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Thane wrote:
Oh dear, have I incited an argument? That was not my intention.
I don't dislike Trucy at all, even if I don't like how her personality is dangerously close to Maya's.
I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth.
I don't dislike Trucy at all, even if I don't like how her personality is dangerously close to Maya's.
I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth.
Oh, ok. I don't recall her instantly calling Phoenix daddy as a kid, but then again I haven't played AJ in a while so I could be mistaken.
I'm pretty sure the story of her growing up with Phoenix hasn't been told at all, so I do wonder about that.
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blahmoomoo wrote:
Thane wrote:
Oh dear, have I incited an argument? That was not my intention.
I don't dislike Trucy at all, even if I don't like how her personality is dangerously close to Maya's.
I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth.
I don't dislike Trucy at all, even if I don't like how her personality is dangerously close to Maya's.
I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth.
Oh, ok. I don't recall her instantly calling Phoenix daddy as a kid, but then again I haven't played AJ in a while so I could be mistaken.
I'm pretty sure the story of her growing up with Phoenix hasn't been told at all, so I do wonder about that.
I more or less just finished Apollo Justice, and she calls him daddy almost immediately, which to me makes it feel hollow and fake, as opposed to affectionate. And the fact that she keeps calling him that when she's 15 bothers me too.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
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Thane wrote:
blahmoomoo wrote:
Thane wrote:
Oh dear, have I incited an argument? That was not my intention.
I don't dislike Trucy at all, even if I don't like how her personality is dangerously close to Maya's.
I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth.
I don't dislike Trucy at all, even if I don't like how her personality is dangerously close to Maya's.
I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth.
Oh, ok. I don't recall her instantly calling Phoenix daddy as a kid, but then again I haven't played AJ in a while so I could be mistaken.
I'm pretty sure the story of her growing up with Phoenix hasn't been told at all, so I do wonder about that.
I more or less just finished Apollo Justice, and she calls him daddy almost immediately, which to me makes it feel hollow and fake, as opposed to affectionate. And the fact that she keeps calling him that when she's 15 bothers me too.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
sounds like you feel it borders on pedophilia?
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Trucy and Klavier share a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCGfVtolH6E
Could anyone summarize what he's saying about Trucy and Klavier?
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And the fact that she keeps calling him that when she's 15 bothers me too.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
Some people refer to their parents as "Mama" and "Daddy" even when they get older. It does not necessarily indicate childishness or anything unseemly, it's just what they use instead of "Mom," "Dad," and whatever else.
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Trucy and Klavier share a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCGfVtolH6E
Could anyone summarize what he's saying about Trucy and Klavier?
Basic introductions and such. Trucy really likes to hang around the office apparently, so that's probably where she is when she isn't helping with an investigation. And Klavier has hence been dubbed the "slightly cocky elite prosecutor". Things like that.
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Thane wrote:
And the fact that she keeps calling him that when she's 15 bothers me too.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
Some people refer to their parents as "Mama" and "Daddy" even when they get older. It does not necessarily indicate childishness or anything unseemly, it's just what they use instead of "Mom," "Dad," and whatever else.
While I still feel that's weird, that's not why I find it creepy. She called him the same thing when he was a complete stranger, and she keeps calling him that for seven years - it just seems fake. She feels fake!
And I apologize for derailing the thread.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Lusankya wrote:
WarChild wrote:
Trucy and Klavier share a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCGfVtolH6E
Could anyone summarize what he's saying about Trucy and Klavier?
Basic introductions and such. Trucy really likes to hang around the office apparently, so that's probably where she is when she isn't helping with an investigation. And Klavier has hence been dubbed the "slightly cocky elite prosecutor". Things like that.
Ah, thanks. I still hope Trucy has some role in the plot. It doesn't has to be a big one, but at least a little bit important would be nice.
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Thane wrote:
shadowofedgeworth wrote:
Thane wrote:
And the fact that she keeps calling him that when she's 15 bothers me too.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
Some people refer to their parents as "Mama" and "Daddy" even when they get older. It does not necessarily indicate childishness or anything unseemly, it's just what they use instead of "Mom," "Dad," and whatever else.
While I still feel that's weird, that's not why I find it creepy. She called him the same thing when he was a complete stranger, and she keeps calling him that for seven years - it just seems fake. She feels fake!
And I apologize for derailing the thread.
It could also be
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Lusankya wrote:
WarChild wrote:
Trucy and Klavier share a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCGfVtolH6E
Could anyone summarize what he's saying about Trucy and Klavier?
Basic introductions and such. Trucy really likes to hang around the office apparently, so that's probably where she is when she isn't helping with an investigation. And Klavier has hence been dubbed the "slightly cocky elite prosecutor". Things like that.
Ah, thanks. I still hope Trucy has some role in the plot. It doesn't has to be a big one, but at least a little bit important would be nice.[/quote]
Sounds like she'll be managing the office. Weird considering I always thought she'd prefer to run around and solve mysteries, but I guess someone has to take care of all the paperwork.
And that someone is a 16-year-old magician!
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Well, Nick's always had a teenaged co-manager in charge of the office. Someone has to look after it to make sure no one kidnaps Charley. He's a prime target.
That would explain a lot.
Still, I wonder how Phoenix would ever explain himself if someone remotely competent from the police ever came by his office. Teenage girls everywhere, and they're allowed into crime scenes and everything.
That reminds me, don't teenagers go to school in this universe? Either it's incredibly efficient or the law system is even more messed up than I had previously imagined.
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Thane wrote:
I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth.
I always looked at that as simply a symptom of the "video game" format itself. I think if they had made a 200 hour "Apollo Justice: Director's Cut" that had TONS of more scenes that weren't relevant to the plot, it would probably take the first couple of years for Trucy to think of Phoenix as her real father, and it would probably take years for Phoenix to get comfortable with it as well. But showing all of that would take too long and would be too complicated for the game so they just instantly switched to their father-daughter roles.
There have been a lot of parts of the game that have done things like that. Like how Maya and Pearl can be super happy right after 3-5. The characters in AA switch emotions and get over things super quickly because of the nature of the game itself.
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Overthinking vaguely explained fictional circumstances is a route to madness...trust me!
Speaking from experience, huh?
But yeah, I tend to overthink things. Nevertheless, imagining how Phoenix would explain constantly hanging around teenage girls to someone is no small source of amusement to me.
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I just think she's scary partly because of her ability to instantly call a stranger 'daddy' after her real father vanishes from the face of the earth....
I more or less just finished Apollo Justice, and she calls him daddy almost immediately, which to me makes it feel hollow and fake, as opposed to affectionate. ....
I don't know why I'm obsessing over that but I just find it creepy.
Agreed. What kind of person instantly calls some random man you've barely met 'Daddy' a few days after the real one has disappeared?
Also why the heck was Phoenix ALLOWED to adopt Trucy? Some disbarred single criminal hobo who's just been disgraced for presenting forged evidence in court (which must be some kind of crime) and is obviously not a neutral party but 'suspiciously' connected to the whole Zak disappearance/case. The police would know about Trucy just being abandoned, and in any normal society the authorities would have only had her be adopted to someone meeting some kind of STANDARDS, since Phoenix isn't a relative or anything... it doesn't make any sense?
So I think the entire Trucy adoption sequence was very badly written. They just decided Phoenix would adopt her to connect him to the new cast, and then it was shoehorned in in this poorly written manner.
But Trucy and Maya are NOT at all the same. They wrote a load of things about Trucy to make her a superficial OPPOSITE to Maya.
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Like how Maya and Pearl can be super happy right after 3-5.
But that gets explained. Phoenix wonders how Maya can possibly be smiling and all that, and Edgeworth points out she's being strong for the sake of Pearl. It's recognised there's a juxtaposition, and the possibility Maya is torn up inside is raised by the game itself.
If Trucy is torn up inside, it's NOT raised by the game, not in that scene.
Practically everything in the MASON/Flashback feels like a rushed, poorly explained mess actually. Perhaps they'd run out of time by that point...
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Agreed. What kind of person instantly calls some random man you've barely met 'Daddy' a few days after the real one has disappeared?
If I recall correctly, Nick's trial was back in April. By the time Trucy showed up at his office, it was May. If anything, it seems like she was busy searching for her father after that, but couldn't find him. Who knows where Valant went off to. He was her last hope, essentially.
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Agreed. What kind of person instantly calls some random man you've barely met 'Daddy' a few days after the real one has disappeared?
Also why the heck was Phoenix ALLOWED to adopt Trucy? Some disbarred single criminal hobo who's just been disgraced for presenting forged evidence in court (which must be some kind of crime) and is obviously not a neutral party but 'suspiciously' connected to the whole Zak disappearance/case. The police would know about Trucy just being abandoned, and in any normal society the authorities would have only had her be adopted to someone meeting some kind of STANDARDS, since Phoenix isn't a relative or anything... it doesn't make any sense?
So I think the entire Trucy adoption sequence was very badly written. They just decided Phoenix would adopt her to connect him to the new cast, and then it was shoehorned in in this poorly written manner.
There's no logic to the adoption, and you don't see any social workers or adoption agencies. It just happens. Although it doesn't bug me much considering these people also allow whips in court and channel spirits.
Regarding the actual premise: That is exactly what happened, if I am not mistaken. Takumi was creating AJ as a new game with no connection to Wright but Capcom made him make Phoenix involved in the plot. It's the AA equivalent of moving the island on Lost; It was a last-minute, studio-connected change that caused a lot of confusion but ended up working out better in the end. (Well, in LOST only because it made the last season a little more important; I still think that whole moving the island thing was BS.
But Trucy and Maya are NOT at all the same. They wrote a load of things about Trucy to make her a superficial OPPOSITE to Maya.
Quote:
Like how Maya and Pearl can be super happy right after 3-5.
But that gets explained. Phoenix wonders how Maya can possibly be smiling and all that, and Edgeworth points out she's being strong for the sake of Pearl. It's recognised there's a juxtaposition, and the possibility Maya is torn up inside is raised by the game itself.
If Trucy is torn up inside, it's NOT raised by the game, not in that scene.
Practically everything in the MASON/Flashback feels like a rushed, poorly explained mess actually. Perhaps they'd run out of time by that point...
But that gets explained. Phoenix wonders how Maya can possibly be smiling and all that, and Edgeworth points out she's being strong for the sake of Pearl. It's recognised there's a juxtaposition, and the possibility Maya is torn up inside is raised by the game itself.
If Trucy is torn up inside, it's NOT raised by the game, not in that scene.
Practically everything in the MASON/Flashback feels like a rushed, poorly explained mess actually. Perhaps they'd run out of time by that point...
I still think that explanation is bad. Even if Maya is being strong, why is Pearl so happy? These characters never show post-conflict sadness or rage for more than 5 minutes.
Like I said, i just look at everything in the game as being as illogical and weird as it is in the courtroom. So this kind of stuff never bugs me too much, because I know if they were going to adapt it into another format or if you were to try to figure out how it would happen "in the real world" you would add in all the logic and the real-world attributes to make the story work. (That was the problem with the AA movie; they just adapted it exactly without adding any more realism or toning down the characters and that part of what made it not work. The other part being the fact that the stories don't work in short, two-hour portions).
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If I recall correctly, Nick's trial was back in April. By the time Trucy showed up at his office, it was May. If anything, it seems like she was busy searching for her father after that, but couldn't find him. Who knows where Valant went off to. He was her last hope, essentially.
I'm sure she probably looks at Phoenix as a better father anyway (or at least she should).
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I still think that explanation is bad. Even if Maya is being strong, why is Pearl so happy? These characters never show post-conflict sadness or rage for more than 5 minutes.
Granted, it wasn't a good explanation, but it is AN explanation. We don't GET ANY explanation for the Trucy adoption scene and a lot of other things. And they MADE a Trucy crying sprite (so it wasn't because they were short on resources) but it's shown once right at the end of the game? I mean really. And it's not happening in the real time with Trucy even there. Phoenix TELLS us that Trucy really feels whatever. It's 'Tell don't show'.
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If I recall correctly, Nick's trial was back in April. By the time Trucy showed up at his office, it was May. If anything, it seems like she was busy searching for her father after that, but couldn't find him. Who knows where Valant went off to. He was her last hope, essentially.
'It was two weeks after the trial.'
http://aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Turnabout_Succession
Now where are the authorities? How come they aren't (organising for) having Trucy adopted by someone respectable in this time? How come Phoenix is expected to arrange this stuff anyway? Where was Trucy in the meantime anyway? The whole thing is ludicrous, I'm sorry. For example, when something weird like spirit channelling happens, there's some kind of 'reasoning' they give us because of the psuedosciencemagic of the universe. There was none given here.
Anyway if this video is an indication (sharing time with the Klavier cameo) and she is indeed more a kind of side character cameo-ing I suppose her character will get shafted here and she'll forever be stuck only shown putting on an act with her magic panties instead of character development of her supposed deeper side. I'd hope I'm wrong... but wouldn't bet on it...
Oh well...Oh hey.. wasn't Klavier going to quit the Gavineers? Still wearing the same stuff though....
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If I recall correctly, Nick's trial was back in April. By the time Trucy showed up at his office, it was May. If anything, it seems like she was busy searching for her father after that, but couldn't find him. Who knows where Valant went off to. He was her last hope, essentially.
'It was two weeks after the trial.'
http://aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Turnabout_Succession
And on the same page, Phoenix's first and only day in that trial before he was disbarred was recorded as April 19. That's not two weeks; that's a month. As victims in their own right, they're surprisingly laid back about the whole tragedy. And I don't think they ever went to authorities. He just took her under his wing, and that was that. In fact, most people don't expect her to be his daughter. Usually, they'd act surprised when she brings it up; Apollo being no exception.
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And on the same page, Phoenix's first and only day in that trial before he was disbarred was recorded as April 19. That's not two weeks; that's a month. As victims in their own right, they're surprisingly laid back about the whole tragedy. And I don't think they ever went to authorities. He just took her under his wing, and that was that. In fact, most people don't expect her to be his daughter. Usually, they'd act surprised when she brings it up; Apollo being no exception.
Um, that wouldn't happen. The authorities would be aware of Trucy's situation, Zak disappearing in a murder trial and all. I mean, where was she BEFORE she went to Phoenix?
You can't just go to the government and decide to adopt (or 'keep', like a pet) a random unrelated girl, even if they were abandoned by your 'client'. If it wasn't done legally Phoenix would probably get arrested....
Now I'm confused over the dates. Because I quote, THE GAME:
Phoenix:
...Two weeks had passed
since then.
Phoenix:
I called her into my office.
Phoenix:
Trucy, there's something
we need to talk about.
Trucy:
......
Phoenix:
It's been two weeks since
your father... disappeared.
So don't tell me this is another mistake in the game?
Or did the wiki have an error and it was Apr 29?... No the game script claims the Flashback Trial was Apr 19... so
I think I've proven my earlier point. MASON is a mess. Even the canonic dates don't match up with Phoenix's canonic dialogue
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It is assumed that the conversation was the climax of a longer period of time when they have been living together already.
How does that make sense? It doesn't.
Phoenix:
...Two weeks had passed
since then.
Phoenix:
I called her into my office.
Phoenix:
Trucy, there's something
we need to talk about.
Trucy:
......
Phoenix:
It's been two weeks since
your father... disappeared.
This is very clearly 2 weeks after the Flashback Trial.
BEGIN MASON [...]
Phoenix:
...Well now.
Shall we begin?
Phoenix:
Touch the arrow to switch
between past and present.
Phoenix:
But let's begin seven years
ago... in the past.
Phoenix:
It is right after my last
trial came to an abrupt end.
Phoenix:
...Now that you know the game,
let's play.
----
Phoenix:
I think that's probably
enough for today.
Phoenix:
Sorry to ask you so much
all at once like that.
Trucy:
It's OK! After all, we're
family!
Trucy:
I just hope you're ready!
Trucy:
The Wright Talent Agency
opens tomorrow!
Phoenix:
Wh-What!? B-But are we...
representing anyone?
Trucy:
Me and you...
That makes two, Daddy...!
Phoenix:
I think you need more than
that to make an agency.
Phoenix:
Besides...
Phoenix:
...you may be a magician...
but I'm no talent!
Trucy:
Oh, I'm sure there's
something you're good at!
Phoenix:
Well, when you put it that
way...
Trucy:
You mean you don't have any
tricks? No old standbys?
This will not do!
Trucy:
A boy should always have a
trick or two in his pocket.
Phoenix:
OK, OK! I'll think of
something.
Trucy:
That's the spirit! See you
bright and early tomorrow,
Daddy!
IT TAKES PLACE ON ONE DAY!
Seven Years Ago
Wright & Co. Law Offices
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Now are you claiming the March date in the wiki is the date of the END of the entire '7 years ago' MASON sequence?
Doesn't make any difference. The Trucy conversation clearly takes place on one day 2 weeks after the fatal 'trial'. Then the whole MASON is ambiguously vague. The entire game just recurringly rants about '7 years ago' in an unnatural manner too. It's one of those symbolic numbers. '7 years ago'. (The 7 year curse of Gant. Etc.)
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icer wrote:
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
And on the same page, Phoenix's first and only day in that trial before he was disbarred was recorded as April 19. That's not two weeks; that's a month. As victims in their own right, they're surprisingly laid back about the whole tragedy. And I don't think they ever went to authorities. He just took her under his wing, and that was that. In fact, most people don't expect her to be his daughter. Usually, they'd act surprised when she brings it up; Apollo being no exception.
Um, that wouldn't happen. The authorities would be aware of Trucy's situation, Zak disappearing in a murder trial and all. I mean, where was she BEFORE she went to Phoenix?
You can't just go to the government and decide to adopt (or 'keep', like a pet) a random unrelated girl, even if they were abandoned by your 'client'. If it wasn't done legally Phoenix would probably get arrested....
I'm more curious why Apollo didn't question it more when he did learn about it. Oh, well.
Quote:
Now I'm confused over the dates. Because I quote, THE GAME:
Phoenix:
...Two weeks had passed
since then.
Phoenix:
I called her into my office.
Phoenix:
Trucy, there's something
we need to talk about.
Trucy:
......
Phoenix:
It's been two weeks since
your father... disappeared.
So don't tell me this is another mistake in the game?
Or did the wiki have an error and it was Apr 29?... No the game script claims the Flashback Trial was Apr 19... so
I think I've proven my earlier point. MASON is a mess. Even the canonic dates don't match up with Phoenix's canonic dialogue
Phoenix:
...Two weeks had passed
since then.
Phoenix:
I called her into my office.
Phoenix:
Trucy, there's something
we need to talk about.
Trucy:
......
Phoenix:
It's been two weeks since
your father... disappeared.
So don't tell me this is another mistake in the game?
Or did the wiki have an error and it was Apr 29?... No the game script claims the Flashback Trial was Apr 19... so
I think I've proven my earlier point. MASON is a mess. Even the canonic dates don't match up with Phoenix's canonic dialogue
Indeed, that is exactly how the Japanese script read too. If I recall correctly, GS4 was written by multiple members on a team, with Takumi involved in part of it. Odd that they didn't go over the whole thing and check for errors like this, but it happens.
In any case, Yamazaki took an extra step with GS5 to watch for these sorts of mistakes. He emphasized the point plenty of times in his blog.
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Quote:
Like how Maya and Pearl can be super happy right after 3-5.
But that gets explained. Phoenix wonders how Maya can possibly be smiling and all that, and Edgeworth points out she's being strong for the sake of Pearl. It's recognised there's a juxtaposition, and the possibility Maya is torn up inside is raised by the game itself.
If Trucy is torn up inside, it's NOT raised by the game, not in that scene.
Practically everything in the MASON/Flashback feels like a rushed, poorly explained mess actually. Perhaps they'd run out of time by that point...[/quote]
Probably, like when
Spoiler:
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icer wrote:
henke37 wrote:
It is assumed that the conversation was the climax of a longer period of time when they have been living together already.
Now are you claiming the March date in the wiki is the date of the END of the entire '7 years ago' MASON sequence?
Doesn't make any difference. The Trucy conversation clearly takes place on one day 2 weeks after the fatal 'trial'. Then the whole MASON is ambiguously vague. The entire game just recurringly rants about '7 years ago' in an unnatural manner too. It's one of those symbolic numbers. '7 years ago'. (The 7 year curse of Gant. Etc.)
Of course I am not claiming that. I am claiming that she had been around for a while. Two weeks is long enough here.
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henke37 wrote:
Of course I am not claiming that. I am claiming that she had been around for a while. Two weeks is long enough here.
You mean that Phoenix has been babysitting her for the past 2 weeks?
Phoenix:
...Two weeks had passed
since then.
Phoenix:
I called her into my office.
The game does not say that. It insinuates the opposite.
And that would be insane. Trucy was abandoned at a courthouse. It's swarming with legal/police types. She would have been in their custody, (as she would have surely been before the trial, the police surely have to do something with a kid if they arrest all their parents) not left to go with some (single male) criminal, which is basically what Phoenix amounts to with the 'evidence forgery' and all. Phoenix has his own business to take care of. Which is probably why the conversation is made 'two weeks' later to start with, not 2 days later or something.
fourtrass wrote:
Probably, like when
Spoiler:
Is it a
Spoiler:
It's ambiguous, but there's a clear dichotomy between the sequences where Phoenix addresses the in-world jury, and the ones where he's seeming to addressing the player directly. Aka US.
Spoiler:
For example the end jury sequence there is no Matrix-type background, but the parts at the beginning where Phoenix speaks to 'us' there is. And all this stuff about a 'game', over and over. This sequence would surely never be said to the in-world jury:
============================
Episode 4
Turnabout Succession
MASON System -40M01-
============================
...That trial seven years ago
was the beginning of it all.
This I know beyond a doubt.
The mysteries of the past work
their magic on the present.
But you'll soon be finding
all of this out for yourself.
Which of Magnifi Gramarye's
disciples pulled that trigger?
Where did the vanishing
defendant, Zak Gramarye, go?
What dark truth lurks behind
the forged diary page?
And what about the girl who
was left behind...?
...The past left us these four
"keys" to unlocking the truth.
But that's not all.
There are four "keys" in the
present, as well.
And when all the questions
have found their answers...
...the final trial will
begin.
See,. you really think in the in-world jury would hold up trial date till they finished? As for US PLAYING well of course this is logical.
But first, you must chase the
truth through then and now.
Think of it... as a game.
Phoenix:
I, Phoenix Wright, will be
your guide through this game.
Phoenix:
That terrible trial saw me
present forged evidence.
Phoenix:
...It ended, half-finished,
when the defendant vanished.
Phoenix:
What became of me after
that...?
Phoenix:
As your investigation proceeds
the answer will become clear.
Phoenix:
...Oh, and one more thing.
Phoenix:
There is something I must
tell you.
Phoenix:
As Apollo Justice has his
bracelet...
Would the jury know this? I don't think so!
Phoenix:
...so, too, do I have my
own "weapon" of sorts.
Phoenix:
...My Magatama.
Phoenix:
What does it do, you ask?
Phoenix:
That I would have you see
for yourself.
Phoenix:
...Well now.
Shall we begin?
Phoenix:
Touch the arrow to switch
between past and present.
Phoenix:
But let's begin seven years
ago... in the past.
Phoenix:
It is right after my last
trial came to an abrupt end.
Phoenix:
...Now that you know the game,
let's play.
And would the in-world jury really have played Phoenix's Flashback Trial too? And that happens AFTER the MASON screen boots up. In that one, (the Flashback Trial) it's like the game throws the irony in our face. We can't choose to NOT present the forged evidence. The two options lead to the same thing. If we don't present it we never progress. We know exactly what's going to happen. The limitations of the game's options affecting our possible input are emphasised. The game and its writing is in control not the players.
So I think it's breaking the 4th wall. Maybe this is Phoenix's magical supernatural mentor power analogous to Mia. Instead of the spiritual plane, we get him able to manipulate the 'game' logic in the same weird old game travel/narrative sequences of GS1-3+ etc. which it's no 'accident' the MASON is fairly identical to. Of course this was never explicitly said either. And since we'll probably never get to ask Takumi about his intentions for MASON (if indeed he is the one who came up with it.)
But it matches up with Hobo!Phoenix's character. He's not just forging cards, he's exploiting everything at his disposal, even the game's 'investigation-engine' things, and we're the targets here, the ones playing the game, not the people in-world. The in-world jury was shown something else, not literally what we played.
Since the jury seems to have... vanished... from GS5 from what we heard, maybe they didn't know what to make of it either... I'm curious to see whether the whole thing will be mentioned (with some justification why it didn't happen) or ignored.
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Spoiler:
It's ambiguous, but there's a clear dichotomy between the sequences where Phoenix addresses the in-world jury, and the ones where he's seeming to addressing the player directly. Aka US.
Spoiler:
For example the end jury sequence there is no Matrix-type background, but the parts at the beginning where Phoenix speaks to 'us' there is. And all this stuff about a 'game', over and over. This sequence would surely never be said to the in-world jury:
============================
Episode 4
Turnabout Succession
MASON System -40M01-
============================
...That trial seven years ago
was the beginning of it all.
This I know beyond a doubt.
The mysteries of the past work
their magic on the present.
But you'll soon be finding
all of this out for yourself.
Which of Magnifi Gramarye's
disciples pulled that trigger?
Where did the vanishing
defendant, Zak Gramarye, go?
What dark truth lurks behind
the forged diary page?
And what about the girl who
was left behind...?
...The past left us these four
"keys" to unlocking the truth.
But that's not all.
There are four "keys" in the
present, as well.
And when all the questions
have found their answers...
...the final trial will
begin.
See,. you really think in the in-world jury would hold up trial date till they finished? As for US PLAYING well of course this is logical.
But first, you must chase the
truth through then and now.
Think of it... as a game.
Phoenix:
I, Phoenix Wright, will be
your guide through this game.
Phoenix:
That terrible trial saw me
present forged evidence.
Phoenix:
...It ended, half-finished,
when the defendant vanished.
Phoenix:
What became of me after
that...?
Phoenix:
As your investigation proceeds
the answer will become clear.
Phoenix:
...Oh, and one more thing.
Phoenix:
There is something I must
tell you.
Phoenix:
As Apollo Justice has his
bracelet...
Would the jury know this? I don't think so!
Phoenix:
...so, too, do I have my
own "weapon" of sorts.
Phoenix:
...My Magatama.
Phoenix:
What does it do, you ask?
Phoenix:
That I would have you see
for yourself.
Phoenix:
...Well now.
Shall we begin?
Phoenix:
Touch the arrow to switch
between past and present.
Phoenix:
But let's begin seven years
ago... in the past.
Phoenix:
It is right after my last
trial came to an abrupt end.
Phoenix:
...Now that you know the game,
let's play.
And would the in-world jury really have played Phoenix's Flashback Trial too? And that happens AFTER the MASON screen boots up. In that one, (the Flashback Trial) it's like the game throws the irony in our face. We can't choose to NOT present the forged evidence. The two options lead to the same thing. If we don't present it we never progress. We know exactly what's going to happen. The limitations of the game's options affecting our possible input are emphasised. The game and its writing is in control not the players.
So I think it's breaking the 4th wall. Maybe this is Phoenix's magical supernatural mentor power analogous to Mia. Instead of the spiritual plane, we get him able to manipulate the 'game' logic in the same weird old game travel/narrative sequences of GS1-3+ etc. which it's no 'accident' the MASON is fairly identical to. Of course this was never explicitly said either. And since we'll probably never get to ask Takumi about his intentions for MASON (if indeed he is the one who came up with it.)
But it matches up with Hobo!Phoenix's character. He's not just forging cards, he's exploiting everything at his disposal, even the game's 'investigation-engine' things, and we're the targets here, the ones playing the game, not the people in-world. The in-world jury was shown something else, not literally what we played.
Since the jury seems to have... vanished... from GS5 from what we heard, maybe they didn't know what to make of it either... I'm curious to see whether the whole thing will be mentioned (with some justification why it didn't happen) or ignored.[/quote]
Wow, you explained this very well. All this time I thought you played the MASON System segment as the fortold Jurist No. 6 aka Thalassa Gramarye, in a slightly inaccurate depiction of Phoenix's experiences. It was probably because at the time AJ came out Assassin's Creed 1 came out where in 2012 the protagonist entered a virtual reality machine to experience his ancestors' memories. The idea of what I thought the MASON System maybe came from that. But I thought they said in the game that Wright used to System and Vera Misham's trial as a chance to reintroduce the Jurist System. I knew at the time that it was you, the player, representing the Jurists, encountering those moments from 2019 and 2026. I never considered it a time machine, being that if all Jurists experienced the moments at the same time, Time itself would become all screwed up, despite the games taking place in the near future. So I guess it was a bit of 4th wall stuff.
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As for the quote, note that "calling into my office" does carry several possible meanings. My interpretation is that the two were regularly in the building together and that it means that he asked her to sit down for a serious discussion.
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henke37 wrote:
Well, the police is known to be incompetent at times. And they were kinda busy with tracking down Zak. The rest can be explained by "not my problem" and that the two eventually grew attached. Phoenix does have some problems saying no to people in need. And taking care of the child of his client for a while isn't that far a stretch in his inane world.
As for the quote, note that "calling into my office" does carry several possible meanings. My interpretation is that the two were regularly in the building together and that it means that he asked her to sit down for a serious discussion.
As for the quote, note that "calling into my office" does carry several possible meanings. My interpretation is that the two were regularly in the building together and that it means that he asked her to sit down for a serious discussion.
I ask you this. Was Trucy WITH Phoenix during the trial?
No. Phoenix sees her once in the lobby pre-trial like they've never met before, then Phoenix leaves and Trucy goes... elsewhere...
So evidently she is somewhere else, possibly with authorities. Authorities must know Trucy existed because she was contacted in the first place about the trial, and then allowed to be in Zak's presence, AFTER he's already arrested.
The when he gets in trouble for forging, well Phoenix is tied up with all the things that he is required to do then. During this time, other authorities would be dealing with Trucy, since Trucy was clearly not in Phoenix's presence for starters.
If you desperately want to cover all the plot/dateholes with the headcanon Trucy was with Phoenix the 2 weeks before that scene I guess you can, but there is nothing in the game to suggest it. Logic dictates the opposite.
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The rest can be explained by "not my problem"
This simply doesn't happen. There are legal procedures protecting abandoned minors. In a courthouse someone would effect these type of things. People's single parents must get arrested and sent to jail all the time so this scenario would be seen as likely to happen and be dealt with. The fact Zak Disappeared rather than being sent to jail doesn't really change how Trucy had to be cared for by the State anyway. Security and other authorities must have known Trucy was his daughter. No random kid would be allowed near an unrelated murder suspect. They're not THAT incompetent.
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A video for Bobby Fulbright is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBPsKQns7s
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A video for Bobby Fulbright is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBPsKQns7s
If you put captions on, they as "Good luck with gold, Was not organic."
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fourtrass wrote:
WarChild wrote:
A video for Bobby Fulbright is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBPsKQns7s
If you put captions on, they as "Good luck with gold, Was not organic."
Teh Fuck
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Inspector Cabanela wrote:
fourtrass wrote:
WarChild wrote:
A video for Bobby Fulbright is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDBPsKQns7s
If you put captions on, they as "Good luck with gold, Was not organic."
Teh Fuck
lolTakns Capcrunch
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If you put captions on, they as "Good luck with gold, Was not organic."
Quote:
Teh Fuck lol
lolQuote:
Takns Capcrunch
Who the hell does those captions
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The youtube automatic transcriber works together with Google translate to provide the subtitles. I wouldn't blame Google translate for the poor quality.
I blame google
point proven 
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