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Spoiler: The locks

Just recolour the normal ones =/

...Or rip them yourself.

Id do anything in the world if CAPCOM would've established that you can unlock those locks.

They are so deep and dark you can't unlock them, and Phoenix even says that.

On the topic of Psyche-Locks, who thinks Phoenix should give Apollo the Magtama in the next game.
I liked how they had it set up in this one. Right in the talking section instead of in the items.

Occlude Wave wrote:

Just recolour the normal ones =/

...Or rip them yourself.

No.

I'll post a slightly brighter, better balanced version of those locks soon. I know I have that pic somewhere in my screenshots collection...

Spoiler: "4-4 and 2-4"

.... But let's imagine what could be done with that GIANT Magatama you see in Hazakurain in 3-5.... :edgy:

Aviv wrote:

Occlude Wave wrote:

Spoiler: 4-4

(Well...I admit it's a weak point, the amount of Psyche-Locks sometimes tells nothing...I just feel the special Psyche-Locks are not supposed to be broken so easily, or Nick could had broken them in the cell by himself.That's all.:P)

I think mostly it's just that Kristoph's entire mentality is so skewed, that even though he confessed to killing Zak, he doesn't think he was in the wrong to do it- or deep down he doesn't think he really did it, that he wasn't the one at fault.

Or we could just go with the fact he's a sociopath and so firmly entrenched in his sense of self-importance that all the evidence in the world couldn't break those locks- he's utterly immune to the usual sort of psychological prodding that cracks the red locks. :edgy:

Here, i ripped it.
Image
Have fun.

That would be cool to see the amount of effort it would take, but then the final part of the trial would be horribly
redundant.

Come on...you can't expect the unbreakable gray Psyche-Locks got broken in the trial even with out enough evidence? I know in the GS3 Edgey broke Larry's Psyche-Locks in the trail, but they were not gray ones.

We know one lock means one secret.Now let's count how many secrets Kristoph confessed...

1: Shadi was Zak

2.Kristoph used to be Zak's lawyer

3.Kristoph was the one who forged the note page

...anything else? Keep this in mind: we are talking why he killed Zak here, so all the stuff about Vera shouldn't be in counted.

(Well...I admit it's a weak point, the amount of Psyche-Locks sometimes tells nothing...I just feel the special Psyche-Locks are not supposed to be broken so easily, or Nick could had broken them in the cell by himself.That's all.:P)

Author:	Aviv [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:27 pm ]
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Im on the final trial and im not playing as Phoenix Wright. I just remembered there were black Psyche locks on Kristoph, im not sure about them since the magatama icon didnt even appear, can anyone explain?

Author:	Allan's Aokage [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:33 pm ]
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Spoiler: The secret is so deeply enrenched in his being that the Magatama can't pick them. They're unbreakable. Mark your post.

Author:	FerdieLance [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:35 am ]
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Spoiler: The locks Kristoph is such a Magnificent Bastard that no evidence could make him do anything but smile and ask Phoenix to leave the room. Which, basically, is what all of the people with Psyche Locks should have done, really.

Author:	Allan's Aokage [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:04 pm ]
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FerdieLance wrote: Spoiler: The locks Kristoph is such a Magnificent Bastard that no evidence could make him do anything but smile and ask Phoenix to leave the room. Which, basically, is what all of the people with Psyche Locks should have done, really. Second.

Author:	General Luigi [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:34 pm ]
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What they said. However, speaking of those locks, I haven't been able to find sprites of them.

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Author:	Aviv [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Psyche-Lock... (Spoilers)
Yeah, i've been looking too.

Author:	Allan's Aokage [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Psyche-Lock... (Spoilers)
Just recolour the normal ones =/ ...Or rip them yourself.

Author:	Aviv [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:03 pm ]
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Occlude Wave wrote: Just recolour the normal ones =/ ...Or rip them yourself. No.

Author:	lalalei2001 [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:19 pm ]
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I wanna see those sprites too! :)

Author:	Aviv [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:27 pm ]
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Id do anything in the world if CAPCOM would've established that you can unlock those locks.

Author:	Allan's Aokage [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:22 pm ]
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Aviv wrote: Id do anything in the world if CAPCOM would've established that you can unlock those locks. You can't.

Author:	Scorchgid [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:28 pm ]
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I think it has somthing to with how evil khris is. His heart is so cold and empty and steeped in evil that it creats them. The Magtama isn't powerful enough to break them (even if it is pearls magic) It could only just pick them (locks) up.

Author:	Donald Serrot [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:58 am ]
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They are so deep and dark you can't unlock them, and Phoenix even says that. On the topic of Psyche-Locks, who thinks Phoenix should give Apollo the Magtama in the next game. I liked how they had it set up in this one. Right in the talking section instead of in the items.

Author:	Writer Awakened [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:02 am ]
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Donald Serrot wrote: They are so deep and dark you can't unlock them, and Phoenix even says that. On the topic of Psyche-Locks, who thinks Phoenix should give Apollo the Magtama in the next game. I liked how they had it set up in this one. Right in the talking section instead of in the items. Noooo...the Magatama is very personal to Phoenix (because it's a memento of Pearl and Maya), so I don't think Phoenix would ever just get it up. What I'd like to see is a Phoenix cameo as defense attorney in the next case AND for that time, instead of having Apollo and his bracelet, you'd have the Magatama usable during certain parts of the testimony and it would be a "mini-game" within the trial, much like the Perceive System is like a mini-game itself.

Author:	K2J [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:22 am ]
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The new animation STILL freaks me out. I'm used to the timing from the other two games. Speaking of the Ema minigames, I'd rather they became much more consistant across the cases. I.e., that they would use fingerprinting and luminol across all of the non-first cases, instead of jumping around to different minigames from case to case.

Author:	Firefury Amahira [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:48 am ]
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Some points to consider regarding those locks vs the Magatama: -When was the last time one of the Feys charged the thing? Remember way back in 2-2, it was just a pretty little trinket until Pearls powered it up. How long would a single charge last, and does it's power diminish over time/use? -We have no way to even begin to guess what's hidden under those locks. Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4 Kristoph has TWO murders on his head that we know of. The man is clearly a sociopath, with even less of a conscience than even Matt, or Dahlia. .... Okay, hard call on Dahlia, but... Anyway, we find that he's got a massive sense of self-importance, and if he decided that Phoenix had to be punished for being hired on that flashback case, and that people connected to the case like Zak and Vera needed to be killed... who's to say he doesn't have a whole bunch of OTHER skeletons in his closet? What if a client inadvertently offended him? -The man is utterly ruthless, the sort of mentality I could imagine a serial killer having. Psyche-lock breaking is based partly in psychology- using evidence to batter at the evasions the target uses to avoid answering the question. This guy's psychology is clearly, severely broken- his secrets buried so deeply and perhaps with so much denial that evidence is useless; his evasions are too absolute. .... But let's imagine what could be done with that GIANT Magatama you see in Hazakurain in 3-5....

Author:	Komachi [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:46 am ]
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Because I believe there's still some thing behind it... ...I would be really disappointed if there weren't.

Author:	Firefury Amahira [ Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:26 am ]
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Actually, I don't think the bracelet/Magatama combo would be very effective. Remember what we learn in case 4-4, after all. Spoiler: The bracelet itself is actually mundane, and simply made from a material that reacts to body temperature and expands/contracts in reaction to the wearer. And it basically does that to help the wearer (provided the wearer happens to have the ability... I hesitate to call it any sort of mystic power- it seems to me more of a sense of heightened sensitivity and intuition than anything 'magical') recognize their own reaction: Zak goes on about it during the Mason system sequence, and explains that when somebody with the ability is addressing somebody that is lying to them, THEY react subconsciously. Thus the bracelet reacts, and the person with the ability can pay closer attention to what they had been unconsciously detecting. Both serve the same basic purpose, but used in combination there probably wouldn't be any appreciable bonus: The Magatama IS a psychic tool that enables the visualization that someone is hiding something; the bracelet does the same basic thing, but isn't something that almost anyone can use. I actually don't think the larger Magatama in Hazakurain would be any better at cracking those black locks than Maya's little one is, to be honest. I imagine the more powerful the Magatama, the better the resolution, so to speak. A lie that Maya's wouldn't react to, for instance, might show up if the more powerful one is used instead. After all, the Magatama isn't what breaks the locks- it's the evidence/arguments made during the psyche-lock sequence that does the breaking. And I should quit rambling as it is 1:30am

Author:	Komachi [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:17 am ]
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Aviv wrote: Occlude Wave wrote: Just recolour the normal ones =/ ...Or rip them yourself. No. Spoiler: 4-4 Come on, go ahead and rip it Well, I think maybe it can be unlocked in someway which we still don't know. I mean, they still have the lockhole...I just guess.

Author:	Poltergust [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:10 am ]
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What I think that should be in the next game is to use the Perceive System outside of court. If not, then the investigations can get a tad boring, even with the occasional science mini-game.

Author:	Shiki Tohno [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:13 am ]
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I'll post a slightly brighter, better balanced version of those locks soon. I know I have that pic somewhere in my screenshots collection...

Author:	Komachi [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Psyche-Lock... (Spoilers)
DominicanZero wrote: I'll post a slightly brighter, better balanced version of those locks soon. I know I have that pic somewhere in my screenshots collection... That will be perfect...mine was made by MSN shell so it's really in a low quality.

Author:	arimnaes [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:15 am ]
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Spoiler: "4-4 and 2-4" The one thing that bugs me about Kristoph's unbreakable psyche-locks is that we already know from 2-4 that the Magatama can overcome 5 psyche-locks from a deeply evil, sociopathic killer with a GIANT secret to hide. Surely Kristoph can't be that much tougher to crack than Matt Engarde.

Author:	Shiki Tohno [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:48 am ]
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arimnaes wrote: Spoiler: "4-4 and 2-4" The one thing that bugs me about Kristoph's unbreakable psyche-locks is that we already know from 2-4 that the Magatama can overcome 5 psyche-locks from a deeply evil, sociopathic killer with a GIANT secret to hide. Surely Kristoph can't be that much tougher to crack than Matt Engarde. Spoiler: 4-4 That just goes to show you how much that magnificent asshole called Kristoph owns you and your Kurain Magatama. =p

Author:	Aviv [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:12 am ]
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Firefury Amahira wrote: .... But let's imagine what could be done with that GIANT Magatama you see in Hazakurain in 3-5.... Damn, i was gonna say that D: I gotta see a "Real" Magatama's power. (Maya didnt know about psyche locks.)

Author:	Law Name Pun [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:25 am ]
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Wait a minute. The black psychelocks only appeared when you ask Kristoph why he killed Zak, but that is pretty much explained in the last trial right? So what's the big deal about people wanting to find out about those psychelocks?

Author:	Law Name Pun [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:50 am ]
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What more could there be? If you could see the psychelocks during the trial, they would be stripped off as the plot behind Kristoph's plan was revealed.

Author:	Komachi [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:22 am ]
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Come on...you can't expect the unbreakable gray Psyche-Locks got broken in the trial even with out enough evidence? I know in the GS3 Edgey broke Larry's Psyche-Locks in the trail, but they were not gray ones. We know one lock means one secret.Now let's count how many secrets Kristoph confessed... 1: Shadi was Zak 2.Kristoph used to be Zak's lawyer 3.Kristoph was the one who forged the note page ...anything else? Keep this in mind: we are talking why he killed Zak here, so all the stuff about Vera shouldn't be in counted. (Well...I admit it's a weak point, the amount of Psyche-Locks sometimes tells nothing...I just feel the special Psyche-Locks are not supposed to be broken so easily, or Nick could had broken them in the cell by himself.That's all.:P)

Author:	Firefury Amahira [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:51 pm ]
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I think mostly it's just that Kristoph's entire mentality is so skewed, that even though he confessed to killing Zak, he doesn't think he was in the wrong to do it- or deep down he doesn't think he really did it, that he wasn't the one at fault. Or we could just go with the fact he's a sociopath and so firmly entrenched in his sense of self-importance that all the evidence in the world couldn't break those locks- he's utterly immune to the usual sort of psychological prodding that cracks the red locks.

Author:	Aviv [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:55 pm ]
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火曜日 wrote: Aviv wrote: Occlude Wave wrote: Spoiler: 4-4 Come on, go ahead and rip it i'll start right away! thankies.

Author:	Aviv [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:34 pm ]
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Here, i ripped it. Have fun.

Author:	Law Name Pun [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:01 pm ]
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火曜日 wrote: (Well...I admit it's a weak point, the amount of Psyche-Locks sometimes tells nothing...I just feel the special Psyche-Locks are not supposed to be broken so easily, or Nick could had broken them in the cell by himself.That's all.:P) That would be cool to see the amount of effort it would take, but then the final part of the trial would be horribly redundant.

Author:	Komachi [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:26 pm ]
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Firefury Amahira wrote: I think mostly it's just that Kristoph's entire mentality is so skewed, that even though he confessed to killing Zak, he doesn't think he was in the wrong to do it- or deep down he doesn't think he really did it, that he wasn't the one at fault. Or we could just go with the fact he's a sociopath and so firmly entrenched in his sense of self-importance that all the evidence in the world couldn't break those locks- he's utterly immune to the usual sort of psychological prodding that cracks the red locks. Why, it can be~ Aviv wrote: Here, i ripped it. Image Have fun. Wow! save the image Thanks a lot! Law Name Pun wrote: That would be cool to see the amount of effort it would take, but then the final part of the trial would be horribly redundant. That's true...Maybe they made the locks gray just because they don't want you break it in the cell = = Who knows... Actually that's why I said I would be let down if that's all about the gray Psyche-Locks.Oh, Capcom, no...

Author:	Mr.D [ Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:53 am ]
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You could follow this down into it's illogical conclusion: just keep getting better and better bracelets and magatamas until no secret, no matter how damning (nor how trivial) can be brought to the fore with the knowledge of what the subject had for breakfast. Take That!

Author:	Ayasato-chan [ Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:59 am ]
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If the Magatama combined with the Arumajiki/Gramarye Bracelet, then now one would be safe. All the secrets would be exposed: Damning, trivial, irrelevant, or even secrets you DON'T want to know... (Evil Mind.)

Author:	Mr.D [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:00 am ]
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Spoiler: "Kristoph on magatamas" Kristoph would just take the magatama from Phoenix' hand and crush it under his very stylish footwear.

Author:	WhiteElephant [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:17 am ]
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火曜日 wrote: Come on...you can't expect the unbreakable gray Psyche-Locks got broken in the trial even with out enough evidence? I know in the GS3 Edgey broke Larry's Psyche-Locks in the trail, but they were not gray ones. We know one lock means one secret.Now let's count how many secrets Kristoph confessed... 1: Shadi was Zak 2.Kristoph used to be Zak's lawyer 3.Kristoph was the one who forged the note page ...anything else? Keep this in mind: we are talking why he killed Zak here, so all the stuff about Vera shouldn't be in counted. 4. Kristoph told Klavier about the notebook page before the trial date (i.e.: Phoenix's last trial) 5. The yellow envelope was sent by Drew. Spoiler: 4-4 spoiler Not sure if you would count this in. Technically Drew died because of the poisoned stamp so ya~

Author:	Komachi [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:00 am ]
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You see...We are talking about why Kristoph killed Zak here, so... 4.True, Kristohp did tell Klavier about the forged note page, but Zak had no idea about that.If Kristoph really wanted to keep this piece of information from being leaked in any case, he should had killed Klavier instead of Zak.(Not a nice idea, though...) 5.The yellow envelope was sent by Drew half a year after the killing, so why did Kristoph killed someone because of something didn't exist...?