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Trucy and Apollo are grouped under Gramaryes, given certain blood relations.
I did think about making Apollo clearer though, I just wanted to keep it brief.


Aaaah etc.

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This reminds me, I had a headcanon, not about the in-series world, but about the game in general. Everything I didn't like about GS4 is the result of Phoenix's inclusion in the game.
Apollo didn't get enough character development? Phoenix.
Trucy somehow catches on to some things faster than Apollo but in other places acts like she just doesn't care about thinking? Phoenix.
The relations between Klavier and Krisotoph didn't leave an emotional impact? Phoenix.
Ema never got enough focus to be something other than a snackoo eater? Phoenix.
Phoenix? Phoenix.


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We really need a sarcasm button for posts... :ron:

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*sigh* I don't know, time-traveling Blue Badger is a crazy theory that goes against the explanation which was provided canonically.


It's a crazy theory that fits perfectly into the AA World with its law system. I fail to see the problem~ :edgey:

Now, now. The only time-traveling agents in this universe are ghosts with superpowers. Therefore, the Blue Badger is actually a ghost manipulating the Chief Detective, thus he "created" the Blue Badger, and that's why he's always on the computer playing games and watching soap operas.

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This reminds me, I had a headcanon, not about the in-series world, but about the game in general. Everything I didn't like about GS4 is the result of Phoenix's inclusion in the game.
Apollo didn't get enough character development? Phoenix.
Trucy somehow catches on to some things faster than Apollo but in other places acts like she just doesn't care about thinking? Phoenix.
The relations between Klavier and Krisotoph didn't leave an emotional impact? Phoenix.
Ema never got enough focus to be something other than a snackoo eater? Phoenix.
Phoenix? Phoenix.

I always thought it was a beautiful parallel to Takumi's opinion of those who forced him to write in a character he was about finished with at the time.
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Now you're just playing around. No, time-traveling doesn't fit perfectly, especially if there's another explanation that is canon.


We really need a sarcasm button for posts... :ron:

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Of coooourse this comment isn't sarcastic.
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Here's one of my more... insane headcanon: Gregory Edgeworth is Mia and Maya's father, and in the same vein, Misty Fey is Miles' mother. Note how neither Mia and Maya's father nor Edgeworth's mother are ever mentioned. Gregory got together with Misty, and due to the fact that the fey clan doesn't like men, Gregory and Misty's marriage couldn't last, so Gregory left the village and took their son Miles with him. It also explains why Misty was so quick to agree to channel Gregory; he was her husband after all, and she wanted to solve the mystery of his death. This make Miles, Mia, and Maya siblings.
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It's kind of a well-known headcanon. Can't see it happening myself, though.
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Here's one of my more... insane headcanon: Gregory Edgeworth is Mia and Maya's father, and in the same vein, Misty Fey is Miles' mother. Note how neither Mia and Maya's father nor Edgeworth's mother are ever mentioned. Gregory got together with Misty, and due to the fact that the fey clan doesn't like men, Gregory and Misty's marriage couldn't last, so Gregory left the village and took their son Miles with him. It also explains why Misty was so quick to agree to channel Gregory; he was her husband after all, and she wanted to solve the mystery of his death. This make Miles, Mia, and Maya siblings.


Well, Maya mentioned her father had died when she was little, so technically, Gregory could fall into that category. However, the issue with this theory is the part about Gregory sticking around Kurain until conceiving Maya with Misty. If Gregory and Miles left the village only after Maya was born--or even as early as she was conceived--then that leaves several years for Mia to create memories of a father and brother. Considering Phoenix's connection to Miles, I don't think that's something she would have kept secret for too long.

Also, it's not that the Fey clan doesn't like men. The men lack spiritual power in a place that thrives on spiritual power and they feel left out.
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Here's one of my more... insane headcanon: Gregory Edgeworth is Mia and Maya's father, and in the same vein, Misty Fey is Miles' mother. Note how neither Mia and Maya's father nor Edgeworth's mother are ever mentioned. Gregory got together with Misty, and due to the fact that the fey clan doesn't like men, Gregory and Misty's marriage couldn't last, so Gregory left the village and took their son Miles with him. It also explains why Misty was so quick to agree to channel Gregory; he was her husband after all, and she wanted to solve the mystery of his death. This make Miles, Mia, and Maya siblings.


Well, Maya mentioned her father had died when she was little, so technically, Gregory could fall into that category. However, the issue with this theory is the part about Gregory sticking around Kurain until conceiving Maya with Misty. If Gregory and Miles left the village only after Maya was born--or even as early as she was conceived--then that leaves several years for Mia to create memories of a father and brother. Considering Phoenix's connection to Miles, I don't think that's something she would have kept secret for too long.

Also, it's not that the Fey clan doesn't like men. The men lack spiritual power in a place that thrives on spiritual power and they feel left out.

I don't think Mia was familiar with Miles and Phoenix's relations, so she wouldn't have reason to bring it up.

But the biggest issue with this theory is in the character's faces. They don't look alike at all, and we can't chalk it up to the art style.
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But the biggest issue with this theory is in the character's faces. They don't look alike at all, and we can't chalk it up to the art style.


Well yes and no. It is possible that Mia took a lot after her mother and Miles after his father. That's one way to explain things, although there is the theory (or proof?) that the first child, whichever gender, generally takes more after the father...

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Still, I honestly don't think Gregory would abandon his children and wife over not having spiritual power. That's just petty, and "petty" doesn't fit his character at all.
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But the biggest issue with this theory is in the character's faces. They don't look alike at all, and we can't chalk it up to the art style.


But people don't need to look alike to have a biological relationship, parents pass on different sets of genes to each child. It is not that uncommon for full siblings to look completely different.

Regarding this theory, it's technically possible (there's nothing in the story denying it), but I doubt the writers even thought about it.

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Well, you know, a lot is technically possible =P It's just a matter of how likely a headcanon actually is.

Going back on-topic...

I like to think that Yuri Cosmos's theme is an actual track from the "HAT-1 Miracle" movie and also Clay's ringtone =P
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Sierra Mikain wrote:
dimentiorules wrote:
Here's one of my more... insane headcanon: Gregory Edgeworth is Mia and Maya's father, and in the same vein, Misty Fey is Miles' mother. Note how neither Mia and Maya's father nor Edgeworth's mother are ever mentioned. Gregory got together with Misty, and due to the fact that the fey clan doesn't like men, Gregory and Misty's marriage couldn't last, so Gregory left the village and took their son Miles with him. It also explains why Misty was so quick to agree to channel Gregory; he was her husband after all, and she wanted to solve the mystery of his death. This make Miles, Mia, and Maya siblings.


Well, Maya mentioned her father had died when she was little, so technically, Gregory could fall into that category. However, the issue with this theory is the part about Gregory sticking around Kurain until conceiving Maya with Misty. If Gregory and Miles left the village only after Maya was born--or even as early as she was conceived--then that leaves several years for Mia to create memories of a father and brother. Considering Phoenix's connection to Miles, I don't think that's something she would have kept secret for too long.

Also, it's not that the Fey clan doesn't like men. The men lack spiritual power in a place that thrives on spiritual power and they feel left out.

I don't think Mia was familiar with Miles and Phoenix's relations, so she wouldn't have reason to bring it up.


Well, Phoenix did talk about needing to save someone more than once. Mia might not have known who that person was initially, but she would have caught on eventually, especially in between spirit channelings. I'm just thinking something about Miles would have seemed familiar when she returned to the living world, if she'd had that many years with him as a child.

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But the biggest issue with this theory is in the character's faces. They don't look alike at all, and we can't chalk it up to the art style.


But people don't need to look alike to have a biological relationship, parents pass on different sets of genes to each child. It is not that uncommon for full siblings to look completely different.


This is true. When my brother and I go out in public, people assume we're married. We look NOTHING alike, but looking at old photos, it's clear we come from the same family.
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Crap, I just realized a minor flaw in my own headcanon. How would Mia not recognize Edgeworth in 3-4? They don't seem to recognize each other. Actually, they might simply not recognize each other because it's been so long, but I think Mia, with her intelligence, would be at least a bit suspicious simply due to his name. And yes, I know it's weird that I'm poking holes in my own headcanon, but like I said, it's just a minor flaw that can be explained. I have to reveal the entire truth! :edgeworth:
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Well, she also didn't recognize Dahlia, who was her cousin, but my best guess would be that they just didn't spend a lot of time together.

The biggest flaw in this headcanon though, would be Maya's and Mia's father dying in an accident

Still, I don't see Edgeworth as a Fey, nor Mia and Maya as Gregory's daughters, nor Gregory just leaving them because he doesn't have power. To me it's just a big no. xD
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Well, she also didn't recognize Dahlia, who was her cousin, but my best guess would be that they just didn't spend a lot of time together.

The biggest flaw in this headcanon though, would be Maya's and Mia's father dying in an accident

Still, I don't see Edgeworth as a Fey, nor Mia and Maya as Gregory's daughters, nor Gregory just leaving them because he doesn't have power. To me it's just a big no. xD


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But the biggest issue with this theory is in the character's faces. They don't look alike at all, and we can't chalk it up to the art style.


Well yes and no. It is possible that Mia took a lot after her mother and Miles after his father. That's one way to explain things, although there is the theory (or proof?) that the first child, whichever gender, generally takes more after the father...

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Theoretically, it's 50-50. Realistically, it's not so even, but given the numerous factors of genetic inheritance, it's difficult to determine which genes are more dominant, if either one is dominant.

In any case, as different as siblings can be, their faces still would hold some similarities. And when it comes to drawing anime-like characters who are siblings, the clearer the similarities the better. Otherwise, they're assumed to be completely unrelated, and these design artists know how to diversify their art.

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Well, she also didn't recognize Dahlia, who was her cousin, but my best guess would be that they just didn't spend a lot of time together.

The biggest flaw in this headcanon though, would be Maya's and Mia's father dying in an accident

Still, I don't see Edgeworth as a Fey, nor Mia and Maya as Gregory's daughters, nor Gregory just leaving them because he doesn't have power. To me it's just a big no. xD


Was it specified that Misty's husband died in an accident? I thought it was just said he died while Maya was young.

It's the latter. Maya never brought up how her father died, so she probably just heard about it; from whom, who knows? Maybe Mia, maybe her mother. If Gregory was her father, she or at least Mia would have tied his death to the incident. Instead, it's simply left off on the side as something unimportant.
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That would be unnatural anyway, given the fact how Edgeworth didn't know Maya was Misty's daughter, you know? Also, Maya recalls her father dying, not leaving the village, so I don't see how their father could be Gregory, or anyone living in the city.

To be honest, I don't know, it just seems obvious that they aren't related that way to me, I'm just having trouble finding support for it. xD

Huh, I like to think that Manfred von Karma, Marvin Grossberg, the Judge and Wendy Oldbag were involved in a same case, which would be also Manfred's and Grossberg's first case.

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Well it happens that a mother tells the kids the father died rather than left. And the brain is pretty manipulative, Maya could've made a false memory of "Oh yeah I do recall he died..." *shrug* Not that I support this theory, just saying it could have merit if you look at it from the right angle.

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Misty told her daughters their father died.

Then, their father died. :will:
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Misty told her daughters their father died.

Then, their father died. :will:

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This very loosely fits in this thread but I suppose since Mia and Phoenix never had an official relationship, it can be applied as headcanon (and this thread got dirty before)

It was brought up to me the other day that if you pose the following question to any Ace Attorney fan:
"If Phoenix and Mia were in a dominant-submissive relationship, who would be the dominant and who would be the submissive?"

Every single fan of the series will answer that Phoenix is the submissive. I thought it was pretty funny
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This very loosely fits in this thread but I suppose since Mia and Phoenix never had an official relationship, it can be applied as headcanon (and this thread got dirty before)

It was brought up to me the other day that if you pose the following question to any Ace Attorney fan:
"If Phoenix and Mia were in a dominant-submissive relationship, who would be the dominant and who would be the submissive?"

Every single fan of the series will answer that Phoenix is the submissive. I thought it was pretty funny


It's funny 'cuz it's probably true xD
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This very loosely fits in this thread but I suppose since Mia and Phoenix never had an official relationship, it can be applied as headcanon (and this thread got dirty before)

It was brought up to me the other day that if you pose the following question to any Ace Attorney fan:
"If Phoenix and Mia were in a dominant-submissive relationship, who would be the dominant and who would be the submissive?"

Every single fan of the series will answer that Phoenix is the submissive. I thought it was pretty funny


I was about to say that I didn't picture it (not that I can see them having a romantic or sexual relationship, but if) the other way around, just to be different or something, but then I realized... no. It can't be. Naturally Phoenix would be the submissive part.
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A few headcanons regarding DL-6:

  • Detective in charge of the case was Tyrell Badd. Not hard to imagine how he felt about Gregory's death after GK2-3.
  • Identity of "Elise Deauxnim" was a part of the witness protection program - after all, the incident went unsolved, so the killer was still on the loose.
  • Godot learned about Misty Fey's whereabouts from Badd, who kept contacting her from time to time as a part of said program.

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A few headcanons regarding DL-6:

Detective in charge of the case was Tyrell Badd. Not hard to imagine how he felt about Gregory's death after GK2-3.

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Also...

-Shigaraki contributed to Yogi becoming an outcast. Those people who vandalized his home and shouted "murderer!" at him on the street? Shigaraki wasn't exactly a bystander

-Elise's books have characters that are based off of Mia and Maya. No wonder Pearls loves them so much; they're based off of Mystic Maya, her favorite person in the world
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So many sad ones :sadshoe:

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One more thing

Gregory and Badd knew each other and while they weren't exactly friends, they definitely respected each other quite a bit. However, in I-4, while Badd does mention that he hates Von Karma, he doesn't mention Gregory at all even though his son is there. There are two answers to this

1. The writers didn't know they'd have Badd and Gregory meet in the next game (the probable answer)
2. Badd did know it was Gregory's son

If you look at it through situation 2, I-4 becomes a WAAAAAAAY better case (and it's way more satisfying when Badd finally respects Edgeworth at the end). I-5 has a nice moment as well since Badd gives Gregory's son the evidence to end the corruption of the smuggling ring. Badd's motivations for becoming the Yatagarasu are also way deeper since he didn't only feel the corruption from KG-8, but IS-7 as well. He was probably haunted by the guilty verdict

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We could say at the start of I-4 he suffered from a Shigaraki syndrome - you know, von Karma traitor and all that. It would be less severe though.

Considering that, I can kind of tolerate "corrupt" Miles and Franziska praising Badd for being "considerate", just a little bit. ...Still no excuse for praising Gumshoe like that though.
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What did happen to Badd anyway? I always he was assumed he was arrested and jailed but the wiki doesn't really say anything about that. Shigaraki calls him "Mr. Badd" instead of "Detective Badd" so was he just fired?
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Yeah, he lost his job (actually, pretty much resigned) after Turnabout Ablaze. Since then, he's not detective anymore, if memory serves.
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Dick Gumshoe died sometime between the flashback segment of 4-4 and 4-1. I mean, can you come up with any other explanation for why he's never appeared, or even mentioned, since then? Edgeworth appeared in GS5, yet Gumshoe, who's always seen with Edgeworth in any case he's in, is nowhere to be seen.
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Get out, pal. Such a theory will never be accepted on my watch.

(I just disagree, no worries.)
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Dick Gumshoe died sometime between the flashback segment of 4-4 and 4-1. I mean, can you come up with any other explanation for why he's never appeared, or even mentioned, since then? Edgeworth appeared in GS5, yet Gumshoe, who's always seen with Edgeworth in any case he's in, is nowhere to be seen.

I could run this into an entire theory.
But it'd probably be a better fit over at the crack theory thread, so I'll post it there.

EDIT: Actually, I just realized that the crack theory thread is 'too crack-y' for what I'm thinking. It's more of what TV Tropes would call an Epileptic Tree. So let's climb this one.

Cue Music: 'Trance Logic'
Spoiler: What may have happened to Gumshoe; contains DD spoilers
Since Apollo Justice takes place about a year before Dual Destinies, it's possible that the Phantom had already taken Bobby Fulbright's place before AJ. We didn't know of this because Apollo would always run into Ema as the detective, until 5-2.

Anyway. Gumshoe's usually a bit slow on the uptake, but he's had his flashes of brilliance before (even if it was just good timing). Perhaps he noticed that 'Fool Bright' was acting a bit strange. 'Fool Bright', in turn, noticed that Gumshoe noticed that he was acting a bit strange.

To cover his butt, 'Fool Bright' took out someone who could blow his cover. You know, make it seem like he died in the line of duty or something... Even if it was lovable ol' Gumshoe. :sadshoe:

(And it's plausible that 'Fool Bright' slipped for a moment, because let's be honest. For being such an 'amazing' spy, he really kinda sucks at it.)


But hey, it's just a theory. I don't want to think about Gumshoe being dead either, pal!
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Dick Gumshoe died sometime between the flashback segment of 4-4 and 4-1. I mean, can you come up with any other explanation for why he's never appeared, or even mentioned, since then? Edgeworth appeared in GS5, yet Gumshoe, who's always seen with Edgeworth in any case he's in, is nowhere to be seen.

I could run this into an entire theory.
But it'd probably be a better fit over at the crack theory thread, so I'll post it there.

EDIT: Actually, I just realized that the crack theory thread is 'too crack-y' for what I'm thinking. It's more of what TV Tropes would call an Epileptic Tree. So let's climb this one.

Cue Music: 'Trance Logic'
Spoiler: What may have happened to Gumshoe; contains DD spoilers
Since Apollo Justice takes place about a year before Dual Destinies, it's possible that the Phantom had already taken Bobby Fulbright's place before AJ. We didn't know of this because Apollo would always run into Ema as the detective, until 5-2.

Anyway. Gumshoe's usually a bit slow on the uptake, but he's had his flashes of brilliance before (even if it was just good timing). Perhaps he noticed that 'Fool Bright' was acting a bit strange. 'Fool Bright', in turn, noticed that Gumshoe noticed that he was acting a bit strange.

To cover his butt, 'Fool Bright' took out someone who could blow his cover. You know, make it seem like he died in the line of duty or something... Even if it was lovable ol' Gumshoe. :sadshoe:

(And it's plausible that 'Fool Bright' slipped for a moment, because let's be honest. For being such an 'amazing' spy, he really kinda sucks at it.)


But hey, it's just a theory. I don't want to think about Gumshoe being dead either, pal!

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dimentiorules wrote:
Alonso Swift wrote:
dimentiorules wrote:
Dick Gumshoe died sometime between the flashback segment of 4-4 and 4-1. I mean, can you come up with any other explanation for why he's never appeared, or even mentioned, since then? Edgeworth appeared in GS5, yet Gumshoe, who's always seen with Edgeworth in any case he's in, is nowhere to be seen.

I could run this into an entire theory.
But it'd probably be a better fit over at the crack theory thread, so I'll post it there.

EDIT: Actually, I just realized that the crack theory thread is 'too crack-y' for what I'm thinking. It's more of what TV Tropes would call an Epileptic Tree. So let's climb this one.

Cue Music: 'Trance Logic'
Spoiler: What may have happened to Gumshoe; contains DD spoilers
Since Apollo Justice takes place about a year before Dual Destinies, it's possible that the Phantom had already taken Bobby Fulbright's place before AJ. We didn't know of this because Apollo would always run into Ema as the detective, until 5-2.

Anyway. Gumshoe's usually a bit slow on the uptake, but he's had his flashes of brilliance before (even if it was just good timing). Perhaps he noticed that 'Fool Bright' was acting a bit strange. 'Fool Bright', in turn, noticed that Gumshoe noticed that he was acting a bit strange.

To cover his butt, 'Fool Bright' took out someone who could blow his cover. You know, make it seem like he died in the line of duty or something... Even if it was lovable ol' Gumshoe. :sadshoe:

(And it's plausible that 'Fool Bright' slipped for a moment, because let's be honest. For being such an 'amazing' spy, he really kinda sucks at it.)


But hey, it's just a theory. I don't want to think about Gumshoe being dead either, pal!

A game theory! Thanks for watching!

Dangit, now I went and re-read the whole thing in his voice!
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I think it might be more Ghost Trick headcanon that Ace Attorney, but if there is a crossover I like to think that Ghost Trick takes place around the same time as Dual Destinies does.

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Which would also place the flashback around the time of the first game - in both games exactly ten years passed, after all.

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