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Why doesn't Phoenix use his Magatama more? *2-3 and 2-4 spoi
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Okay I just noticed something. Yes, Phoenix uses his Magatama on his clients to ask them if they did it.
But why doesn't he just ask suspicious people like Acro, Ben and Adrian if they did it too?
It sounds weird but they'd just say "no" and then P-Lock away!
...Am I missing something? It seems a little.... obvious.
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Richard Wellington wrote:
he would but its a videogame and if you could do that then it would be way too easy.
... That's not the kind of answer I was looking for. Sorry.
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Jibo wrote:
Richard Wellington wrote:
he would but its a videogame and if you could do that then it would be way too easy.
... That's not the kind of answer I was looking for. Sorry.
then...oh I know
doesn't think about using the Magatama that way!
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Gerkuman wrote:
It picks up on secrets. Therefore, their other secrets must be more important to them, and that's what it picks up on. Besides, Acro wasn't suspicious to him at first, and:
Spoiler: Justin Case (3-3, 3-4)
Yes I know that. But you think he'd check you know? Like he did with Max...
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Jibo wrote:
Richard Wellington wrote:
he would but its a videogame and if you could do that then it would be way too easy.
... That's not the kind of answer I was looking for. Sorry.
Unfortunately, you really aren't going to find a better answer than that.
Most things about the magatama don't make sense. It's there for gameplay purposes and plot convenience. That's all.
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Apeman1813 wrote:
I mean, if Phoenix were to go up to the murderer and ask "Did you kill him" one of two things would happen: either Phoenix becomes the next target or the murderer flees the country and both would conclude with his client being found guilty.
No, anybody can ask a harmless question like that and anyone can lie in return without any form of "OMG! He's onto me!" reation. Spoiler:
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Jibo wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
I mean, if Phoenix were to go up to the murderer and ask "Did you kill him" one of two things would happen: either Phoenix becomes the next target or the murderer flees the country and both would conclude with his client being found guilty.
No, anybody can ask a harmless question like that and anyone can lie in return without any form of "OMG! He's onto me!" reation.How would like to be called a murderer? On top of that, how liked to be asked that question if you were the murderer? And I would assume that it would be obvious that Phoenix would be on to them if he asked it. Also, considering how some the murders in the Ace Attorney are spur of the moment and not thought out at all I would think it'd be the question that gets Phoenix killed.
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Jibo wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
I mean, if Phoenix were to go up to the murderer and ask "Did you kill him" one of two things would happen: either Phoenix becomes the next target or the murderer flees the country and both would conclude with his client being found guilty.
No, anybody can ask a harmless question like that and anyone can lie in return without any form of "OMG! He's onto me!" reation.How would like to be called a murderer? On top of that, how liked to be asked that question if you were the murderer? And I would assume that it would be obvious that Phoenix would be on to them if he asked it. Also, considering how some the murders in the Ace Attorney are spur of the moment and not thought out at all I would think it'd be the question that gets Phoenix killed.
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Jibo wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
Jibo wrote:
No, anybody can ask a harmless question like that and anyone can lie in return without any form of "OMG! He's onto me!" reation.
How would like to be called a murderer? On top of that, how liked to be asked that question if you were the murderer? And I would assume that it would be obvious that Phoenix would be on to them if he asked it. Also, considering how some the murders in the Ace Attorney are spur of the moment and not thought out at all I would think it'd be the question that gets Phoenix killed.
For the record, Max and Matt were both his own clients and were both in detention cells which seems to be the safest place to ask someone seeing as there's a camera, safety glass separating them from Phoenix, and police around there. Can you point out anyone else by chance?
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Apeman1813 wrote:
Jibo wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
How would like to be called a murderer? On top of that, how liked to be asked that question if you were the murderer? And I would assume that it would be obvious that Phoenix would be on to them if he asked it. Also, considering how some the murders in the Ace Attorney are spur of the moment and not thought out at all I would think it'd be the question that gets Phoenix killed.
No, he asks both Max and Matt in a casual "Louis Theroux". Besides there are other ways around it, such as asking them if they knew who the murderer was. It's all about how you say it.... rather than screaming "Did you kill him?!" into their face.For the record, Max and Matt were both his own clients and were both in detention cells which seems to be the safest place to ask someone seeing as there's a camera, safety glass separating them from Phoenix, and police around there. Can you point out anyone else by chance?
What? So are you saying that asking someone that simple question which they can just say no to puts Phoenix in danger?
Spoiler: Keep in mind..
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Jibo wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
Jibo wrote:
No, he asks both Max and Matt in a casual "Louis Theroux". Besides there are other ways around it, such as asking them if they knew who the murderer was. It's all about how you say it.... rather than screaming "Did you kill him?!" into their face.
For the record, Max and Matt were both his own clients and were both in detention cells which seems to be the safest place to ask someone seeing as there's a camera, safety glass separating them from Phoenix, and police around there. Can you point out anyone else by chance?
What? So are you saying that asking someone that simple question which they can just say no to puts Phoenix in danger?
Spoiler: Keep in mind..
Yes, I'm saying it would make more sense for Phoenix to ask that question in a safe place. Plus he asked his clients because he wants to trust them and make sure they aren't the real murderers.
Spoiler: In response to your spoilers
Anyways, if Phoenix were to just go around asking "Did you kill him" (in one way or another) he wouldn't really get any of his evidence to actually convict the killer.
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You need to think about this more scientifically! :P
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I Always Hated the Magatama, It was an Annoying Add on. But Im gunna have to live with it
To be honest, I kinda think the same way. All psyche locks are is just a flashy presentation of interrogating a witness. If you ever replay case you'll see a familiar phase of questioning without psyche locks at the end of the last investigation day with Lana.
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He would still have to work it out and go through the court battling...because even if he knows who did it, he can't prove it based on the magatama alone. 'Only he can see these Psyche-Locks'.
And the best way to ask, yes, would be 'do you know who the murderer was?' and if Psyche Locks appear, to know to investigate that person and their role and their knowledge further.
But yes, that would take a lot of the fun/work out of the game for us. :D
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The magatama is actually pretty unreliable. Sometimes it only seems to respond to very specific questions, and sometimes a broken pscyhe lock doesn't mean the person is now telling the truth. I've never liked it much, either. It could be that Phoenix tries not to depend on it for the same reason he never asks Maya to channel the victims: you still can't trust the answer.
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If you were a murderer, and you'd just been manipulated into admitting that, what would be your first move? Bear in mind that the murders were quite often spontaneous decisions and that Phoenix is usually only with Maya, Ema or Pearl. Phoenix, while he can break down a door, isn't exactly fighter supreme, as well as Maya and Ema. Pearl, while shown as being pretty strong (for a young girl) is also small. The murderers are generally full-grown, so it wouldn't be to hard for them to overpower and murder them.
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Spoiler: Case 2 Magatama
Spoiler: Case 3 Magatama
Spoiler: Case 4 Magatama
I think the magatama only works when someone is being vague. Outright lies and faking a personality are not caught, it's only when they're being elusive!
Spoiler: Elusive Quotes vs. Direct Lies
- "I wasn't doing anything in the hall, Mr. Wright, but you can guess..." LOCKS!
- "My aunt? Involved with this? What makes you think that, Phoenix?" LOCKS!
- "Did I kill him? No! Was I involved in the murder? Hmmm..." LOCKS!
- "I really don't want to spill the beans on this big scoop..." LOCKS!
- "I promised Acro not to tell... I really don't wanna say..." LOCKS!
- "I was... discussing my salary! Really." LOCKS!
- "My injury was more than likely an acrobatic mishap, wouldn't you think?" LOCKS!
- "My relationships are not relevant to this case. In any matter, I don't have any." LOCKS!
- "I don't think I want to tell you this juicy info, because there's nothing in it for me..." LOCKS!
- "I preformed the Spirit-Severing technique." Nothing.
- "I was sleeping! I had an allergic reaction to the sesame seeds," or anything about her sister. Nothing.
- "Yes... ho... hum... I am the director." Nothing.
- "Miss Maya, there is a phone call for you in the lobby." Nothing.So, the magatama can only detect subtle lies that can be proven wrong with the right evidence. But strong lies, lies that are solid and planned, cannot be. You cannot "prove" some things, but you can prove others.
Phew, that was a lot of typing.
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Well, it kinda ruined the fun of finding things out when the secrets were so obviously exposed.
But then, sometimes I do like it.
I dunno =/
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Spoiler: Keep in mind..
Think about it this way..Von Karma was in the Criminal Affairs department and Phoenix and Maya were still assaulted when they revealed they were onto his plot. Or how about how Dee Vasquez almost had them both killed even though people were still at the studio. If someone is capable of murder, it probably isn't the smartest idea to test their 'ability' further.
Besides, there's a lot of weird things about the Magatama. It doesn't pick up any lies during court...but then the game wouldn't be as fun then.
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Phoenix Wright has a really bad history of accusing people of crimes and presenting evidence.
Spoiler: Phoenix Wright 1 Spoilers
I know people have pointed out that the true murderers in PW2 were in little position to kill, but I think Phoenix will want to avoid directly showing evidence to whom he believes is the true murderer. It's dangerous.
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thats stupid of phoenix. His job is to find the real killer.
His job is to defend his client. In theory, he should be able to do that without finding the real murderer. That's not how it works out in the PW world but still, the police should be looking for the real murderer!
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Your examples (Moe, Ben, Acro and Adrian) were simple to explain.
Moe- Had nothing to hide
Ben- Nothing to hide
Acro- Hard one. Phoenix probably though Acro could not have done it, after all. So he didn't ask. But, also, I think the Magatamacan't pick up on things unless it is directly said to thier faces.
Adrian- Had only the framing to hide.
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Jibo wrote:
Apeman1813 wrote:
I mean, if Phoenix were to go up to the murderer and ask "Did you kill him" one of two things would happen: either Phoenix becomes the next target or the murderer flees the country and both would conclude with his client being found guilty.
No, anybody can ask a harmless question like that and anyone can lie in return without any form of "OMG! He's onto me!" reation. Spoiler:
Adrian is not in case 2. She is only in Case 4.
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Even if he did ask the murderer, outright or sneakily, whether or not they did it, doesn't mean that it would be any easier for his case. He'd need evidence, and besides! What if he gets a psyche-lock from someone who only knows who the murderer is?
You need to think about this more scientifically! :P
You need to think about this more scientifically! :P
You do need evidence even if they tell you because as seen in case 4 of Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney in the ACTUAL COURTROOM IN FRONT OF THE
the real killer Vazquez says I did kill but you have to PROVE IT! That couldnt really happen in real life because it would be a confession but we are talking Phoenix Wright laws.
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Croik wrote:
It's because Phoenix is an airhead.
The magatama is actually pretty unreliable. Sometimes it only seems to respond to very specific questions, and sometimes a broken pscyhe lock doesn't mean the person is now telling the truth. I've never liked it much, either. It could be that Phoenix tries not to depend on it for the same reason he never asks Maya to channel the victims: you still can't trust the answer.
The magatama is actually pretty unreliable. Sometimes it only seems to respond to very specific questions, and sometimes a broken pscyhe lock doesn't mean the person is now telling the truth. I've never liked it much, either. It could be that Phoenix tries not to depend on it for the same reason he never asks Maya to channel the victims: you still can't trust the answer.
What ever happened with those psyche locks that Mia had? There were alot of them.
"Argument is meant to reveal the truth, not to create it"
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Phil wrote:
Spoiler: Keep in mind..
Think about it this way..Von Karma was in the Criminal Affairs department and Phoenix and Maya were still assaulted when they revealed they were onto his plot. Or how about how Dee Vasquez almost had them both killed even though people were still at the studio. If someone is capable of murder, it probably isn't the smartest idea to test their 'ability' further.
Besides, there's a lot of weird things about the Magatama. It doesn't pick up any lies during court...but then the game wouldn't be as fun then.[/quote]
It doesnt pick up lies in court because you have to have a direct conversation. In court you are cross-examining.
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