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linkenski wrote:
It's funny to see so much Godot in this thread but I have to agree that while he has excellent characterization I felt that his sudden change from being funny to being serious when he revealed his tragic past was a pretty awful shift in tone for his character and in that sense I felt too that the "coherence of his motivations" or rather his persona seemed pretty forced.
I mean his arc was obviously well planned-out, it didn't feel contrived in the slightest but I just didn't buy his sudden sentimentality after he had been so derp in cases before 3-5. It doesn't help that 3-5 is overall a pretty boring-ass case IMO. It's the worst final-case in the main trilogy IMO. And 4 was just tedious. The only good bits in T&T were case 2 and case 3 and they were excellent, 10/10 IMO.
I mean his arc was obviously well planned-out, it didn't feel contrived in the slightest but I just didn't buy his sudden sentimentality after he had been so derp in cases before 3-5. It doesn't help that 3-5 is overall a pretty boring-ass case IMO. It's the worst final-case in the main trilogy IMO. And 4 was just tedious. The only good bits in T&T were case 2 and case 3 and they were excellent, 10/10 IMO.
I think you got the point now.
T&T is an absolute failure as an ending game. I think the only decent case in this game is the 3... I almost created a thread about this but nah.
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Spoiler:
And of course there's my new hate-object, Phineas Filch. Just... just... uhhhh.
About the Godot hate,
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I'm rather curious about that Phineas-guy. He seems to be a pet peeve.
Also, I second your opinion about Godot, I was always convinced that something was... off, and narcissism was my first guess.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
3-5
Spoiler:
A lot of people seem to completely misunderstand or misuse the term "Mary Sue". Okay, a Mary Sue is a character who is just plain perfect. She looks great, she sounds great, she walks and talks great, everything about her is just. plain. perfect. She never makes any mistakes and even if she did manage to end up doing some kind of faux pas, it is always forgotten within a minute and never brought up again or held against her.
Mary Sue originally came from Original Characters, because they were so overdone. Yes, there have been Mary Sue-ish girls in official stories, which is why they are called Canon Sues. Heck, the Mary Sue character has been separated into various tropes of its own: Check here if you want to know more.
Iris is not a Mary Sue. She makes mistakes, she acknowledges that she made them and that they had consequences. And a Mary Sue would never agree to take any part in a fake kidnapping heist or anything like that. Iris is modeled to be a Yamato Nadeshiko - a Japanese stereotype of women. Dark hair, very polite speech and behavior, shy and submissive, gladly helps others, even to a fault. So yeah, she may be annoying but she is not a Mary Sue.
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CatMuto wrote:
Iris is not a Mary Sue. She makes mistakes, she acknowledges that she made them and that they had consequences
Most of Iris' "mistakes" are portrayed as kind acts of a poor cute girl trying to believe in her sister or acts of someone who is simply trying to avoid the worst case scenario by doing something less bad. (3-5)
Summarizing, in the end of the day, Iris is praised even for her mistakes.
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Most of Iris' "mistakes" are portrayed as kind acts of a poor cute girl trying to believe in her sister or acts of someone who is simply trying to avoid the worst case scenario by doing something less bad. (3-5)
Summarizing, in the end of the day, Iris is praised even for her mistakes.
Summarizing, in the end of the day, Iris is praised even for her mistakes.
Word, word, word.
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dangerousoffender wrote:
Most of Iris' "mistakes" are portrayed as kind acts of a poor cute girl trying to believe in her sister or acts of someone who is simply trying to avoid the worst case scenario by doing something less bad. (3-5)
Summarizing, in the end of the day, Iris is praised even for her mistakes.
Honestly, I was kind of surprised that we actually got to see her get punished for her actions. Somehow, it feels like we were supposed to think "She still helped her sister even though it was her sister who got her seperated from the family, what a kind person". And it would be kind if said sister wasn't... well... evil.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Honestly, I was kind of surprised that we actually got to see her get punished for her actions. Somehow, it feels like we were supposed to think "She still helped her sister even though it was her sister who got her seperated from the family, what a kind person". And it would be kind if said sister wasn't... well... evil.
Uh... exactly where did you get that idea from? Iris and Dahlia never got separated from the family by their own free will. Their father took them from Kurain when he left their mother, he was the one who left Iris at Hazakurain and took Dahlia with him.
If at all, you should blame the father.
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EDIT: Found it!
Dahlia:
My sister was a nuisance, so
I convinced my father to leave
her at an old temple.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
I meant when Dahlia stayed with her father and Iris went to Hazakurin, I recall something about Dahlia convincing her father to send Iris there.
EDIT: Found it!
Dahlia:
My sister was a nuisance, so
I convinced my father to leave
her at an old temple.
EDIT: Found it!
Dahlia:
My sister was a nuisance, so
I convinced my father to leave
her at an old temple.
Ah, yes she did say that... wait, was it mentioned how old the girls were when they were taken?
But even so, Iris seems perfectly content with living in Hazakurain. She says she's happy living her, she loves Bikini like a mother. So yeah... Dahlia always sucked at making her plans work out.
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CatMuto wrote:
Iris is not a Mary Sue. She makes mistakes, she acknowledges that she made them and that they had consequences. And a Mary Sue would never agree to take any part in a fake kidnapping heist or anything like that. Iris is modeled to be a Yamato Nadeshiko - a Japanese stereotype of women. Dark hair, very polite speech and behavior, shy and submissive, gladly helps others, even to a fault. So yeah, she may be annoying but she is not a Mary Sue.
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Dahila is the only character in the whole series I hate (Some of the murders are my favorite characters, for the record).
She is the only one I even remotely dislike.
But it's not like she's unnecessary or bad design, or something like that.
I just hate her character.
She's just so... mean.
Spoiler: Dahila
She pretty much ruined Godot's life, and cares nothing about anyone but herself, including her sister, mother, and especially father.I just hate her.
I can like Matt, Manfred, or Morgon.
But.
Not.
Dahila.
Wright 
worth. 
That is all.
worth. That is all.
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Oh, almost forgot. She can be a total bitch with her whip, pardon my language, and that fuels some hatred in me.
However, I had changed my mind about her on GS3, despite the fact that she's still annoying with her whip.
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While someone like Dahlia has a backstory to go off of, he has none, so it's never explained why he acts the way he does and it's just makes me feel empty. I really would love to know how he got those scars too, but again, never explained.
There is no redeemable quality about him, and with no backstory to sympathize with, he is just awful.
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And so is Hotti.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Sal is disgusting. And so is Hotti.
And so is Hotti.Yes. Hotti. And Stickler and Lance Armano. Tonight I will dream about Wocky, Sal, Stickler, Lance, Hotti, Spark and Filch trying to seduce me. If I let myself be seduced in the dream I will never be myself again. Deeply traumatized, years of counseling required.
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Matt Engarde.
While someone like Dahlia has a backstory to go off of, he has none, so it's never explained why he acts the way he does and it's just makes me feel empty. I really would love to know how he got those scars too, but again, never explained.
There is no redeemable quality about him, and with no backstory to sympathize with, he is just awful.
While someone like Dahlia has a backstory to go off of, he has none, so it's never explained why he acts the way he does and it's just makes me feel empty. I really would love to know how he got those scars too, but again, never explained.
There is no redeemable quality about him, and with no backstory to sympathize with, he is just awful.
Really? I think it's the opposite.
I feel no sympathy for Dahlia, she did evil things - failed at them at times, too - and I do not think her backstory is anything I should see as excusing or explaining things. Then again, I absolutely despise Sympathetic Villains, especially if the reasons seem stupid or come out of nowhere.
I think, that's what I sort of liked about Matt. Yeah, he's a complete asshole. But you know what, that's okay. Because there are people in the world who are just plain assholes for being assholes. There doesn't have to be a reason, sympathetic or otherwise, for it.
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CatMuto wrote:
I think, that's what I sort of liked about Matt. Yeah, he's a complete asshole. But you know what, that's okay. Because there are people in the world who are just plain assholes for being assholes. There doesn't have to be a reason, sympathetic or otherwise, for it.
That's what I like about him as well, he does the things he does just because he can, he even admitted as much himself. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
I think, that's what I sort of liked about Matt. Yeah, he's a complete asshole. But you know what, that's okay. Because there are people in the world who are just plain assholes for being assholes. There doesn't have to be a reason, sympathetic or otherwise, for it.
That's what I like about him as well, he does the things he does just because he can, he even admitted as much himself. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
I agree with the two of you. There's no need for a tragic backstory and whatnot. Him being a "blank sheet" is much more interesting in my opinion.
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Thane wrote:
I've reached the conclusion that 5-5 is, in my opinion, the worst case in the main series. While 2-3 is boring and confusing and 4-3 makes no sense, 5-5 is just an utter disaster in both logic and structure, and it tries too hard to be an epic finale even though the twists are lackluster to say the least.
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sumguy28 wrote:
Thane wrote:
I've reached the conclusion that 5-5 is, in my opinion, the worst case in the main series. While 2-3 is boring and confusing and 4-3 makes no sense, 5-5 is just an utter disaster in both logic and structure, and it tries too hard to be an epic finale even though the twists are lackluster to say the least.
This isn't the thread you're looking for.
I was just on my way to edit my post. How embarrassing...
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Turner Grey, because of the things he did to Ini/Mimi Miney , one of my favorite characters.
, one of my favorite characters.Wait, why hate him for that? I mean... yes, he worked her hard. Tough love, that's what a job is. It's exhausting at times and all. So? It's still she who mixed up the drugs and accidently killed those patients.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
I think, that's what I sort of liked about Matt. Yeah, he's a complete asshole. But you know what, that's okay. Because there are people in the world who are just plain assholes for being assholes. There doesn't have to be a reason, sympathetic or otherwise, for it.
That's what I like about him as well, he does the things he does just because he can, he even admitted as much himself. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
It makes him ten times scarier, because there's no reason, he just does what he does and so he'd never stop. There was no goal to be reached.
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MaskedMeans wrote:
and he lacked any real personality other than absolute repulsiveness
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I just flat out hate her.
I never liked her characterization (or to me LACK there of in my opinion) and her character is just unpleasant in general. I never once felt an ounce of sympathy or gratitude that she showed up or helped with something.
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shippersdreamer wrote:
Out of all the characters I can't stand the most, it's Franziska
I just flat out hate her.
I never liked her characterization (or to me LACK there of in my opinion) and her character is just unpleasant in general. I never once felt an ounce of sympathy or gratitude that she showed up or helped with something.
I just flat out hate her.
I never liked her characterization (or to me LACK there of in my opinion) and her character is just unpleasant in general. I never once felt an ounce of sympathy or gratitude that she showed up or helped with something.
Wow, I thought I was the only one who never really liked her. I don't HATE her to the extent that you do, I just don't really like her. The whip thing was kinda cool at first, but it got old faster than mayonnaise left out in the sun. I think it would be funny if someone actually showed pleasure from getting whipped, but that never happened. One thing I cannot stand is people who refuse to acknowledge their own failures, and she's one of them, calling her first lost case a "sham" even though she lost fair and square. I also found her habit of repeating the word "fool" over and over within one sentence to be annoying. It would be okay if she simply had a habit of calling people fools, but when she repeats the word 8 times within one !#@!@$! sentence, it is just annoying.
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dimentiorules wrote:
shippersdreamer wrote:
Out of all the characters I can't stand the most, it's Franziska
I just flat out hate her.
I never liked her characterization (or to me LACK there of in my opinion) and her character is just unpleasant in general. I never once felt an ounce of sympathy or gratitude that she showed up or helped with something.
I just flat out hate her.
I never liked her characterization (or to me LACK there of in my opinion) and her character is just unpleasant in general. I never once felt an ounce of sympathy or gratitude that she showed up or helped with something.
Wow, I thought I was the only one who never really liked her. I don't HATE her to the extent that you do, I just don't really like her. The whip thing was kinda cool at first, but it got old faster than mayonnaise left out in the sun. I think it would be funny if someone actually showed pleasure from getting whipped, but that never happened. One thing I cannot stand is people who refuse to acknowledge their own failures, and she's one of them, calling her first lost case a "sham" even though she lost fair and square. I also found her habit of repeating the word "fool" over and over within one sentence to be annoying. It would be okay if she simply had a habit of calling people fools, but when she repeats the word 8 times within one !#@!@$! sentence, it is just annoying.
I agree with you on the whole 'fool' thing, and the closest thing we got was someone CATCHING her whip, but I agree with what you said. Franziska refuses to acknowledge she lost to Phoenix, and she whipped him so much he passed out from the pain, that's what really sealed the deal about jumping off the Franziska ship.
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I think it would be funny if someone actually showed pleasure from getting whipped,
I enjoyed seeing people getting whipped... that doesn't count?
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GoingforMiles wrote:
I think Calisto at least said "That sounds fun" or something like that when Franziska threatened to whip her?
Yes!
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CatMuto wrote:
Quote:
I think it would be funny if someone actually showed pleasure from getting whipped,
I enjoyed seeing people getting whipped... that doesn't count?
That sounds more like a Sadist xD
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