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So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
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Author:  Komachi [ Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:22 am ]
Post subject:  So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
Now I can see quite a few people here are confused (...or annoyed) by the Mason System("What on earth it is?!" =P). I was in the same feeling the first time I got through the game so I collected others' thought about it, and now I have a personal authority of the system. However, it's still confusing me somehow, so I'd like to hear what you think about it. :pearl:

At the beginning of the system, I think Nick said " like your bracelet, I have my own special weapon"(he means the Magatama）...or something like that, I haven't reach there in the English version, sorry. What he said gave me an impression that it was Polly who was facing the system.So what kind of thing the system is?

Well, I believe it's a kind of computer program,or a game. Nick was collecting all the truth and evidence in the seven years and he created the Mason System as a virtual space where you can move from place to place and time to time. He put all the evidence in the system, though you have to pick them up by your self in order to know what he experienced. I know it sounds like a science fiction, but GS time line is much later than the real one after all. Every thing happen in 2025 in the GS4, so it's hard to deny the possibility. Yes, in the system, Nick was talking to the players,but the players of his system in the game instead of US. It's not like a fourth-wall- breaking thing, in my opinion.

Talking about the nail polish which he showed to Vera in order to break her Psycho Locks, I believe in the real world(I mean, the world of GSImage), Nick used the one on her table, not the one Kristoph gave him seven years later, they designed the game in this way just to make it fun, or confusing, or whatever=_=, but still, it's not something like time traveling.

...One more thing, don't ask me how could he make a huge program like that...you know, I also wonder how could he became in charge of the jury system as well, since he's only an ex-lawyer and a piano player who can't play piano.


But just like what I said at the beginning of the thread, I can't explain why Polly still have no idea about the relation ship between him and Trucy if he did get through the system. :sadshoe:


So, that's what my thought about the Mason System, love to hear yours. :phoenix:


Sorry for my poor English if you find it's hard to read. :headbang:
Author:  Lord Seth [ Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
I'm sure Apollo didn't go through it for two reasons. First, Phoenix refers to Apollo in the third person at the start if I remember correctly . Second, Apollo shows only limited knowledge of the information that was given in it. He mentions that Phoenix told him information, so most likely Phoenix was filling him in on SOME of the stuff you saw from the Mason System between the court cases, but didn't tell him all of it.

But I still stand by what I said in another topic. The Mason System is the Human Instrumentality Project.
Author:  Croik [ Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
I think the end of 4-4 makes it pretty clear that the Mason System was intended specifically for the Jury. When he says "like your bracelet" it's just as likely he was speaking to Lamiroir/Thalassa as he was Apollo. For that part of the game, the player kind of takes on the role of Thalassa, as the one viewing the Mason System and as a jurist. It was never that he was talking to us, the player - he was talking to *her.*

The time travel aspect of the Mason System is kind of a red herring. Several times throughout Phoenix makes remarks like, "I wouldn't make the connection until later, but..." implying that things happening in the Mason System do not represent the absolute truth. For example, the nail polish.

When Phoenix visited Vera in the past, he would have seen that nail polish bottle. At the time, he probably would have no idea that it had any significance (I think he even admits as much in the System). He couldn't have: if he had known at that point that the nail polish had any connection to Kristoph and the forgery, he would have warned Mr. Misham about it (or at least, I hope he would have). Seven years later, he finds a similar bottle, in Kristoph's position: that's when he finally understands the connection. The seven year old evidence had no meaning until he was able to connect it to something in the present, and understand in hindsight what must have happened.

Now, the Mason System presents this exchange by going back and forth through time and presenting Kristoph's bottle to Vera directly, which is of course impossible. But it's just the system's way of organizing the facts so that it's easily for someone playing to be able to see and interact with the truth. It fits together a little better when you can see Phoenix understand the clues the instant he finds them, rather than giving you a bunch of clues that have no context, and then giving them that context all at once later on.

It's not actual time travel, it's just gimmick. It's the presentation that Phoenix thought would be the most effective in conveying to the jury all that knowledge he had.

How Phoenix was able to work himself into such an important position... I have no idea! But the Mason System itself is like a game he created for the jury to play: and we get to play it, through the (recently restored?) eyes of Thalassa.
Author:  Regy Rusty [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
I'm already sold on the first piece of "time travelling" evidence, namely the nail polish. The dialogue when you present the nail polish bottle to Vera does not suggest time travel as he refers to the one on her desk. It's just "added" in Kristoph's cell so that the Jurists can make the connection. However, wasn't there another one? I can't remember what it was. If someone could analyze what it was and to whom it was presented perhaps we can figure this out. I'd do it myself, but I won't have a chance to replay that case for a little while.
Author:  Kayube [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
The other one was the picture of Thalassa you get from Brushel, which you then go "back in time" to show to Zak at the Borscht Bowl Club. This might be explainable though... Thalassa was a famous magician, so it's quite possible he could have seen her with the bracelets somewhere before.
Author:  FanGuy [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
There was also the knowledge that Thalassa was Magnifi's daughter, which Phoenix learns at the Borscht Bowl Club in the present and subsequently presents in Valant's psyche lock in the detention center in the past.

I personally loved that whole sequence, had to suspend disbelief for the time mix-ups but it was a really nice dramatic way of revealing past events (I wasn't expecting more than a few flashback scenes myself) and had the added bonus of putting in some more PW fanservice.
Author:  Naruhodou [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
I just assumed the Mason system IN-GAME was the system used for the new jurist system.

However out of game it was a 4th wall breaking system where Phoenix was talking directly to the player. Having a system have both an in-game and out of game function is a bit confusing I guess, but in the game it seems pretty straightforward imo.
Author:  Writer Awakened [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So...what exacty the Mason System is? (4-4 SPOILER)
Yeah, I got the impression that the Mason System was the interface used by the jury to interact with the courtroom (remember, they mention that the jury does not actually sit in the courtroom, but watches the proceedings via closed-circuit camera and sends in their verdicts electronically). Makes sense, IMO.
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