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Besides, I agree it's a welcome change, but they could have still had Klavier be a "nice guy" and not be -boring- in court.
Well, Daryan did betray Klavier's trust...by murdering a guy during their concert. And then missing a cue. I get the feeling that Klavi and Daryan always had a pretty fierce rivalry, at any rate. XD
Also, if by boring in court you mean "doesn't challenge Apollo's case enough" then I agree. I would have liked for Klavi to be as ferocious in the court as he is on stage. Although it's hard to be a great prosecutor when you're rocking out on a regular basis; Klavi's a rock star first and a prosecutor second, IMO. Heck, he already had an album go platinum before his first case! XD
(Also, I can definitely appreciate Klavier's venom towards his brother. I would have liked to see him rip into Kristoph harder, actually; after all, Kris not only diminished Klavi's first court case, but he was originally planning to use the forged evidence in the case to exonerate Zak...against his own brother! Kristoph is stylish, but Klavier really needed to tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine)
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Agreed.
I blame Klavier for not having an epic final presenting of evidence in a few cases like previous games :( Although I have faith that in the AA5 he'll be better if he's the prosecutor because hopefully there will be less ties to his brother and his first case :P
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We've had how many douchebag prosecutors?
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Klavier might very well be my favorite prosecutor in the series!
And if not, he's TIED (but not surpassed) with Franziska.
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We've had how many douchebag prosecutors?
Do we need anymore?
I agree. I thought it was a nice change to have a prosecutor who actually cared about the truth over some grudge (I particularly hate Godot for this reason as well as having a long list of grievances about him outside of that). It was fun to have the prosecutor be a good guy for once from the beginning and he has a great personality although I do hope he gets more development in the next game. He has too much potential as a character to be wasted like that. Besides, I thought Klavier did a good job as the opposition honestly and he didn't need a bunch of dirty tricks to do so.
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I just didn't enjoy him in the courtroom as much :(
I'm just sick of prosecutors getting me out of hot water :(
I don't hate him, just less enjoyable at times although after he recovered in 4-4 he was pretty awesome. I think he'll be better next game!
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The answer: Once.
That's true, you didn't get to see his desperation animation as much which made you feel like you earned it more. At least for me :O
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We've had how many douchebag prosecutors?
Do we need anymore?
Klavier is exponentially more of a douchebag than post 1-4 Edgeworth.
(Also, Godot had the same problem with being a boring foe in court. Not gonna let him slide there.)
Like I said, having a 'nice guy' for a change was welcome. But they made him BORING and even then an asshole half the time. So with me it was all "well, he's going to be an asshole, but he's not going to even put up a good fight / make me feel like I earned it? Hell with this."
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Klavier is exponentially more of a douchebag than post 1-4 Edgeworth.
Seriously? Wow. I can't agree with that, man. Sure, Edgeworth lightens up after returning from his disappearance, but he still has a pretty stinging wit, and all his cryptic bullshit and "lawl find out what it means to defend" crap started to annoy me in 2-4 (2-4 is pure win no matter how you look at it).
Aside from when he finds out that Daryan shafted him and the time when he finds out that Kristoph shafted him, Klavi is...pretty much the most laid-back guy ever (free tickets to his concert? Nice.) I didn't get the feeling that he was a jerk (a bit cocky, but less so than he was at 17). I think he was the most fair of all the prosecutors in AA in letting Apollo present his case before he challenged it...all the other prosecutors tried to run Phoenix over and stop him from even presenting his case effectively (Manfred took this to its extreme by demanding a verdict before Phoenix could even say a word XD).
I agree that we need to see him in GS5.
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The game really dropped the ball on actually DEVELOPING him--twice, when faced with both the crimes of his coworker and friend AND his older brother. Have him be conflicted. Question if he's doing the right thing.
Not fucking TAUNT him.
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Klavier: WRONG SOUND CLIP!
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Dude, you're blind and deaf.
Considering you think Edgeworth is a "garden variety manic-depressive who will probably end up killing himself" I wouldn't be too sure. >_>
Edgeworth is uptight about his job, about prosecution, and about finding the truth--especially in 2-4. He can be condescending there, sure, but on personal matters? Klavier's WAY more arrogant and full of himself.
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Klavier pursued the truth from the start. Thus putting him on "John Michael Doar" level, thus untouchable by Edgey.
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With this in mind, allow me to state something.
I- *takes a swing at Fdr with his broken cane*
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With this in mind, allow me to state something.
I- *takes a swing at Fdr with his broken cane*
*Dodges cane, smirks*
Pyschology 101. Anyone who obsesses over every detail like Edgey does will end up with a gun in his mouth.
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But he didn't really come off as a jerk at any time, to me. Except maybe when he was being all diva-ish in the first part of 4-3. But he'd had a bad day. Yet, Capcom did kind of suck at developing him. Between the events of 4-1, 4-3, and 4-4, there should have been SOMETHING going on in his head. Really.
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I'M DEPRESSED AND ANGRY BECAUSE MY DAD IS DEAD BAWWWWWWWWWWWW PHOENIX WRIGHT YOU KILLED MY FATHER AND DESTROYED MY LEGACY YOU WILL PAY! ...... All right, all right, all right............
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Klavier pursued the truth from the start. Thus putting him on "John Michael Doar" level, thus untouchable by Edgey.
....because he was raised and warped by a madman. Same with Franziska. Which is why I'm talking about post 1-4 Edgeworth. Your precious Klavier would be the same way if he'd been brought up the son of Manfred von Karma.
Anyway, to sum up, and then I'm done with this thread because lol senior capstone:
Klavier is boring as hell in court and they dropped the ball on his development and execution tremendously.
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Arrogant? Full of himself? What game have you been playing? Klavier's a bit cocky, being a rock star and all, but I guarantee you that while there might be laid-back rock stars and laid-back prosecutors, there is no rock star/prosecutor more laid-back than Klavier. He's far from arrogant. The only time he gets worked up is when people stab him in the back or if it has to do with music. I would want to hang out with Klavi-- he doesn't take life or himself too seriously, but he cares about the truth and he doesn't make himself bigger than everyone else unless he's obviously being light-hearted about it.
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Klav's got one hell of an ego.
Anyway, done.
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Calls for a conclusion.
It took Edgey three games to finally show redeeming and professional qualities.
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Arrogant? Full of himself? What game have you been playing? Klavier's a bit cocky, being a rock star and all, but I guarantee you that while there might be laid-back rock stars and laid-back prosecutors, there is no rock star/prosecutor more laid-back than Klavier. He's far from arrogant. The only time he gets worked up is when people stab him in the back or if it has to do with music. I would want to hang out with Klavi-- he doesn't take life or himself too seriously, but he cares about the truth and he doesn't make himself bigger than everyone else unless he's obviously being light-hearted about it.
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Klav's got one hell of an ego.
Anyway, done.
Alright, with his INTRODUCTION... yeah, he was cocky.
But he CLEARLY states that he's a Prosecutor FIRST, and a rock star second.
....
Okay, not so clearly, but he says it in 4-4!
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Klav's got one hell of an ego.
Anyway, done.
Yeah, that's that "kidding around" thing. He does that a lot. There's a difference between friendly boasting and having a superiority complex. And frankly, every prosecutor other than Klavi (Payne, Edgeworth, Manfred, Fran, Godot) have all had that superiority. It's cool when Klavier does it because we know he isn't seriously puffing himself up to make himself look better. He's just genuinely a good guy.
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Example: In 4-4, he says "Is that right, Apollo Justice?" and then a couple lines later he starts with "Herr Forehead" again.
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Example: In 4-4, he says "Is that right, Apollo Justice?" and then a couple lines later he starts with "Herr Forehead" again.
So? :P
I would think that depending on the setting and the tone of the conversation, he would address Polly with different levels of seriousness.
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He is VERY easily quotable. I mean, some characters may say something every once in a while. Every third or so sentence he says has a quotable line in it! (He's not Godot though, who CONSTANTLY brings up nice lines).
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