why the magatama simply didn't work on that one (other than in 2-4, the classic "you didn't ask the right question" block). But with the Perceive System, nothing showing up can easily be explained by the person simply being too composed to give anything away.

The Magatama reads everyone lying the same way. The Perceive System reads everyone lying a little bit differently. I think that makes it a bit more interesting.
Author:  Scorchgid [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:51 pm ]
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though it does make things a bit more complicated because now we have press present and now Perceive
Author:  RazeTora [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:37 pm ]
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^ So we'll be doing a whole lot of peeing here.
So to speak.
Author:  Donald Serrot [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:48 pm ]
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RazeTora wrote:
^ So we'll be doing a whole lot of peeing here.
So to speak.

o_0 ... OooKaay...
Author:  RazeTora [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:50 pm ]
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^
Quote:
because now we have press present and now Perceive
Author:  Donald Serrot [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:04 pm ]
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RazeTora wrote:
^ So we'll be doing a whole lot of peeing here.
So to speak.

Quote:
we'll be doing a whole lot of peeing here.

Quote:
lot of peeing

That is what I was talking about...
Author:  lalalei2001 [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:15 pm ]
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The Perceive System scared me. It did. I mean, It makes this weird creepy thumpy noise as the colors invert, like a heartbeat, and then you see a closeup of Apollo's eye, (it could also be his bracelet) and it's all red. Brrrrrr.

PW taught me the way of the Psyche-Lock, and seeing people's hearts and secrets. AJ teaches me body language and how the subconscious betrays the unwary.
Author:  Scorchgid [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:01 pm ]
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don't play it at night fokes you will get nightmares crepy
(scared going to have nightmares about music creep)
Author:  FdrlPrsctrTails [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:05 pm ]
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It gives us Poker players an edge.
Author:  Donald Serrot [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:07 pm ]
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scorchgid wrote:
don't play it at night fokes you will get nightmares crepy
(scared going to have nightmares about music creep)

My sister won't play Ouendan/EBA or PW/AJ games before bead because she had a dream with both in it!
I welcome the dreams that never come ;_;.
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
It gives us Poker players an edge.

:udgy: Poker head of court room #3.
Author:  DetectiveTomDamron [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:28 pm ]
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When I heard that "heartbeat" and the screen did that effect I was like Wtf is going on!?! Then I found out what was going on. This system is really fun to use for some reason...
Author:  ButzPuff [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:39 pm ]
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scorchgid wrote:
don't play it at night fokes you will get nightmares crepy
(scared going to have nightmares about music creep)

Ironically, I found the best time for me to play with the Perceive system was late it night with a low lights on. When I first saw the color changes from the system, I wondered if Apollo was going on a drug trip all of sudden in the middle of court. Alng the lines of that perhaps that the bracelet secret had a needle in it and Apollo shot himself up with a whole bunch or crack in Court when he gets overstressed. But, I guess I was wrong. :oops:
Author:  Zetto San [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:01 pm ]
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I suppose they couldn't call the system the TRIPPIN' BALLS system.
Author:  KyteZisa [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:07 pm ]
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I like the Perceive System a lot better, maybe because it doesn't seem to take as much work to figure it out.
But I think that's because it occurs in court and you have all the evidence in the Record, and you don't have to go running around searching for something you overlooked (which happened a lot more than I'd like...).
Author:  Ayasato-chan [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:29 pm ]
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It took me a while for finding certain nervous habits... (Especially Brushel)

I already know what my nervous habit is, so the percieve system is dead where I'm concerned.
Author:  KyteZisa [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:33 pm ]
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lol I stumbled on his on accident. I wasn't sure what I saw.

Spoiler:
I'm curious about Krissy's scar...
Author:  E~A [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:36 pm ]
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Apollo would probably catch me picking my nose.
Author:  Franziska von Karma [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:41 pm ]
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Anyone know how many times we get to use the Percieve system in the game?
I'm really liking it so far but I'm worried it won't be implemented very much.
Author:  Regy Rusty [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:43 pm ]
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Franziska von Karma wrote:
Anyone know how many times we get to use the Percieve system in the game?
I'm really liking it so far but I'm worried it won't be implemented very much.


Spoiler: Just in case
I believe you use it once in every testimony save Ema and one other who I won't mention.
Author:  Seal481 [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:44 pm ]
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Croik wrote:
I like the Perceive System. Even if the habbit doesn't always directly connect to the lie, it's unnerving when someone points out that you're doing something you didn't realize you were doing. I think it's that surprise at being caught at something you didn't know you were supposed to control that works in Apollo's favor to get the truth out.

It also makes more sense when the Perceive System fails than with the magatama. When someone lies to Phoenix and no Psyche Locks appear, there's no explanation as to why the magatama simply didn't work on that one (other than in 2-4, the classic "you didn't ask the right question" block). But with the Perceive System, nothing showing up can easily be explained by the person simply being too composed to give anything away.

The Magatama reads everyone lying the same way. The Perceive System reads everyone lying a little bit differently. I think that makes it a bit more interesting.


This.

I think the Perceive system is more realistic then the Magatama, and I never really liked the Magatama anyways.
Author:  KyteZisa [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:46 pm ]
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Franziska von Karma wrote:
Anyone know how many times we get to use the Percieve system in the game?
I'm really liking it so far but I'm worried it won't be implemented very much.


Not enough, personally.

Spoiler:
About once per witness, I believe.
Author:  George [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:51 pm ]
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I think this percieve system is pretty fun. Actually, I'm going to try applying this the next time I play poker with my mates. Maybe I'll become a better poker player :meekins:
Author:  lalalei2001 [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:03 am ]
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I wonder what'd happen if you use it on yourself :) I wanna see my nervous habits so I can fix 'em ^_^
Author:  Zetto San [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:27 am ]
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George wrote:
I think this percieve system is pretty fun. Actually, I'm going to try applying this the next time I play poker with my mates. Maybe I'll become a better poker player :meekins:


Well, you gotta know more about the person then just their tells in Poker. There are alot of mindgames involved with Poker, and you gotta know when to hold them or fold them. Also, you gotta know the difference between a tell and a bluff. PLay with someone long enough, and you'll start seeing their tells and bluffs.
Author:  DetectiveTomDamron [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:34 am ]
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KyteZisa wrote:
lol I stumbled on his on accident. I wasn't sure what I saw.

Spoiler:
I'm curious about Krissy's scar...

*shivers* that was kinda freaky o.O (and yes ive beaten it already XD)
Author:  Scorchgid [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:33 am ]
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Donald Serrot wrote:
scorchgid wrote:
don't play it at night fokes you will get nightmares crepy
(scared going to have nightmares about music creep)

My sister won't play Ouendan/EBA or PW/AJ games before bead because she had a dream with both in it!
I welcome the dreams that never come ;_;.


yes i welcome PW dreams two but i know ones about the Perceive System will just be that creapy music.
Author:  Writer Awakened [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:38 am ]
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Spoiler: 4-4
I'm surprised it took until Apollo points out Kristoph's nervous 'tic' for someone to say that a nervous habit does not a guilty person make. You'd think someone would object to something like that being used as "evidence" of anything.

:odoroki: : Gotcha! Whenever you say the word "murder", you scratch your nose!

:udgy: : Well, I believe we've reached our verdict.
Author:  Mikenno [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:23 pm ]
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Writer Awakened wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
I'm surprised it took until Apollo points out Kristoph's nervous 'tic' for someone to say that a nervous habit does not a guilty person make. You'd think someone would object to something like that being used as "evidence" of anything.

:odoroki: : Gotcha! Whenever you say the word "murder", you scratch your nose!

:udgy: : Well, I believe we've reached our verdict.


HAHA. XD It's true. *tears*

But what I REALLY like is in Case 4-3.

Spoiler: 4-3
You use Perceive three times in awesome ways. Twice on Lamiroir, and here's what I REALLY enjoyed.
I agree that the system is a much more realistic turn for picking out secrets. It lays in a very real method of determining people's lies through habituary actions. If someone is caught doing their habit, it makes it pretty obvious what's going on.
Now you would think that after telling someone you've ripped their habit apart, they would do their best to stop whatever it is they do when they lie. But Lamiroir can't and she ends up swallowing twice when she lies for herself, and then for Machi.

Also another neat detail is like seeing through the glasses. That's so cool. ;;


Spoiler: And cause this is a MAJOR 4-4 Spoiler
Seeing past Kristoph's glasses for the final Cross Examination was frickin' creepy. Then that scar? I wonder if that'll be explained in another game? It was a very particular injury, especially one to focus on..
At least we know what that devil Vera saw was.
Author:  Officer 1BDI [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:47 am ]
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Syke y Ayasato wrote:
It took me a while for finding certain nervous habits... (Especially Brushel)

I already know what my nervous habit is, so the percieve system is dead where I'm concerned.


Oh man, Brushel. I'm stuck on his testimony right now because I've been searching for half an hour for that stupid habit and I'll be damned if I can actually see anything. >_<

ETA: ...Oh my gawd. *headdesk* Finally!

I really like the Percieve System because if I can't find what I need right away, I don't get penalized for it; while as with the Psyche-Locks, if you were missing evidence you had to start all over again after you finally retrieved it.
Author:  commonlogic [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:10 pm ]
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I like the perceive system, and I think it's interesting, but I'm going to be the voice of dissent and go with the magatama.

I liked using the magatama, especially in JFA, because sometimes I tend to go on autopilot while I'm investigating and I find myself not thinking much about how the evidence I pick up might fit together. It was useful for me, then, to do the magatama puzzles because it forced me to think earlier about the evidence I was collecting and put it together in a way that made sense before I had to go to court.
Author:  Shiki Tohno [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:33 pm ]
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Personally, I'm liking the Perception System, a lot. It's pretty awesome figuring out when people lie because of stupid habits they haven't even noticed, and I seriously hope it makes a comeback in the next games. =)
Author:  wassamattawityucca [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:31 pm ]
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I absolutely loved the percieve system. Although it was usually really easy to find the tics, there were always difficult ones, like Brushel's.

It also seemed a little more realistic than the Magatama, although, I still love the Magatama to death. :will:
Author:  CockatriceWright [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:38 pm ]
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I'm certainly liking it. There's some kind of really satisfying feeling when you search for the habit, and then they say something, and then you see it, and then you pounce like a cat! Actually, that's exactly why "GOTCHA!" fits so well for it. :D
Author:  valentinite [ Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:25 am ]
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I like the idea of the Perceive system better, but I find it less fun to play. The psyche-lock breakdowns, I thought, added a lot of interest to the non-court scenes, and the court scenes had enough going on already from a gameplay perspective. I'd have preferred it, I think, if the Perceive system was something you could just trigger whenever to find *information* that you'd then use with evidence, rather than just yelling Gotcha and pestering the witness. Like the witness would flinch on something we didn't already know had to be the contradiction.
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