Would it have been better..

Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:23 pm

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If Mia wasn't killed so early on?

I'll write down my opinion later but I'm kind of in a rush now. Tell us your opinion :hobohodo:

Re: Would it have been better..

Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:25 pm

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IMO, if Mia wasn't killed so early, Phoenix possibly would not have met Maya so early on.

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Re: Would it have been better..

Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:26 pm

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Sure...and then she could hold his hand even more than she did before. GS3 would have a drastically different plot, and Matt would have gotten away with murder without Mia being channled to help Phoenix determine De Killer's location.

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Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:28 pm

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No.

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CatMuto wrote:

Pierre wrote:

Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)

I feel the same

Re: Would it have been better..

Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:28 pm

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And another thing.

Spoiler: 3-5

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Re: Would it have been better..

Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:01 pm

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Meenyman wrote:

IMO, if Mia wasn't killed so early, Phoenix possibly would not have met Maya so early on.

Not really.

In the beginning of 1-2, they were all planning to meet at Mia's office and go out somewhere.

neoswordmaster wrote:

Sure...and then she could hold his hand even more than she did before. GS3 would have a drastically different plot, and Matt would have gotten away with murder without Mia being channled to help Phoenix determine De Killer's location.

The problem I have with this is that if Mia hadn't died, she wouldn't have asked Maya to help Phoenix. Maya might visit but probably wouldn't be around much, so who can say she would have been there at Gatewater to be kidnapped in the first place?

Also, with Mia holding Phoenix's hand all the time, how much of a name would he have made for himself? How many famous people would have lined up for his defense, including a certain movie star who would hire an assassin to kill and kidnap for ransom? And can we assume they would have been at the banquet in the first place? Would Will have called Phoenix in 1-3, or would he have called Mia? Or would he have called someone else, and then thanked them instead by inviting them to the banquet? So many things to consider.

Meenyman wrote:

And another thing.

Spoiler: 3-5

Both possibilities. However, if Mia had been alive, she probably would have caught wind of her aunt Morgan's foul deeds, and warned Maya or at least gone with her to the temple. Also, if Mia had been alive, and Godot had awakened, he would have sought her out, and even worked with her and Phoenix the proper way, instead of getting Misty killed and Iris accused of murder and Maya lost for two days.

Would it have been better for Mia to not be killed so early? As far as everyone being happy, I suppose. But storywise, a lot of Ace Attorney would be different.

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Re: Would it have been better..

Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:25 pm

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..Of course I don't mean that Mia should be alive in the story as it is.

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Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:41 pm

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LyingColdly wrote:

..Of course I don't mean that Mia should be alive in the story as it is.

Ummm... then how do you mean? Either she's dead or she's alive. Or do you have some other scenario where she dies at a different point in the timeline? Please elaborate.

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Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:07 pm

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Adrian in black wrote:

LyingColdly wrote:

..Of course I don't mean that Mia should be alive in the story as it is.

Ummm... then how do you mean? Either she's dead or she's alive. Or do you have some other scenario where she dies at a different point in the timeline? Please elaborate.

Mia dies: Everything goes the way we know it goes, up to 3-5.
Mia lives: No 'Wright & Co Law Offices', less Maya, and pretty much nothing that happened onwards from 1-2 would've happened.

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Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:31 pm

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As much as I like Mia as a character, it is for the better that she died. The storyline of AA is so good, any different and many people wouldn't love it as much as they do (myself included). If Mia was alive, Phoenix would rely on her too much to help him get through (even more than he normally does) and it would be stupid. It was for the better that she died.

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Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:24 am

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Re: Would it have been better..

Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:31 am

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Scarfu wrote:

Well put and agreed.

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Re: Would it have been better..

Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:42 am

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Phoenix wouldn't be so confident in the end if it weren't for her passing on cause he'd still be working under her. It's hard to say if the cases would've been solved easier or not. All I know is that the WHOLE plot of T&T would be void if she were alive.

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Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:58 pm

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Meenyman wrote:

And another thing.

Spoiler: 3-5

Spoiler: T&T

Anyway, it's probably better that Mia died when she did.

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Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:30 pm

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rydus65 wrote:

Meenyman wrote:

And another thing.

Spoiler: 3-5

Spoiler: T&T

Spoiler:

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Re: Would it have been better..

Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:48 pm

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I totally agree.

I would have preferred if they made the player like Mia more, and after a lot of time and cases with her, she suddenly gets killed.
That would make PW a bit more emotional.

But I'm a sucker for dramatic stories... :yuusaku:

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Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:48 pm

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I origianally thought Mia would die in the last case of the last game.

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Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:29 am

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If Mia didn't die, then there'd be no Ace Attorney in the first place, because Phoenix would still be working under Mia, and he wouldn't have much of a reputation because he wouldn't go against Edgeworth so soon.

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Re: Would it have been better..

Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:57 pm

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With respect, I think a lot of people are missing the point that if Mia died, the story would've been written in a different way so Phoenix still ends up going off without her, without her tutorial advice. It just so happens that killing her had the effect of "the tutorial is over now" but if she'd stayed alive, something else would have caused the tutorial to end and Phoenix to make his own law firm. You can't look at the whole storyline and say what would and wouldn't have happened if Mia had lived because if she had survived, the story would be written differently to allow things to still happen the way the writer wanted it.

I guess I'm coming at this from the point of view of writing a story, rather than in an in-universe way. I think she did "need" to die because it exemplified the passing on of the proverbial baton very well and it was an easy way to introduce all the spiritualistic elements of the plot. It also set the tone that "anything" could happen in AA; this isn't the sort of story where the major players all have plot armour. My opinion is that she should have been kept around a bit longer, just to let the player grow more attached to her and to make it more devastating emotionally when she was killed. As it was, her death was just a scene-setter rather than a real blow to the player (like if, say, Maya or Gumshoe was killed). Still, they did a great job of characterising her and fostering an attachment between the player and her in such a short time.

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Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:52 pm

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They may not have done it because it would've taken away from the game. That's kind of a climax thing to do- not a middle game thing. This way, it's like as if she was around the whole time and DIDN'T die. If she died later, then that would've had to been the last game, and that would've completely over shadowed Mile's case. That's IMHO