Godots visor *spoilers*

Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:49 am

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Ok I just have to settle this once in for all. In Trials and Tribulations did they actually show Godot with his visor off. Im not talking about during the trials before he was put in a coma. Im talking about when he woke up. Did they ever show his face while he was blind. I don't think they did but my friend claims and won't stop arguing that they did show his face during trial 5 when he was stabbed in the face with the dagger. Please tell my friend hes wrong. :chinami:

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Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:52 am

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I was really hoping they would, and I was waiting for it, but unfortunately, they never did. D:

Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:03 am

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I second that. To the best I can remember (and after checking my memory against the screenshots on the CR main page), we never see Godot without the mask which was kind of disappointing.

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Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:49 am

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A good guess would be that he looks a little older, with white hair and the same color eyes. I don't like those pictures of him with grey eyes, because unless something like damaging cataracts happens, Godot's eyes should be the same color but I wouldn't know since you can't see them at any point while he has the visor. Just a guess though, cause even damaged eyes can retain their color.

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Oh, and he's partially blind and color blind to red. I think that's supposed to be better vision quality than someone who's legally blind. He can still see, he can just only see partially and can't see red. In the last case he explains the extent of his vision problems. One can also guess that from his skin color and real name, and the way he looks in case four that he is mixed blooded Hispanic/Latino and Japanese/Asian of some variation. Anyways, just thought I'd add that.

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Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:54 am

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PhoenixWrightFangirl wrote:

A good guess would be that he looks a little older, with white hair and the same color eyes. I don't like those pictures of him with grey eyes, because unless something like damaging cataracts happens, Godot's eyes should be the same color but I wouldn't know since you can't see them at any point while he has the visor. Just a guess though, cause even damaged eyes can retain their color.

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We have "Spoiler tags" to be used for spoilers. Also

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:06 am

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There's nothing stated about that in the game. Color-blindness is common. I'm guessing his vision is just poor, thus the visor, I see nothing that was stated in the game about him seeing "all red" so let's agree to disagree. I also don't know how to use a spoiler tag. How do you use it?

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Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:12 am

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PhoenixWrightFangirl wrote:

There's nothing stated about that in the game. Color-blindness is common. I'm guessing his vision is just poor, thus the visor, I see nothing that was stated in the game about him seeing "all red" so let's agree to disagree. I also don't know how to use a spoiler tag. How do you use it?

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1) Im not agreeing to that. He can be colour blind for one clear reason. He says something along the lines of "I cant see red of white" What kind of colour blindness works like that???? If you were to do what I said and hold a pair of red tinted glasses to a white sheet with red on it, The whole thing would look red, Godots visor has RED TINTED GLASS. To be honest. If you knew what I was talking about it would all make sence

2) This is what you use for spoiler tags

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Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:53 am

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I mostly agree with Balrog. Colour blindness isn't selective, unlike Godot's condition. When someone is colour blind, they percieve a certain colour as another. But Godot can see red just fine, unless it's on a white background. However, I don't think his visor is red-tinted. I've used a red-tinted lens before, and it's difficult to see any colour correctly besides red. However, Godot's only condition is that he cannot see red on a white background. I recall Godot remark at one point that he would have seen a certain red stain if it were a different colour. It probably has something to do with his visor and some chemical treatment he may have had when he woke from his coma.

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:03 am

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Color blindness varies from person to person. He may just have a very small degree of color-blindness to red. A lot of times, "color-blindness" refers to not being able to see certain shades of a color. I do think there should be a different term for it than that, but as far as I see it he cannot see red at all. I also hate those tests in books and online, because they are inaccurate, I think only the ones doctors use can actually work accurately. I clearly remember him stating that he couldn't see red, and was partially blind. I just finished playing the game recently.

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:05 am

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PhoenixWrightFangirl wrote:

Color blindness varies from person to person. He may just have a very small degree of color-blindness to red. A lot of times, "color-blindness" refers to not being able to see certain shades of a color. I do think there should be a different term for it than that, but as far as I see it he cannot see red at all. I also hate those tests in books and online, because they are inaccurate, I think only the ones doctors use can actually work accurately. I clearly remember him stating that he couldn't see red, and was partially blind. I just finished playing the game recently.

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er... you dont have to sign your posts >> And Godot HIMSELF says the only time he cant see red is on white. I dont think you know more about Godot then Godot >>

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Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:27 am

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He cannot see red. I re-watched the ending, and he directly says it. "Red does not exist in my world." Directly quoted from the last part of the game. He cannot see red. What other reason would he wear a visor? People can be color-blind and have extremely good vision. Obviously, it's a futuristic device for severe visual impairments. Honestly, if someone's been in a coma for five or more years, and survives that, it would be a bit unnatural for them to not have a severe impact on at least one of their senses. I really don't know how to use the spoiler thing, and it will not show itself on my browser, but the thread already says "spoilers." I also like signing my posts. :)

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:30 am

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Your taking everything too literally, its just meant to be poetic >>

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:41 am

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Godot wanted to be mysterious. I don't think he would choose to wear a visor for style alone. It is a sign of a visual disability that needs correction. And also it's notable that he no longer wears red. His shirt in case four is not entirely red, but he doesn't wear it anymore. He most likely just sees red as white or grey as what happens when one is color blind to a color. I enjoy taking game endings literally. It's how I enjoy them best. :)

On a different note: Does anyone agree with me that Godot is a good guy?

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:43 am

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OF COURSE HES A GOOD GUY, anyone who says ANYTHING bad about Godot is a nazi! Its a ~~rule~~ law >< Godot = #1

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:50 am

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I don't think Godot himself is color blind. I got that he was totally blind without the visor, and even with it, his color-vision was affected probably due to the red glass/lights.

I will borrow this image somebody posted in another thread like this.

After viewing something through red for a very long time, eventually the eyes become unable to see view red shades. It has to do with the color cones in your eyes. Eventually they get tired and will start to ignore the red. Lots of your senses are like this-- next time somebody is cooking at your house, see how after a while you stop noticing the smell of the food.

To try an experiment, turn out all the lights in a dark room and read a book with a red flashlight, or a light with a red film over it. After a while you'll stop noticing the light is red-- and sure enough, if you try to look at something red-on-white or white-on-red with that as your only light, it's impossible to see. (Then when you turn off the light, everything will look green to you.)

Since Godot has been seeing through the visor for about a year now since he woke up, it's no wonder he can't see red anymore.

(I definitely think he's a good guy-- but don't invoke Godwin's Law, Balrog! NOOO!)

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:20 am

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I still say he can see red >>

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:46 am

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I think the bigger question is, can he see Phoenix's tie? *Brick'd* @_x

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:08 am

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Hey, I want to try my hand at Godot Vision too!

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:21 am

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It's too bad that a mere image cannot capture Godot's mirth at that particular image. :godot:

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:41 pm

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If Godot saw everything in greyscale, the contrast of red on a white background should be no problem for him to see!! Yet he clearly states he cannot! What say you to these claims!?

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:19 pm

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He doesn't technically see in grayscale. Those images were made by going into photoshop and filtering out the green and blue layers of light-- leaving only the red. Light comes in three colors and combinations of them are needed to make all the different colors you can see. If you only have one color of light, everything is tinted that color-- and eventually the cones in your eyes get tired of seeing it and you stop noticing it.

Since Godot's visor is red, he cannot pick up anything but red lightwaves which, after a while, will look like a grayscale, due to the SCIENCE I mentioned two posts ago. And even though he cannot see the red anymore, it still will block out images of white on red and make them look blank. :notes:

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Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:36 pm

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Hm, I see what you mean. But when the blue and green layers are filtered out, the colour-scheme is similar to greyscale. However, Godot says that if the stain on the apron was another colour, he would have known what colour it was. I think your explanation is mostly correct, but there's still something else that lets Godot see all the other colours.

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:14 am

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I think the quote you mean was from 3-5.

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Then he'd be able to see it because the letters were black and not red. Notice how in the grayscale pictures, red is the only color that turns white. Phoenix's blue suit and the brown coffee are easily visible.

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:27 am

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Oh, crap. That's what he says? Dang... Two points against me... Firstly, I thought he was talking about the stain on the apron. Also, I thought he said that if the print were a different colour he'd have known. I didn't remember that he said a black & white photo of the handprint. Your theory seems feasible, yet I want to believe that Godot can still see other colours...

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:09 pm

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it like you TRYING to ruin Godot for me ;_;

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:07 pm

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Who's ruining Godot? What's so bad about him being color blind? He's still awesome, whether or not he can see in color! :godot:

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:08 pm

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He only makes a mention of not being able to see red, right?

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:35 pm

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ggmoonycrisco wrote:

Who's ruining Godot? What's so bad about him being color blind? He's still awesome, whether or not he can see in color! :godot:

But hes cooler if he can see colour, and Im sure he can, I would play though the whole game again just to prove you wrong, but I broke my DS so... >< >< >< :toaster:

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:48 pm

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VGK wrote:

He only makes a mention of not being able to see red, right?

Yes, he does. He says something about his visor still being unable to see things, and then you prove that he can't see red. Nothing is said that he can't see other colours.

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Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:45 am

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Godot never takes his visor off, and they don't show it in the game. And I should know!

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Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:32 pm

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I'm pretty sure that Godot can see other colors.... I will prove it! Um, maybe...no guarentees, okay? But I will give an effort! Mark my words, I will be triumphant in some sort of twisted way which will (hopefully) put me in a good light! Or not. I have little self-confidence, and Looney-Tunes is playing behind me, sooo...

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Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:43 pm

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Here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness

Perhaps there's something in here of relative use - however, Godot's condition is far too specific for any currently known condition listed,
but at least there are some easy-to-look at facts and figures in there to present and discuss! :godot:

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Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:29 am

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OBJECTION!

Godot is neither color-blind, nor unable to see the color red.

Due to his visor (and maybe the fact that the beams are red), he can't see the color red when its on a white background. He can see the color red just fine if its on a blue background, just not white.

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Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:33 am

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I got the impression that the visor lets him see in colour, but for whatever reason it can't pick up red wavelengths of light. The reason they make a big deal out of red on a white background is because red looks white to him. I don't think the visor is as simple as looking through a tinted lens - it's some kind of future technology and we're not supposed to know how it works.

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Re: Godots visor *spoilers*

Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:40 am

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[If you haven't beat the game yet, I have no idea why you're looking at this, but my post will have spoilers]

I'm about 99% sure they never showed him with his mask/visor off after he took the Godot persona. They probably should have made it explode off his face instead of it staying on when it exploded; it would have added more emotional and symbolic effect, since he was facing reality finally and just got done admitting that his real name was Diego Armando.

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Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:01 pm

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luckyhitmaster wrote:

[If you haven't beat the game yet, I have no idea why you're looking at this, but my post will have spoilers]

I'm about 99% sure they never showed him with his mask/visor off after he took the Godot persona. They probably should have made it explode off his face instead of it staying on when it exploded; it would have added more emotional and symbolic effect, since he was facing reality finally and just got done admitting that his real name was Diego Armando.

Why do people have doubts? He NEVER takes it off. 100% Sure. And personally I like that fact that it never comes off...

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Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:27 pm

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Well I wouldn't have wanted them to show his face if it would have ruined his bad-ass style, like Darth Vader from Star Wars. But if he would have been scarred and his eyes would have been all screwed up and it would have brought his bad-ass level up to a whole new scale that man cannot even begin to understand, then he should have been shown without the mask.

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Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:26 pm

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AHA! I have the proof!... Are we still talking about Godot? Anyway, Godot is blind without his trusty visor. He says, quite clearly, that without it he would be unable to see Phoenix's face. Hm, thanks for that link, Sebastian Shark. I'll go check that out now...

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Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:30 pm

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Hmm, interesting. It does seem that Godot suffers from some sort of color-blindness. We don't know for sure.... But, why would he need the visor, then? I think he is/was definitely blind without it.
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Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:43 pm

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^ -.-""" If he was blind the visor wouldn't help... he just could see well >>>>>>

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