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Re: Phoenix and Maya Fan Club
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Emiko Gale wrote:
I wish to join the club! Even though I think I only made it to page 60 when I was reading all the posts. ^^;
I can't believe this topic has been alive since 2008.
I can't believe this topic has been alive since 2008.
Welcome to the club!
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icer wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
I wish to join the club! Even though I think I only made it to page 60 when I was reading all the posts. ^^;
I can't believe this topic has been alive since 2008.
I can't believe this topic has been alive since 2008.
Welcome to the club!
Grazie Mille! :D
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Well, ehm... I have come back again.
I would like to tell you some things that I hope you like:
A member of our Phoenix/Maya's club in spanish has translated some fanfics written by some of you. So, I want to let you know about it.
Here:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8758362/1/Amor-Incomodo -> Love's Awkward by Purple Handprint
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8752453/1/Hambre -> Hungry by Justis76
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8752289/1/Gatewater-Mar-26-2017 -> Gatewater Mar 26, 2017 by Icer01
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8741716/1/Caso-de-la-Regresi%C3%B3n -> Turnabout Regression by Icer01
Your names are in the fanfics. He hasn't stolen them xDDD We have done it only for fun. We like your fanfics a lot!
I hope you like it
Sorry for my poor english as usual
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Emiko Gale wrote:
I wonder if it's too late to make a contribution to this fan club...
Spoiler: 2-4
Never too late!
Mirii-chan wrote:
I'd like to join! I love the Phoenix and Maya pairing. Usually I'm not much into romance but I think they're sooo sweet together. When my art gets better, I'll be sure to upload some cute fanart!
Welcome to the club!
Roxy27 wrote:
Hello, guys.
Well, ehm... I have come back again.
I would like to tell you some things that I hope you like:
A member of our Phoenix/Maya's club in spanish has translated some fanfics written by some of you.
Well, ehm... I have come back again.
I would like to tell you some things that I hope you like:
A member of our Phoenix/Maya's club in spanish has translated some fanfics written by some of you.
They've got to be good translations, when you put them back through Google Translate to English they pretty much make sense!
PW vs PL is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bet there's some friend-shipping moments at least :P
Hmmm.
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Smithee wrote:
Count me in too.
EXCELLENT!
This is a great day for humanity.
<-confettiHmm, yeah, how long will we have to wait for this?:
http://contradictory-puzzles.tumblr.com ... ane-at-the
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The Phoenix/Maya shippers are going to go insane at the end of PLvsAA chapter 4.
That is all.
That is all.
Never gives us the gory details :(
I mean how the characters' actual behaviour is 'shippy', if it is.
There's a spoiler on the 'incident'
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Yay! More Phoenix/Maya action in PL vs. PW. :3
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Emiko Gale wrote:
:O
Yay! More Phoenix/Maya action in PL vs. PW. :3
Yay! More Phoenix/Maya action in PL vs. PW. :3
It's been updated with more (and pics) on this... 'incident'
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
You can scroll the pics (especially the bottom) without reading the text to not spoil the exact plot while still getting some dramatic P-M action.
Without knowledge of specific, um dialogue, I would class this as friend-shipping material though, but we will see :P
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icer wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
:O
Yay! More Phoenix/Maya action in PL vs. PW. :3
Yay! More Phoenix/Maya action in PL vs. PW. :3
It's been updated with more (and pics) on this... 'incident'
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
You can scroll the pics (especially the bottom) without reading the text to not spoil the exact plot while still getting some dramatic P-M action.
Without knowledge of specific, um dialogue, I would class this as friend-shipping material though, but we will see :P
My feels!
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Emiko Gale wrote:
icer wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
:O
Yay! More Phoenix/Maya action in PL vs. PW. :3
Yay! More Phoenix/Maya action in PL vs. PW. :3
It's been updated with more (and pics) on this... 'incident'
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
You can scroll the pics (especially the bottom) without reading the text to not spoil the exact plot while still getting some dramatic P-M action.
Without knowledge of specific, um dialogue, I would class this as friend-shipping material though, but we will see :P
My feels!While we wait the eternity till sanity prevails and we can play that thing, we should get some conversation restarted here? Perhaps our new members can tell us their favourite P/M moments and how they were converted to this wonderous pairing. Um, if they want to, of course.
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icer wrote:
While we wait the eternity till sanity prevails and we can play that thing, we should get some conversation restarted here? Perhaps our new members can tell us their favourite P/M moments and how they were converted to this wonderous pairing. Um, if they want to, of course.
Hey guys! I ended up registering to show my love for the pair as well ^^
I figured in the first game that P/M was going to be canon somehow, but never really supported them as a romantic pairing. During and after 2-4 though, just, BAM! FEELS. I needed them to be together ! Although, I admittedly could not read a lot of overly fluffy fics for them without cringing, just because of the age difference and considering Maya was only still 18 in JFA. Anyway, my quest to be fully converted eventually worked! haha (fanfics and fanart are the ones that really convert me to a pairing)
I like the pairing best during and after AJ:AA era though. I wish there were more fics/fanart of these two in that timeline!Hm, as for favourite P/M moments, obviously I love them all. Their banter is just really adorable and 2-4 and 3-5 are obvious favourites
I'll attempt to contribute something to the pairing during winter break!
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Spoiler: 1-2
Anyways, as I kept on playing the game I adored Maya and I went on the internet at one point to see if there were any Phoenix/Mia fanarts, but I ended up finding Phoenix/Maya fanarts. At first I wasn't too intriguied at the thought of those two being romantic with eachother, but after reading some Phoenix/Maya fanfictions I became hooked. (Now, that I think about it, it's kind of weird of me becoming a fan of this couple because of fanfictions. :/ )
And my love for this shipping increased during case 2-4 with Phoenix considering Maya the one most precious to him and Maya's feelings towards Phoenix during that case. And I'm not sure if this is a hint of romantic feelings but i remember Phoenix wanting to gossip with Maya about Detective Gumshoe's crush on Maggey. x3 (I also love Gumshoe/Maggey)
And let's not forget that hilarious moment when Pearly thought Phoenix was Maya's "special someone." XD
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Although, I admittedly could not read a lot of overly fluffy fics for them without cringing, just because of the
age difference and considering Maya was only still 18 in JFA.
age difference and considering Maya was only still 18 in JFA.
Age is but a number when it comes to love, and a person in their twenties dating an 18 year old isn't considered pedophilia.
This is the reason why I DON'T consider Phoenix and Maya's relationship as a sibbling relationship, for me it's more of a close friend relationship that could possibly lead to romance.
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Emiko Gale wrote:
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Although, I admittedly could not read a lot of overly fluffy fics for them without cringing, just because of the
age difference and considering Maya was only still 18 in JFA.
age difference and considering Maya was only still 18 in JFA.
Age is but a number when it comes to love, and a person in their twenties dating an 18 year old isn't considered pedophilia.
This is the reason why I DON'T consider Phoenix and Maya's relationship as a sibbling relationship, for me it's more of a close friend relationship that could possibly lead to romance.
Yes I don't necessarily consider it pedophilia either but, subconsciously, I sort of did, I guess, because she just looked too much like a teenager? Her sprite never changed and she's drawn like she's 16..heh, that's just me though
Nothing wrong with being short obviously seeing as how I'm her age and below her height ^^; and I agree
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entitq wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
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Although, I admittedly could not read a lot of overly fluffy fics for them without cringing, just because of the
age difference and considering Maya was only still 18 in JFA.
age difference and considering Maya was only still 18 in JFA.
Age is but a number when it comes to love, and a person in their twenties dating an 18 year old isn't considered pedophilia.
This is the reason why I DON'T consider Phoenix and Maya's relationship as a sibbling relationship, for me it's more of a close friend relationship that could possibly lead to romance.
Yes I don't necessarily consider it pedophilia either but, subconsciously, I sort of did, I guess, because she just looked too much like a teenager? Her sprite never changed and she's drawn like she's 16..heh, that's just me though
Nothing wrong with being short obviously seeing as how I'm her age and below her height ^^; and I agree I'm 18, everyone thinks I'm 14 or 15. ^^; And I got some of Maya's personality in me, but maybe because I am a child at heart.
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Unrelatedly, that really makes me wish we got something more coherent on Franziska, who's the same age and a completely different person, yet all the game had to offer was stuff based on the 'tsundere' cliche.
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Hikari wrote:
I think the age issue in P/M is really interesting. There's imbalances of power in their relationship, mostly biased towards Nick (though this of course changes as they develop into partners and equals and she becomes better at using her powers and skills to solve cases) the seven-years-difference thing being one of them, and I love it when they get acknowledged in fic and stuff. Like, in the first game, she's only 17 while he's 24. (I personally feel iffy shipping them at this point because she'd still be in high school if she wasn't a medium.) Anyway, I can really imagine her constantly feeling inadequate and childlike next to her big sister's protege and wondering if she'll ever be taken seriously and having self esteem issues about her channelling skills and whether she's important or useful to Nick at all...and so it's really wonderful how as she gets older and more used to dealing with cases, she grows into her strength and talents and we get confirmation over and over that yes, Nick does need her, and she has plenty of worth on her own.
Unrelatedly, that really makes me wish we got something more coherent on Franziska, who's the same age and a completely different person, yet all the game had to offer was stuff based on the 'tsundere' cliche.
Unrelatedly, that really makes me wish we got something more coherent on Franziska, who's the same age and a completely different person, yet all the game had to offer was stuff based on the 'tsundere' cliche.
This^ Even the part with Franziska because I liked her, I'd rather of had her in the prosecutor's bench rather than Godot.
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"No. Men should die for lies. But the truth is too precious to die for."
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Spoiler:
Hope you all don't mind a new guy joining and sharing how he came to love this pairing. I had played the first Ace Attorney game and I was browsing around the web when I somehow came across the evidence list by Icer. I'm not sure why but I was touched. Now mind you, I never considered myself a shipper of anything before P/M, I always thought that it was this odd thing fanbases do just because. However, this one really stuck out to me and I've become quite the fan of it. Another big factor that set my love of this pairing in stone was Nevertalk's Turnabout Catalyst story. It punched me right in the feels and made me shed (not so) manly tears. His story serves as the inspiration for a lot of the stuff I do on the Wright and Co. Law Offices page and in my own fanfictions (The biggest inspiration being the burger locket and how the disbarment was handled). His stuff is just that good to the point where I feel like it is canon and I can't picture it happening any other way. So basically, I love this pairing and I hope to be an active fan in this group.
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Wright&Co.LawOffices wrote:
Hope you all don't mind a new guy joining and sharing how he came to love this pairing. I had played the first Ace Attorney game and I was browsing around the web when I somehow came across the evidence list by Icer. I'm not sure why but I was touched. Now mind you, I never considered myself a shipper of anything before P/M, I always thought that it was this odd thing fanbases do just because. However, this one really stuck out to me and I've become quite the fan of it.
Awww, my existence has finally been justified
(Great, I think I'm out of confetti pics)
Wait, you own that Facebook page? A celebrity in my midst!
Uh yeah, I agree here, I casually support pairings in various entertainment during the story, (ummm, they usually don't seem to become canon either :( ) but I wouldn't have called myself a 'shipper' of anything...
We all seem to be talking about the age thing, so um. I agree I may not have shipped them if only the 1st game was ever made, probably would not have. It's kind of a potential that maybe one day in the future they might get together, but there isn't serious shipping material persay. Shipping them DURING that game is kind of, um, 'borderline'... <insert word here>
P/M is more a product of the second game, now Maya has become an 'adult' (as they keep reminding us, and immediately raise P/M themselves, even if it isn't canon, the IDEA is canon). I think the fact the 'pairing' would have evolved over time rather than being Perfect Disturbing True
As for 7 years in general, it deprecates in meaning the older they get, and Gumshoe/Maggey (which although it's not 'canon' is certainly RAISED by the game) is 7 years so supposedly in GS Land it's just fine.
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However, this one really stuck out to me and I've become quite the fan of it. Another big factor that set my love of this pairing in stone was Nevertalk's Turnabout Catalyst story. It punched me right in the feels and made me shed (not so) manly tears.
Daaaaw!
I like your avatar btw.
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Hikari wrote:
Guys guys guys look I wrote some topical fic! I keep thinking I'm done writing these guys and then this happens. To summarise, after Turnabout Sisters, Maya's feeling lonely and goes to see Nick. They watch a movie and stuff happens and Maya feels awkward. (Feedback is love.)
I like it. Phoenix, Maya, and Mia are just like in the videogames. My only minor complaint is that when it comes to fanfiction I usually don't like it when characters who usually don't curse are given curse words in their dialoge. Other than that I thought this fanfiction was adorable and fits with the canon.
I would've sent you a review on fanfiction.net but I haven't been on my account for so long.
I kind of have an idea for a friendshippy oneshot where Phoenix and Maya head to their usual burger joint and to their surprise meet up with Winston Payne...so all three characters have lovely small talk. (I thought Payne could use some love, and some character development.)
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icer wrote:
Wright&Co.LawOffices wrote:
Hope you all don't mind a new guy joining and sharing how he came to love this pairing. I had played the first Ace Attorney game and I was browsing around the web when I somehow came across the evidence list by Icer. I'm not sure why but I was touched. Now mind you, I never considered myself a shipper of anything before P/M, I always thought that it was this odd thing fanbases do just because. However, this one really stuck out to me and I've become quite the fan of it.
Awww, my existence has finally been justified
(Great, I think I'm out of confetti pics)
Wait, you own that Facebook page? A celebrity in my midst!
Uh yeah, I agree here, I casually support pairings in various entertainment during the story, (ummm, they usually don't seem to become canon either :( ) but I wouldn't have called myself a 'shipper' of anything...
If anything, you all are the celebrities to me XD (Been lurking for quite some time). I'll only support a pairing if there's canon evidence and there's plenty of it in this one.
Now as for the age difference, my grandparents were 7 years apart so yeah. Also, the interesting thing about Maya is that throughout the games we really see her mature. Sure she's still the fun loving Maya that we all know and love but compare her from when we get to know her in Ace Attorney to how she is in Trials and Tribulations; it's subtle but it's obviously there. Now I don't really see the pairing happening during Phoenix's time as a lawyer, aside from Maya maybe, almost, definitely (shutupit'scanon) having a crush on Phoenix. However, I do see it coming to fruition post disbarment, after 7 long years it would provide a happy ending for this couple that's endured so much... Unless AA5 screws it up...
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Emiko: Thank you! :D I agree about being jolted out of the story when characters in uncharacteristically swear, but I guess I don't really consider 'damn' a swear word...I'm glad they seemed in character! I was going for that but also a real edge of weirdness. Um, it's hard to explain what I mean but it was inspired by the conversation about ages, so yeah!
Wright&Co: AA5 will almost definitely screw it up, I think, but really it's quite easy to imagine the non-Takumi games happening in an alternate reality :p Have you read icer's AJ theory essay?
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Hikari wrote:
Wright&Co: AA5 will almost definitely screw it up, I think, but really it's quite easy to imagine the non-Takumi games happening in an alternate reality :p Have you read icer's AJ theory essay?
No I haven't read that essay and while a pretty big curveball was thrown at Phoenix in AJ we have to accept it as canon because that's what it is. I personally thought the disbarment was a great plot point and added a new layer to Phoenix's character, sure it could've been elaborated on a bit more but that's what headcanon's for. Also, AJ was done by Takumi. It was AAI, AAI2, and AA5 that weren't/aren't going to be done by Takumi (Which worries me greatly in regards to AA5). I still hold hope for a Maya appearance because it'd make no sense for her not to appear.
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No I haven't read that essay and while a pretty big curveball was thrown at Phoenix in AJ we have to accept it as canon because that's what it is. I personally thought the disbarment was a great plot point and added a new layer to Phoenix's character, sure it could've been elaborated on a bit more but that's what headcanon's for. Also, AJ was done by Takumi. It was AAI, AAI2, and AA5 that weren't/aren't going to be done by Takumi (Which worries me greatly in regards to AA5). I still hold hope for a Maya appearance because it'd make no sense for her not to appear.
While of course it is canon and the continuation of the story the creators are telling, once it's out here in fandom we can make what we want of it in a way that suits our individual tastes :P That's the beautiful thing about headcanon and interpreting media, or something! The disbarring was extremely polarising and for those who find it an unsatisfying place for Phoenix to end up in, it's nice to have a 'happy place' to mentally fall back on...
I'd link you the essay but I can't find it. iirc it's a well thought out interpretation of facts that imply the AA games made after T&T are in a slightly different continuity as the originals, especially production-wise. You don't have to take it into account, but it makes sense. Not to imply any Doctor Who-ish parallel universe travel stuff, but is it really a coincidence that 1-5 and the post-GS3 games, which had the same production teams, are linked so closely? I think you're right that Takumi did AJ (I've forgotten everything, ahhh!) but iirc he didn't want Phoenix to be in it in the first place...? Anyway, you're definitely right that it would make no sense for Maya not to appear, but they really haven't shown any signs of caring :/ Well, at least we have PW/PL.
edit: welp. :/
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Hikari wrote:
I agree about being jolted out of the story when characters in uncharacteristically swear, but I guess I don't really consider 'damn' a swear word...I'm glad they seemed in character!
I don't consider 'Damn' a swear word either and I can imagine Maya saying it (do they really never say it in the games? Maybe it's more offensive in USA?). However looking at the story again the word damn is used in the 'narration' from Maya's POV about 4-5 times ('damn good', etc) and maybe that would not be expected from Maya (though since we're not in her head in the games sans that 1 scene who knows)
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Wright&Co: AA5 will almost definitely screw it up, I think, but really it's quite easy to imagine the non-Takumi games happening in an alternate reality :p Have you read icer's AJ theory essay?
Oh yeah, I think it's offline, the server I used to host stuff on seemed to die, the thing needed severe updating as it's grossly misinterpreted by various people and I've refined my hypothesis since then.
In fact I don't know if the 'P/M Evidence List' is working right now, I signed up for yet another of those free webspace things in case I have to move it again. The server it was on seemed to be hacked and infected with a malware, which I noticed and manually disabled, but the Google warning rubbish didn't catch up with the fact the servers have been restored... have yet another mirror for it
Ehhh whatever, I won't outline my incredibly long rationale now and bore everyone, but I think the most likely hypothesis is GS4 was conceptually a 'plot continuity' 'reboot' (or whatever similar concept you want to draw, everyone starts arguing over a 'crisis of definition'), but also made to be a sequel to 1-5 (and a kind of ironic deconstruction of it, but that's besides the point...) . This makes for a huge mess because FORMERLY 1-5 was conceived as a sidequest that did fit into the GS1-3 continuity without jarring contradiction (although it did quietly ret-con a few things but never mind). This makes a lot of sense because (among other things) Inaba was the director for GS1-3 but Matsukawa was the director for 1-5 and GS4. Also GS1-3 was on the GBA (The GBA Arc) and 1-5 and GS4 were DS-only (The DS Generation Arc). The advertisements for GS4 quite literally display a 'lineage' of the GS games and 1-5 is shown as it's own 'game' in the great hall of GS releases AFTER GS3 aka in chronological order by production, not supposed in-world time point. (Ah, Gant 7777777's 7 year curse....
)People keep forgetting that this is a VIDEO GAME not a book series and the Capcom marketing dept probably don't care about the difference between games franchises that benefit from narrative continuity and ones where it just doesn't matter and the same 'iconic brand characters' recur with no strict continuity. (Like Mario or something)
And to further prove my point, there's no real continuity between PL vs PW and the other games from what I can discern, our 2 iconic characters are just transported to the parallel universe in an ambiguous point in the timeline. Takumi is quite capable of doing things this way....
But since nobody felt the need to officially designate anything as a 'plot continuity reboot' who knows how it is interpreted by the GS5 writers (who are NOT Takumi). I'm not getting my hopes up we'll ever see Maya again though.
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I personally thought the disbarment was a great plot point and added a new layer to Phoenix's character, sure it could've been elaborated on a bit more but that's what headcanon's for.
The disbarring was an interesting CONCEPT and had potential for interesting character development. Personally I thought the problem was the implementation. For example, I find it way more upsetting to think of Phoenix going through that all alone after Maya and Edgeworth suddenly fell down a Memory Hole than the fact he got disbarred in the first place. But we can go round in circles discussing the same old 'controversies' in the 'fandom' sigh....
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Well that's just a replay of the same old 'info' from a few months back, nothing new. (Except we didn't see the pics before)
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Word to all the other stuff, it really seems that way. Especially the comparison to franchises like Mario. The reason we're getting a Phoenix game seems to be along the lines of them recognising him as the symbol of the brand rather than a character who had actual relationships pre-AJ.
Well, I hadn't seen those photos before, they're very pretty but not promising ^^;
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I personally thought the disbarment was a great plot point and added a new layer to Phoenix's character, sure it could've been elaborated on a bit more but that's what headcanon's for.
The disbarring was an interesting CONCEPT and had potential for interesting character development. Personally I thought the problem was the implementation. For example, I find it way more upsetting to think of Phoenix going through that all alone after Maya and Edgeworth suddenly fell down a Memory Hole than the fact he got disbarred in the first place. But we can go round in circles discussing the same old 'controversies' in the 'fandom' sigh....
Oh definitely, the implementation left so much to be desired. It raised so many questions that we're likely to see never get answered. However, I prefer to think that he didn't go through it alone. He would try to, but neither Edgeworth nor Maya would have any of that. Maya would never abandon Nick in his time of need, he's been there for her in her times of need and she would return the favor. Edgeworth wouldn't give up on Phoenix either; he doesn't want to see his friend wind up in a personal darkness, obsessing over the past like he had. Yet, with a ruined reputation and the danger of Kristoph, Phoenix would keep his distance. But they wouldn't disappear from his life completely. Maybe he'd meet up with Maya in secret once every two months or something. I can even imagine Edgeworth heading down to The Borsche Bowl Club and playing a game of poker while discussing business. With Maya, Phoenix would be able to escape the harsh realities of his life even if for just a moment. With Edgeworth, he'd plan and coordinate his next steps (I can even see Edgeworth trying to convince Phoenix to drop the issue and move on with his life). I guess this is the reason why I'm not so bothered by it anymore, I filled in the blanks in a way that left me happy. This is also the reason why AA5 makes me nervous, because it threatens all of that.
On the topic of swearing in the games, 'damn' is said quite a bit. However I don't think Maya's ever said it.
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Oh definitely, the implementation left so much to be desired. It raised so many questions that we're likely to see never get answered. However, I prefer to think that he didn't go through it alone. He would try to, but neither Edgeworth nor Maya would have any of that. Maya would never abandon Nick in his time of need, he's been there for her in her times of need and she would return the favor. Edgeworth wouldn't give up on Phoenix either
Oh yeah, but without them choosing to bestow the slightest hint in canon... It's inconceivable with the character development from GS1-3 if it was taken into account
I think Takumi would have patched that angle up to seem less.. depressing in GS5 if he wrote it (the game kind of reads his mid-life crisis...) but with the GK writers, well it's hard to predict....
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I guess this is the reason why I'm not so bothered by it anymore, I filled in the blanks in a way that left me happy. This is also the reason why AA5 makes me nervous, because it threatens all of that.
I think we all feel that way, even if we don't want to admit it.... We eventually got the closure the actual GAME didn't give us with our imaginations, (especially since the thing was released in, what, 2008? Most of the fandom has probably come up with head-canons to compensate) except they can't leave alone... Kind of why sometimes it's better for things to end (if they must) instead of jumping the shark especially with non-original writers. I see GK and GK2 as a missed opportunity to gratify fans of the 'old' series in what was supposedly designed as fanservice for the 'old fans' (come on those games would be boring and incomprehensibe for people who hadn't played at least GS1, despite their stupid evasion policy of 'absent characters') . Instead at least in GK we just got a poor mashup of meaningless cameos of characters-of-the-day and poorer overall writing... GK2 maybe we'll never know to judge...
Also I'm way more interested in PL vs PW than GS5 (given what we've seen) and no localisation announcement. We've been waiting for that game since 2010 and we could be waiting.., forever...
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Especially the comparison to franchises like Mario. The reason we're getting a Phoenix game seems to be along the lines of them recognising him as the symbol of the brand rather than a character who had actual relationships pre-AJ.
Yeah. And come on, a reason people liked the series was the continuity. I mean it's all interactive, so it wasn't just Phoenix had those relationships. WE did too and the characters (Maya, Edgeworth) helped us out and we saved them :P It's proven people prefer games that take into account their past relations to NPCs rather than resetting and ignoring them. We are not the target market, 'new players' are. (Phoenix being the main is a big enough hook to force us to buy, see, as was 'disbarring' him before and forcing us to play, and...) Content for us is, hey, here it is released on iPad yet again... (notice GS1-3 is basically a single game now?)
Oh and PW vs PL if we ever get it here....
Phoenix is a character not a brand or otherwise avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mario's origin, on the other hand, was just a few pixels jumping around in Donkey Kong or something, with a minimal backstory just to justify him jumping around in whatever context.... like a 'puppet'
I forgive GS5's existence though regardless of the content because of Phoenix not having to languish in disbarred ambiguity for eternity, though it's a stupid decision in terms of marketing anyway to ruin your franchise icon's main identity thing....and why the game 'had' to be made in terms of Capcom's eyes.
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I think THAT just made me accept the Phoenix/Maya pairing, even though I also support Phoenix/Miles.
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I think THAT just made me accept the Phoenix/Maya pairing, even though I also support Phoenix/Miles.
Congratulations!
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icer wrote:
katharinetat wrote:
nevertalk wrote:
I think THAT just made me accept the Phoenix/Maya pairing, even though I also support Phoenix/Miles.
Congratulations!
Hey, look at this, someone made P/M..cake?!
Daaaawwww! So adorable!
I kind of have a feeling Pearly made that cake. O.O
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icer wrote:
Oh well, pic time, right?
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It's been awhile since pictures have been posted. I love the Christmas picture, it's adorable, the art style is great, and the coloring is a stroke of genius.
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