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Who gets paid?
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Lets take a look at our Cases and deduce when our attorneys got paid.
--Phoenix Wright--
1-1: Larry Butz - No - The guy is perpetually strapped for cash
1-2: Maya - No - Mediums also have no money
1-3: Will Powers - Yes
1-4: Edgeworth - Yes
1-5: Lana -Yes
2-1: Maggey - Yes? - She was reliably employed at this time, although I can't imagine she had much money.
2-2: Maya - No - See 1-2
2-3: Galatica - Unlikely? - Was paying off his Dad's fees.
2-4: Enguard - No - He lost the case, plus he's on the run.
3-2: Ron Delite - No - Desire sucks up money like a sundae.
3-3: Maggey - No - She is unemployed and was poorly paid while employed.
3-5: Iris - No - See 1-2
4-4: Zak - No - Zak is a jerk.
-- Mia Fey --
3-1: Phoenix Wright - No - He spends any money he does have on Dollie.
3-4: Terry Fawles - Yes - State Appointed Case
-- Apollo Justice --
4-1: Hobohodo - No - He effectively fired his own boss.
4-2: Wocky - Yes - Gang money of questionable origin. But money.
4-3: Machi - Yes - Smuggling money.
4-4: Vera - Yes - Counterfeit Art money.
-- Totals --
Letting everyone grasp at their own straws, the totals come to...
Phoenix: 5/13
Mia: 1/2
Apollo: 3/4
-- Conclusions --
With Phoenix, if he wasn't disbarred in 4-4, then I'm quite sure he'd be wearing his Hobo garb by Apollo Justice anyways. He's got the worst ratio of paying customers period.
Mia, she only had two cases, got paid for only one of them, and STILL did better then Phoneix.
Apollo is the most successful lawyer, although, he also has by far the most questionable sources of income.
Looking at this, I don't think Phoenix's claim that Defense Attorneys get paid less then Prosecutors hold any water. Or at least, he's the least qualified person to make that claim. Also, Apollo should be on the look out for auditors. I don't think any investigation into his income will let him keep it.
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nekonohime wrote:
I actually never thought about this... Now it makes me think how much money Phoenix actually has.
Or doesn't have for that matter.
Actually, when you look at it, Mia and Apollo would've had PERFECT scores, were it not for Phoenix! Phoenix is such a bad lawyer that he takes down the other defense attorneys down with him!
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Cravat of Doom wrote:
You see this, young law students? This is why you demand money upfront before you take a case.
My (educated) guess is Wright makes sufficient money on cases outside the criminal justice system; he probably gouges clients by the hour for menial paperwork. If so, we simply see "his most exciting moments," comprised of the few criminal homicide cases where he defended clients. Subsequently, he probably takes on the infamous Ace Attorney cases as pro bono work (which the firm could compensate him for out of its pocket, so long as it did not exceed a certain percentage of Phoenix's yearly workable hours.)
It's also worth noting that Phoenix Wright's "fame" (or infamy, depending on your perspective) after taking down some big names in those cases would have ensured Wright had a steady client base. The wealthiest clients always go for that kind of representation. Phoenix could even make a killing just being the famous lawyer who made subsequent media appearances as a legal consultant on networks like CNN or MSNBC.
The fact that Phoenix is basically left in charge of Mia's offices essentially ensures he's got plenty of financial liquidity to afford his criminal cases. (As the firm itself probably had plenty of cash around for Maya and/or Phoenix to inherit...and if Maya inherited it, it's clear she just passed Phoenix the baton.)
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Interesting statistics, and kind of proves what many of us figured out all along.
Love the bit about Phoenix being so bad that he drags other defense attorneys down with him. I'm sure the bar association and certain members of the prosecutors office would agree.
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Wooster wrote:
2-4: Enguard - No - He lost the case, plus he's on the run.
From JFA's script:
Mr. Edgeworth. How is Matt Engarde?
I have left Ms. von Karma in charge of his incarceration. I'm sure he's getting a full-course meal of whip leather right about now.This seems to suggest that he's been arrested and not on the run as you claim...
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If he does, he is not only the world's least successful attorney, he is also one of the only homeless lawyers this side of Jeff Winger on "Community."
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Also: he isn't, I don't know, rich from all the prizes and shows?
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It doesn't help too when he's constantly taking care of a gluttonous spirit medium. He's lucky he became a good poker player so to speak, otherwise how else could you explain all the redecorating of the office that he did between the third and fourth game.
Don't forget Trucy's income at the Wonder Bar. Phoenix probably does bring home cash, but Trucy does mention to Apollo that she considers herself to be Phoenix's sugar daddy.
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Hmm, either I got that facet mixed up, or it's dependent upon the Guilty/Not Guilty verdict you select. Regardless, Matt's not willing to pay.
Re: Galatica's Money
He mentions it about when his real name is revealed. He explains his family's situation with an analogy to having the world's latest video rental bill. Even Phoenix exclaimed that that didn't make sense. But in any case, Max's family is a giant hole in his pocket. His hole just happens to be at the same ratio as exorbitant fee.
But, since I saw doubt on if Max paid or not, I included him under the "Grasping at Straws" clause. If he didn't pay, like I suspect, then that would actually set Phoenix down to 4/13!
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I am of the opinion that Phoenix expanded his office to include 2 bedroom's (One for Pearl and Maya, the other for himself), 1 bathroom and kitchen for Gumshoe's epic ramen breakfast.
(PS. I've gotten much better handling my finances, and now the only money I get is enough for gasoline to my car.)
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1. According to the games, Phoenix has been shown to sleep in (if not live in) both his office and the Defendant's Lobby from time to time.
2. According to the manga (which is arguable whether it is canon or not), Maya and Pearl continue living at Kurain, with Maya taking the train as a commuter every day back and forth from the office. Since this detail does not contradict or affect anything in game canon, or even within the discontinuities of the manga itself, it is fairly safe to take this as canon as well.
3. Dick Gumshoe has offered to become a live-in maid to Phoenix in exchange for a place to stay. In describing his duties, he mainly mentions the office, and does not mention any house-related domestic duties.
4. Maya and Nick take extremely good care of the office's bathrooms, and are often seen scrubbing the toilet. If they merely leased rooms in an office building, it is more than likely that the building would have a cleaning crew. The fact that they maintain its bathroom indicates that Phoenix, if not Maya, lives on his futon in the Wright and Co. office.
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Also regarding Maya and the train to and from Kurain. Paying for a train ticket isn't cheap (as far as I know, I may be wrong). What if Phoenix paid for a year long express ticket? It'd be costly but think of the many times he's went back and forth to Kurain during 2-2. Makes sense wouldn't you say?
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darquegk wrote:
Facts:
1. According to the games, Phoenix has been shown to sleep in (if not live in) both his office and the Defendant's Lobby from time to time.
1. According to the games, Phoenix has been shown to sleep in (if not live in) both his office and the Defendant's Lobby from time to time.
This is inconclusive. I know many lawyers who have futons, couches, sleeping bags, or similar arrangements available to ensure they can rest in their office. It's fairly common for attorneys at small law firms to work excessive hours when saddled with cases, and when they do so, they generally spend the night.
(In fact, I know a couple of attorneys at high-ranking law firms who spend more nights in their office than at home some months...it's a very demanding lifestyle, indeed.)
We also know that Phoenix has a bicycle; he has to take it to and from somewhere.
We also know that Phoenix feels pity for Gumshoe when Gumshoe describes his impoverished lifestyle.
I'm certainly not saying that Phoenix is by any means wealthy, as the games establish that he's not. There's a huge difference between "poor" and "homeless," though. We don't see virtually anyone's houses in the world of Ace Attorney, but we wouldn't argue they were all homeless.
Unless lawyers in the world of Ace Attorney are considerably worse off than lawyers in the real world, then Phoenix wouldn't have any excuse to own an apartment; if he was truly homeless, there's plenty of other higher-paying jobs seeking qualified attorneys out there! Maybe I just want to feel better about my decision to go to law school due to inspiration from Ace Attorney... if I knew Phoenix was homeless, I wouldn't have held his lifestyle in such high regard!
EDIT: ...Don't forget, there's the matter of inheritance from Mia, too. After Mia's death in 1-2, I presume Phoenix and Maya would have inherited substantial assets (actually, Maya would have, but again, she'd probably hand over much of it to the man who saved her life, and we know she hands some of it over, as Phoenix effectively becomes sole partner at Mia's firm.) Assuming Mia Fey's firm was a limited liability partnership, after Diego was hospitalized and incapable of working, Mia would have likely assumed full control of the firm; once Phoenix inherits that, he has sizable assets that he can leverage to attain finances, if he's willing to go into debt.
And if Phoenix was homeless, where did he live before Mia kicked the bucket?
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Perseverance wrote:
darquegk wrote:
Facts:
1. According to the games, Phoenix has been shown to sleep in (if not live in) both his office and the Defendant's Lobby from time to time.
1. According to the games, Phoenix has been shown to sleep in (if not live in) both his office and the Defendant's Lobby from time to time.
This is inconclusive. I know many lawyers who have futons, couches, sleeping bags, or similar arrangements available to ensure they can rest in their office. It's fairly common for attorneys at small law firms to work excessive hours when saddled with cases, and when they do so, they generally spend the night.
(In fact, I know a couple of attorneys at high-ranking law firms who spend more nights in their office than at home some months...it's a very demanding lifestyle, indeed.)
We also know that Phoenix has a bicycle; he has to take it to and from somewhere.
We also know that Phoenix feels pity for Gumshoe when Gumshoe describes his impoverished lifestyle.
I'm certainly not saying that Phoenix is by any means wealthy, as the games establish that he's not. There's a huge difference between "poor" and "homeless," though. We don't see virtually anyone's houses in the world of Ace Attorney, but we wouldn't argue they were all homeless.
Unless lawyers in the world of Ace Attorney are considerably worse off than lawyers in the real world, then Phoenix wouldn't have any excuse to own an apartment; if he was truly homeless, there's plenty of other higher-paying jobs seeking qualified attorneys out there! Maybe I just want to feel better about my decision to go to law school due to inspiration from Ace Attorney... if I knew Phoenix was homeless, I wouldn't have held his lifestyle in such high regard!
EDIT: ...Don't forget, there's the matter of inheritance from Mia, too. After Mia's death in 1-2, I presume Phoenix and Maya would have inherited substantial assets (actually, Maya would have, but again, she'd probably hand over much of it to the man who saved her life, and we know she hands some of it over, as Phoenix effectively becomes sole partner at Mia's firm.) Assuming Mia Fey's firm was a limited liability partnership, after Diego was hospitalized and incapable of working, Mia would have likely assumed full control of the firm; once Phoenix inherits that, he has sizable assets that he can leverage to attain finances, if he's willing to go into debt.
And if Phoenix was homeless, where did he live before Mia kicked the bucket?
^ I really like your hypothesis there. Definately reasonable.
I'm thinking that before Phoenix moved in at the 'Fey and Co. Law Offices'. He lived in a van down by the river.
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darquegk wrote:
If he does, he is not only the world's least successful attorney, he is also one of the only homeless lawyers this side of Jeff Winger on "Community."
"Community" reference FTW. HAHA.
I think Phoenix can hold his own. I mean, at the end of the games, all the other characters turn to him for a free dinner. He's not as rich as Edgey, Franny or Klav but he has sufficient means to provide for Maya and Pearls to the sacrifice of his personal gain. He's almost as selfless as Gumshoe but the difference is he's pushed into being selfless.
Now, what about Godot? He only became a prosecutor to seek "revenge" on Phoenix (and in all those cases against him, he lost) but we're not really sure of his track record as a veteran defense attorney.
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Hmm, either I got that facet mixed up, or it's dependent upon the Guilty/Not Guilty verdict you select. Regardless, Matt's not willing to pay.
Hmm, either I got that facet mixed up, or it's dependent upon the Guilty/Not Guilty verdict you select. Regardless, Matt's not willing to pay.
Matt calls for a guilty verdict whatever you choose.
This means he's incarcerated, which means he wouldn't have a choice when it comes to paying Nick. If he WAS on the run, I would be more inclined to believe you...
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darquegk wrote:
On the subject of pay, does Phoenix have a house or living space of his own, or does he live in the office? It's been implied in the past that he has...
If he does, he is not only the world's least successful attorney, he is also one of the only homeless lawyers this side of Jeff Winger on "Community."
If he does, he is not only the world's least successful attorney, he is also one of the only homeless lawyers this side of Jeff Winger on "Community."
In 1-3, the second location is at Phoenix's apartment. Then Maya called him and he rushed down to the office.
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Oh, okay, thanks! God, that feels like so long ago. June 2010...
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