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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:24 am

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SuperAj3 wrote:

Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

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For an idea for GS6, How about Apollo gets married,

Mother of a Greek God. What is this madness?

It would drive a stake through poor Juniper's heart. :darke:

(I can't be that cruel... :sadshoe:

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well why not have her marry apollo :welly:

Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:04 am

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^ Then she'd become a killer and we can't do that to sweet Junie.

A wedding isn't a bad idea for the setting of a case, but we can't have Apollo marry a psycho lady who just happens to kill someone on wedding day and frame Junie for it. In fact, the entire time, some people, namely Trucy, Athena and Pearl, try to help Junie by "convincing" Apollo not to fall for such feminine wiles.

Oh, there's a thought. What if said psycho wife was also a hypnotist? It'd explain perfectly why Apollo would even consider becoming a groom.

...SuperAj3, excuse me if I just hijacked your idea.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:19 am

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Motives, you say?

Personally, I don't care at all for motives in detective fiction. Some people might find it frustrating when the detective points out a totally unexpected person out as the murderer at the end who had not been shown to have a motive yet, but as long as the logic/reasoning leading to murderer is sound, motive doesn't really matter (Ellery Queen has some great novels with that, sure, the murderer might seem to come out of the blue, but the logic shows that it simply couldn't have been somebody else).

That said though, motive is usually needed in a court, but the series has never shown something really shocking there IMHO, not with Takumi and not now.

Of course. I'm not saying a villain's motives should come at the expense of the case's structure, or make the logic far-fetched.

However, I've always disliked it when bad guys are evil for the sake of being evil, which is why I really don't like the cliché "destroy the world because I can" kind of villain. While it's never that bad in the Ace Attorney games, Dual Destinies came pretty darn close. I feel like a story can be improved immensely if we can, on at least some level, relate to the person who committed the act It adds more depth and memorability to the story.

Edit: A murder at a wedding?! Hell yes! Imagine all the buried drama an delicious backstabbing! Yes, says I, yes! Would be made even better if Apollo is in charge of the case, and Juniper is around for some reason.

Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:14 am

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Thane wrote:

Edit: A murder at a wedding?! Hell yes! Imagine all the buried drama an delicious backstabbing! Yes, says I, yes! Would be made even better if Apollo is in charge of the case, and Juniper is around for some reason.

Juniper is always around for SOME reason.

Though yeah the Wedding Idea sounds fun though I wonder how many different costume designs there would be. Normally I like an array of different outfits but wouldn't most of the witnesses in a case like that just wear formal outfits? Eh I'm sure they'd make it work.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:46 am

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Pierre wrote:

Thane wrote:

Edit: A murder at a wedding?! Hell yes! Imagine all the buried drama an delicious backstabbing! Yes, says I, yes! Would be made even better if Apollo is in charge of the case, and Juniper is around for some reason.

Juniper is always around for SOME reason.

Though yeah the Wedding Idea sounds fun though I wonder how many different costume designs there would be. Normally I like an array of different outfits but wouldn't most of the witnesses in a case like that just wear formal outfits? Eh I'm sure they'd make it work.

This is Ace Attorney, they put an admiral-looking director on a segway in a courtroom along with a strangely-dressed British weeaboo and make it work. I think they'll be able to pull off a wedding.

Also, everyone is always around for some reason (Larry comes to mind). Luckily, Juniper is fairly likeable.

Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:18 pm

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of "Apollo getting married". Couldn't he just be called in as best man?

Junie would be called in as flower girl. She'd be perfect for the role.

And Phoenix isn't very fond of weddings, but his daughter forces him to come anyway. Imagine him going missing at some point around the murder, only to find him back in the office, sleeping on the sofa, and we all know what happens when Nick is found lying asleep on sofas.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:44 pm

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of "Apollo getting married". Couldn't he just be called in as best man?

I'm with this, don't marry off the main characters ~~and interrupt my gay ships~~.

A murder at a wedding would be great if it was something really tragic like the mother of the bride killing the groom or the best man killing the bride or something.

And Juniper gets blamed just because she's there.

see how it withers before my flower of justice

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:54 pm

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Hell if you don't put Apollo in the position of groom and just have him like best man (though I can't imagine who he'd be the best-man of) or a guest that allows for more ships than ever.

Someone throws the bouquet and Junie catches it and bats her eyes at Apollo. Later on after the party the murder weapon was found in the bouquet. Instant suspicion on Junie plus a shipping opportunity for some fans in one swoop.

Hell gave me another idea, I'd quite like to see a sort of 'mob witness' from PWvsPL except it could be done with Wedding Guests.

Really I'd quite like to see that idea incorporated into AA6...or really I just want more people per case, even if they aren't called to the stand just to make it a little more difficult to pinpoint the perp.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:17 pm

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How about if it's the wedding of Maggey and Gumshoe? Edgeworth would make a cameo appearance as the best man, because, really, who else would Gumshoe choose as his best man? The victim would be a groomsman, perhaps an officer that Gumshoe met on the force. Maggey would, of course, be the defendant. Being a wedding of two people Phoenix knows, it would give him reason to be there at the scene.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:18 pm

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I don't think the Mob Witnesses mechanic would work that well in a GS game outside of PLvsPW, since the courts in AA-verse are always one witness at a time. It can be implemented into some form in an AAI game, since there can be plenty of people arguing with the prosecutor in charge all at once.

Perfect place for Blackquill's Silence!

Gosh, the police force is getting more incompetent with every game. I swear there are going to be the real killer's fingerprints and blood on the weapon for once and someone else will be suspected anyway. (On the other hand, that killer could pretend to be a victim of assault and shift suspicion to someone else. Still, why are the cuties like Junie and Maggey being suspected over and over?)

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:39 pm

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dimentiorules wrote:

How about if it's the wedding of Maggey and Gumshoe?

YES

God I really want them to get married and it would be just Maggey's luck to get accused of killing someone at her own wedding.

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:48 pm

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Louise wrote:

dimentiorules wrote:

How about if it's the wedding of Maggey and Gumshoe?

YES

God I really want them to get married and it would be just Maggey's luck to get accused of killing someone at her own wedding.

And it would totally make sense!

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:40 pm

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Not to mention that a wedding for Maggey and Gumshoe would be the perfect place to throw in some cameos. I had an idea that Franziska would show up to the wedding, and Gumshoe would be terrified as he didn't invite her. Maybe Maya could appear, as it would be a good reason for her to travel so far, to attend the wedding of an old friend. People travel miles to attend weddings in real life, so it would make sense. The only problem with this idea is that, since the series originates in Japan, the wedding would have to be more like a Japanese wedding. I don't know much about Japanese weddings, so I can't really say how it would work, but still.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:58 pm

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dimentiorules wrote:

Not to mention that a wedding for Maggey and Gumshoe would be the perfect place to throw in some cameos. I had an idea that Franziska would show up to the wedding, and Gumshoe would be terrified as he didn't invite her. Maybe Maya could appear, as it would be a good reason for her to travel so far, to attend the wedding of an old friend. People travel miles to attend weddings in real life, so it would make sense. The only problem with this idea is that, since the series originates in Japan, the wedding would have to be more like a Japanese wedding. I don't know much about Japanese weddings, so I can't really say how it would work, but still.

Also if Franny and Maya are there, can bet Edgeworth would be.

So assuming the victim is a random officer from Gummy's precinct we'd have 5 definite not-murderers involved. It's about how much they would want to sprite in.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:39 am

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Shinto ceremonies are expensive and require so many people (and robes). They should stick with a simple Western-style wedding. Besides, I don't really seem them as so "traditional" in the first place.

I wouldn't want too many cameos in it, though. It'd be too easy to know who is the killer and who isn't... unless we stuff the case full of new/old characters alike, but that might be pushing it.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:22 am

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Louise wrote:

Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of "Apollo getting married". Couldn't he just be called in as best man?

I'm with this, don't marry off the main characters ~~and interrupt my gay ships~~.

It can be a double wedding! Nick and Edgey get married alongside Polly and Klavi-poo!

If they did a wedding case and had lots of cameos, I would want it only if it is exclusively returning characters. That's right--someone's dying and someone's going to jail.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:23 am

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Well, now that Maya's already been teased to return in the ending for GS6, it seems like it's nearly inevitable that she'll be back for this game...I hope.

And if she does, please please PLEASE Capcom..give her a good voice actress! If they're gonna keep going with using FE:A VA's for your cast, how about Danielle Judovitz (Sumia and Nah)? I'd also suggest Hunter Mackenzie Austin (Nowi) but I fear she might be a little too high-pitched.

Also, since we're dealing with a huge international organization that the Phantom works for, why not bring in Interpol from the Investigations games to connect the spin-offs with the main series? And maybe even bring back Franny!

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:40 am

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Bad Player wrote:

Louise wrote:

I'm with this, don't marry off the main characters ~~and interrupt my gay ships~~.

It can be a double wedding! Nick and Edgey get married alongside Polly and Klavi-poo!

Spoiler: Some might not want to read that

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^ Then she'd become a killer and we can't do that to sweet Junie.

A wedding isn't a bad idea for the setting of a case, but we can't have Apollo marry a psycho lady who just happens to kill someone on wedding day and frame Junie for it. In fact, the entire time, some people, namely Trucy, Athena and Pearl, try to help Junie by "convincing" Apollo not to fall for such feminine wiles.

Oh, there's a thought. What if said psycho wife was also a hypnotist? It'd explain perfectly why Apollo would even consider becoming a groom.

...SuperAj3, excuse me if I just hijacked your idea.

That would be a little bit too obvious, with a freshly introduced character marrying one of the mains... Maybe have her impersonate Juniper?

Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:56 am

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If they did a wedding case and had lots of cameos, I would want it only if it is exclusively returning characters. That's right--someone's dying and someone's going to jail.

This reminds me of one of those old DOS mystery games where you can put in custom titles.

...because we all know Edgey would kill Nick with a tuba.

Sligneris wrote:

Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

A wedding isn't a bad idea for the setting of a case, but we can't have Apollo marry a psycho lady who just happens to kill someone on wedding day and frame Junie for it. In fact, the entire time, some people, namely Trucy, Athena and Pearl, try to help Junie by "convincing" Apollo not to fall for such feminine wiles.

Oh, there's a thought. What if said psycho wife was also a hypnotist? It'd explain perfectly why Apollo would even consider becoming a groom.

That would be a little bit too obvious, with a freshly introduced character marrying one of the mains... Maybe have her impersonate Juniper?

Or, not let Apollo marry anyone at all. The fact that he'd appear to take Junie's case is enough for shippers to have a field day. ~~Besides we all know he's not alone at home.~~ I'm talking about his cat.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:56 am

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

...SuperAj3, excuse me if I just hijacked your idea.

Now worries. Hijack away! :basil:

Oh wow, my idea attracted so much attention :maya:

I need to read all these posts now... :basil:

The whole idea of Apollo's wife being the killer was for the whole "main characters aren't married" so that his wife is taken to jail, and he's no longer married. Maybe as a DLC case? Although I like the idea of a Murder at Gumshoe and Maggey's wedding. Maggey does have rotten luck! Maybe her uncle dies or something? (Don't kill Gummy! :sadshoe:

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:14 am

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:54 pm

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Emiyo Gnobo Gavi wrote:

Well, now that Maya's already been teased to return in the ending for GS6, it seems like it's nearly inevitable that she'll be back for this game...I hope.

And if she does, please please PLEASE Capcom..give her a good voice actress! If they're gonna keep going with using FE:A VA's for your cast, how about Danielle Judovitz (Sumia and Nah)? I'd also suggest Hunter Mackenzie Austin (Nowi) but I fear she might be a little too high-pitched.

Also, since we're dealing with a huge international organization that the Phantom works for, why not bring in Interpol from the Investigations games to connect the spin-offs with the main series? And maybe even bring back Franny!

My memory is going blank, what teased Maya's return in the credits?

Also Rubia that DOS game looks hilarious XD

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:39 pm

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Pierre wrote:

Emiyo Gnobo Gavi wrote:

Well, now that Maya's already been teased to return in the ending for GS6, it seems like it's nearly inevitable that she'll be back for this game...I hope.

And if she does, please please PLEASE Capcom..give her a good voice actress! If they're gonna keep going with using FE:A VA's for your cast, how about Danielle Judovitz (Sumia and Nah)? I'd also suggest Hunter Mackenzie Austin (Nowi) but I fear she might be a little too high-pitched.

Also, since we're dealing with a huge international organization that the Phantom works for, why not bring in Interpol from the Investigations games to connect the spin-offs with the main series? And maybe even bring back Franny!

My memory is going blank, what teased Maya's return in the credits?

Also Rubia that DOS game looks hilarious XD

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:07 pm

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sumguy28 wrote:

Quote:

Pearl: I gave this place a good cleaning from top to bottom...
...but it's already a mess again.
I guess the only thing I can do now is...
...clean up the attitudes of the people in this office!
With Mystic Maya due to come here once her training is over, it simply must be done!

Oh snap. OH SNAP. ~~I knew it Pearls really did have a reason to kill Phoenix Pearls you scary~~

Welp it's settled. ~~Hey guys I found the murder victim and perp for the wedding Pearls just told Edgey to hit him for her but why a tuba~~

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:40 pm

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I'm trying to figure out how to phrase my ideas without getting everyone mad about being too cliche...

Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:16 am

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Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:16 am

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I'm trying to figure out how to phrase my ideas without getting everyone mad about being too cliche...

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:55 am

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Maybe a case with a split investigation, to gather information in a wide area of places and from two perspectives, or two seperate investigations that turn out to be connected (sort of 4-2-ish I guess) or two entirely seperate investigations. Like, Phoenix, Trucy, Apollo and Athena divided in two "teams" (I'd prefer Phoenix-Apollo and Athena-Trucy because I like the relationship between Apollo and Phoenix, and Athena and Trucy are close in age so it would be fun to see them interact more, but on the other hand Phoenix investigating with his daughter is sweet, and Apollo-Trucy work well together as well).

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:31 pm

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I've been hoping for a joint investigation throughout all of these games since I first joined this fandom, but I suppose the closest we'll get to splitting up into groups is in the Quiz DLC, with its random character interaction and rather widespread stupidity.

It brings me to question why they never considered taking a "split up" option in the main story. They could easily jump from place to place and let us play as different characters on the same case.

...And Apollo still was the butt-monkey in all of that.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:34 pm

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I always thought that if there was ever going to be a wedding in Ace Attorney, it'd be Larry getting married. And his fiance would turn out to be the killer. Poor Larry. :larry:

Maybe with splitting gameplay between protagonists, there could be a part where you switch between playing the defense attorney and the prosecutor. :ron:

Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:40 pm

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Mirii-chan wrote:

I always thought that if there was ever going to be a wedding in Ace Attorney, it'd be Larry getting married. And his fiance would turn out to be the killer. Poor Larry. :larry:

Maybe with splitting gameplay between protagonists, there could be a part where you switch between playing the defense attorney and the prosecutor. :ron:

Or his fiance would be the victim.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:51 pm

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dimentiorules wrote:

Mirii-chan wrote:

I always thought that if there was ever going to be a wedding in Ace Attorney, it'd be Larry getting married. And his fiance would turn out to be the killer. Poor Larry. :larry:

Maybe with splitting gameplay between protagonists, there could be a part where you switch between playing the defense attorney and the prosecutor. :ron:

Or his fiance would be the victim.

I...can't tell which of those alternatives are darker.

Re: GS6 Ideas

Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:35 pm

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Some ideas that I would like to see:

Spoiler: Prosecutor (GS5 spoilers)

Spoiler: Maya

Re: GS6 Ideas

Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:10 am

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Kav wrote:

Some ideas that I would like to see:

Spoiler: Prosecutor (GS5 spoilers)

Spoiler: Maya

XP I thought we were done with the "Apollo as a prosecutor theory" though I think the opposite.

The end of Case 5 had reaffirmed his faith in Phoenix's philosophy and he was more determined than ever to defend people.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:18 am

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Thane wrote:

Ash wrote:

Motives, you say?

Personally, I don't care at all for motives in detective fiction. Some people might find it frustrating when the detective points out a totally unexpected person out as the murderer at the end who had not been shown to have a motive yet, but as long as the logic/reasoning leading to murderer is sound, motive doesn't really matter (Ellery Queen has some great novels with that, sure, the murderer might seem to come out of the blue, but the logic shows that it simply couldn't have been somebody else).

That said though, motive is usually needed in a court, but the series has never shown something really shocking there IMHO, not with Takumi and not now.

Of course. I'm not saying a villain's motives should come at the expense of the case's structure, or make the logic far-fetched.

However, I've always disliked it when bad guys are evil for the sake of being evil, which is why I really don't like the cliché "destroy the world because I can" kind of villain. While it's never that bad in the Ace Attorney games, Dual Destinies came pretty darn close. I feel like a story can be improved immensely if we can, on at least some level, relate to the person who committed the act It adds more depth and memorability to the story.

Edit: A murder at a wedding?! Hell yes! Imagine all the buried drama an delicious backstabbing! Yes, says I, yes! Would be made even better if Apollo is in charge of the case, and Juniper is around for some reason.

I agree with this. Ace Attorney is at its strongest when the criminal's story holds up a mirror to yourself. It's one reason I think the Kurain Village case with Mimi Miney is so strong - it left me thinking what I would have done in her situation. That said, not every criminal needs to have a heartbreaking backstory - but it is nice when they are multi-dimensional and a lot of thought goes into why they do what they do.

As for the wedding, yes yes yes to Maggey and Gumshoe getting married. Would that be the cutest case or what? Gumshoe would immediately go into detective mode at his own wedding.

Re: GS6 Ideas

Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:48 am

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Kav wrote:

Some ideas that I would like to see:

Spoiler: Prosecutor (GS5 spoilers)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaugh. Noooooo, I don't want my defense and prosecution tag-teaming on anythiiiiing!

Seriously, there's no merit, be it toward character or story development. The game mechanics won't change because there's only need for one playable character at a time, unless for some reason, that character becomes unavailable through a plot device.

And in any case, Phoenix has practically hypnotized Apollo into a slave. There's no point to him switching sides, even if teaming up with Edgeworth is cool.

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Spoiler: Maya

While this idea is interesting on its own... ANOTHER kidnapping? That's not the ideal manner by which to bring back Maya. I have no problem with her as a witness again, but as a kidnapping/assault/whatever-beside-murder victim has been done several times before.

Now, if we replace Maya with Phoenix as supposed murder victim, then the implications are much more impressive. There's a lot more reason to kill a lawyer than there is to kill a spirit medium. Besides, he ain't called "Phoenix" for nothin', eh? [insert other terrible pun here]

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:56 am

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Whoa, it would be also nice if such an imposter woupd earlier interact with Wright. It would definitely feel creepy, but the idea is interesting enough.

Re: GS6 Ideas

Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:59 am

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

Quote:

Spoiler: Maya

While this idea is interesting on its own... ANOTHER kidnapping? That's not the ideal manner by which to bring back Maya. I have no problem with her as a witness again, but as a kidnapping/assault/whatever-beside-murder victim has been done several times before.

Now, if we replace Maya with Phoenix as supposed murder victim, then the implications are much more impressive. There's a lot more reason to kill a lawyer than there is to kill a spirit medium. Besides, he ain't called "Phoenix" for nothin', eh? [insert other terrible pun here]

I agree that we don't need another kidnapping, but the victim not being who we think they are could definitely be interesting. (Well, we've already had victims in disguises, but we haven't had a victim disguised as an actual other person yet.)

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:02 am

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Bad Player wrote:

Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

Quote:

Spoiler: Maya

While this idea is interesting on its own... ANOTHER kidnapping? That's not the ideal manner by which to bring back Maya. I have no problem with her as a witness again, but as a kidnapping/assault/whatever-beside-murder victim has been done several times before.

Now, if we replace Maya with Phoenix as supposed murder victim, then the implications are much more impressive. There's a lot more reason to kill a lawyer than there is to kill a spirit medium. Besides, he ain't called "Phoenix" for nothin', eh? [insert other terrible pun here]

I agree that we don't need another kidnapping, but the victim not being who we think they are could definitely be interesting. (Well, we've already had victims in disguises, but we haven't had a victim disguised as an actual other person yet.)

Do you mean the body of a victim is disguised as a different person, or the victim him/herself disguising as an imposter of a person you meet on the case, while the body is unidentifiable at first? Either way works and they can coincide for the same victim.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:01 pm

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As I'm replaying case 1-2, I think it would be interesting to kill off someone we already know, and this time around it would be even more shocking as we didn't get to know Mia that much before she was killed. As long as it's not Apollo. Or the judge, that would be really sad. And speaking of which, I think it's time for a new judge. But not because the old one is dead.

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