Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Writer Awakened need Klavi avatar BADLY!
Gender: Male
Location: In a place where Klavilami, Klavilana, and Sassyhobo run free and Klavier slowdances with Iris
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:59 am
Posts: 1520
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
Writer Awakened wrote:
It's always the phrase that evokes the best image and sticks in the mind the longest that makes the best impression on the judge and jury.
"Trial is specatacle. Whomever makes the experience enjoyable wins." - Former United States Surpeme Court Justice Lewis F. Powell.
Can I get a "hell yeah"? By that logic, Klavier is the most motherfucking awesome lawyer on the face of the UNIVERSE. That's the truth.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
Writer Awakened wrote:
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
Writer Awakened wrote:
It's always the phrase that evokes the best image and sticks in the mind the longest that makes the best impression on the judge and jury.
"Trial is specatacle. Whomever makes the experience enjoyable wins." - Former United States Surpeme Court Justice Lewis F. Powell.
Can I get a "hell yeah"? By that logic, Klavier is the most motherfucking awesome lawyer on the face of the UNIVERSE. That's the truth.
HELL YEAH!
I always knew that Mr. Justice Powell was a smart guy.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Ready to RAWK!?
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm
Posts: 9051
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
So by that logic, since Klavier was by far the most boring lawyer in the series to go against, he loses the hardest....?
I thought you were done with this thread.
Mr. Justice Powell spoke of Jury Trials.
I'm fairly sure Klavier would be undefeated in the real world.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
And sure, but I'm not playing a game about the real world, I'm playing a game about the Ace Attorney world.
And I thought winning wasn't everything, hmm?
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Idol of Polar Bears
Gender: Male
Location: Norcal
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:37 pm
Posts: 4353
Er...how do I explain this? Tomorrow! ...Maybe. *disappears*
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Gender: Male
Rank: Suspect
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 1:58 am
Posts: 16
Hmmm, this defense attorney I'm going up against was mentored originally by my brother, a murderer, and now seems to have been taken under the wing of phoenix wright, an attorney who was willing to present faked evidence in court. Perhaps the apple does not fall far from the tree and he is corrupt as well. I should be very wary around him and give him not a whit of trust.Then we get him still trying to get the truth but because he doesn't trust apollo at all, he's constantly trying to trip him up and giving him no more information than he can possibly afford to. I like the guy when I'm just interacting with him, but when I'm against him in court I never feel like I'm really struggling to earn those moments where the prosector just goes "oshit!" Whether or not he's like a real prosecutor, having gone from Edgeworth constantly laying trap after trap after trap, from a gameplay perspective he doesn't feel like a great opponent.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Mafia- Serious Business..lol
Gender: Female
Location: Somewhere in America c:
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:04 pm
Posts: 631
OUR PROSECUTORS CAN'T ALL BE VON KARMAS:
EMOS LOOKING FOR SOME DADDY LOVE:
OR BLIND OLD GUYS:
Yes, Payne is blind. TO THE TRUTH -shot-
Really now xP I think it's interesting to have Klavier around and the mood is definitely a good change. Okay so he isn't super challenging most of the time but he is more realistic when it comes to Prosecutors. Think about the times the others popped up too:
Edgeworth: Five times prosecuted (1-2, 1-3, 1-5, 2-4, 3-4)(in 3-5 he defensed so that doesn't really count since we control him)
Franziska: Three times prosecuted (2-2, 2-3, 3-5) (In 2-4 she was shot and in 3-5 she appeared again for a short while)
Payne: Four times prosecuted (First case of all games. Prosecuting Luke in 3-2 and Maggey in 3-3 didn't count since Luke was never given a verdict for being MaskdeMasque and there was a re-trial)
Godot: Three times prosecuted (3-2, 3-3, 3-5) (He too was a defense attorney but we never controlled him)
Manfred: One time prosecuted (1-4)
Klavier: Three times Prosecuted (4-2, 4-3, 4-4)
This is only is first game and unlike Edgey who said he died, Franny who went back to Germany, Godot whose in prison and Manfred who is also in prison- there is a high chance of him coming back to the ring for the next game. Payne too is coming back for his 5th time prosecuting us in GS5.
Besides you can't really judge Klavier too quickly. We don't know much about him besides:
x His brother is a maniac when it comes to Law.
x He prosecuted Phoenix's last trial.
x He had a band which broke up at the end of the game.
x Prosecutor from Germany, starting at age 17.
That's pretty much it. From the first game that the other prosecutors popped up in we knew basically their whole life story.
x Edgey's dad died in DL-6 and he was taken under Manfred
x Franziska is a Von Karma and has been stressed since 13 to be constantly perfect according to her father.
x Manfred is a jackass
x Godot used to be a defense attorney until he was poisoned by Dahlia. His girlfriend also died while he was in a coma.
x Payne is also a jackass, although a bit more sniveling than Manfred.
The fact that we don't get much of Klavier's back story revealed so quickly feels like a sign in my opinion. Klavier is going to come back and I believe it is with a fair vengeance!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Ready to RAWK!?
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm
Posts: 9051
And no offense, but Manfred was pretty cool. Reason why? They have him a foolproof angle, pardon the pun: The undefeatable dynasty character who wants to make your life a living, breathing hell.
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Mafia- Serious Business..lol
Gender: Female
Location: Somewhere in America c:
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:04 pm
Posts: 631
And Manfred was an awesome prosecutor but tended to a jackass. Especially when he went: "LOLUSUK-TASER-" on us ]: </3
Edit: Kristoph and Klavier are also German 8D~
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
nuuuuu, stoooooop
Gender: Female
Location: America
Rank: Admin
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:16 am
Posts: 5255
Klavier cares enough not to get innocent people found guilty, and THAT makes him an asshole? Sure if he was a better prosecutor none of those cases would have made it to court in the first place, but that's just as much Ema's fault (and the rest of the department). He's nowhere near as poor a prosecutor as Franziska, who deliberately ignored evidence that didn't fit her theories and simply hoped it wouldn't show up in court. Or Godot, who didn't give a crap who was found guilty as long as he beat Phoenix.
Just the fact that Klavier is able to admit when he's wrong makes him the smarter prosecutor in my book.
And quite frankly, I didn't find him boring. He wasn't at your throat the whole time, but I didn't mind the focus being on Apollo vs Criminal than him being against the prosecutor. It means by the time he gets to a cutthroat attorney, he'll have a lot of adjusting to do. And how many times can you have a jackass prosecutor with a personal grudge who will do anything to win? Yawn. I'll take Klavier over Franziska and Godot any day.
Maybe he could have been more aggressive, but that's a beef with him as an antagonist (which in some ways, he's not even that) as opposed to his skill as a prosecutor. Those firecrackers were obviously set to mislead someone: if they had been set off during the second part of the concert, there would have been no one there to hear it, and were thus useless. They only make sense as evidence if they were used during the 3rd act, and Klavier recognized this. It's not an oversight, it's common sense.
And I definately don't think any mistakes Klavier made in court are still as obvious as Godot and the amazing imaginary mirror in 3-3.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
And when I talk about prosecutor, I mean in the context of the game. Klavier bored me in court even worse than Godot did, and it wasn't Apollo vs Criminal as much as it was Apollo (and Klavier all but building Apollo's case for him) vs Criminal. There's no sense of accomplishment once you win, because he's been helping you the whole way.
I think it's good to have a "nice guy," but I don't like how that translates to a more boring court experience. And Klavier just never gave the sense that he was 'trying' at all, honestly. Sure, it was good for Apollo because his defendants WERE innocent. But Klav never even seems to be trying even before the "hey, they're innocent" even becomes a possibility.
I'll concede he's better than Godot and 2-2/2-3 Fran. But Edgeworth (especially 2-4 Edgey) and 3-5 Fran just seem to blow him out of the water, and carry out the more 'fair' standard while still having an exciting court experience.
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)Last edited by CantFaketheFunk on Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Gender: None specified
Rank: Suspect
Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:52 pm
Posts: 12
The reason? I liked seeing a prosecutor who wasn't an antagonist. Klavier helping you out in cases felt okay to me because it wasn't like the other side was handing stuff to me, he was on the same side. He still provided a bit of a challenge, you know, it wasn't like he just played the whole game for me. I always felt that the real antagonists of the game should be the true murderers rather than the prosecutor (where overlaps occurred, that was truly awesome I'll admit).
And shaking up the whole GRUDGEGRUDGEGRUDGE formula was a breath of fresh air, IMO.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Great Scott! This is Heavy!
Gender: None specified
Location: The Future.
Rank: Medium-in-training
Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:37 pm
Posts: 379
Plus, the wall hitting objection is awesome, as well as his theme music.
"Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads." -Doc
Last edited by Deltron on Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
For the night, I had to go work.
And sure, but I'm not playing a game about the real world, I'm playing a game about the Ace Attorney world.
And I thought winning wasn't everything, hmm?
And sure, but I'm not playing a game about the real world, I'm playing a game about the Ace Attorney world.
And I thought winning wasn't everything, hmm?
Justice is a byproduct of winning.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
My issue has always been with his execution, and the fact that he doesn't get half the character development he *should*, the fact that he makes court a boring, anticlimactic experience compared to Fran, Manfred, and Edgey--even Godot at times.
It's a good idea, just... poorly done.
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
For the night, I had to go work.
And sure, but I'm not playing a game about the real world, I'm playing a game about the Ace Attorney world.
And I thought winning wasn't everything, hmm?
And sure, but I'm not playing a game about the real world, I'm playing a game about the Ace Attorney world.
And I thought winning wasn't everything, hmm?
Justice is a byproduct of winning.
When you're right, sure. So why does Klavier lose all three of the cases we see?
Right, the 'truth.'
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
If you make every Trial about the search for Justice, you end up talking to yourself in elevators.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Ready to RAWK!?
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm
Posts: 9051
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
For the night, I had to go work.
And sure, but I'm not playing a game about the real world, I'm playing a game about the Ace Attorney world.
And I thought winning wasn't everything, hmm?
And sure, but I'm not playing a game about the real world, I'm playing a game about the Ace Attorney world.
And I thought winning wasn't everything, hmm?
Justice is a byproduct of winning.
When you're right, sure. So why does Klavier lose all three of the cases we see?
Right, the 'truth.'
He won the trial in 4-4, in the past.
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
If you're a prosecutor, should you be trying to win, or trying to find the truth? Sometimes they align. Sometimes they don't.
Anyway, I was courteous and stayed out of your "Klavier love" thread. No reason we can't have a thread for those of us who didn't like him, right? ;D
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
Wrestlemania wrote:
He won the trial in 4-4, in the past.
Only because Phoenix lost by default.
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Ready to RAWK!?
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm
Posts: 9051
And if you want to use the "PW" terms, he won the 4-4 case, if it wasn't for the Jurors...
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
He won the trial in 4-4, in the past.
Only because Phoenix lost by default.
Crane v. Arkansas. A win is a win.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
And he didn't win 4-4, Vera was found not guilty >_>
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
操纵距离程度的能力
Gender: Female
Location: Ottawa
Rank: Donor
Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:22 am
Posts: 1317
You can call me whatever you want:3
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Lifesmith
Gender: None specified
Rank: Suspect
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:47 am
Posts: 11
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
Pyschology 101. Anyone who obsesses over every detail like Edgey does will end up with a gun in his mouth.
Blanket Statements/Uninformed Assumptions 101.
You've passed.
EDIT: This isn't meant to be abrasive toward you, Fdrl. Just pointing out a blanket statement that's simply untrue and could be deemed offensive. You could make the argument that people whom obsess over details are prone to depression, but it's a little difficult to say "They'll end up killing themselves".
Besides, as a prosecutor, isn't it it your job to be obsessed over details?
You don't plan to off yourself anytime soon, do you?
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
AmIDoinItRite wrote:
FdrlPrsctrTails wrote:
Pyschology 101. Anyone who obsesses over every detail like Edgey does will end up with a gun in his mouth.
Blanket Statements/Uninformed Assumptions 101.
You've passed.
EDIT: This isn't meant to be abrasive toward you, Fdrl. Just pointing out a blanket statement that's simply untrue and could be deemed offensive. You could make the argument that people whom obsess over details are prone to depression, but it's a little difficult to say "They'll end up killing themselves".
Besides, as a prosecutor, isn't it it your job to be obsessed over details?
You don't plan to off yourself anytime soon, do you?
Please, call me Tails.
Justice, as defined by former Harris County District Attorney Carol Vance. (Yes Carol is a guy)
"Justice. Judges dance with it, Defense Attorneys scream about it and great Prosecutors do their best not to think about it."
I obsess over details at work. But I know how to leave work at work. I don't think Edgey can do that. We know Klavier leaves work quite well.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Mafia- Serious Business..lol
Gender: Female
Location: Somewhere in America c:
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:04 pm
Posts: 631
Prosecutor by Day.
Rockstar by Night.
Best way to ease your stress levels.
I like to quickly add on Kristoph to the list of 'People that Obsess over Details'. He took his work into his personal life by forging evidence, thus having to keep tabs on people that would have anyway to talk and question him on said evidence. And what happened to him?
Well he didn't shoot himself, but he did:
x Forge evidence to try and win a trial.
x Got pissed when he was fired over the trial over poker.
x Tried to poison a little 12 year old girl.
x Killed a man.
x Go pretty much insane over 'absolute law'
Whose to say that Edgeworth wouldn't have ended up like Kristoph (or even worse- Manfred Von Karma) if Phoenix didn't come to help him.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
I was involved in a case that sent me off the deep-end. It's not fun knowing you've gone slightly insane.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Last edited by FdrlPrsctrTails on Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Mafia- Serious Business..lol
Gender: Female
Location: Somewhere in America c:
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:04 pm
Posts: 631
No one is born evil. It is through corruption and pride that evil is born into somebody's heart.
Examples:
-SHOT- (okay, not really) Kristoph became evil because he was corrupted by the same law system he dedicated himself too. He lived for perfection and would do anything to achieve it.
In short:
Kristoph is the better looking Manfred of the Defense World.
That and he isn't as much as a bastard as Manfred was :B;;
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
WhiteElephant wrote:
Kristoph became evil because he was corrupted by the same law system he dedicated himself too.
What is every Attorneys greatest fear?
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Mafia- Serious Business..lol
Gender: Female
Location: Somewhere in America c:
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:04 pm
Posts: 631
Point is: Klavier isn't super challenging with his objections but he is most likely the sanest prosecutor in the series yet (not even Payne and his OLD MAN STYLE can compare)
Air Guitar Insertion GO:
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
The Law is just a Game...
Gender: Male
Location: Manhattan, New York
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:20 am
Posts: 6053
WhiteElephant wrote:
I think I backtracked a little from Klavier to Kristoph 8D;;
Point is: Klavier isn't super challenging with his objections but he is most likely the sanest prosecutor in the series yet (not even Payne and his OLD MAN STYLE can compare)
Air Guitar Insertion GO:
Point is: Klavier isn't super challenging with his objections but he is most likely the sanest prosecutor in the series yet (not even Payne and his OLD MAN STYLE can compare)
Air Guitar Insertion GO:
Good point. Sanity goes a long way. Plus he's not emo or a dominatrix.
sig by RhiaMy Trial Record, 14-0. I support Klavi & Krissi.
Where there is a law, I'll enforce it!
Where there is a crime, I'll prosecute it!
Where there is a victim, I'll fight for them!
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Mafia- Serious Business..lol
Gender: Female
Location: Somewhere in America c:
Rank: Prosecutor
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:04 pm
Posts: 631
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
So moe for Makoto it's funny.
Gender: Male
Location: NC, NJ, MN
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 am
Posts: 2501
(Awesome sig art by Axl99!)
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Ruler of Lowát
Gender: Male
Rank: Decisive Witness
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:29 am
Posts: 269
Before I say anything else, I’ll give
one thing...
Most, badass “desk”-slam, ever.
A “nice guy who fights for truth”, huh?
Sorry, I never saw that, it might have been interesting if that’s how he came across.
He did two nice things in game; he built Apollo’s cases for him and it seemed to come across as forced, Apollo seemed smarter then that, and heck, if the game thought you needed hints, have Trucy give them to you, she’s actually smart, and you have an aid for a reason! And he gives Apollo the tickets which
The other prosecutors were arrogant jerks as well but they didn’t try to hide behind this mask of “I’m such a nice and cool person, love me everyone!”
Further more, while he may have thought he was fighting for truth, he did a crappy job of it, he went from theory 1 “the defendant did it.” To Apollo’s theory with very minimal resistance, the problem was he didn’t question it enough and would help Apollo build his case when it was only slightly more plausible then the first theory. The truth isn’t always the second or third plausible theory. He made Apollo’s job too easy which not only damages the game play experience for the player, but also damages his supposed geas for truth.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Writer Awakened need Klavi avatar BADLY!
Gender: Male
Location: In a place where Klavilami, Klavilana, and Sassyhobo run free and Klavier slowdances with Iris
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:59 am
Posts: 1520
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Or an interesting, dynamic and developed character.
Wow, great argument! You sure convinced me to hate Klavier
You can have your opinions, but let's be frank: "Klavier sucks" is not a great argument and will never convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
DarknessLord wrote:
He did two nice things in game; he built Apollo’s cases for him and it seemed to come across as forced, Apollo seemed smarter then that, and heck, if the game thought you needed hints, have Trucy give them to you, she’s actually smart, and you have an aid for a reason! And he gives Apollo the tickets which I think was part of an elaborate plan to molest Trucy seemed to act as a simple plot setup, and if you must have an “in-game” reason, it was to show everyone how great he was. The entire time he seemed like an uncaring douche who only even pretended to act nice and cool as part of his “look how great I am!” image.
The other prosecutors were arrogant jerks as well but they didn’t try to hide behind this mask of “I’m such a nice and cool person, love me everyone!”
Further more, while he may have thought he was fighting for truth, he did a crappy job of it, he went from theory 1 “the defendant did it.” To Apollo’s theory with very minimal resistance, the problem was he didn’t question it enough and would help Apollo build his case when it was only slightly more plausible then the first theory. The truth isn’t always the second or third plausible theory. He made Apollo’s job too easy which not only damages the game play experience for the player, but also damages his supposed geas for truth.
The other prosecutors were arrogant jerks as well but they didn’t try to hide behind this mask of “I’m such a nice and cool person, love me everyone!”
Further more, while he may have thought he was fighting for truth, he did a crappy job of it, he went from theory 1 “the defendant did it.” To Apollo’s theory with very minimal resistance, the problem was he didn’t question it enough and would help Apollo build his case when it was only slightly more plausible then the first theory. The truth isn’t always the second or third plausible theory. He made Apollo’s job too easy which not only damages the game play experience for the player, but also damages his supposed geas for truth.
Awesome. I love knowing that deep down everyone who has ever been nice to me is secretly a douchebag. Nice.
I've known people who thought they were hot shit. I've also known people who liked to boast about how awesome they were just to lighten the mood. Klavi falls under the latter category. Klavier doesn't take things seriously. Let me ask you: If Klavier really only cared about himself and his image, why did he let Apollo and Trucy investigate the crime scene in 4-2 when even EMA wouldn't let them in? Why would he give Apollo and Trucy tickets to their show AND a backstage pass to MEET some of the stars in person? (don't even joke about that molestation shit, take that crap to the Gant thread) You know, because you seem to think he's grubbing for every dollar he can make. Lastly, why would he let you into his office and so freely tell you things about the case in 4-3?
Now, about his prosecuting: Maybe he could have prolonged the trials a little longer, threw up a more few objections, yes. Agreed. ...And? You guys said AA world /= real world, right? In that case, what is the problem with Klavier standing in court and realizing "Maybe the defendant didn't do it. The facts seem to point in the direction of X suspect"? Once Apollo's theory became more likely than the prosecution's theory (for example, when Daryan's alibi was shot, he became the prime suspect), Klavier backed off and let Apollo talk. Or is it a rule that AA prosecutors HAVE to be persistent pricks who don't quit until they're already six feet under? Apollo's job didn't seem easy to me, even if the game was disappointingly easy...honestly, he needed all the help he could get, and no matter what happened, Trucy would have bailed him out anyway.
Also, if you guys really think Klavier is an asshole, that's fine, cool, but...what would someone have to do to be on your "good" list? Find world peace?!
Klavi's a fun guy and doesn't take anything but betrayal too seriously. That's good enough for me, at least.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Ready to RAWK!?
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm
Posts: 9051
DarknessLord wrote:
Who has human motivations and cares for the people close to him.
Before I say anything else, I’ll give one thing...
Most, badass “desk”-slam, ever.
Before I say anything else, I’ll give
one thing...Most, badass “desk”-slam, ever.
I certainly is a bada$$ desk slam... so bada$$, he doesn't even hit the DESK...
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Klavier isn't a very good prosecutor... (spoilers)
Writer Awakened need Klavi avatar BADLY!
Gender: Male
Location: In a place where Klavilami, Klavilana, and Sassyhobo run free and Klavier slowdances with Iris
Rank: Ace Attorney
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:59 am
Posts: 1520
Wrestlemania wrote:
DarknessLord wrote:
Who has human motivations and cares for the people close to him.
Before I say anything else, I’ll give one thing...
Most, badass “desk”-slam, ever.
Before I say anything else, I’ll give
one thing...Most, badass “desk”-slam, ever.
I certainly is a bada$$ desk slam... so bada$$, he doesn't even hit the DESK...
That puts Manfred's display to shame. Even the lights flicker when his fist smashes the wall XD
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
News
Site map
SitemapIndex
RSS Feed