the fact the only difference between snow from 5 years ago and the one from now is he has a beard should have been a huge tip off for me.
he looks younger in present day for crying out loud.

Really though I loved it.

You're welcome Carlyveer ;o)

I'm also proud of it being my second guess for the villain after Maya. This and COI are two games were I guessed the villain right...you people better get ready for Wagahai to be the villain in DGS 2.

imo the villain wasn't that great. The reveal and all was fantastic,but I felt he wasn't that threatening for some reason. Mainly because he kept banging his head against the deck. Took away all the scariness by making him a weenie.

Also I'm disappointed that the gold star was just the final evidence to make Erol happy I thought that was gonna be super important

as i said earlier i think it was supposed to mirror brisbane in case 3.
they both seem threatening but when they don't get their way they both have temper tantrums. erol even says he and hemlock are preety much the same.

While that's true,it still makes him underwhelming and loses him a lot of cool point


Plus this may be controversial but I preferred Alba's confrontation in some ways to this

This is all first case stuff. Snow's first magatama has the delay, but the voice clip eventually plays. I tested Vincenzo on several statements and his voice/timing just doesn't seem to work.

What was the point of the flashback at the end of case three? Sure,it gave us a better understanding of case four,but I honestly think it would've benefited Case four to remove it completely,as Phoenix doesn't know a thing about it. It's kind of pointless in hindsight.

On a much more serious note,how was What is Love NOT the credits music?! YOU PROMISED US CARDY HOW COULD YOU

I'd argue the exact opposite. It sets the scene for case 4 in so many ways. The overall way the sequence was set up neatly shows you that there is a dude plotting some evil shit in the background, it ties in to case 1's flashback case, establishes Renwick as someone you could ultimately relate to (and ultimately helps understand the things he's done by the time the reveals in case 4 come around), and overall shows connections between some other characters just enough that you can appreciate it and understand it later down the line. It also helps speed things along when Renwick and Greisen are laying things out for you - you already know these things happened, you're just being given the proper context to help piece it together. That's kinda what makes it so great honestly. It's "show don't tell" at its best and given that all that aforementioned context is given at the height of case 4, having all of these things told to the player without knowing a damn thing about them would've needed more explaining and more exposition for the player to really understand, which would've screwed the pacing. It in no way hurts case 4.

Overall, for me, it's actually one of the best endings to a case and one of the reasons I like case 3 so much.

So much this. Case 3 personally isn't my favorite (just because of how it's set up as a precursor to case 4) but the flashback was absolutely necessary.

In a nutshell:
Renwick arrived for a typical midnight planning session with Brisbane, but with a file he compiled on all the information on Hemlock he could discreetly collect, including a picture. When Brisbane saw the picture and realised who he really was, he changed the meeting time to 5:00 AM as he needed time alone to think. Hemlock heard all this through the Grapevine instance on Brisbane's phone and realised Renwick's betrayal. He contacted Renwick and ordered him to go the 5:00 AM meeting for the sole purpose of bring the enigmium back. Oh and wear this mask while you're at it for no reason at all.

At 4:30, Hemlock entered through the back door and tried strangling Brisbane, who broke free and prepared to fight him. Not expecting this, Hemlock goes for several blows to the temples which knock Brisbane out. He knew of Brisbane's haemophilia which was why he wanted to avoid bloodshed, but this was an unexpected change. He laid the jacket underneath him and pummeled him to near-death out of sheer anger. Then he moved the body and jacket full of blood to the cabinet and hid in the house himself for Renwick's arrival. Renwick entered in the mask, noticing no sign of Brisbane but no signs of foul play, took the enigmium off the desk and left. Morag Weever, who Hemlock knew would be leaving her house at this time, saw him leave in the mask and heard his voice. She suspected he was up to no good solely because of the mask.

With him gone, Hemlock brought the body and jacket back out, and painted the crime scene with his blood, creating bloody handprints and pools of it everywhere before lying Brisbane's body in it, thinking he'd killed him. With the same blood-covered hands he dialled 911 on Brisbane's phone and imitated him to ensure Renwick's suspicion. Then he trashed the room to simulate that a huge fight had gone down, then left.

Renwick left the enigmium off at the designated drop-off point for Hemlock to collect and went home, bewildered. Then a couple hours later the police show up.

Thanks for such a detailed explanation! Reading your answer made me remember some details I had forgotten (such as the fact that Brisbane and Renwick did meet at midnight, and the fact that Renwick first took the Enigmium and then left it at a drop-off point). Guess I'm too used to the Dangan Ronpa case review thingy that occurs at the end of each trial. And again, congrats!

Why the heck is this called Contempt of Court anyway?

At least CoI had it somewhat in the semifinal case. This....I don't think the words 'contempt of court' were ever said in the whole thing.

That's the thing though, after shaking and such no voice clip plays for Vincenzo at all. I tested this for all shouts on the first testimony. I'm not sure if it's only for that testimony or not, but I wanted to let you know.

After replaying the game over and over again, there's a few things I'm confused about.
1. Was it ever explained why Brisbane made Snow dig around in Phoenix's office? I thought it was the to get the Bluecorp document on Vulper, but I'm not sure.
2. Was it ever explained why Snow's stiletto dagger was on his desk? I don't remember it being brought up in case 4.
3. Why did Renwick support Brisbane's argument against Snow in case 3, especially when he brings up the irrelevant dagger? Wouldn't Renwick side with Snow considering he knew he was Hemlock and that he has the power to make his life a living hell if he ever crossed him?
4. Digging around in case 3's files, I found a background named bvictims.png, which lists known Boogeyman victims. I don't remember it ever being used in case 3, nor did some of the names on list match up with the names on the note Greisen gives you in case 4.

After replaying the game over and over again, there's a few things I'm confused about.
1. Was it ever explained why Brisbane made Snow dig around in Phoenix's office? I thought it was the to get the Bluecorp document on Vulper, but I'm not sure.
Half yes half no. I don't know myself why I had that happen, it was so long ago and I only intended Scapegoat to be a standalone and my skills back then weren't as refined. I guess you could say Brisbane sent Snow to check out the lawyer that was defending Vinnie, but I honestly wish I could go back and rectify why this happened xD I'll remaster the first two cases anyway so I may get rid of that scene altogether or at least explain it.

2. Was it ever explained why Snow's stiletto dagger was on his desk? I don't remember it being brought up in case 4.
That was part of a scrapped idea I had for the crime, where Snow didn't use the dagger itself but used its scabbard to stab Docks, then that was gonna be hidden in the table cavity. Kinda hard to go back and change something that's already released lol.

3. Why did Renwick support Brisbane's argument against Snow in case 3, especially when he brings up the irrelevant dagger? Wouldn't Renwick side with Snow considering he knew he was Hemlock and that he has the power to make his life a living hell if he ever crossed him?
Although he was trying to keep up appearances, he was plotting with Brisbane to get Snow sentenced for the crime as this was their chance. I guess he was two-timing but in a way where he wouldn't look suspicious, however thanks to Nick, Snow was acquitted.

4. Digging around in case 3's files, I found a background named bvictims.png, which lists known Boogeyman victims. I don't remember it ever being used in case 3, nor did some of the names on list match up with the names on the note Greisen gives you in case 4.
Because Case 3 and 4 were initially to be fused into one huge case (hence that Part 1 White as Snow that now means nothing), some of Case 4s files may be in Case 3s folder and vice versa. I got rid of most but I had a feeling some would still be around.

This time, I didn't write a whole lot of text. These are just some thoughts about the case that I'm writing after I've finished it. (I just got done writing a paper so I was not in the mood to always keep a word file up while playing.)

First of all, the villain was great. Who he turned out to be made sense and didn't come out of nowhere. The sense that he was omniscient and omnipresent was very well done and had its climax when talking to Renwick in the last investigation (and figuring out who Hemlock was all along).

On that note, I like how it pretty much went downhill with how intimidating Hemlock was from there. He ended up being a boss who had henchmen. Sure, he was really talented and able to pick up skills extremely quickly, but he made mistakes and had some anger issues. This is something some people might not like, but I feel like that's the point. Now that Hemlock is something tangible, now that he's been given a face and is not some "idea" anymore or some ever present feeling that permeates the case, he is just some threatening guy with goons that we had to take down somehow.

Hemlock wasn't a genius who did everything on his own because he was so smart. He had people working for him and needed help. And he did not understand that he could lose that control any moment. That's why he ended up being taken down by people throwing finger puppets at him. In the end, he was just some cunt.

Oh yeah, by the way, I regret not having presented Maya as the mastermind. I should have known you put some easter egg in, you memester. I probably thought I'd have another chance to do it in the last trial but the reveal ended up happening in the investigation already. (Is there a video of what happens or some other quick way of looking at the scene?)

Schaden Freude's picture in his office along with the "Renwick customer" line in the second half of the case makes me think you like referencing the bosses of Reynholm Industries. (Although that Renwick customer line is from some other movie, it is uttered by the same actor)

I'm disappointed you never ended up using that "mah boi" sound file that is (or used to be?) in the game's files. One of Schaden Freude's poses do remind me of good old King Harkinian.

I love how interconnected the cases are, to a point where the final case was hard at times because I didn't remember some details from earlier cases. It was alright, though. I did use the walkthrough a lot this time, but I didn't feel like playing the actual game a lot; I just wanted to see the story. (Sorry.)

Having said that, I was waiting to use that gold star somehow to a point where, when I had to give Brisbane a reward somehow, a "finally!!!" burst out and I presented it quicker than anything else I've ever presented. His laugh was worth the wait. He redeemed himself in my eyes. I actually thought the gold star would either be a bug or something (but maybe you had the game's characters give you random objects just so the player can have many theories about who Hemlock is and how he knows everything) OR that you would use the gold star to somehow block out the signal that would blow everyone up.

Oh yeah, the explosive thing. I was really hoping it wouldn't come down to luck, but the line about the word "dteonate" having saved us all actually changed my mind in that regard. That was really funny. It also further cements that Hemlock is not as threatening (and not even as smart) as he seemed to be. I would say it was a risky move on your end. I'm sure a lot of people won't like that they all just got lucky. I am absolutely fine with it, however.

For a few moments I thought we would somehow have to prove that Vulper didn't even kill Crane or Grossberg and that he was actually a good guy all along. Maybe that's just me liking Vulper too much.

About Vulper and Hemlock: You like writing childish villains, don't you?

Right now I can't think of anything more but maybe I'll tell you some other thoughts I have later. So much for being concise, huh?

I loved the game and I've been with you ever since Scapegoat finished. How long has it been? A million years? Thank you for everything. You've created something truly great.

I like how you got what I was trying to do with Hemlock, pretty much to a T. He WAS meant to be proof that no matter how much you try, you'll never have total control over your life. No one's perfect no matter how much you try to make that happen.
I was toying with another idea for the failed explosive, and I was starting to think I should've gone with that one but I'm happy you liked what I did go with.
Also "in the end he was just some cunt" is the best description of Hemlock I've read.

I actually altered the game so that EVERYBODY has something to say if you present the star to them. Im glad you knew immediately what to show Brisbane at the end!

As for the Maya Easter egg, I'm not sure a video of it exists online yet. What I can suggest is adding the line "script sceneXXfreudetestimony3" (I can't remember the scene number) to intro.txt right after the first couple of lines. then add "goto easteregg" at the very top of the freudetestimony3 script. Should take you right there.

While I still like CoI's villain better, I do think Hemlock is a good character on his own right. As over-the-top as he is, I always keep in mind that he has OCD, so you can't really ask for the guy to be all too subtle once he's exposed. He's supposed to be delusional, so it cost him that much.

I like how in the TVTropes page it says that some people guessed that Snow was Hemlock but others got it wrong and guessed him to be Greisen,Vinny,and the evil Mayo

So does that mean I'm both groups?

It's kinda weird to think that, if Phoenix had failed to defend Snow in Case 3, then that would've essentially been the end of Hemlock.

Oh yeah, I edited that. Originally it said Maya, Vincenzo, and Barrows, but I only saw one person ever guess Barrows, so I changed that to Greisen, a more popular guess. Most people had more than one suspect as to whom Hemlock was, so the groups aren't mutually exclusive. Still found it funny how they took the Maya theories completely seriously.

Holy crap Hemlock is literally just The Phantom from Dual Destinies. How did that feel when you played through it the first time?

Cardiovore decided on Hemlock ever since Haunted. It's probably a coincidence.