Case 4's name

Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:36 am

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Last night, I was thinking about the case names in JFA, and I realized that I never quite understood why case 4's name wasn't the same as the others. Farewell, my Turnabout is named completely differently than the standard "Turnabout <whatever>, when it hit me, the name of the case was based on Raymond Chandler's "Farewell, my Lovely"... which I'm reading right now, so I don't quite yet understand why the reference is there, or even if I'm correct, or if this is already completely public knowledge and making this post will end me. [In my defense, all relevant searches came up blank >_>]

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Re: Case 4's name

Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:18 am

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Could be a reference to the Celeste/Matt affair.

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:58 am

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I kept thinking of "Farewell, my Concubine" o-o.

Personally I thought it would have been a reference to Franziska for what she almost did near the end, or Phoenix because he "lost" the case.

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Re: Case 4's name

Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:25 am

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It may be in reference to the fact that, even though he was doing his hardest, Phoenix was, with so much pressure from all sides - the prosecution, de Killer, Engarde, Adrian, etc. - and with Maya's kidnapping, he was on the brink of simply giving up. I got that vibe too when I first played Farewell, My Turnabout. It's almost as if Phoenix were to fail or continue that he would simply give up and say "Farewell, my turnabout. I hardly knew ye." It may also be a closing title like how AA1's "Turnabout Goodbyes" title was.

That's what I think, anyway. It's sketchy but it's the best explanation I can come up with at the moment.

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Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:36 pm

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I finished the book, and I think I can answer the question:

Raymond Chandler's detective novels follow a general trend: "Marlowe gets hired to help Person A, by looking into Corrupt Event B, Person A ends up being really corrupt, worse than whatever caused Event B."

However, Farewell, My Lovely, takes this to a new level, where the person Marlowe gets hired by halfway through the book [to investigate a stolen something, associated with a murder], not only is highly corrupt, but stole the item from herself to play off the murder [which she committed], all to escape her past.

Very similar to Engard, in a way.

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Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:53 pm

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"The First Turnabout", "Rise from the Ashes, "The Lost Turnabout" and "Reunion, and Turnabout" weren't "Turnabout whatever" either.

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Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:41 am

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Rise from the Ashes doesnt count, cuz it's not exactly canon

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Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:08 pm

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There isn't a set standard for the names aside from the fact that they use the word "turnabout" in them. They could be named "my old turnabout" or "turnabout next", it doesn't really matter either way.

NinjasVsPirates wrote:

Rise from the Ashes doesnt count, cuz it's not exactly canon

RFtA is most certainly canon.

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Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:53 pm

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Turnabout Farwell wouldnt' sound right. D; That's why!

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Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:17 pm

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Blademaster_Orca wrote:

There isn't a set standard for the names aside from the fact that they use the word "turnabout" in them. They could be named "my old turnabout" or "turnabout next", it doesn't really matter either way.

NinjasVsPirates wrote:

Rise from the Ashes doesnt count, cuz it's not exactly canon

RFtA is most certainly canon.

But it was added AFTER everything else, which means it wasn't nessessary... of course, I've never played the 3 or 4, so don't spoil anything from there if it is...

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Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:50 am

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NinjasVsPirates wrote:

Blademaster_Orca wrote:

There isn't a set standard for the names aside from the fact that they use the word "turnabout" in them. They could be named "my old turnabout" or "turnabout next", it doesn't really matter either way.

NinjasVsPirates wrote:

Rise from the Ashes doesnt count, cuz it's not exactly canon

RFtA is most certainly canon.

But it was added AFTER everything else, which means it wasn't nessessary... of course, I've never played the 3 or 4, so don't spoil anything from there if it is...

You do know who's the detective in 4, right?

So in a way, "Rise from the Ashes" is canon. Sorta.

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Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:44 pm

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Macbeth wrote:

It may be in reference to the fact that, even though he was doing his hardest, Phoenix was, with so much pressure from all sides - the prosecution, de Killer, Engarde, Adrian, etc. - and with Maya's kidnapping, he was on the brink of simply giving up. I got that vibe too when I first played Farewell, My Turnabout. It's almost as if Phoenix were to fail or continue that he would simply give up and say "Farewell, my turnabout. I hardly knew ye." It may also be a closing title like how AA1's "Turnabout Goodbyes" title was.

That's what I think, anyway. It's sketchy but it's the best explanation I can come up with at the moment.

That's actually a great point. During that case you felt like the case was just gonna end, with no Turnabout. So yeah, I think it could be Phoenix saying goodbye to his chances of a Turnabout.

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Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:59 pm

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That's right... I had forgotten that Ema was the detective... but does she mention the case at all?

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Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:55 am

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As of the DS release, Rise From The Ashes was factored into the canon timeline.
That's the way I look at it, anyway..

Now back onto the main topic, I can't say I really gave it much thought. I haven't read that book but if I had to say anything, I'd probably agree with axl in saying that it's because Phoenix almost lost the case, and for that matter, almost lost Maya.