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A thread devoted to this trope.

Alternate Character Interpretations.

For example: Is Godot the tragic lover of Mia Fey that is driven by his passions or is he an obsessive curmudgeon that blames Phoenix Wright less for not protecting her and more for the fact that he's replaced him as the primary object of her affections, even post demise?

Zak Graymere? Tempermental showman or jerkish lout who abandoned his daughter and considers her less important than avenging a seven year old poker defeat?

Share your various theories, no matter how outlandish. Just make sure you add at least a paragraph to justify your interpretation.

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Mike Meekins.... bumbling, incompetent servant of justice or shadowy criminal mastermind in a cleverly created disguise?

Eh, not too great with this. XD
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Really, it's just like interpreting any of the other characters as you normally would in a thread.

Just different as you expect them to come off.
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evil!Matt = Max Galactica.

Both of their first names begin with "Ma". Plus Max is an entertainer, so he knows how to act (so he can do 2 personalities well).

Plus it's the only logical explanation for the magically appearing brandy glass.

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They actually mention Klavier in the list of examples, with the link you gave. XD

Anyway...

Detective Gumshoe. Is he just a scatterbrained lout, or does he only act imcompetent so that he can get attention from Miles Edgeworth? (some shippers would support this)
Or perhaps the "cheif detective" made Gumshoe this way. Under orders from Gant, he may be hypnotizing his subordinates with the Blue Badger to make them not work at ther full potential. This may explain why the force is so incompetent after the SL-9 incident. And Gumshoe may just be an innocent victim of brainwashing.
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Here's a serious one.

Detective Gumshoe

Is not actually a rotten Detective or a poor police officer. In fact, he's surprisingly good at his job. Detective Gumshoe, unfortunately, comes from the 'Streets.' Mostly used to dealing with drug pushers and other obvious crimes, Detective Gumshoe is often bedazzled by the weird and Byzantine nature of the pre-meditated crimes that are usually found in Phoenix Wright's courtroom.

Furthermore, he only has only day to investigate each of the crime scenes he's involved in and his poor track record with guilty parties is mostly a function of the fact that he doesn't have time to formulate out any other possible suspects but the most obvious ones. His continued investigation, often days after the crime has been brought to court, reflects his genuine devotion to his duty.

The Judge

Is actually senile and should be removed from the bench.
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Charles Phipps wrote:
The Judge

Is actually senile and should be removed from the bench.


How's that an ALTERNATE interpretation....? <_< :udgy:

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Is Godot the tragic lover of Mia Fey that is driven by his passions or is he an obsessive curmudgeon that blames Phoenix Wright less for not protecting her and more for the fact that he's replaced him as the primary object of her affections, even post demise?


I'm going with this one, seriously. >_>
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^_^ I like your Gumshoe one, Charles! Yeah, I did mine jokingly.

I thought of some other joke ones, but I think I should stick to serious ones from now on. :P
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A fantasizing nut or someone pretending to be a cowboy who's actually...

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Neil Marshall, disguised as his brother, Similar to the case of Ini Miney.

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A fantasizing nut or someone pretending to be a cowboy who's actually...

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Neil Marshall, disguised as his brother, Similar to the case of Ini Miney.


:objection:
Neil Marshall's body was found, unlike Miss Miney's! Or did Jake just decide to dress as his brother that day?
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Is Godot the tragic lover of Mia Fey that is driven by his passions or is he an obsessive curmudgeon that blames Phoenix Wright less for not protecting her and more for the fact that he's replaced him as the primary object of her affections, even post demise?


I'm going with this one, seriously. >_>

I actually find this one incredibly easy to believe and characterize as well, though as I don't see any hint of MiaxPhoenix even when squinting, I'd personally replace "affections" with "attentions."
Considering that Phoenix knew Mia five years while Diego knew her, most likely, for about a year and a half, and considering that Mia was to Phoenix what Diego was to Mia, annnnnd knowing Diego's rather territorial personality, I find it impossible to believe that there's not at least a little bit of jealousy and resentment in there.

I also feel that Godot uses "Trite" as a scapegoat to, at least in part, keep from feeling betrayed by Mia's (a) hiring Phoenix even though he unwittingly hid the bottle of poison and (b) teaching Phoenix things about defending that she learned from him, such as always smiling no matter how bad it gets, etc.
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Dahlia Hawthorne:

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Evil self-serving jerk or highly unrealistic one-sided underdeveloped character that made me lose the tiniest bit of respect for the writers? :chinami:

I'm sorry, it's just, I hate Dahlia for the opposite reason as everyone else. She's so evil it's just not real. I mean, even von Karma Sr. had his redeeming qualities. Fan speculation-wise, there's probably a lot more under her, a lot of feeling of hurt for being abandoned by her mother and regret for getting herself into such a huge mess...but the game didn't even poke at that. :-(

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Dahlia Hawthorne:

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Evil self-serving jerk or highly unrealistic one-sided underdeveloped character that made me lose the tiniest bit of respect for the writers? :chinami:

I'm sorry, it's just, I hate Dahlia for the opposite reason as everyone else. She's so evil it's just not real. I mean, even von Karma Sr. had his redeeming qualities. Fan speculation-wise, there's probably a lot more under her, a lot of feeling of hurt for being abandoned by her mother and regret for getting herself into such a huge mess...but the game didn't even poke at that. :-(


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Well, there really wasn't even any time for that. In 3-1 and 3-4 she's on trial for murder. Can't do it in 3-4, because she's not found guilty of the crime. Can't do it in 3-1, because that messes up her appearance in 3-5. And you can't do it in 3-5 because that's when she's going, "Ha ha! Maya Fey is dead, and I caused her to kill herself! And of course, you can't even punish me because I'm already dead!" Sticking in some other sides to her character in any of those places would have made her better-developed character...but made her have unbelievable acitons and take away from the overal quality of the game.

If she hadn't been evicted from Maya's body in 3-5, she could've had some side-adding there, but then there would have only been some totally not-awesome way of evicting her =\

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ILikeShinyMirrors wrote:
I mean, even von Karma Sr. had his redeeming qualities.

................................................................uhhhhhhhh, what? :lana:
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I don't find anything unbelievable about Dolly's characterization.

Then again, I've known girls like her.

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I don't find anything unbelievable about Dolly's characterization.

Then again, I've known girls like her.

:-)


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Oh, Karma has plenty of good qualities. Punctual, neat, strong willed, persistant, focussed... These didn't stop him from being an evil bastard but they certainly make him more realistic. Same with Gant's friendlyness and Morgans severely twisted love for her daughter.

Anyway, more on topic, I see the Judge as having a lot more in his bonce than he appears. You can't become the Great Judgini overnight afterall. I don't think he's putting the senility on, but I do think that he plays it up to throw others off guard.

In short, he's the best judge they've got, because he always was. :)
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Richard Welllington: Obnoxious, high-class snob with lots of money, or a lonely guy that no one respects and so tries to come off as rich and attractive to garner attention? :0
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I think that Richard Wellington actually not being well educated or rich is probably canon, given the fact he's a con man whose entire trade depends on being part of a ring of people that perform similiar such scams.
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Morgan has no love for her daughter. It is only an excuse for her actions, which are completely sick.

If anything, she's the unrealistically evil one
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Morgan is the Ultimate Soccer Mom.

She's not getting the Master title for Pearl, but herself.
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Many people believe that Klavier from Apollo Justice Ace Attorney is actually faking his German accent. The theories range from Klavier actually being from Germany, but speaking just fine and only exaggerating his accent for effect, to Klavier being born and raised in the United States and not even speaking German. A few facts are usually used as evidence:

* Klavier's accent is incredibly inconsistent. He speaks perfectly normal English most of the time, with occasional lapses into a very mild version of Poirot Speak. Other than using "Ja" for "Yes" and calling people "Herr" and "Fräulein" (the latter having its own problems for a supposed native speaker of German), he doesn't have much of an accent at all.
* He's a rock star as well as a prosecutor and might well have decided to fake such a thing for his image.
* It would be very difficult to name a kid "Klavier" in Germany. There are in fact specific rules for what children can be named; you can't just up and decide to name your kid "Piano" because you want to.
* All that and the fact that his own brother speaks (apparently) perfect (American) English all the time.

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Charles Phipps wrote:
Morgan is the Ultimate Soccer Mom.

She's not getting the Master title for Pearl, but herself.


Not really.

Spoiler: 2-2 and 3-5
She was trying to get Pearl to be the Master, but not for Pearl, for herself. She wanted Pearl to be the Master because she wasn't. Sort of like parents trying to live through their children.

When talking about this, these lines from 3-5 comes to mind: (Paraphrased, not exact)
Dahlia: So Morgan was going to have Pearl channel me and kill Maya.
Phoenix: No way! Pearl loves and idolizes Maya! She would never go through with that!
Dahlia: You still don't get it, do you? It didn't matter what Pearl wanted.


EDIT: Found the exact lines I was looking for:
Spoiler: 3-5
Dahlia:
But for it to work...
Maya Fey would first
have to die.

Phoenix:
*HOLD IT!*

Phoenix:
Maya would have to die!?
But why!?

Dahlia:
For our bloodline to succeed
as the main family, thus
making Pearl the new Master...

Dahlia:
...the remaining descendants
of the current Master had to
be taken care of.

Phoenix:
*OBJECTION!*

Phoenix:
But Pearls would never agree
to a plan like that!

Phoenix:
She adores Maya...

Dahlia:
...How sad. You still don't
get it, do you?

Dahlia:
What Pearl wanted had
nothing to do with it.

Dahlia:
Morgan didn't care one bit
about Pearl.

Dahlia:
The only thing she cared about
was the position of the
Master. That's all.

Now, I'm not saying that Morgan didn't care about Pearl at all, like Dahlia said; I think she cares about Pearl a lot, just in a twisted way, and her actions are more for herself than for Pearl.

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Oops. Read "She was getting it for Pearl, not for herself" :oops:


Probably what et91 isn't really an alternate interpretation (since that's how she's portrayed) so I assumed that your post would be something different, an alternate interpretation, and that's how I read it ^^'
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Oh, Karma has plenty of good qualities. Punctual, neat, strong willed, persistant, focussed... These didn't stop him from being an evil bastard but they certainly make him more realistic. Same with Gant's friendlyness and Morgans severely twisted love for her daughter.

Anyway, more on topic, I see the Judge as having a lot more in his bonce than he appears. You can't become the Great Judgini overnight afterall. I don't think he's putting the senility on, but I do think that he plays it up to throw others off guard.

In short, he's the best judge they've got, because he always was. :)

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I've seen a few fanfics that portray Manfred von Karma as a loving father (to his daughters, not to Edgeworth). I'm not quite sure what to think about that.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
*quote about Klavier that I didn't bother reading

He's supposed to have a German accent? I always thought he was just a weirdo that threw words in to look cool.

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Mike Meekins.... bumbling, incompetent servant of justice or shadowy criminal mastermind in a cleverly created disguise?

:yuusaku: : Come, apprentice!
:megaphone: : YES MASTER

I think you're onto something here.
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Doctor Grey

I've noticed fans depict Doctor Grey as a monstrous boss who drives his Nurse to a horrible crime and who got what was coming to him. In fact, Doctor Grey is a caring physician who is rightfully upset that his entire life was destroyed by a nurses' act of gross negligence. He just has House's bedside manners.
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Bruce Goodman
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A brave man killed while searching for justice,or a fool who should have kept quiet and toed the line like everybody else involved with SL-9?


Hope I have the right idea.
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I've seen a few fanfics that portray Manfred von Karma as a loving father (to his daughters, not to Edgeworth). I'm not quite sure what to think about that.


I could see it maybe, maybe not. Def not to Edgey. But really, Franziska is so emotionally insecure (yet at the same time freakin' awesome) that I have trouble imagining her being raised by a loving father.
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ILikeShinyMirrors wrote:
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I've seen a few fanfics that portray Manfred von Karma as a loving father (to his daughters, not to Edgeworth). I'm not quite sure what to think about that.


I could see it maybe, maybe not. Def not to Edgey. But really, Franziska is so emotionally insecure (yet at the same time freakin' awesome) that I have trouble imagining her being raised by a loving father.

Alas, this is what I get for loving a villain who most definitely doesn't fall under Draco In Leather Pants...what I was complaining about was when Phoenix Wright characters are written with all the depth of cardboard.
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Alas, this is what I get for loving a villain who most definitely doesn't fall under Draco In Leather Pants...what I was complaining about was when Phoenix Wright characters are written with all the depth of cardboard.


I wouldn't say that. A lot of the characters have a great deal of depth. It's just noteworthy that Manfred Von Karma is a controlling perfectionist in all things. Damon Gant, for example, could have a wonderful relationship with his children because he's basically the guy from Minority Report in that he's willing to do anything to put away criminals for good. Manfred's problem isn't ideology, it's that he's insanely arrogant and concerned about his image as the perfect prosecutor.

Trying to give him a pet the dog moment with his children would ignore that he took his revenge on Edgeworth, an innocent child that he raised.
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Saloma wrote:
DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
*quote about Klavier that I didn't bother reading

He's supposed to have a German accent? I always thought he was just a weirdo that threw words in to look cool.

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Mike Meekins.... bumbling, incompetent servant of justice or shadowy criminal mastermind in a cleverly created disguise?

:yuusaku: : Come, apprentice!
:megaphone: : YES MASTER

I think you're onto something here.


I agree. He probably does just throw words in to look cool.

The Meekins one works too.


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Doctor Grey

I've noticed fans depict Doctor Grey as a monstrous boss who drives his Nurse to a horrible crime and who got what was coming to him. In fact, Doctor Grey is a caring physician who is rightfully upset that his entire life was destroyed by a nurses' act of gross negligence. He just has House's bedside manners.


You're probably wright. Er, right....


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A fantasizing nut or someone pretending to be a cowboy who's actually...

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Neil Marshall, disguised as his brother, Similar to the case of Ini Miney.


:objection:
Neil Marshall's body was found, unlike Miss Miney's! Or did Jake just decide to dress as his brother that day?


Maybe he did...

I have a good idea as to why that might be. :king: anyone?!?!

I might wright a fanfic about it. Er, write. (I keep making that mistake!)

Plus that idea might work with
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Acro/Bat or Maya/Mia. For instance, Mia might not have died in 1-2, Maya died when she got tasered in 1-4 by :karma: , and whenever Mia is being "channeled" it's really her, and MAYA is the one being channeled.


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Here's a serious one.

Detective Gumshoe

Is not actually a rotten Detective or a poor police officer. In fact, he's surprisingly good at his job. Detective Gumshoe, unfortunately, comes from the 'Streets.' Mostly used to dealing with drug pushers and other obvious crimes, Detective Gumshoe is often bedazzled by the weird and Byzantine nature of the pre-meditated crimes that are usually found in Phoenix Wright's courtroom.

Furthermore, he only has only day to investigate each of the crime scenes he's involved in and his poor track record with guilty parties is mostly a function of the fact that he doesn't have time to formulate out any other possible suspects but the most obvious ones. His continued investigation, often days after the crime has been brought to court, reflects his genuine devotion to his duty.

The Judge

Is actually senile and should be removed from the bench.


Maybe the Judge isn't senile, just, er, old-fashioned. :udgy:
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I might wright a fanfic about it. Er, write. (I keep making that mistake!)


The spelling your looking for in this case is write. [Edit - and you fixed it while I was teasing you! *shakes fist*]

Pearl Fey...innocent naif or evil devil child and willing participant in her mother's schemes, and perfectly willing to let her mother take the fall? :pealshock:
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Dahlia Hawthorne: Evil bitch, or pathetic little girl yearning for attention as the victim of a family that would rather she not be born?

Think about it.
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Doctor Grey

I've noticed fans depict Doctor Grey as a monstrous boss who drives his Nurse to a horrible crime and who got what was coming to him. In fact, Doctor Grey is a caring physician who is rightfully upset that his entire life was destroyed by a nurses' act of gross negligence. He just has House's bedside manners.


I like that interpretation. I rather like Grey.
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Acro/Bat or Maya/Mia. For instance, Mia might not have died in 1-2, Maya died when she got tasered in 1-4 by :karma: , and whenever Mia is being "channeled" it's really her, and MAYA is the one being channeled.


:think:
How do you explain the body, Maya being channeled before 1-4, and Pearl channeling Mia?

Also, forensics. The police may be dumb, but I think they can tell the difference between sister/brother and [the same]

I also agree with Dr. Grey one.
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