This is the official AAI Countdown thread for case 3-3, Recipe For Turnabout. Use this thread to chat about the case and its characters, any pairings you drew from it, tell us when the last time you played it was and if your feelings about it have changed, etc.

This is just for fun so if you're not following the countdown exactly or at all you're still very welcome to post.

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In a word...

Shudder.

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I don't like this case. It's one of the worst in the series. Its a bad filler case and most of the newly introduced characters do not make an appearance at all in the later cases and/or games.

Since I'm not writing a long review, here is a list.

*Bad Plot
*Bad Character development
*Lovesick characters equals bad'
*Horrible, scarring music
*Much more but not commenting on.

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The problems I have with this case are pretty much the same ones I had with case 3-2: the characters get on my nerves (including the recurring ones!), Godot is a jerk, and the case is uninteresting. Also, I thought dragging the mob into this case was highly arbitrary and unnecessary (really, why?), although I will say that Viola impressed me with her total creepiness.

As for utilizing the mob, again, case 4-2 showed how it's done.

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I'm on the fence with this case. I enjoyed certain parts of the plot, especially everything surrounding Tigre's dilemma with Viola and her grandfather. Viola herself is a favorite of mine, too: I was genuinely surprised to see her tears when she learned that Tigre was only trying to cover his own behind and probably didn't care at all about Viola's feelings.

I... didn't really care much for Jean and his restaurant, though. That side of the case - Jean, his debt, Victor, etc - didn't catch my interest. Although, Jean is incredibly funny at times. One of my favorite parts is when he puts the lotion on and Phoenix screams "MY EYES!" XD

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Underrated case (imo, all cases in T&T are great, and this one is no exception). Even though it's almost completely "filler", it's really fun to play through.
I loved the different, seemingly unrelated pieces of the puzzle it introduced one by one - a suspicious chef, loan sharks, computer viruses, a mob boss (I, for one loved how they "dragged the mob" into the case)...
It has great, underappreciated side characters (Lisa Basil, Jean Armstrong... even the victim is interesting), one of the most entertaining villains in the series (with bonus points for awesome theme music). The overall plot is excellent (I like how every character's motivations and backstories play a part in it), the murderer's plan is original and clever (perhaps too clever, but then again, I'm convinced it was Viola who came up with it), and the court scenes are thrilling (especially the second day).

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This case screams filler, but it's good anyway. The character lineup was really strange in this one (a French chef? Computer tech geeks? The mob??), but nonetheless, they were pretty entertaining characters (Especially Tigre and Jean, they were hilarious.)

All and all, this is good for a funny, less serious case. My grade for this case is gonna be a B, since it wasn't totally perfect or anything, but I liked it anyway.

Actually I like this case, but it has its flaws.

First the motive, why did Tigre have to kill Glen? Come on, he could have just taken the damn cd. Why should Glen even care? He just won 500000$.

Second the phony Phoenix, that was just so stupid. Why should anybody think Tigre is Phoenix, there was no need to include such an unnecessary part to the story.

But if you neglect these parts, the case is actually fun. I liked the characters and the court scenes, even the music. ;)

More than makes up for it, in my opinion.

Anyway, the first parts of these two cases are so frickin' long, I'm gonna rejoin the countdown in 3-4. Ahh, gotta love the pure Trial awesomeness~


Glen worked at Blue Screens Inc. - there's no way he could've been totally oblivious to the CD's worth. At the very least, it was a powerful virus: he would've been plain stupid just to hand it over to a guy like Furio Tigre.

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Apart from the scenes with Armstrong, this isn't that bad of a case in my opinion. There's a good plot, with good music (Kudo's and Tigre's character themes are awesome) and I liked how everything tied together at the end.

I found the new characters (beside Armstrong) likeable, especially Tigre in my opinion: Not only is he intimidating, he's also provides some of the case's more hilarious moments, sending everyone (mainly the Judge) hiding under their desks. I have to say though, that Viola really creeps me out (even more than Armstrong).

So overall, although I can't stand Armstrong, I'd say that the overall case is quite good.

Well Furio could just have punched him in the face and taken the cd by force. What should Elg do? Go to the police? "Hey this guy with mafia connections stole the virus, I programmed!"

I really enjoyed Tigre in this case, but the murder itself makes my eyes roll. I find it hard to believe that Tigre wouldn't have just punched Glenn in the face and stolen the CD, like Lusankya said.

Or, after having killed him, why would Tigre go to the trouble of recreating the murder so that Kudo would see it? Why not just wipe his prints and walk out? Maggey obviously didn't get a good enough look at him to identify him later, and of course Jean and Viola wouldn't have ratted him out. It was going the extra mile that got him caught.

Plus I find it so painful to watch Godot stumble through the last half of the trial, being completely wrong about everything, knowing that by 3-5 Gumshoe will still be saying, "He's one of the best!"

But still I like the case because I like Tigre that much, and the side characters are funny.

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Yeah, if there was any case that showed exactly how incompetant Godot was as a prosecutor, this was it.

First trial day, he just regurgitates the information and evidence from the previous trial, then as soon as Phoenix points out the first contradiction about the ear medication, Godot's at a complete loss as to how to proceed in the trial until Gumshoe speaks up about calling Kudo to the stand.

Second day, all Godot has as far as an argument is "There was a mirror!" Once Phoenix proves there wasn't a mirror, again Godot is stumped, and again, someone else has to call the next witness.

Even Payne has enough sense to prepare more than one witness (2-1, 3-1).

Yes, Winston Payne is more competant than Godot. Think about that for a minute.

Also, as much as I liked 2-1 Maggey, I wanted to slap her 3-3 version. I don't know if she expected him to lie under oath for her or what, but throwing her little temper tantrum was just... I could almost sympathize a little if her previous job hadn't been a POLICE OFFICER. She should know the protocol. Same goes with her later blaming Gumshoe for the ear medicine bottle not being relevant even though he had no way of knowing that and Phoenix was the one who asked for the testing in the first place.

Even with fail!Godot, bitch!Maggey, and the fact that Tigre really didn't need to kill Elg let alone cover it up as others have mentioned, I liked this case alright. At the very least, it's the best "third" case in the series, with the possible exception of Turnabout Samurai. The murder and coverup themselves were interesting enough, and the new characters were great. Yes, even Armstrong.

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I guess so. Most murder plots in AA are ridiculously and unnecessarily convoluted (with the possible exception of 2-2, where the game at least addresses it, but here there really wasn't a need for murder at all. And moreover, if Tigre was just being stupid why didn't Viola pick up on it? She seems a lot sharper than he is.



This, SO MUCH. I didn't know the 2-1 Maggey until much later so for this entire case I saw her as a stupidly whiny character. With more minus points for making Gumshoe sad.

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This case is a great one!

Godot's in it again, which is partly why I like it so much. Maggey and Gumshoe were absolutely adorable in this case, and Glen's one of my favourite victims ever, for some reason. Viola and the Tigre are just so cool, and I...I think I'm the only person in the world who thinks Jean Armstrong is cute. I don't know why, he just makes me smile any time I see him. <3

I thought the storyline was very good, I really enjoyed trying to work out what had happened and the music at the start of this case is the best music ever, too, I contantly listen to it on my MP3. XD

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This is my favourite case in T&T. It was so fun and different and I loved it.

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Poor reason to commit murder notwithstanding, I thought the case was pretty good. Especially because of . He has one of the best theme songs of them all. I couldn't help but laugh every time he appeared accusing Nick of this or that, and the best part was when he was on the witness stand. And how Godot was the only one not hiding under a desk at some point XD
was the next best character. The part where she had both Nick and Maya thinking she poisoned them was hillarious. Then later you felt so bad for her after she found out Furio didn't care about her.
And of course we got to see both Maya and Mia in a new outfit

The bad part of the case?


Stupid, repulsive, thieving, lying asshole.

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Oh, how could I have forgotten about Mia? That's good, show up, flash your tits, and leave. Let me solve the case myself for once.

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Am I the only one that didn't feel bad for Viola for one minute? Tigre was sucking up to her big time, but only because his life depended on it. If Viola found out or even suspected that Tigre was only being nice to her to avoid being the target of a mob hit, why didn't she just call her Grandpa and ask him to forgive Tigre's debt? Then maybe she could *gasp* earn his affection through a gesture of kindness and forgiveness rather than take advantage of him!

Because if she knew he was insincere AND in mortal danger, but was relishing his attention too much to fix the situation, she was taking advantage of him far worse than he was her.

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Originally my third least favorite case, now it's my second least favorite.

When I saw the intro, I thought I had done something to get it so mad that it made me lose so quickly. Then when it showed someone putting poison in the cup, I thought that was Phoenix having been hypnotized or something. I hate this case for many reasons, in fact the only good things about this case are Lisa Basil, Furio Tigre's theme, Gumshoe/Maggey, some of the dialogue, and Mia using her SEDUCTION POWERS OF DEATH. IN A WAITRESS UNIFORM.

The absolute WORST part of this case was Jean Armstrong. No offense, but I prefer my ladyboys to be lean. And bustier. And without facial hair. When I played this case, I was taking my second year of French class. Because of this man/woman, I was completely put off anything French related. Indeed, I stopped trying in the middle of the second term and got a C in the class, then when taking my third year I was hopelessly behind and I'm still struggling today. I know it's more my fault than some fictional transvestite's, but blaming yourself is bad for your self-esteem.

I don't like Viola Cadaverini because one, she's creepy. Two, it's extremely difficult to imagine what her voice sounds like. And three, what Croik has said so far about her.

Victor Kudo was a nice source of laughs. The thing that makes him dislikable is his nose. Why the heck is it so swollen and red like that anyway? Is he some kinda clown or something? These questions always distract me when cross-examining him. He's also wrong about the Waitress oufits. Even from the back they don't look very revealing. Which means you CAN'T see up to their-their... It must be his ribbon fetish talking, the only way you could make those outfits any frillier is if Edgeworth were wearing one of those.

Furio Tigre was also a great bit of cheap entertainment. Like this entire case. As soon as he showed up, I immediately suspected him of being the killer. Then I just assumed how he carried out the murder correctly. For once.

The Gumshoe/Maggey thing was cute. Cute, but nothing more. I too felt that Maggey was overreacting a bit to Gumshoe doing his usual detective-ifying on the witness stand.

And now for the one side character I truly liked in this case: Lisa Basil. Just everything about her is awesome, it's hard to explain though. This time I noticed that the Eccentric theme plays for her but it's a little bit faster and begins differently than in Justice For All...

So yeah, did not like this case but it did manage to save itself a few times...

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Not at all Croik! We were just having a discussion in this topic about alternative ways to view Viola's character. I personally think it's completely plausible that Viola helped plan and orchestrate the whole murder to help Tigre get out of the sticky situation with her grandfather. She just manages to trick Phoenix and gets away with everything scot-free.

Anyway I love this case. The characters are fantastic and working out the convoluted tricks behind the confusion is just so much fun. The best part of course is the last day of trial when you take Tigre down bit by bit, one contradiction at a time.

Another pure bit of speculation I have as to why Tigre had this whole complex plan to kill Glen in the first place is that maybe he was planning to kill Glen regardless? Even if he'd gotten the CD, with Glen alive there was the possibility that he might pin the path of the virus on Tigre. Again there's nothing in the case itself to suggest this but it seems like a possibility.

But yeah, fun case and pretty much ties with 3-2 as my favorite from this game.

Oh noez, I'm almost out of time if I want to comment on every case thread for the countdown! (...While it's still the time period for the case, at least.)


Anyway, a good case, but not one of my favorites. Armstrong was T_T, Victor and Tigre were -_-, and Viola was >_>. I didn't think the music was particularly catchy. Although I did like seeing the relationship between Maggey and Gummy :3 I also liked actually using the Magatama as evidence (in Jean's psyche-lock) and thought the real/fake murder plot was good (and fit in nicely with the whole real/phony theme).



...There's also the fact that I know the awesomeness of the finale of the Phoenix arc is just around the corner, so.... yeah..

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Until I replayed this, I forgot how much it set up parts of 3-5.

I was wondering: What happens if you don't say that the bottle contains potassiumcyanide? Case 3 isn't in the GameFAQs Game Script, and I'm really curious!

Maya stops you from saying what you were going to say and the judge penalizes you for wasting time.

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