NO GK2 THOUGH *cries*. You saw the P-M cameo, right? (such as it was.)


Seriously, where else on this forum would we go? :)

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Zeon Twilight, your avatar always creeped me out. O_o"
But yeah, welcome back.

Icer, that picture is LOVELY. Obsuloutly lovely. And the marrying part is a perfect headcanon!

About Maya's picture in the locket, as cute as it is, I believe this locket is connected to Trucy.
But on a positive note, after they get married it can contain the picture of Maya AND Trucy! =D

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That picture is LOVELY Icer. I can really imagine Maya imagining that xD

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I made this with my daddy. (Yeah, he is a Narumayo shipper like me)
He drew Nick and Maya, and I colored it!
And that's why I love my dad su much.

Yeah, I saw the little Easter egg, though I'm fairly sure that the marry me bit is the fevered wishful thinking of us ^_^;;

It would have been nice if everybody didn't refer to Phoenix as if he didn't have a name, calling him "That man" every time he was mentioned was certainly a weird choice, especially out of characters like Larry.

Yeah, I don't really see why Capcom doesn't just translate it. Either do it, make money off the people that will buy the game, or don't translate it and accept the fact that the fans will, and you won't make anything off it.

Yeah, I suppose Pearly Von Karma is a bit creepy, and fairly memorable, though I should consider making a new Avvie sometime.

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Yeah, that and the interview I don't hold out much hope of Maya being/mentioned in GS5. We don't want spirit channelling/powers any more, so she's useless and all that.
Edgworth is bound to turn up though, because they're the GK writers. GK2 was supposedly hopeless in its Phoenix Avoidance in ways players found... stupid in terms of Edgeworth's characterisation. (Though not getting to play it myself can't say for sure...) There was a cameo for P-M in that too, no idea if a weird 'conversation' happened in front of it.

April 6 2019!
'disbarring' Apr 29 2019

I'm more interested in PL vs PW to be honest. I don't know why Level 5 International can't put me out of my misery and actually say there'll be an English version!

-I wonder if they'll bother trying to say 'when' it takes place? Phoenix sure has this big shiny attorney badge. But it could be 'after 3-5' or 'before 3-2' or 'just not say'.
-Why are they jetting off to London of all places? It seems like they're just going there, stumble on a case/client, have a trial in a mundane British courtroom and only later does the magical alternate reality manifest
-I hope it's not 'And then Phoenix woke up' :(


That must be amazing.
Congratulate him on his impeccable taste

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Aww, I'll tell him! Thanks!

Hey but, I was wondering. This --- > EDIT: TGS DVD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEWd0xiivlE
The dude says "I c-can't talk about that yet! I absolutely can't. "", so... there's still hope that Maya will be in the game?
I don't know, but I'm gonna cry if Maya will not be in GS5. She was so important for Phoenix, and now seems he doesn't care at all or he only cares about his little Trucy. Just an impression.

Sorry guys but I think he means Edgeworth and Apollo (and Kay, Ema?, insert random characters here...). Maya is the only character for which there's been outright denial/suggestions of 'where' she 'might' be instead. (Read: We couldn't be bothered') Of course it's possible they are concealing a Wonderful Surprise but I wouldn't be getting your hopes up, you'll be disappointed more later!

The phone conversation? My money's on Edgeworth or Apollo. These are the GK writers, so Edgeworth WILL be in. Yeah, I WOULD bet money on Edgeworth making a more-than-minor appearance!

But if we're reallly lucky he's sent 'his little Trucy' to hide out in Kurain while he pursues The Bad Guy. Why the Bad Guy is after Trucy is difficult to comprehend though, (they can't be after the magic rights!) so I'm not sure about that fan 'theory'. I think it's more likely Trucy and Apollo just fled the country so Apollo doesn't get blown up or whatever's happening. They're probably with Edgey (who will turn up later.)

IF Maya is not in the game it's nothing but laziness and terrible writing though, obviously. And I wanted to see a 3d psyche locks sequence *sob* I mean come on, forget Maya, it's inexplicable anyone would throw out something like the magatama. I wish I had one!

They should have a kind of payback time with Master Maya imploding the universe, Ema passing the Science Bar Exam and doing something amazing, Edgeworth being Ultra High Prosecutor etc. in a final battle where every main from Phoenix's games he saved come back to avenge....

okay it will never happen...

I think we're more likely to see Pearl again than Maya actually. Simply because they can 'use their imagination' more and even claim she quit spirit mediuming/has another hobby. I get this idea they don't like doing the supernatural stuff these days (and can't wrap their head around the fact Maya might be able to be in the game without it!). These 'assistants' are only there for their magic hobbies. Witness Ema's dumb short cameo in AAI - she gave Edgey some litmus test or whatever sciencey thing it was and left. The new thing seems to have obseleted both Magatama and Perceive with a strange ghostmagic-less fusion. (And Kokone also is a lawyer, obsoleting Apollo as well, what a prodigy!)

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Exactly.
Well, it's obvious that Edgeworth returns in GS5. And I bet that he's the guy at the end of the trailer. But I still don't understand why they constantly avoid Maya. Ok, her history is, in theory, over. But it bothers me that Nick seems doesn't remember her. He treats her like a stranger, a piece of his past, a story ended. They replaced her first with Trucy, and now with this yellow girl, Kokone. What they have against the Fey's? They are the only ones who did not appear in the games (AAI, AII2, and now GS5), and this pisses me off.
I hope at least that they make a little cameo of her.
Although it obviously will not happen.

Well, she did get a mention in AJ if I recall, a couple even.

AAI she and Phoenix were in that boat on the background, of course, it's a visual cameo only, but it's more than most of the game allowed them.

As for Maya showing up in PW5, don't know. If they are smart, then they are keeping her out of the trailers to troll the fans and are going to drop her in on us in the middle of the game. Supposing we get the game of course, seems like Capcom's favorite pastime to wave these things in our face and then say, "Oh, but it's not for YOU."

We'll really just have to see, if they are teasing the fans, they are clever, if they are really not going to have her in the game, that's disappointing.

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She got mentioned, but just as an "old friend" or a "person" or something like this, which is just ridiculous if you think about GS1-3. Although I thought the backgroundcameo was cute in GK 1.

I don't know, it didn't bother me that much that both, Phoenix and Maya, weren't in GK 1 & 2 (didn't play 2, just assuming here ;D), I see it more as Edgeys game. It would have been nice, surely, and added something to it, but it was okay without it too. And the little backgroundthing was a cute surprise.

It's just sad that they will probably bring random characters back, the only one they're avoiding is Maya, although Maya is the only one they really SHOULD bring back if you look at the story. And Edgeworth, maybe, but there are always different prosecutors, so they could get through without him.
But I guess their excuse for her being away is just too good, they can always let her disappear to Kurain.



This would turn out the way Ema turned out. From cute little girl with hopes and dreams to angry, selfish, sarcastic and just out of character. I really hope they don't bring Pearls back, and even if they do, she has to bring Maya with her.

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Well, the Cameo thing didn't bother me, I didn't mind that they weren't really in Edgeworth's game much, that makes sense as it's his game after all. I'm more referring to just the fact it comes across as weird that when he is mentioned, it's "That man" or "The guy in the suit." From a couple of his friends. Just an oddity that came across as forced.

I doubt they would wreck Pearls, that would be a bit unbelievable. Not to say she might not change as she gets older, but more I don't think it would be very in character for her to become sarcastic or depressed.

I'm sure Maya will be back eventually, and when she does reappear, we shall rejoice!

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I mean, that's what you can expect from these writers in general as a 'policy' on 'characters we aren't spotlighting'....



Yeah, Pearl should have been the prosecutor. She can return to slap Phoenix unconcious :)


I think they thought of that as PL vs PW. Maya stopped existing in any meaningful fashion after the Magic Reset Button on Apr 29 2019, and we have no evidence they've ditched that 'policy' (and evidence to suggest they haven't.)
But we can hope for a Miracle.

I never saw Maya again.
The miracle never happen
Maybe it was never meant to.
Because a miracle.. is something that doesn't exist.

THE END.


Don't you love how the nightmare endgame is them BREAKING UP? It's the end of the world/series.
It's beautiful in a way.



*sigh* so they rub in our faces for 3 games the spectacular odds and risks they overcome for each other just to, you know, still be together, then they think they can suddenly hit reset and evaporate? *sigh*
Same argument applies to Edgeworth but to a far lesser degree.


agreed x99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

Put it this way: you can always pretend the BAD End of GS4 happened instead. The player-jurist chooses and all DEMOCRACY!
Of course you have to delete Vera from your fanfics...
But Phoenix was already proved innocent of the forgery, and Kristoph's already had his breakdown and still put away for one murder. And Apollo would get over it, no worse than Mia's 3-4.
Phoenix would feel horribly guilty, so he could go hide out in Kurain for a while...

I don't know why Vera dies in the bad end but wakes up in the 'good', it's illogical the verdict would change her health. So I guess Kristoph really did have a Devil Mark Curse on her.

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I Love that part so much. The whole case shows how deeply Maya and Nick feel for each other, and this is one of my favorite P/M parts. It's almost as good as the one where he wants to run over the burning bridge x3

Oh, and I agree, obviously scenes like this one just underline how Out of Character it is for Maya not to be there.

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So what's this Magic reset button you're talking about? I've been out of the loop for awhile, could you catch a fella up?

Yeah, I know how they tend to do the characters that are just getting referenced, but that doesn't mean it comes across as any less awkward. Edgy, you know Wright's name. Use it.

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GS4 Is a New Story! Maya's Story Ended In GS3, So We Never Have To See Her Again and she 'isn't relevant to the plot', so is never named, never turns up, has no meaningful effect etc. on anything dated from Apr 29 2019 onward. GK1 and 2 were squished in before the Magic Reset Date. P-M appear together (PL vs PW, UMvC) but only in their pre Apr 29 2019 mode.

And there's art like this:
http://www.court-records.net/arts/orchestral%20cd.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4414/12012901.jpg

Same for Edgeworth et al. (GK writers will finally end the reset button on Edgey though, 99% sure. Maya? Um, pray to Ami?)

I'm wondering if PW vs PL will have much plot directly involving our characters (Maya gets accused of being a witch?) or if it's more... not. (Filler case.) I'm thinking the 2nd.

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That second one. HOT.

I might have found my new avatar.

Yeah, but GS5 isn't a new story. It's coming back to the origins and digging up the deepest corners of the AA world. As much as I am longing to new characters, I really want to see some people coming back. Some sort of combination between PW and AJ and new stuff. Ema working with Gumshoe will be a PRICELESS thing.

I find it hard to believe that Maya will come back that easy though. She was the sidekick in GS1-3, so her comeback must be big and surprising, or so I think the creatores think. I myself would love to see her coming one day to the office saying "Oh Nick, I'm hungry, let's go for burgers."

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So the courthouse apparently gets bombed. Is this the writers' way of symbolically wiping the slate clean? Whatever. In my mind, whoever is writing the new script has to give closure for the seven year gap, and no amount of destroyed civil infrastructure can be proxy to that fact.

I say this because, really, what else can you do with Phoenix? Unless GS5 is going the way of the uncompelling GK script (which it may, sadly), they have to draw ideas from things left unexplained in the previous installment ie. the seven year gap.

Anything after April 29, 2019 in regards to old characters has been so carefully avoided all this time, like we're all supposed to forget about what all these people meant to Nick. It was semi-sorta-not-really-excusable to do this for Maya and Edgeworth back then because, well, "for the good of the new plot".

But now what? GS5 is happening, it's semi-sorta-not-really-excusable no longer! Edgeworth, at least, is in, so at least we'll hear from him. The writers know we want to hear this: GS5's main character would have been Apollo otherwise. But what irks me is how Maya's character, Phoenix and Maya's relationship, has been so undervalued that we are expected to just forget about her.

So if they treat her like they did in GS4, it would strike me as a great disrespect towards not only Maya fans, but also the old writers who created her in the first place.

Oh and don't get me started on that "I got it [the magatama] in a certain case" thing. Totally bogus, MASON system or not.


*Imagines Maya bursting through the office door triumphantly (like Franziska in 2-4 or Gumshoe in 3-3) and saying that*
*Smiles*
Honestly, if they leave Maya out of GS5, but make that the final scene before the end credits, it wouldn't be a bad thing. Hahaha. Not likely to happen though.

I actually think a lot of the motive was 'explaining' why the new 3Ds court looks utterly nothing like GS4....

I think this (Kokone the Rookie Lawyer) means Apollo is no longer the apprentice lawyer at Wright Agency though....

After all that time, I think Maya deserves a more spectacular scene. Where she dramatically bails Phoenix out.
The there's a cutscene where they confess their love and die in each others arms

the end.

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That would be nice indeed, sans the dying part.

But then they could never be parted again!
Thinking about it, the 'happy ending' of Game 2 AND 3 was them miraculously getting to be together, having overcome the horrific obstacles.... And game 1 Maya is 'coming back'.

I wonder how many of these days' writers didn't present the bullet?

I admit what's supposed to happen is they 'fall into each others arms' in the scene which won't really be written in the game. Imagine! Come on, they'd do that, even if it was 'cousins' *cough*

If only the PW123HD had been a real remake with all the animated cutscenes and garbage :( As it is we have to use our imagination for practically everything. And nobody ripped the best pictures

I still love this one

Maya:
You know what this means?
We're partners!
*sobs*

Speaking of, this is the saddest picture ever

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Speaking of which, that new assistant is a lawyer already, no?
She'll need to do her own case sooner or later, hopefully in the game.
So she'll need a sidekick.
A cheery sidekick with a passion for burgers or magic or The Steel Samurai.
I don't want her reutrn to be all glorious at all. Maybe as an assistant.
If she will do it so spectacular, I want it to be in court. Shouting "Objection!" in a case when Nick\ the new girl are in trouble. Maybe in a case regarding Kurain.

And that HD. Oh my god. This is heartbreaking.

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As a sidekick for the new assistant? I think that'd be terrible. I mean, Maya is older than that new girl, she's around 26 now (whoah. I just realized that) and way too old to assist an 18 year old girl.
At least I think it'd be.. weird. It's okay for Mia and Phoenix, because she was a real lawyer helping Nick in his first cases to start an actual career, but Maya is just a medium without any knowledge of law.
She has to come back for personal reasons, which means Phoenix.

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Sorry, she is the cheery sidekick :/

However, she seems to be as much an Apollo replacement as a Maya replacement. I think they just forgot Maya entirely (they're building on GS4 - she doesn't exist remember?) . Then they said 'hey, there's already a rookie lawyer subordinate at Wright Agency.'

boots Apollo, replaces with magic teen girl like every game ever. Phoenix's harem of magic power teen girls (which only happened from 1-5 onward. even Edgeworth gets them. Imagine if someone WITHOUT a magic in training power turned up for once?)

If you mean Kokone will play a trial as Kokone when Phoenix is taken out, it's possible I guess. But I want Maya's cameos to be time with Phoenix :( But anything is better than her not being there at all, anything! Even her dying or something. At least she exists....

I wish Maya had been the prosecutor. That would end up every level of P/M.

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There is the nifty thought going around that Apollo could be the new prosecutor, doubtful, yes. But I enjoy the idea of him getting angry at Phoenix for being sneaky and having a face/heal turn for it.

In regards to Maya, wasn't it Maya who sent Phoenix a whole ton of Steel Samurai to watch in the hospital? I just kinda refuse to believe they are just cutting her out of the story entirely. Of course, nothing would surprise me with Capcom.

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Fanart time!

Autumn it's a perfect season to date your special someone, don't you think?

It's lovely



Yeah but that's an easter egg not part of the main plot. Maya's name never gets mentioned. Wouldn't surprise me if the current writers missed the reference altogether in their GS4 playthroughs. Some people used to try to claim it wasn't a Maya reference till the Takumi interview proving it was was translated.
I think if Takumi had been writing this game we'd have seen Maya being BFF with Phoenix (even if not as The Assistant) now the GS4 Depressive Plot is over, but, well, he isn't.

I'll quote the Ace Attorney Wiki



Since capefeather is the type of person who likes to think his wiki is totally objective, rather than hype/paranoia, well, um. I wouldn't be getting excited. 'She's Just Not There Okay?'

The one thing in our favour is SOME kind of 3D court models have been made for her for PL vs PW and GS5 is very clearly building on the same basic game engine thing for court. The PL models look way rougher and she hasn't aged a day, but some minor proportional adjustments can't be that hard.... which is quicker than them starting from scratch. They might reach for them in favour of, um Mike Meekins again when they decide to make some dumb minor cameos late in production. Changing her hairstyle and clothes around a bit can help age her up pretty well... they'd keep that topknot thing though. But it still requires a lot of work :(

Oh, here's a nice 20-page comic:
http://sakudrew.deviantart.com/art/Phoe ... -279937418

And this one!
http://tegaki.pipa.jp/95814/22692621.html

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Maya was Nick'a assistant too, without any knowledge whatsoever about law. I know that the fact that she's older is a bit weird but I think it'll reach a closure- She started as an assistant and came back BECAUSE of personal reasons(not to help Branch Hair, but for Nick, but he wasn't there, so she took the role) and helps the protagonist again.

Lichatte, autumn is a great season to spend time with your special someone. I can totally see Maya and Nick holding hands and walking in a street, Maya jumping on fallen leaves to hear the CRUMP sound.

Icer, that comics was so sweet! And well drawn.

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With the hand drawn cutscenes, it makes it even easier for her to have a cameo. Have her at the big celebration for Nick getting his badge back in the beginning, have her say she's bogged down in Kurain but will be back soon, big ol' hug, and they're done.

Even if she's not going to be a big part of the story, all it requires is 30 seconds worth of thought to make a passable explanation.

Oh we all know that, there are a billion simplistic ways it could be achieved. The matter is them bothering to, or drawing an older character model.

Even GS4 could have made a semi-plausible continuity just by modifying a few lines of dialogue!

When do they get the idea that since this is '5' even 'new players' can wrap their head around the fact Phoenix has relations from past games, ones thrown down everyone's throat in a movie, PL vs PW, 123HD, UMvC...? That don't just dissolve once the 'Fey Plot is over'? But it's like the succession of new producers only care about THEIR characters. Hence we get Ema being friendly to Phoenix in GS4 to show continuity with 1-5, Matsukawa's other baby, and idiot cameos like Meekins. (And I expect a glorious Edgeworth return in this one, by virtue of GK far more than GS1-3 continuity). We can't be 100% sure with this lot, but I fear they think of the entire 'Fey Plot' and anything connected as 'Takumi's Domain' and leave well alone. Phoenix was included in that in GK/2 obviously, but now they've been officially handed 'Phoenix' doesn't mean they don't continue it for everything else (Ghosts, Magatamas, Spirit Powers, Kurain. Mia and, inexplicably Maya (and Pearl of course, but I can stomach not seeing her). The fact Maya can be seen as Phoenix's friend without all the Fey Ghost channelling stuff having to be a plot is perhaps not considered. (Wright Agency has a spirit medium as well as lawyers and a magician?...okay nobody would take it seriously. But I'd never hire a lawyer from a magic agency either....)

hmm read this I read on Youtube:

THE MAGATAMA IS NOT GONNA BE USED IN TEH GAME?
[person1] 6 days ago 2
Either the spiritual power finally ran out or he will only use it during investigations or decided not to use it. The new item introduced is the Heart Scope/Kokoro Suko-pu which will probably be used either only in court or during investigations as well.
[personwhoishoudlntpubliclyshame] in reply to [person1] 4 days ago

WHAAAT? How do people rationalise these things?
If the spiritual power 'ran out' that contradicts the 'fact' Maya is stuck in Kurain training 24/7/365 for 8 years, because then she'd naturally recharge it (or Pearl?)
And why would you 'decide not to use' something like THAT?
In a game about finding contradictions why do people swallow such plotholes? Because you can bet the 'reason' will never be mentioned at all.

Of course we have no confirmation magatama won't reappear, but I wouldn't count on it, (it's more work to implement and they'll think we don't 'need it' with the heart scope) and if it doesn't the reasoning will be simply ignored I bet. I don't know if heart scope works out of court but I can't see why not. In fact why couldn't Apollo use his bracelet out of court anyway? We can only hope the writers noticed its presence in GS4 and that it would be too much of a plothole....

I doubt they'll show this lovely party, (unless someone threw a bomb into it) as the beginning of the game is supposed to be horrible suspense. (Of course, I wish they DID make the 1st/2nd case have that...) Phoenix returning to law is probably something to do with Kokone. It's probably a bit like 1-5...

But more likely he turned up to the local Trainee Psychotherapist for his grape juice addiction and Maya-less Depression, and she psycho-analysed him and the leaked MASON video with her heart scope and prescribed Becoming A Lawyer Again.


But none of that will happen, the psychotherapy will be a superfluous gimmick. After all, she used to be an alien before this.

This is what this person thought is supposed to happen in GS5, I totally agree. *scene to die for*

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If Maya does have an important part in GS5, I would be really happy but knowing she's in PL vs PW game as well makes me excited to see how they interpret Maya and Phoenix in there.

Ahh, Maya's absence in GS5 really wouldn't make any sense. Kinda makes it seem like GS1-3 didn't happen as she is a big part of Phoenix's story and they can't just ignore that.

Here's something. This was for / day: http://thesylverblue.deviantart.com/art ... -330603228

Isn't it beautiful. Happy P/M Day! ...again.

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http://i48.tinypic.com/drdx1u.jpg
I can't believe how no one posted it yet. It's so adorable.

Edit: Post 5555 in this topic!

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Oh hey everyone! How's it going round here? Flicking through the thread's giving me memories of epic P/M feelings, but all this GS5 crap makes me sad, as I think now it's pretty much a given the series sacrificed emotional consistency and its character-driven plot aspects back with AJ. :(
I'm currently living and breathing the TV show Supernatural, and in comparison with this I'm seeing how story-dedicated media is so much easier to get a return from your emotional investment (not that this is a new concept to me, I'm comparing my first and current fandoms). The games that get good writers like Takumi are just lucky, I guess? But I have really good memories from these games and this fandom. I just wish canon would stop dicking around and tell a good story again ~single perfect tear~

Anyway, how is the fandom, dead or alive? Anyone think more AA gameplay is at least worth the storyline crap?

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Hey, regardless of GS5, there's about to be the PW vs PL. (Assuming it ever comes here.)
If we're really lucky it'll be contradictory to GS4 being possible though I don't count on it. I keep getting excited, then remember that's the JP release date.

Did you mean the GS Fandom or the P/M Fandom?

Um, I justify GS5's existence by the fact the world doesn't have to be depressed by some 'official' designation Phoenix 'ended' as a disbarred, ambiguously-'corrupted' hobo.(And so does the marketing department, as it's just shooting the franchise in the foot. Or more like the HEAD. )

But I really think Takumi thought of GS4 as a 'narrative continuity reboot/reset/whatever'
but it wasn't marketed it that way, partly because game franchises aren't familiar with not all computer games being an automatic narrative reboot every game. You know like Mario just occurs all the time like a brand? But exact continuity is vague?
As for the production, narrative/plot continuity goes like this:
GS1-2-3 (GBA)
(reboot to essential brand/icon/'broad strokes')
1-5-> 4 (DS) Like that one GS4 commercial where the chronology of past GS games goes by in a gallery and 1-5 is elevated to a whole GAME AFTER GS3.

From a development perspective it makes sense, from a narrative none because ostensibly 1-5 'happened' between games 1 and 2 as a 'sidequest' and only later was decided to be more separate when they decided that GS4 would be built on it.

But most of Phoenix's sense of character happened because of his pre-existing and during-plot actions and mutual 'obligations' towards the main NPCs aka Edgeworth, Maya (Larry? Mia? Etc.) as this is most of his in-world 'autonomous' motivational triggers for practically, um, everything.

I can give a long involved justification about why various factors in the original trilogy (vs GS4, and for that matter, AAI) were just good narrative/character design which was increased by the interactive nature of the game (it's not a visual novel! arguably it would be less effective if it had been) but I don't have time now.

Of course precisely what the GS5 writers think they're NOW doing on the 'continuity' front we just don't know.

But GS1-3 worked because it was well designed and plotted not because there's anything that wonderful about repeating the same old cliches with superficial variations. Because the forumlas themselves weren't what was good. So Kokone had better not be pursuing the psychological empire of her absent parent and she'd better not have a sibling who's a lawyer/prosecutor. Ever notice we (and Phoenix) meet Maya IN THE GAME (as a 'murderer' no less) and the trust and relationship and bonds build DURING OUR GAMEPLAY (not to mention Maya is by extension helping US out with the game) but with the others it's all we're TOLD 'Here, Phoenix adopted Trucy in the Past. So Like Her'. Kay suddenly turns up. 'Oh I met her IN The Past' we never knew about! Ema, well there wasn't time, it was a case-of-the-day. Kokone, well if the demo becomes 5-1, looks suspiciously like a she's Just There And I Met Her in The Past We Show in Case X. The other thing is pre-existing 'obligations'. Phoenix is already yelping about his pre-existing missions to help Edgeworth and Larry the second we see him, based on backstory alluded to even before it's detailed. It gives him a sense of autonomous character. Apollo? Ummmmmm....

As for GS5 see this article:
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/10/21/ac ... -attorney/

"Finally, the subject of returning characters is brought up. These were carefully selected by Eshiro, who says he considered characters that were not only very popular but also those who would fit into the story of Ace Attorney 5 without feeling awkward or forced.
Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2012/10/21/ac ... xYGohmD.99 "

Everyone in the comments starts going maya maya maya maya. But I bet that's not what Eshiro meant.

'who would fit into the story of Ace Attorney 5 without feeling awkward or forced'

aka oh no why would we want a 'spirit medium' turning up, here have Mike Meekins again

People who will fit with the PLOT not with the CHARACTERISATION or CONTINUITY.
What's Maya 'for'? oh to channel Mia, oh we don't want that.
What's Mike Meekins 'For'? To be such a failure a 'crime' can happen under his nose.

But live in hope?

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It would be more forced to keep Maya out than to put her in. She's Phoenix's best friend and even after those seven years we know they're still together in some capacity. That stack of Samurai DVDs is proof of that. It's not hard to imagine the game progressing as usual when she just wanders through the office door when you're mid-conversation with Kokone, plops down on the couch, and starts eating whatever Phoenix had left out on the coffee table.

I'm not going to needlessly get my hopes up, but there are two ways to interpret the "oh, she's just off training or something" comment. The first is obviously, "I don't care enough to give it thought so I'll just say this." The other is, "We aren't prepared to unveil Maya's role in the game yet and so I have to make something up on the spot." Unfortunately, the latter is usually met with, "I can't talk about that" and if she did have a big part, he'd probably remember that she's Master of Kurain and not training any more.

My biggest worry for GS5 is that they went with Phoenix over Apollo because of fan outcry but didn't understand the reason behind the cries. Just Phoenix isn't Ace Attorney. Ace Attorney is the world built in the original trilogy and all the relationships it entails.

Yeah, I fear the same.
Phoenix 'reset' and Apollo down the memory hole just annoys everyone. PHOENIX IS NOT AN AVATAR YOU CAN RESET EVERY GAME!

What's this about PL vs PW? Maybe that's why he was so fundamentally out of character for the flashback trial. His brain turned to mush during 5 years of bread making in an alternate timeflow... then a court nothing like normal...
We just have to find out whether they're 5 years of false memories, or if he really spent 5 years of time there....
Of course upon return I'm sure no time has passed at all in his real world....

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I wish to join the club! Even though I think I only made it to page 60 when I was reading all the posts. ^^;

I can't believe this topic has been alive since 2008.

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