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Think0028 wrote:
Deefunx wrote:
Bringing up the most important factor in this; Where was Maggey.
Granted, this is late, but Maggey had a shift coming up right afterwords: remember, she says she had the night shift, and Dustin had the day, thus why he was in his uniform. That's where she was: at work!
Maggey was going to return the phone to Wellington. Also, the only way Wellington would have killed Dustin is if Maggey was right next to him, because that's why he thought Maggey had called the police.
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SilverZephyr wrote:
Think0028 wrote:
Deefunx wrote:
Bringing up the most important factor in this; Where was Maggey.
Granted, this is late, but Maggey had a shift coming up right afterwords: remember, she says she had the night shift, and Dustin had the day, thus why he was in his uniform. That's where she was: at work!
Maggey was going to return the phone to Wellington. Also, the only way Wellington would have killed Dustin is if Maggey was right next to him, because that's why he thought Maggey had called the police.
EDIT: Huh, misremembered the case. What I THOUGHT happened was that Dustin was returning the phone since Maggey had to leave, but apparently, what happened was they both returned it, and when Maggey left for a time, Wellington killed Dustin. Which is kinda odd, since Maggey doesn't mention the fact that she, y'know, SAW the guy. Who was the WITNESS. Who had the PHONE. If she didn't see his face, then why was he worried about the cop at all? And how could she not see him at 6:28 PM in the summer?
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Think0028 wrote:
And how could she not see him at 6:28 PM in the summer?
She cooincidently broke her glasses.
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Mikker wrote:
Think0028 wrote:
And how could she not see him at 6:28 PM in the summer?
She cooincidently broke her glasses.
I thought that was between the incident and the trial, wasn't it? I recall her saying she stepped on them at home.
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So basically
just dissapears and because of this dissapearance is arrested for murder.Spoiler:
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BassForever wrote:
So basically here is how I believe the events happened
So basically just dissapears and because of this dissapearance is arrested for murder. ~Which holds no water.
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So basically
just dissapears and because of this dissapearance is arrested for murder. ~Which holds no water.Spoiler:
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Deefunx wrote:
BassForever wrote:
So basically here is how I believe the events happened
So basically just dissapears and because of this dissapearance is arrested for murder. ~Which holds no water.
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So basically
just dissapears and because of this dissapearance is arrested for murder. ~Which holds no water.Spoiler:
Comments in quote and spoiler tags.
Maggey was arrested for the crime, and what was her alibi? Well, not only did she not give one, but the evidence pointed to her. Why did she not have an alibi? Because she vanished for almost 30 minutes while the killer commited the crime, searched for his items, and then framed the name he had heard on the phone. I disagree, I believe where Maggey was at the time of the crime is highly important.
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Deefunx wrote:
Thats what I'm saying. If Maggey wasn't there, there would be no grounds at all for the murder. Maggey HAD to be present at the crime.
They arrested Maggey because of the glasses and her name on the ground. Maybe they did split up, but it is never said in the case.
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Type of cough-up: inconsistency/alternative solution.
Location: Reunion and Turnabout (JFA Case 2)
Description: Branching out about discussing that Maya is channeling a spirit, Franziska implies that Maya can gain control while still having another spirit's build, I'm surprised Phoenix didn't object to it.
Ms. Von Karma, what you've just said contradicts something the defendant mentioned prior to this case.
What!? When she channels a spirit, she has no influence on the spirit whatsoever, furthermore, she cannot gain another person's build. And while I'm at it, I wish to ask a question to Detective Gumshoe.
What do you mean pal? When police questioned the defendant, did she mention a dream at all?
How is that appropriate?
You should know, mediums of the Kurain Technique can't have dreams! Yet Maya Fey told me that she had a dream just after the channeling started! With this in mind it's impossible to give a verdict!
You mean... Mr Wright... How long have you known about this?
The nature of the channeling can prove who did or did not kill Dr Grey. The defence requests an extra day to research why and how the defendant had a dream when it's not supposed to be possible!
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Name: Knowing the technique
Type of cough-up: inconsistency/alternative solution.
Location: Reunion and Turnabout (JFA Case 2)
Description: Branching out about discussing that Maya is channeling a spirit, Franziska implies that Maya can gain control while still having another spirit's build, I'm surprised Phoenix didn't object to it.
Ms. Von Karma, what you've just said contradicts something the defendant mentioned prior to this case.
What!?
When she channels a spirit, she has no influence on the spirit whatsoever, furthermore, she cannot gain another person's build. And while I'm at it, I wish to ask a question to Detective Gumshoe.
What do you mean pal?
When police questioned the defendant, did she mention a dream at all?
How is that appropriate?
You should know, mediums of the Kurain Technique can't have dreams! Yet Maya Fey told me that she had a dream just after the channeling started! With this in mind it's impossible to give a verdict!
You mean... Mr Wright... How long have you known about this?
The nature of the channeling can prove who did or did not kill Dr Grey. The defence requests an extra day to research why and how the defendant had a dream when it's not supposed to be possible!
Type of cough-up: inconsistency/alternative solution.
Location: Reunion and Turnabout (JFA Case 2)
Description: Branching out about discussing that Maya is channeling a spirit, Franziska implies that Maya can gain control while still having another spirit's build, I'm surprised Phoenix didn't object to it.
Ms. Von Karma, what you've just said contradicts something the defendant mentioned prior to this case. What!? When she channels a spirit, she has no influence on the spirit whatsoever, furthermore, she cannot gain another person's build. And while I'm at it, I wish to ask a question to Detective Gumshoe. What do you mean pal? When police questioned the defendant, did she mention a dream at all? How is that appropriate? You should know, mediums of the Kurain Technique can't have dreams! Yet Maya Fey told me that she had a dream just after the channeling started! With this in mind it's impossible to give a verdict! You mean... Mr Wright... How long have you known about this? The nature of the channeling can prove who did or did not kill Dr Grey. The defence requests an extra day to research why and how the defendant had a dream when it's not supposed to be possible!I agree it is a contradiction, but not the dream part. After all, Maya is a medium too. She knows no mediums dream. She could have easily lied about it.
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Ryuko wrote:
Name: Knowing the technique
Type of cough-up: inconsistency/alternative solution.
Location: Reunion and Turnabout (JFA Case 2)
Description: Branching out about discussing that Maya is channeling a spirit, Franziska implies that Maya can gain control while still having another spirit's build, I'm surprised Phoenix didn't object to it.
Ms. Von Karma, what you've just said contradicts something the defendant mentioned prior to this case.
What!?
When she channels a spirit, she has no influence on the spirit whatsoever, furthermore, she cannot gain another person's build. And while I'm at it, I wish to ask a question to Detective Gumshoe.
What do you mean pal?
When police questioned the defendant, did she mention a dream at all?
How is that appropriate?
You should know, mediums of the Kurain Technique can't have dreams! Yet Maya Fey told me that she had a dream just after the channeling started! With this in mind it's impossible to give a verdict!
You mean... Mr Wright... How long have you known about this?
The nature of the channeling can prove who did or did not kill Dr Grey. The defence requests an extra day to research why and how the defendant had a dream when it's not supposed to be possible!
Type of cough-up: inconsistency/alternative solution.
Location: Reunion and Turnabout (JFA Case 2)
Description: Branching out about discussing that Maya is channeling a spirit, Franziska implies that Maya can gain control while still having another spirit's build, I'm surprised Phoenix didn't object to it.
Ms. Von Karma, what you've just said contradicts something the defendant mentioned prior to this case. What!? When she channels a spirit, she has no influence on the spirit whatsoever, furthermore, she cannot gain another person's build. And while I'm at it, I wish to ask a question to Detective Gumshoe. What do you mean pal? When police questioned the defendant, did she mention a dream at all? How is that appropriate? You should know, mediums of the Kurain Technique can't have dreams! Yet Maya Fey told me that she had a dream just after the channeling started! With this in mind it's impossible to give a verdict! You mean... Mr Wright... How long have you known about this? The nature of the channeling can prove who did or did not kill Dr Grey. The defence requests an extra day to research why and how the defendant had a dream when it's not supposed to be possible!Well, but can they really use that type of evidence in a court of law?
Sure, we know that that's true about spirit mediums, and Franzy proved to the Judge that they Feys really CAN channel spirits, but I doubt they can use the specifics as evidence in a murder trial :/
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Type of cough-up:Inconsistency/Alternate solving (Not sure which)
Location: Cases 1-3 (Circumstances of Hammer's death), 1-4 (Edgey's DL-6 testimony), 2-3 (Ending scene "The Phone Call").
Description:Your Honor, I'd like to start off with a quote from The Judge, and Manfred von Karma. "Murder is Murder." This was in relation to the following:
Spoiler: DL-6 Incident
Another example:
Spoiler: Hammer's Death
Yet, at the end of case 2-3...
Spoiler: The Phone Call
There is a blatant inconsistency, Your Honor! Ask yourself, why would Russel Berry's murderer get off easy, when Jack Hammer's and Gregory Edgeworth's (potential) killer did not?
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I also don't get your reference to 1-3 and 1-4. The sentences of the murderer and potential murderer in those cases were never even talked about :/
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Spoiler: Justified Self Defence
For some reason, PW does not differentiate between manslaughter and murder. Murder is on purpose, while manslaughter is accidental. The latter has a prison sentence, here in the UK, I believe it's about seven years. As for America, this is not proven. Edgeworth's case is most certainly manslaughter had it been the case.
Finally, not all murders are automatically given the death sentence. In some cases, when the murderer has voluntarily confessed to the murder, they are given a life sentence instead. Also, those who have been executed as far as I am aware have both committed at least two murders.
Spoiler: Case 5/JFA
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Type: grammatical error
Location: In PW2 in case 1 Part 2
Description: When Phoenix asks Wellington where his cell phone is, Wellington replies "I found my phone I'll have you know. *presents phone* See? Here is it." It should be "here it is" not "here is it".
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Description: When Oldbag revels her identity to Edgeworth, he is surprised and says he "never guessed". But, if he prepared the testimony, he would need to talk to her, so wouldn't he have found out?
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Ryuko wrote:
He said he read a report with her testimony on it. He never said anything about talking to her.
Oh yes, I forgot about that
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Type of cough-up: alternate solution
Location: Turnabout sisters, Day 2-trial
Description: Phoenix should've told the court his point of view, the crux of it would be when April May phoned her.
Miss May, there's something that's bothering me. It contradicts with what I saw with my own eyes on the day of the crime! Mr Wright, what are you saying? As Detective Gumshoe testified, I was at the scene of the crime when he arrived. Yet no one has asked me when I had arrived, but the fact is, I saw Miss April May phoning the police from the window of Fey & co's Main office long after the murder took place!
Urp!
Why are you taking the position of the defence attorney when you're a possible witness? No one else would defend Miss Fey Your Honour, but if you wish, I will tell the court what I saw that night.That would prove that April May gave whoever killed Mia plenty of time to get away.
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Name: I'm a witness.
Type of cough-up: alternate solution
Location: Turnabout sisters, Day 2-trial
Description: Phoenix should've told the court his point of view, the crux of it would be when April May phoned her.
Miss May, there's something that's bothering me. It contradicts with what I saw with my own eyes on the day of the crime!
Mr Wright, what are you saying?
As Detective Gumshoe testified, I was at the scene of the crime when he arrived. Yet no one has asked me when I had arrived, but the fact is, I saw Miss April May phoning the police from the window of Fey & co's Main office long after the murder took place!
Urp!
Why are you taking the position of the defence attorney when you're a possible witness?
No one else would defend Miss Fey Your Honour, but if you wish, I will tell the court what I saw that night.
That would prove that April May gave whoever killed Mia plenty of time to get away.
Type of cough-up: alternate solution
Location: Turnabout sisters, Day 2-trial
Description: Phoenix should've told the court his point of view, the crux of it would be when April May phoned her.
Miss May, there's something that's bothering me. It contradicts with what I saw with my own eyes on the day of the crime! Mr Wright, what are you saying? As Detective Gumshoe testified, I was at the scene of the crime when he arrived. Yet no one has asked me when I had arrived, but the fact is, I saw Miss April May phoning the police from the window of Fey & co's Main office long after the murder took place! Urp! Why are you taking the position of the defence attorney when you're a possible witness? No one else would defend Miss Fey Your Honour, but if you wish, I will tell the court what I saw that night.That would prove that April May gave whoever killed Mia plenty of time to get away.
You have a point, but here's what it would most likely be like.
I was there, and my client is innocent.
Of course you would say that! You're the defense attorney!
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Name: The teleporting receipt
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Turnabout sisters, just before Maya's arrest
Description: When Gumshoe goes to the office to investigate, he finds the receipt, but it was supposedly in Phoenix's possession because he presented it to Maya before they arrived.
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Ryuko wrote:
I found another one!
Name: The teleporting receipt
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Turnabout sisters, just before Maya's arrest
Description: When Gumshoe goes to the office to investigate, he finds the receipt, but it was supposedly in Phoenix's possession because he presented it to Maya before they arrived.
Name: The teleporting receipt
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Turnabout sisters, just before Maya's arrest
Description: When Gumshoe goes to the office to investigate, he finds the receipt, but it was supposedly in Phoenix's possession because he presented it to Maya before they arrived.
That's kinda like saying on case 4 when you show gumshoe polly, did you take her or what?
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dansamol wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
I found another one!
Name: The teleporting receipt
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Turnabout sisters, just before Maya's arrest
Description: When Gumshoe goes to the office to investigate, he finds the receipt, but it was supposedly in Phoenix's possession because he presented it to Maya before they arrived.
Name: The teleporting receipt
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Turnabout sisters, just before Maya's arrest
Description: When Gumshoe goes to the office to investigate, he finds the receipt, but it was supposedly in Phoenix's possession because he presented it to Maya before they arrived.
That's kinda like saying on case 4 when you show gumshoe polly, did you take her or what?
You show him a photograph. Like in JFA when you can present people's profiles. You're not showing them the person, just a photo of a person.
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SilverZephyr wrote:
dansamol wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
I found another one!
Name: The teleporting receipt
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Turnabout sisters, just before Maya's arrest
Description: When Gumshoe goes to the office to investigate, he finds the receipt, but it was supposedly in Phoenix's possession because he presented it to Maya before they arrived.
Name: The teleporting receipt
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Turnabout sisters, just before Maya's arrest
Description: When Gumshoe goes to the office to investigate, he finds the receipt, but it was supposedly in Phoenix's possession because he presented it to Maya before they arrived.
That's kinda like saying on case 4 when you show gumshoe polly, did you take her or what?
You show him a photograph. Like in JFA when you can present people's profiles. You're not showing them the person, just a photo of a person.
Actually, in the case in question, there is a visible evidence at the schene - which dissapears after Phoenix examines it - AKA, takes it. Very large contradiction.
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Mikker- AKA means 'also known as' what you should say is IE, which means 'in other words' (why that is I have no clue)
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Type of cough-up: misspelling
Location: JFA, Case 3, Detention Center
Description:
When Phoenix and Maya visit Max in the detention center, Max says he 'head' about the ringmaster being dead, not heard
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Name: A man shot in the heart screams?
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: AA, Case 4, Edgeworth's confession-End of trial.
Description: Bullets in the heart wouldn't leave enough strength for Gregory to scream very loudly even if he didn't die instantly. But I imagine that he did.
(present DL-6 report)
Miles Edgeworth, what you've said contradicts the evidence.
Again with the file? On what page does the contradiction lie? Try the 'Victim Data Page' Gregory Edgeworth was shot once through the heart. Death would be pretty instant don't you think? What is it that you're trying to say Wright? There was a second bullet, and it hit someone else in a non-vital area! That person was the one who screamed!
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Location: Case 3-3, Recipe for a Turnabout
Type: I don't know.
Spoiler: Description
However, I suppose this could be explained by one of two scenarios:
1. I'm forgetful.
Spoiler: 2
Could I get some help with this?
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Ryuko wrote:
I'd say that's more of a script typo than a misspelling.
Name: A man shot in the heart screams?
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: AA, Case 4, Edgeworth's confession-End of trial.
Description: Bullets in the heart wouldn't leave enough strength for Gregory to scream very loudly even if he didn't die instantly. But I imagine that he did.
(present DL-6 report)
Miles Edgeworth, what you've said contradicts the evidence.
Again with the file? On what page does the contradiction lie?
Try the 'Victim Data Page' Gregory Edgeworth was shot once through the heart. Death would be pretty instant don't you think?
What is it that you're trying to say Wright?
There was a second bullet, and it hit someone else in a non-vital area! That person was the one who screamed!
Name: A man shot in the heart screams?
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: AA, Case 4, Edgeworth's confession-End of trial.
Description: Bullets in the heart wouldn't leave enough strength for Gregory to scream very loudly even if he didn't die instantly. But I imagine that he did.
(present DL-6 report)
Miles Edgeworth, what you've said contradicts the evidence. Again with the file? On what page does the contradiction lie? Try the 'Victim Data Page' Gregory Edgeworth was shot once through the heart. Death would be pretty instant don't you think? What is it that you're trying to say Wright? There was a second bullet, and it hit someone else in a non-vital area! That person was the one who screamed!Once again, you only have the defendents word for it being correct. If
agrees that he heard this too, then it passes as evidence: but he doesn't. Edgey could just as well have lied about it.
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Ryuko wrote:
Come to think of it, the photos are another inconsistency, I mean, Phoenix doesn't exactly carry a camera with him.
Just because it isn't in the evidence doesn't mean he doesn't carry it. His phone is only shown as evidence as one case, but that doesn't mean he doesn't always carry it around.
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Ryuko wrote:
Mikker- AKA means 'also known as' what you should say is IE, which means 'in other words' (why that is I have no clue)
.... Never got what it ment :p
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