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Miss Prince wrote:
I don't particularly support either P/E or P/I, but I would point out that Larry doesn't say Phoenix was hurt; he says Phoenix "took a really nasty spill." Personally, the first image that pops into my head at that is Phoenix falling off his bike and breaking a wrist or something; not exactly panic-inducing. Not a big deal, but the phrasing does make it more reasonable that Edgeworth wouldn't inquire further -- I would never think that "took a really nasty spill" meant "fell off a bridge into a raging river." Combine that with Larry's tendency to overreact and there you have it.
Thank you, Miss Prince. I agree entirely.
EDIT: I said this earlier, but apparently it went unnoticed. Not to take away from your spotlight, Miss Prince. This was worded in a bad manner.
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And let's not forget that Larry doesn't even say the word "hurt."
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Alright, let me focus on the second half of your post downwards.
Edgeworth is controlled, I shall give you that. But he did panic, however brifely. Or perhaps panic isn't the right word. Perhaps shocked is a better word? Here's proof:
He did panic. However, Edgeworth is one of those people who can take control of their feelings extremely quickly, and so he does becuase he knows he needs to make rational deicisions in such a situation. He quells the feelings of fear and worry inside of himself in order to do what he needs to. Also (In response to your "Also"), you musn't forget that it was 3 AM, and Edgeworth is not the kind of person to show such feelings openly, especially not to one such as Larry, who would easily tease him. It may have been instinct (The kind of person he is and the pain he's been through) that kept worry or panic at bay, or it may have been tiredness. I myself find it very hard to care very much about anything at 3 AM.
Edgeworth is controlled, I shall give you that. But he did panic, however brifely. Or perhaps panic isn't the right word. Perhaps shocked is a better word? Here's proof:
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Edgeworth: Wh-What...!? What happened!? Tell me!
He did panic. However, Edgeworth is one of those people who can take control of their feelings extremely quickly, and so he does becuase he knows he needs to make rational deicisions in such a situation. He quells the feelings of fear and worry inside of himself in order to do what he needs to. Also (In response to your "Also"), you musn't forget that it was 3 AM, and Edgeworth is not the kind of person to show such feelings openly, especially not to one such as Larry, who would easily tease him. It may have been instinct (The kind of person he is and the pain he's been through) that kept worry or panic at bay, or it may have been tiredness. I myself find it very hard to care very much about anything at 3 AM.
His actions and words are thought out as well as rational. If his mind is so clouded by his exhaustion, why then does he launch into action so quickly? Also, as you yourself pointed out, he does react rather strongly by this point (its just not panic). His mind is clear enough to ask for details and then quickly dismiss Larry when he realizes (really quickly) that he isn't going to get anything from him, so that he can get moving. Shouldn't all this have taken longer to process in his mind if his reaction time was being suppressed by his tiredness? At the very start of the conversation, he seems to have a pretty good idea what is going on despite the early morning.
Edgeworth: ...Yes? Edgeworth speaking...
Butz: Edgey! Get up! It's an emergency!
Edgeworth: ...Huh? Larry...? Do you know what time it is?
He recognizes Larry immediately despite the fact that he wasn't expecting to hear from him and despite the fact that Larry doesn't introduce himself. Of course he knows its Larry from the use of the nickname, but picks up on that nuance really quickly considering Larry is probably the last person he would expect to hear from. Even if he is tired, his mind is clearly functioning well enough to be able to figure things out quickly and respond accordingly (and was even awake enough to scold Larry for calling him so early), so why don't we get more of a reaction when he's been talking longer and should therefore be more awake? Also, it still doesn't explain why he doesn't even attempt to inquire into Phoenix's being hurt. Even if he's tired, a quick question to double check that the man he loves is still in one piece doesn't exactly take a lot of time and effort. Larry can overreact, but that doesn't mean there is no value to his words. So for all Edgeworth knows, Phoenix could be in pain because of some accident, yet his first reaction is to try and hurry Larry off the phone. Does he not care that the person he loves may be in pain or is his beauty sleep simply more important then his love? That just doesn't fit with Edgeworth's character at all. Also, love is a very strong emotion and I can't believe he'd be able to simply roll over and go to sleep with the possibility that Phoenix could be in pain still existing if he felt such an emotion for Phoenix. As for not showing his feelings to Larry, Larry is nearly beside himself with panic and would have been unlikely to have picked up on anything from Edgeworth (And again we're on the point that if he panics then he should not be worried about anyone's reaction as the panic would overrule everything even temporarily. There is nothing in his reaction to indicate more than worry and surprise at hearing that is friend is in serious trouble). Larry's also clearly completely preoccupied with his own thoughts when he calls Edgeworth and you can hear it in the call so Edgeworth would be able to hear it as well (Besides Larry is self-centered by nature so while he's upset over something, he's unlikely to concern himself with anyone else's reactions. Think about the times he's whining over some girl. Does he seem to think about anyone's reactions, but his own? No, he's more concerned about his own pain and Edgeworth knows this about him), so Larry's reaction would not factor in here.
@ Miss Prince- True, but he also claims its an emergency. It would take Edgeworth only half a minute to find out about this spill, but he doesn't. If he were truly in love, wouldn't he spare half a minute of beauty sleep to make sure Larry was simply overreacting? As I said, Larry tend to be hyper and overreact, but that doesn't mean his words have no merit. Edgeworth doesn't know what the "spill" was or why this is an emergency. Besides, if Phoenix was okay, why doesn't he stop Larry from calling? They were clearly together at some point since Larry knows about the accident, but if he just took a fall off his bike, why then doesn't he dust himself off and tell Larry to stop being stupid? A half a minute to make sure Larry is just being goofy isn't a lot and it doesn't make sense that he doesn't even try to inquire into things.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
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Alright, let me focus on the second half of your post downwards.
Edgeworth is controlled, I shall give you that. But he did panic, however brifely. Or perhaps panic isn't the right word. Perhaps shocked is a better word? Here's proof:
He did panic. However, Edgeworth is one of those people who can take control of their feelings extremely quickly, and so he does becuase he knows he needs to make rational deicisions in such a situation. He quells the feelings of fear and worry inside of himself in order to do what he needs to. Also (In response to your "Also"), you musn't forget that it was 3 AM, and Edgeworth is not the kind of person to show such feelings openly, especially not to one such as Larry, who would easily tease him. It may have been instinct (The kind of person he is and the pain he's been through) that kept worry or panic at bay, or it may have been tiredness. I myself find it very hard to care very much about anything at 3 AM.
Edgeworth is controlled, I shall give you that. But he did panic, however brifely. Or perhaps panic isn't the right word. Perhaps shocked is a better word? Here's proof:
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Edgeworth: Wh-What...!? What happened!? Tell me!
He did panic. However, Edgeworth is one of those people who can take control of their feelings extremely quickly, and so he does becuase he knows he needs to make rational deicisions in such a situation. He quells the feelings of fear and worry inside of himself in order to do what he needs to. Also (In response to your "Also"), you musn't forget that it was 3 AM, and Edgeworth is not the kind of person to show such feelings openly, especially not to one such as Larry, who would easily tease him. It may have been instinct (The kind of person he is and the pain he's been through) that kept worry or panic at bay, or it may have been tiredness. I myself find it very hard to care very much about anything at 3 AM.
His actions and words are thought out as well as rational. If his mind is so clouded by his exhaustion, why then does he launch into action so quickly? Also, as you yourself pointed out, he does react rather strongly by this point (its just not panic). His mind is clear enough to ask for details and then quickly dismiss Larry when he realizes (really quickly) that he isn't going to get anything from him, so that he can get moving. Shouldn't all this have taken longer to process in his mind if his reaction time was being suppressed by his tiredness? At the very start of the conversation, he seems to have a pretty good idea what is going on despite the early morning.
Edgeworth: ...Yes? Edgeworth speaking...
Butz: Edgey! Get up! It's an emergency!
Edgeworth: ...Huh? Larry...? Do you know what time it is?
He recognizes Larry immediately despite the fact that he wasn't expecting to hear from him and despite the fact that Larry doesn't introduce himself. Of course he knows its Larry from the use of the nickname, but picks up on that nuance really quickly considering Larry is probably the last person he would expect to hear from. Even if he is tired, his mind is clearly functioning well enough to be able to figure things out quickly and respond accordingly (and was even awake enough to scold Larry for calling him so early), so why don't we get more of a reaction when he's been talking longer and should therefore be more awake? Also, it still doesn't explain why he doesn't even attempt to inquire into Phoenix's being hurt. Even if he's tired, a quick question to double check that the man he loves is still in one piece doesn't exactly take a lot of time and effort. Larry can overreact, but that doesn't mean there is no value to his words. So for all Edgeworth knows, Phoenix could be in pain because of some accident, yet his first reaction is to try and hurry Larry off the phone. Does he not care that the person he loves may be in pain or is his beauty sleep simply more important then his love? That just doesn't fit with Edgeworth's character at all. Also, love is a very strong emotion and I can't believe he'd be able to simply roll over and go to sleep with the possibility that Phoenix could be in pain still existing if he felt such an emotion for Phoenix.
First, allow me to explain myself concering the part about Edgeworth "not showing his feelings." He would not have to done it conciously. I... have been through a very horrible and life-changing tragedy, much like Miles. As a result, I tend to hide certain feelings from my close friends and family, most of the time without realizing it until later. It's a mechanism of self-defense used by the soul. I know that although you may not belive me, it makes sense in my mind for Edgeworth to react in such a manner as myself, along with many others I'm sure we are unaware of. Just like to clarify that.
Note that I did not say his mind was clouded from exhaustion. All I said is that I find it very hard to care about anything at 3 AM. He was awake enough to think clearly, but too tired to care much about things.
And I am afraid I must clarify another thing. This time it is about my feelings on the P/E pairing. I should have done this a long time ago, I realize that, but please bear with me. I don't believe that Phoenix and Edgeworth have been in any sort of passionate loving relationship in any of of the games so far. All I believe is that major potential is there. I don't expect Edgeworth to be passionately in love with Phoenix in 3-5. I don't expect them to be "in love" at all. All I expect them to be is good friends to each other. At least so far.
Also, what you're saying against the P/E pairing could also be used against them being friends. It could be used to say that Edgeworth doesn't care about Phoenix in the least bit. I'm not saying that that's what you're trying to say. All I'm saying is that although we may never know why Edgeworth said what he said, but they do care about each other.
Mia_Fey, I would like to thank you for debating with me. However, I must get to bed, and I probably won't be back tomorrow. You are a wonderful debater. As good as Mu. Just because I don't believe in your cause doesn't mean I can't respect you, and I do. So, 'night!
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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
Mia_Fey, I would like to thank you for debating with me. However, I must get to bed, and I probably won't be back tomorrow. You are a wonderful debater. As good as Mu. Just because I don't believe in your cause doesn't mean I can't respect you, and I do. So, 'night!
You are far too kind. Thank you so much for the wonderful compliment. I would also like to thank you for the wonderful debate and I'm glad that you seem to have enjoyed it as much as I did. You are quite talented at debating and you have a great attitude about it. This was fun.
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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
Miss Prince wrote:
I don't particularly support either P/E or P/I, but I would point out that Larry doesn't say Phoenix was hurt; he says Phoenix "took a really nasty spill." Personally, the first image that pops into my head at that is Phoenix falling off his bike and breaking a wrist or something; not exactly panic-inducing. Not a big deal, but the phrasing does make it more reasonable that Edgeworth wouldn't inquire further -- I would never think that "took a really nasty spill" meant "fell off a bridge into a raging river." Combine that with Larry's tendency to overreact and there you have it.
Thank you, Miss Prince. I agree entirely.
EDIT: I said this earlier, but apparently it went unnoticed. Not to take away from your spotlight, Miss Prince. This was worded in a bad manner.
I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
And let's not forget that Larry doesn't even say the word "hurt."
Actually, I did notice that you mentioned that. I just thought I'd call more attention to it since the discussion is getting... I don't want to say "nitpicky," as that has a bad connotation, but little things are being examined in detail, and I thought that the wording there carried a bit more significance in such a discussion.
This is fascinating to watch. Though I doubt I'll participate, since all the pairings I have any vested interest in are crack.
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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
There's one pairing that I've never seen debated (or even mentioned for that matter), but I'd like to bring it up here to see what people think. Franzika/Godot. I know this probably isn't enough to base a pairing on, but the only time they meet, Franziska can't bring herself to whip him and whips Phoenix instead. And when I thought about their personalities today, they really seemed to fit. It would be rough at first, but maybe things would smooth out. After all, I don't support Miles/Franziska, so it's about time I paired her with a man!
Ehhh...I'm not sure what makes you think they fit. Within 5 minutes of them meeting Godot says flat out, "I hate women like you." If that doesn't kill romantic possibilities, I don't know what could!
Plus there really isn't much of an opportunity for it, given the canon events.
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Godot wrote:
Hey, Filly. Know your role, and shut your mouth. I can’t stand women like you.
Godot wrote:
Lady von Whippingberg[etc. etc.]
. I agree with Croik on this one. Godot shuts her down in memorable fashion. I also think that Godot hasn't completely gotten over 
. She's obviously gotten into his blood, even if at the end of 3-5 she's all "Oh, let it go, Diego."...That being said, I would pay hard cash to see Godot and Franziska locked in a 10x10 room for an hour. Hilarity ensues!
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P.S. Crack pairings can be fun too, so I shall continue to believe!
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Nah, it's just that Franziska has trouble dealing with other forceful personalities. Pearl and Maya shut her down, and Godot's no different.
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I <3 Edgeworth wrote:
Yeah, y'all are probably right. Still, as WA said, I'd pay to see the two of them together locked in a small room. Very hilarious.
P.S. Crack pairings can be fun too, so I shall continue to believe!
P.S. Crack pairings can be fun too, so I shall continue to believe!
... Why do I have an urge to draw that out now? xD;; Oh this crazy, procrastinating, imaginative mind of mine.
And do we have to even consider the age difference? Godot's in his thirties (he was 27 during 3-4, so he's something like 32 during the events of T&T), and Franziska is 19. As fun as this pairing would be to imagine, it's hard for me to overcome that little fact.
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Gregory Wright wrote:
: I'll concede that Adrian has the makings of a lesbian and Franziska could make a convincing "butch", but I don't think this pairing is a healthy one. Adrian has very strong codependent inclinations and these will only be reinforced by a dominatrix like Franziska. Franziska's development would also be stunted, as Adrian's worship would encourage her overbearing tendencies. Aside from the bad relational habits this pairing would encourage, there is a distinct likelihood that Franziska would eventually tire of Adrian's neediness and abandon her, leaving Adrian suicidal yet again.Oh hey. Back in the game!
"Dominatrix"? Franziska whips people, that doesn't make her a dominatrix >_>
Franziska is, above all, extremely immature emotionally; she's very childish in ways. It would take someone patient--like Adrian (or Maya)--to deal with her. Franziska, for what it's worth, seems to feel protective of Adrian and is shown (of her own accord) reaching out to her in a way she doesn't do to anybody else, not even Edgeworth. Adrian is somebody who does need, and I think that Franziska is someone who wants desperately to be needed (see: her attitude towards Edgeworth in PW2).
You are right in that it's a relationship that COULD easily go off-balance because it stems not from their strengths, but from their weaknesses. By the same token, I've known real couples that have functioned similarly and have balanced each other out. From Franziska, Adrian gets strength, and from Adrian, Franziska gets almost unconditional love and patience.
Either way, the game does go out of its way to define a bond between them, far more nebulously limited than, say, Phoenix/Maya or Edgeworth/Franziska (siblings).
ApolloJusticeRocks wrote:
When Adrain hung onto Franziska's words, it's because of her co-independency. It's not because she's so deeply in love with Franziska.
No argument there.
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I actually can't see either of them as lesbians either. Franziska has a tough nature, weilding her whip and all, but she also works hard. Adrian tried to pin a murder on Matt, even! (But it didn't matter, because he was guilty anyway.) Franziska is a cool prosecutor. Even when she leaves for Germany after the credits roll, when you catch a glimpse of the fourth peice of evidence (the card Maya drew on) she is still awesome in my book.
What... does that have to do with their sexuality? >_> I don't think Franzy is gay, I think she's not interested and really only ship them with her as "Adriansexual."
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Adrian is all around cool, but she should hang out with Matt or something.
Why would she hang out with the man she loathes above all else?
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Adrain and Franziska don't even have any personal connections between each other. 
X 
have personal connections between each other, but Adrain and Franziska don't really. I don't mean any offense to people who ship this pairing, but this is just my opinion.
X have personal connections between each other, but Adrain and Franziska don't really. I don't mean any offense to people who ship this pairing, but this is just my opinion.Sure they do. Adrian's credit lines in both PW2 and PW3 are about Franziska. "Ms. Von Karma told me I could consult her at any time if I needed anything." "I even got to see Ms. von karma whom I hadn't seen in a year! She taught me how to use a whip!"
True, they're lines in the credits, but that doesn't make them any less valid. Franziska offers to let Adrian get intouch with her if she needs anything? She comes by to offer to teach her how to use a whip? (Since I can't imagine Adrian asking her to do that) They're both Franziska honestly doing something for Adrian, and reaching out to her in a way she doesn't ANYBODY else.
Does this automatically = romance? Of course not. But there -is- a personal connection between them.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Fran also doesn't whip Pearl. We shipping Fran/Pearl now? :P
Yup. I've decided to start shipping Pearl/Franziska, after realizing what a kickass pairing it would be. I'm going to commision some fanart, write a fanfic or two and see where it goes from there.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Oh, and Mia_Fey...
....PLEASE can you use paragraphs? I'd like to read your arguments but can't because they're one giant wall of text. Please try to use paragraphs; they make it so much easier to read.
....PLEASE can you use paragraphs? I'd like to read your arguments but can't because they're one giant wall of text. Please try to use paragraphs; they make it so much easier to read.
Sorry about that.
I went back and tried to fix my posts, so hopefully they'll be easier to read now. I would also like to mention that if you decide to pick up on the debate with me (which is fine), I'm not certain I'll have much time to respond for the time being. I have a lot going on the next few weeks for school and while I love to debate, I do have to prioritize a bit. Sorry.
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{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Fran also doesn't whip Pearl. We shipping Fran/Pearl now? :P
Yup. I've decided to start shipping Pearl/Franziska, after realizing what a kickass pairing it would be. I'm going to commision some fanart, write a fanfic or two and see where it goes from there.
Oh my god CI.
I have an urge to ship Morgan/Plum.....maybe because I suggested that Plum was Morgan, who got plastic surgery.
Or perhaps Dahlia/Minami...
Wait
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Something.
Chinami....
Minami...
Dahlia
Alita................
I shall ALWAYS ship Dee/Morgan. Quick! Someone do fanart!
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Aevitas wrote:
And do we have to even consider the age difference? Godot's in his thirties (he was 27 during 3-4, so he's something like 32 during the events of T&T), and Franziska is 19. As fun as this pairing would be to imagine, it's hard for me to overcome that little fact.
Though I'm not a supporter of Godot/Fran, I just want to point out that sometimes age doesn't really matter. Fran's in her 19's... meaning if she ever went out with some clearly much older then her, then the guy won't exactly be a pedo. Then you also have young women who really, really like older men.
Just saying. *Watches as people point at my signature and icon* Errrr, I am NOT using my fandom as proof of this... nope, never! *Whistles and sneaks away*
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Gregory Wright wrote:
:Oh hey. Back in the game!
"Dominatrix"? Franziska whips people, that doesn't make her a dominatrix >_>
Franziska is, above all, extremely immature emotionally; she's very childish in ways. It would take someone patient--like Adrian (or Maya)--to deal with her. Franziska, for what it's worth, seems to feel protective of Adrian and is shown (of her own accord) reaching out to her in a way she doesn't do to anybody else, not even Edgeworth. Adrian is somebody who does need, and I think that Franziska is someone who wants desperately to be needed (see: her attitude towards Edgeworth in PW2).
You are right in that it's a relationship that COULD easily go off-balance because it stems not from their strengths, but from their weaknesses. By the same token, I've known real couples that have functioned similarly and have balanced each other out. From Franziska, Adrian gets strength, and from Adrian, Franziska gets almost unconditional love and patience.
Either way, the game does go out of its way to define a bond between them, far more nebulously limited than, say, Phoenix/Maya or Edgeworth/Franziska (siblings).
No argument there.
What... does that have to do with their sexuality? >_> I don't think Franzy is gay, I think she's not interested and really only ship them with her as "Adriansexual."
Why would she hang out with the man she loathes above all else?
Sure they do. Adrian's credit lines in both PW2 and PW3 are about Franziska. "Ms. Von Karma told me I could consult her at any time if I needed anything." "I even got to see Ms. von karma whom I hadn't seen in a year! She taught me how to use a whip!"
True, they're lines in the credits, but that doesn't make them any less valid. Franziska offers to let Adrian get intouch with her if she needs anything? She comes by to offer to teach her how to use a whip? (Since I can't imagine Adrian asking her to do that) They're both Franziska honestly doing something for Adrian, and reaching out to her in a way she doesn't ANYBODY else.
Does this automatically = romance? Of course not. But there -is- a personal connection between them.
"Dominatrix"? Franziska whips people, that doesn't make her a dominatrix >_>
Franziska is, above all, extremely immature emotionally; she's very childish in ways. It would take someone patient--like Adrian (or Maya)--to deal with her. Franziska, for what it's worth, seems to feel protective of Adrian and is shown (of her own accord) reaching out to her in a way she doesn't do to anybody else, not even Edgeworth. Adrian is somebody who does need, and I think that Franziska is someone who wants desperately to be needed (see: her attitude towards Edgeworth in PW2).
You are right in that it's a relationship that COULD easily go off-balance because it stems not from their strengths, but from their weaknesses. By the same token, I've known real couples that have functioned similarly and have balanced each other out. From Franziska, Adrian gets strength, and from Adrian, Franziska gets almost unconditional love and patience.
Either way, the game does go out of its way to define a bond between them, far more nebulously limited than, say, Phoenix/Maya or Edgeworth/Franziska (siblings).
ApolloJusticeRocks wrote:
When Adrain hung onto Franziska's words, it's because of her co-independency. It's not because she's so deeply in love with Franziska.
No argument there.
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I actually can't see either of them as lesbians either. Franziska has a tough nature, weilding her whip and all, but she also works hard. Adrian tried to pin a murder on Matt, even! (But it didn't matter, because he was guilty anyway.) Franziska is a cool prosecutor. Even when she leaves for Germany after the credits roll, when you catch a glimpse of the fourth peice of evidence (the card Maya drew on) she is still awesome in my book.
What... does that have to do with their sexuality? >_> I don't think Franzy is gay, I think she's not interested and really only ship them with her as "Adriansexual."
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Adrian is all around cool, but she should hang out with Matt or something.
Why would she hang out with the man she loathes above all else?
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Adrain and Franziska don't even have any personal connections between each other. X have personal connections between each other, but Adrain and Franziska don't really. I don't mean any offense to people who ship this pairing, but this is just my opinion.
X have personal connections between each other, but Adrain and Franziska don't really. I don't mean any offense to people who ship this pairing, but this is just my opinion.Sure they do. Adrian's credit lines in both PW2 and PW3 are about Franziska. "Ms. Von Karma told me I could consult her at any time if I needed anything." "I even got to see Ms. von karma whom I hadn't seen in a year! She taught me how to use a whip!"
True, they're lines in the credits, but that doesn't make them any less valid. Franziska offers to let Adrian get intouch with her if she needs anything? She comes by to offer to teach her how to use a whip? (Since I can't imagine Adrian asking her to do that) They're both Franziska honestly doing something for Adrian, and reaching out to her in a way she doesn't ANYBODY else.
Does this automatically = romance? Of course not. But there -is- a personal connection between them.
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SaraLily wrote:
I want to start by saying I have nothing against homosexuals. But I just think that Phoenix and Edgeworth being gay is a HUGE loss to the female population! They're so awesome!!! If they're both homosexuals, then ok, they go really well together, but I'd rather not picture Phoenix being gay...He just doesn't seem to be attracted to men anyways...Now for Edgeworth, that's another story.
I'd see Frans and Phoenix together...it seems so unusual it's cute!!!
I'd see Frans and Phoenix together...it seems so unusual it's cute!!!
I don't think the Phoenix/Edgeworth pairing would be a great hit as everyone would perceive it if they went through all the Phoenix Wright games. I do believe we had a debate about this particular pairing before. I won't post my opinions on the matter but I do suggest you look back and see the arguments for that one.
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When Adrain hung onto Franziska's words, it's because of her co-independency. It's not because she's so deeply in love with Franziska.
I've never disagreed with this. I don't think anybody's trying to argue that in the game--in case 2-4--Adrian is already in love with Franziska. Because that's simply not the case. Adrian is blown away by Franziska's strength and presence, and because of her codependency hangs onto her every word until she has no other choice in court. This isn't love, it's her mental disorder.
I--and most other people who like the pairing--view it as happening afterwards. When Adrian is no longer living under a mask, when Franziska has matured a bit. Even so, it's not "BAM they're in love." It's a progression that would have to... well, happen gradually.
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It's true Adrian only clings onto the words of others, but it could have been Edgeworth giving her advice, and she probably wouldn't fall in love with him either.
I actually wonder. It really does seem that Adrian's choice of 'strength' for her disorder... only seems to be women. I don't think she'd hang onto Edgeworth's words like she did Franziska's.
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During GS3, Franziska was teaming up with Phoenix to search for Maya at the Inner Temple. That doesn't mean that he would automatically love her because all she ever did was help him
Help him, whip him, try desperately to defeat him in court, insult him... I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue here.
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I also agree with you that she didn't help anybody else like she did with Adrain, but it doesn't really mean they could become lovers during the time that all Franziska did was give her advice.
Right, of course. Nobody's trying to argue that.
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Franziska could also have taught anybody to use a whip or lend a hand. Despite being a tough prosecutor, she also has a very caring nature. Lending a hand to people probably isn't a first for Franzy.
Er.
...I really, really, really disagree with that. Her actions towards Adrian in 2-4 are sort of used as a plot vehicle to demonstrate her developing a bit. Franziska was NOT a 'very caring' person. Even to Miles Edgeworth, her brother... her 'care' takes on a rather unique form. I really can't disagree with that statement any more than I do.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
By "Adriansexual," I mean that... well, I see Adrian as gay. But I don't see Franziska as gay or straight--I see her as largely being completely uninterested in romance, she's focused on her work. I see her ending up in a relationship with Adrian because Adrian is Adrian. That doesn't make her a lesbian, it makes her interested in Adrian.
I've never disagreed with this. I don't think anybody's trying to argue that in the game--in case 2-4--Adrian is already in love with Franziska. Because that's simply not the case. Adrian is blown away by Franziska's strength and presence, and because of her codependency hangs onto her every word until she has no other choice in court. This isn't love, it's her mental disorder.
I--and most other people who like the pairing--view it as happening afterwards. When Adrian is no longer living under a mask, when Franziska has matured a bit. Even so, it's not "BAM they're in love." It's a progression that would have to... well, happen gradually.
I actually wonder. It really does seem that Adrian's choice of 'strength' for her disorder... only seems to be women. I don't think she'd hang onto Edgeworth's words like she did Franziska's.And I don't think she'd fall in love with him because she's gay.
Help him, whip him, try desperately to defeat him in court, insult him... I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue here.
Right, of course. Nobody's trying to argue that.
Er.
...I really, really, really disagree with that. Her actions towards Adrian in 2-4 are sort of used as a plot vehicle to demonstrate her developing a bit. Franziska was NOT a 'very caring' person. Even to Miles Edgeworth, her brother... her 'care' takes on a rather unique form. I really can't disagree with that statement any more than I do.
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When Adrain hung onto Franziska's words, it's because of her co-independency. It's not because she's so deeply in love with Franziska.
I've never disagreed with this. I don't think anybody's trying to argue that in the game--in case 2-4--Adrian is already in love with Franziska. Because that's simply not the case. Adrian is blown away by Franziska's strength and presence, and because of her codependency hangs onto her every word until she has no other choice in court. This isn't love, it's her mental disorder.
I--and most other people who like the pairing--view it as happening afterwards. When Adrian is no longer living under a mask, when Franziska has matured a bit. Even so, it's not "BAM they're in love." It's a progression that would have to... well, happen gradually.
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It's true Adrian only clings onto the words of others, but it could have been Edgeworth giving her advice, and she probably wouldn't fall in love with him either.
I actually wonder. It really does seem that Adrian's choice of 'strength' for her disorder... only seems to be women. I don't think she'd hang onto Edgeworth's words like she did Franziska's.
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During GS3, Franziska was teaming up with Phoenix to search for Maya at the Inner Temple. That doesn't mean that he would automatically love her because all she ever did was help him
Help him, whip him, try desperately to defeat him in court, insult him... I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue here.
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I also agree with you that she didn't help anybody else like she did with Adrain, but it doesn't really mean they could become lovers during the time that all Franziska did was give her advice.
Right, of course. Nobody's trying to argue that.
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Franziska could also have taught anybody to use a whip or lend a hand. Despite being a tough prosecutor, she also has a very caring nature. Lending a hand to people probably isn't a first for Franzy.
Er.
...I really, really, really disagree with that. Her actions towards Adrian in 2-4 are sort of used as a plot vehicle to demonstrate her developing a bit. Franziska was NOT a 'very caring' person. Even to Miles Edgeworth, her brother... her 'care' takes on a rather unique form. I really can't disagree with that statement any more than I do.
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SaraLily wrote:
I want to start by saying I have nothing against homosexuals. But I just think that Phoenix and Edgeworth being gay is a HUGE loss to the female population! They're so awesome!!! If they're both homosexuals, then ok, they go really well together, but I'd rather not picture Phoenix being gay...He just doesn't seem to be attracted to men anyways...Now for Edgeworth, that's another story.
I'd see Frans and Phoenix together...it seems so unusual it's cute!!!
I'd see Frans and Phoenix together...it seems so unusual it's cute!!!
lolz. Miles totally likes men. Either that, or he's asexual. Scary thought. o.o
I don't really understand the Fran/Phoenix pairing... though I haven't played but the first game.
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Imagine him looking a little more like his prototype, if you must.
Now, don't change any of his other actions or information, he is still the same early-twenties young prosecutor we know and love, obsessed with his twisted notion of justice and wounded when Phoenix reveals the error of his ways. He says all the same things and has all the same reactions, the same nervosity and anxiousness, the bravado and decisiveness.
I have no answers to this, but I did imagine that some number of people would less readily to stick him into the homosexual category if he weren't a bishounen, and merely a melodramatic bastard. I realize I might be one of them.
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
Question. If Miles Edgeworth was not a clean-shaven, frilly pomp, would we be as ready to think of him as gay? Say his presentation was more that of a masculine figure like Jake Marshall or Diego Armando (or even the cleancut Neil Marshall). Give him plainer clothes, a simpler suit.
Imagine him looking a little more like his prototype, if you must.
Now, don't change any of his other actions or information, he is still the same early-twenties young prosecutor we know and love, obsessed with his twisted notion of justice and wounded when Phoenix reveals the error of his ways. He says all the same things and has all the same reactions, the same nervosity and anxiousness, the bravado and decisiveness.
I have no answers to this, but I did imagine that some number of people would less readily to stick him into the homosexual category if he weren't a bishounen, and merely a melodramatic bastard. I realize I might be one of them.
Imagine him looking a little more like his prototype, if you must.
Now, don't change any of his other actions or information, he is still the same early-twenties young prosecutor we know and love, obsessed with his twisted notion of justice and wounded when Phoenix reveals the error of his ways. He says all the same things and has all the same reactions, the same nervosity and anxiousness, the bravado and decisiveness.
I have no answers to this, but I did imagine that some number of people would less readily to stick him into the homosexual category if he weren't a bishounen, and merely a melodramatic bastard. I realize I might be one of them.
Does he still have the same office and colors?
If yes, then yes, he's still gay.
I thought his office belonged to Lana or something. I had NO IDEA it'd be his. Because I still kinda considered Miles at least somewhat straight at that point. But when he walked in the office that already quite fragile idea went out the window.
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
Question. If Miles Edgeworth was not a clean-shaven, frilly pomp, would we be as ready to think of him as gay? Say his presentation was more that of a masculine figure like Jake Marshall or Diego Armando (or even the cleancut Neil Marshall). Give him plainer clothes, a simpler suit. ....I have no answers to this, but I did imagine that some number of people would less readily to stick him into the homosexual category if he weren't a bishounen, and merely a melodramatic bastard. I realize I might be one of them.
I know plenty of fans who consdier Diego as bisexual and/or ship Jake and Neil together, so I'm pretty sure that as long as Edgeworth wasn't hideous, people would still be slashing him with Phoenix.
Come on, some of us ship Gant/Karma. Them being old and ugly and horrible people hasn't stopped us. I dare say nothing wil..... *cackle*
I mean, in the end it's just for fun anyway.
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I never understood how anybody could find Diego or Godot bisexual, though. I'm not a flamer of it but...I never saw it.
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Mr.Trite wrote:
Actually, I never really thought of him as a homosexual based on his looks, but rather his personality and the way he treats Phoenix. I can't bring myself to ship him with any other male, save for the occasional Gumshoe.
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I only read what Edgeworth says to Phoenix. Yes, his attitude makes him seem like he would never trust anybody in a relationship, leading me to at first believe that he was asexual. (Actually, part of me still believes that.)
lol no, as mentioned before, it isnt as fun to think that... but keep in mind how many people actually ARE asexual [i think it was like, 1%]. He could be just skeptic or embarassed.
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However, after the first game, I feel as thought that the bond between Edgeworth and Wright grows very strong- Something Edgeworth has never experienced before.
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his clothing just pushes people over the edge and make them believe that he's full-out gay.
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lol GP, I think you remember my explanation on that XD
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Godot Armando wrote:
/ Now see, I don't get why people are so vehemently opposed to this pair. I get like. Verbally shot at when I bring it up >__> I understand that Ron is married and all that good stuff, but keep in mind he and Dessie were only recently married. (they had to be anyway, most people don't get married until well into their 20's but Japan could be different)
If Ron wasn't married, fangirls would be all over Luke x Ron, most likely. And in other fandoms, people don't seem to care that people are married. So why are people so picky about it now? (Pokemon for example, people pair up May's mom with Ash's mom, Norman with Birch, etc)
I just wanna know why people feel like they have to be assholes over a pairing D:
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