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Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind a cameo of one from PW Cast. Okay, maybe I would, but I won't be complaining. It's just how the people act to something trivial such as the lack of them which irritates me.
When you play three excellent games featuring excellent characters you come to care about who suddenly get their stories hacksawed to pieces in the fourth game for reasons beyond anyone's control at this point in time, why do you find it trivial that people are bothered?
What bothers me is that people keep going on about how Phoenix "stole the limelight away from Apollo". As far as I'm concerned, Apollo ran away everytime the limelight tried to hit him. As he himself says while Klavier is busy carving up Kristoph at the end of 4-4... "I can't think of anything to say right now"...
YES.
In my opinion, this is quite similar to the dilemma that the third season of Transformers had- They abandoned characters people had been attached to for 2 whole seasons to a bunch of new nobodies. The following episodes lacked a real direction, until they brought Optimus back as the Autobot leader.
Apollo doesn't need to become his own character. He just needs to become a bloody corpse. This of course, gives us a huge WHAM moment from the blue, motivates Nick to retake the bar, and we get a good story from it- Nick getting back into the game, seeing how radically other characters have changed over the years, etc. Maybe even a Rocky-esque loss along the way.
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Morgan Fey's Cell was Solitary N.13 ;
Kristoph Gavin's Cell was Solitary N.13 as well.
In different places, but anyway...
I think this could be some kind of foreshadowing on Kristoph's participation in GS5.... Maybe he will plan a huge crime even being in jail, just like Morgan.
The victim.... Phoenix?
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What Capcom has now is a fanbase who've been nurtured on Phoenix Wright for so long that the mere idea of switching to an entirely new cast and story is incredulous blasphemy. Yet, there are people who are tired of eating the same games over and over and demand something new. Unless Capcom decide to root Phoenix out of Apollo's games and continue his series as separate, no one is going to be completely satisfied.
Here's my proposition: Don't kill Phoenix. Instead, simply "kill him off" in such a way that he's no longer the main focus of the Apollo series. Apollo is the main character and being the main character all of the limelight and plot threads should focus squarely on him. Phoenix has no place in Apollo's game. Take him out and continue his series as separate from Apollo's. That way the fans won't be butthurt over their precious hero being offed for no reason other than to start over fresh and the people in demand for something new will get Apollo as he was meant to be; the mildly confident, unwaivering successor to Phoenix.
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Morgan Fey's Cell was Solitary N.13 ;
Kristoph Gavin's Cell was Solitary N.13 as well.
In different places, but anyway...
I think this could be some kind of foreshadowing on Kristoph's participation in GS5.... Maybe he will plan a huge crime even being in jail, just like Morgan.
Kristoph Gavin's Cell was Solitary N.13 as well.
In different places, but anyway...
I think this could be some kind of foreshadowing on Kristoph's participation in GS5.... Maybe he will plan a huge crime even being in jail, just like Morgan.
No, it's just 'unlucky' number 13, like all the repeated '7 years' garbage.
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There wouldn't be a big fuss of "Apollo vs. Phoenix" if Capcom had just given Mr. Wright the heave-ho out the back door,
'Exclusion'? 'Heave-ho'? Hell, no, they should have just left him alone after his canon END. It was pretty clear 3-5 was designed as an ending.
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What Capcom has now is a fanbase who've been nurtured on Phoenix Wright for so long that the mere idea of switching to an entirely new cast and story is incredulous blasphemy.
No, switching to an entirely new cast is not incredulouds blasphemy. Ruining Phoenix and the story of GS3 to do so to switch to an otherwise new [with the exception of 1-5 notice] cast is not the type of thing inclined to receive acceptance and adulation.
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Here's my proposition: Don't kill Phoenix. Instead, simply "kill him off" in such a way that he's no longer the main focus of the Apollo series.
They tried that. It was the disbarring farce, 'dead' mentor. He was still the focus of the 'Apollo' game :)
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Apollo is the main character and being the main character all of the limelight and plot threads should focus squarely on him. Phoenix has no place in Apollo's game.
Maybe... it was never supposed to be 'Apollo's game'. Or they couldn't decide if it was 'Apollo's game'. I mean, when a 'new' series was first conceived, it was probably going to be 'main' character Apollo, but...
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Take him out and continue his series as separate from Apollo's. That way the fans won't be butthurt over their precious hero being offed for no reason other than to start over fresh and the people in demand for something new will get Apollo as he was meant to be; the mildly confident, unwaivering successor to Phoenix.
That's a nice idea, but they don't have that much to do with Phoenix except rectify the mess GS4 made of GS2 and 3. Which is a laudable aim. Maybe they can have 2 cases in the past with Mia as lawyer. That would pad things out.The problem is, the cases would all effectively be filler since I'm not sure what overbearing plot they could have.
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Here's an idea. How about Phoenix doesn't appear. At all. No explanation whatsoever. Personally, i'd love to see the fanboys/fangirls squirm upon hearing that news.
I second this <_< Majorly. Perhaps (as much as I'd hate to say it) if Phoenix up and left some people would finally can it about Apollo being the new central focus.
Although I'll admit, sometimes I felt like I was playing more as Trucy than Apollo :/
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Lisabasil1959 wrote:
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Here's an idea. How about Phoenix doesn't appear. At all. No explanation whatsoever. Personally, i'd love to see the fanboys/fangirls squirm upon hearing that news.
I second this <_< Majorly. Perhaps (as much as I'd hate to say it) if Phoenix up and left some people would finally can it about Apollo being the new central focus.
Although I'll admit, sometimes I felt like I was playing more as Trucy than Apollo :/
Yes, but then Capcom would have to deal with a frothing mad 1/2 to 3/4s of the fanbase.
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RobbieValiant wrote:
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Here's an idea. How about Phoenix doesn't appear. At all. No explanation whatsoever. Personally, i'd love to see the fanboys/fangirls squirm upon hearing that news.
I second this <_< Majorly. Perhaps (as much as I'd hate to say it) if Phoenix up and left some people would finally can it about Apollo being the new central focus.
Although I'll admit, sometimes I felt like I was playing more as Trucy than Apollo :/
Yes, but then Capcom would have to deal with a frothing mad 1/2 to 3/4s of the fanbase.
I guess you're right. But my point is, if you're going to have a new main character, don't let the old one upstage all the time.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Here's an idea. How about Phoenix doesn't appear. At all. No explanation whatsoever. Personally, i'd love to see the fanboys/fangirls squirm upon hearing that news.
It's better than wreaking further insult on his character and/or life situation in a futile attempt to not entirely upstage Apollo.
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I guess you're right. But my point is, if you're going to have a new main character, don't let the old one upstage all the time.
It's not Phoenix's fault that Apollo was so boring that he was still forgettable even after they so unevened the playing field by turning Phoenix into a hobo, disbarring him, making him forge evidence, throwing his reputation into serious doubt until the final case, not playing as him till the final case.. whilst we get to be in Apollos' head from square one. Apollo had plenty of chance to captivate us with his 'charismatic' personality and 'compelling' backstory and motivations. It's Apollo's own fault Phoenix upstaged him, because Apollo was still far too uncompelling and generic even with all the compensations he got over Phoenix. In fact, I think that Apollo was maybe supposed to be generic as the game was really about jurist systems, not Apollo, and the player, not Apollo, was playing jurist, in general and on the Trial Of Phoenix Wright - Did he forge evidence etc. If Apollo was a success, maybe they could make GS5, if not, well...
'How about Apollo doesn't appear. At all. No explanation whatsoever. Personally, i'd love to see the fanboys/fangirls squirm upon hearing that news.
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True... if you're counting Apollo as the main character. Half the time I felt that Phoenix and changed his appearance to become shorter with devil horns, and the other half I felt like I was Trucy/Klavier.
Half the time I forgot Apollo was there when he was not onscreen. I spent most of case 2 wishing it was Trucy who was the lawyer with dumb assistant Apollo. Apollo felt too much like my generic avatar. And his surname, 'Justice' suits his genericness perfectly. A stroke of naming genius.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Apollo is like Phoenix, so why are you complaining, I wonder?
Apollo is nothing like Phoenix.
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icer wrote:
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Apollo is like Phoenix, so why are you complaining, I wonder?
Apollo is nothing like Phoenix.
Apollo is effectively a clone of Phoenix, only with a bit of personality thrown in.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Apollo is like Phoenix, so why are you complaining, I wonder?
Apollo is nothing like Phoenix.
Apollo is effectively a clone of Phoenix, only with a bit of personality thrown in.
Heh. I was going to say the opposite. Apollo is a pod-people version of Nick. Indistinguishable from normal people, except for their utter lack of emotion and the personality quirks that go with it.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Apollo is effectively a clone of Phoenix, only with a bit of personality thrown in.
You've got to be joking. Apollo is Phoenix if all his personality, backstory, motivations, ideals and connections were removed. Oh, we get a few gimmicks to replace them. Chords Of Steel? Here Comes Justice? *yawn*. It might have been okay in a totally different game...
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but they could have avoided the whole "Phoenix turning into Hobo and fans bitching" bit by...
Simply having apollo justice take place somewhere else in the country. In this case, there would be no reason for Phoenix to loose his badge and etc. and that way the original AA characters could make cameos, or at least not having to ask oneself where the hell the cast went off to (since it would take place in another area all together)
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Case 1:
Apollo Justice defends Trucy when she is sued for copying someone else's magic trick. The case looks bad so she uses magic to make the person disappear.
Case 2:
Phoenix returns completely washed out. It turns out that since Apollo proved that Phoenix was disbarred unrightfully, he's been able to return to law. He takes on the case of defending Maya for trying to channel God to find out the meaning of life, then charge people $1Million to tell them.
Case 3:
Trucy gets kidnapped by Dr Hickfield who's taken up a job as a gynaecologist and insists Trucy needs an appointment. Apollo gets Klavier to prosecute him for paedophilia while Apollo defends and loses on purpose. Dr Hickfield tries to kill him with an injection of cyanide, but he shouts OBJECTION loud enough that he disintegrates.
Case 4:
Aliens abuct Apollo, Phoenix, Maya, Trucy and Pearl, and whisk them to the planet Dhdegduygse. They call on the help of The Golden Samurai (now with added space suit) who kills the aliens and whisks them back to earth. When they get back, they get the aliens sentenced to having to watch Alien vs. Predator. Then everyone goes for Burgers.
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Case 1:
Apollo Justice defends Trucy when she is sued for copying someone else's magic trick. The case looks bad so she uses magic to make the person disappear.
Apollo Justice defends Trucy when she is sued for copying someone else's magic trick. The case looks bad so she uses magic to make the person disappear.
Why would a magician sue another magician? They can just take all of their money... with MAGIC!
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Case 2:
Phoenix returns completely washed out. It turns out that since Apollo proved that Phoenix was disbarred unrightfully, he's been able to return to law. He takes on the case of defending Maya for trying to channel God to find out the meaning of life, then charge people $1Million to tell them.
Phoenix returns completely washed out. It turns out that since Apollo proved that Phoenix was disbarred unrightfully, he's been able to return to law. He takes on the case of defending Maya for trying to channel God to find out the meaning of life, then charge people $1Million to tell them.
God would be too strong a spirit. He'd go on a genocidal rampage...
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Case 3:
Trucy gets kidnapped by Dr Hickfield who's taken up a job as a gynaecologist and insists Trucy needs an appointment. Apollo gets Klavier to prosecute him for paedophilia while Apollo defends and loses on purpose. Dr Hickfield tries to kill him with an injection of cyanide, but he shouts OBJECTION loud enough that he disintegrates.
Trucy gets kidnapped by Dr Hickfield who's taken up a job as a gynaecologist and insists Trucy needs an appointment. Apollo gets Klavier to prosecute him for paedophilia while Apollo defends and loses on purpose. Dr Hickfield tries to kill him with an injection of cyanide, but he shouts OBJECTION loud enough that he disintegrates.
Hickfield isn't already a gynaecologist?!?!?!?
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Case 4:
Aliens abuct Apollo, Phoenix, Maya, Trucy and Pearl, and whisk them to the planet Dhdegduygse. They call on the help of The Golden Samurai (now with added space suit) who kills the aliens and whisks them back to earth. When they get back, they get the aliens sentenced to having to watch Alien vs. Predator. Then everyone goes for Burgers.
Aliens abuct Apollo, Phoenix, Maya, Trucy and Pearl, and whisk them to the planet Dhdegduygse. They call on the help of The Golden Samurai (now with added space suit) who kills the aliens and whisks them back to earth. When they get back, they get the aliens sentenced to having to watch Alien vs. Predator. Then everyone goes for Burgers.
This case has burgers. Also aliens. Epic win.
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Case 1:
Apollo Justice defends Trucy when she is sued for copying someone else's magic trick. The case looks bad so she uses magic to make the person disappear.
Case 2:
Phoenix returns completely washed out. It turns out that since Apollo proved that Phoenix was disbarred unrightfully, he's been able to return to law. He takes on the case of defending Maya for trying to channel God to find out the meaning of life, then charge people $1Million to tell them.
Case 3:
Trucy gets kidnapped by Dr Hickfield who's taken up a job as a gynaecologist and insists Trucy needs an appointment. Apollo gets Klavier to prosecute him for paedophilia while Apollo defends and loses on purpose. Dr Hickfield tries to kill him with an injection of cyanide, but he shouts OBJECTION loud enough that he disintegrates.
Case 4:
Aliens abuct Apollo, Phoenix, Maya, Trucy and Pearl, and whisk them to the planet Dhdegduygse. They call on the help of The Golden Samurai (now with added space suit) who kills the aliens and whisks them back to earth. When they get back, they get the aliens sentenced to having to watch Alien vs. Predator. Then everyone goes for Burgers.
Case 1:
Apollo Justice defends Trucy when she is sued for copying someone else's magic trick. The case looks bad so she uses magic to make the person disappear.
Case 2:
Phoenix returns completely washed out. It turns out that since Apollo proved that Phoenix was disbarred unrightfully, he's been able to return to law. He takes on the case of defending Maya for trying to channel God to find out the meaning of life, then charge people $1Million to tell them.
Case 3:
Trucy gets kidnapped by Dr Hickfield who's taken up a job as a gynaecologist and insists Trucy needs an appointment. Apollo gets Klavier to prosecute him for paedophilia while Apollo defends and loses on purpose. Dr Hickfield tries to kill him with an injection of cyanide, but he shouts OBJECTION loud enough that he disintegrates.
Case 4:
Aliens abuct Apollo, Phoenix, Maya, Trucy and Pearl, and whisk them to the planet Dhdegduygse. They call on the help of The Golden Samurai (now with added space suit) who kills the aliens and whisks them back to earth. When they get back, they get the aliens sentenced to having to watch Alien vs. Predator. Then everyone goes for Burgers.
I'd buy it.
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Mr. Bear wrote:
dapz wrote:
ACE ATTORNEY 5
Case 1:
Apollo Justice defends Trucy when she is sued for copying someone else's magic trick. The case looks bad so she uses magic to make the person disappear.
Case 2:
Phoenix returns completely washed out. It turns out that since Apollo proved that Phoenix was disbarred unrightfully, he's been able to return to law. He takes on the case of defending Maya for trying to channel God to find out the meaning of life, then charge people $1Million to tell them.
Case 3:
Trucy gets kidnapped by Dr Hickfield who's taken up a job as a gynaecologist and insists Trucy needs an appointment. Apollo gets Klavier to prosecute him for paedophilia while Apollo defends and loses on purpose. Dr Hickfield tries to kill him with an injection of cyanide, but he shouts OBJECTION loud enough that he disintegrates.
Case 4:
Aliens abuct Apollo, Phoenix, Maya, Trucy and Pearl, and whisk them to the planet Dhdegduygse. They call on the help of The Golden Samurai (now with added space suit) who kills the aliens and whisks them back to earth. When they get back, they get the aliens sentenced to having to watch Alien vs. Predator. Then everyone goes for Burgers.
Case 1:
Apollo Justice defends Trucy when she is sued for copying someone else's magic trick. The case looks bad so she uses magic to make the person disappear.
Case 2:
Phoenix returns completely washed out. It turns out that since Apollo proved that Phoenix was disbarred unrightfully, he's been able to return to law. He takes on the case of defending Maya for trying to channel God to find out the meaning of life, then charge people $1Million to tell them.
Case 3:
Trucy gets kidnapped by Dr Hickfield who's taken up a job as a gynaecologist and insists Trucy needs an appointment. Apollo gets Klavier to prosecute him for paedophilia while Apollo defends and loses on purpose. Dr Hickfield tries to kill him with an injection of cyanide, but he shouts OBJECTION loud enough that he disintegrates.
Case 4:
Aliens abuct Apollo, Phoenix, Maya, Trucy and Pearl, and whisk them to the planet Dhdegduygse. They call on the help of The Golden Samurai (now with added space suit) who kills the aliens and whisks them back to earth. When they get back, they get the aliens sentenced to having to watch Alien vs. Predator. Then everyone goes for Burgers.
I'd buy it.
Somehow, I think buying crack might have the same effect.
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icer wrote:
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Apollo is effectively a clone of Phoenix, only with a bit of personality thrown in.
You've got to be joking. Apollo is Phoenix if all his personality, backstory, motivations, ideals and connections were removed. Oh, we get a few gimmicks to replace them. Chords Of Steel? Here Comes Justice? *yawn*. It might have been okay in a totally different game...
Remember how this is Apollo's first game. At the beginning, they didn't expect there to be a sequel, never mind three more games. So they went all out on Phoenix, but they're expecting more games with Apollo, so they're taking it slow. Also, please explain how Phoenix has personality and Apollo doesn't. I'm waiting.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Remember how this is Apollo's first game. At the beginning, they didn't expect there to be a sequel, never mind three more games. So they went all out on Phoenix, but they're expecting more games with Apollo, so they're taking it slow. Also, please explain how Phoenix has personality and Apollo doesn't. I'm waiting.
In a sense, Phoenix is a more 'generic' person, except that he has a sense of right and wrong, and he actually doesn't run away from everything, and is willing to risk a lot to save his friends. Apollo runs away from absolutely everything. Would Apollo run across a burning bridge to save Trucy? Don't think so. In fact, if APollo took Phoenix's place, he never would have even gone to Hazakura.
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In fact, if APollo took Phoenix's place, he never would have even gone to Hazakura.
Actually, yes. I'm pretty sure he would.
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At the time when AA1 was made on GBA was it thought there'd be 2 more games? Another AJ game really has to be made, it leaves far too many mysteries unsolved and ends open.
Maybe Apollo was originally a magician pushed into this law business?
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
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In fact, if APollo took Phoenix's place, he never would have even gone to Hazakura.
Actually, yes. I'm pretty sure he would.
Why would he do that? Without the influence of
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Remember how this is Apollo's first game. At the beginning, they didn't expect there to be a sequel, never mind three more games. So they went all out on Phoenix, but they're expecting more games with Apollo, so they're taking it slow. Also, please explain how Phoenix has personality and Apollo doesn't. I'm waiting.
I don't think they were necessarily 'expecting' more games with Apollo. [So where's GS5 now? Case in point - it wasn't exactly waiting in the wings with Apollo Plot 2, was it?] They expected there might be. So that's no excuse to make such a generic character, because oh no, we have to save some 'personality' for a sequel! And we've gone over this topic ad infinitum. Wait while I dig up one of my old posts.
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
In fact, if APollo took Phoenix's place, he never would have even gone to Hazakura.
Actually, yes. I'm pretty sure he would.
Actually, yes. I'm pretty sure he would.
he would, if Phoenix or Kristoph told him to. Apollo does what he's told by weird mentors/hobos without proper explanation.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
The Objector wrote:
In fact, if APollo took Phoenix's place, he never would have even gone to Hazakura.
Actually, yes. I'm pretty sure he would.
Why would he do that? Without the influence of
, would never have gone to Hazakura Temple, either. When exactly did
take Nick's place?Well, if Apollo took nick's place in the burning bridge, it's only fair to have him take nick's place as Iris' boyfreind as well. If we don't count that, then it isn't fair, because without Iris Nick wouldn't have gone either. Given the same motivations, he would.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Well, if Apollo took nick's place in the burning bridge, it's only fair to have him take nick's place as Iris' boyfreind as well. If we don't count that, then it isn't fair, because without Iris Nick wouldn't have gone either. Given the same motivations, he would.
Phoenix's motivations in the burning bridge scene were nothing to do with Iris.
The point is, Apollo doesn't form intense motivations related to other characters, or many explicable motivations at all. He kind of does what Phoenix tells him for no apparent reason, and sometimes other people, he does what he's told, thus following [aka being used for] other peoples' motivations without even knowing what they are most of the time.
Game 1: Phoenix uses his own personal motivations and years-long mission to save Edgeworth, as a subsequent sidestory in achieving this main aim also manages to aid his mentor's goals and help save some of the Feys/resolve some of the Fey family problems.
Game 4: Phoenix uses his own personal motivations and years-long mission to get Kristoph jailed/clear his name, as a subsequent sidestory he manipulates Apollo to aid his own goals and helps save some of the Gramarye family/resolve some of the Gramarye family problems.
Why, where is Apollo in this? :)
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I love all the old posts icer put up. They sum things up perfectly.
Whoever said nothing was impossible obviously never tried to close a revolving door.
"Suspense msuic plays" Oh crap, SAVESAVESAVE! Oh wait, that's my phone. And the caller ID is... MOM!?
"Cornered music plays"
Oh, ****
"Suspense msuic plays" Oh crap, SAVESAVESAVE! Oh wait, that's my phone. And the caller ID is... MOM!?
"Cornered music plays"
Oh, ****
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icer wrote:
DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Remember how this is Apollo's first game. At the beginning, they didn't expect there to be a sequel, never mind three more games. So they went all out on Phoenix, but they're expecting more games with Apollo, so they're taking it slow. Also, please explain how Phoenix has personality and Apollo doesn't. I'm waiting.
I don't think they were necessarily 'expecting' more games with Apollo. [So where's GS5 now? Case in point - it wasn't exactly waiting in the wings with Apollo Plot 2, was it?] They expected there might be. So that's no excuse to make such a generic character,
Oh, and how is Phoenix not generic? He's just a copy n' paste hero personality, always doing what he must to save whoever's there! Oh, and I suppose there's some backstory. He had nothing special about him, like the cringe-inducing here comes Justice.
The Objector wrote:
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Apollo runs away from absolutely everything.
Apollo runs away from absolutely everything.
Sorry, what? WHen has Apollo ran away from anything?
The Objector wrote:
Would Apollo run across a burning bridge to save Trucy? Don't think so.
That is completely false. Remember when Trucy got 'kidnapped'? What was Apollo's reaction? HMM?
I'm sick of Phoenix. If he wasn't the main character, he wouldn't get hyped, at all. Hmph.
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Oh, and how is Phoenix not generic? He's just a copy n' paste hero personality, always doing what he must to save whoever's there!
No way. He's selective about who he decides to 'save', not 'whoever's there.' He has to be talked into taking cases not directly related to a close friend.
Copy and paste heroes always end up as hobos and forge evidence!
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Apollo runs away from absolutely everything. shows no initiative to do anything himself. He does what weird mentors tell him
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Would Apollo run across a burning bridge to save Trucy? Don't think so.
That is completely false. Remember when Trucy got 'kidnapped'? What was Apollo's reaction? HMM?
That is completely false. Remember when Trucy got 'kidnapped'? What was Apollo's reaction? HMM?
What, he ran after the kidnapper? Punched out Mr Hat? Apollo may have been distressed that Trucy was in danger, but I doubt he'd run across a burning bridge or take similar such life-risking impulsive action,
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I'm sick of Apollo. If he wasn't the 'main' English titular character, he wouldn't get hyped, at all. Hmph.
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I'm convinced that Phoenix saw a bit of himself in Apollo during whenever their brief meeting was. Apollo is young and energetic and idealistic as well, if you care to look beyond Phoenix's manipulations (ugh, having Phoenix and manipulation in the same sentence just gives me a bad taste in my mouth). He punched Phoenix, remember, when he found out Phoenix forged the trump card evidence?
So, my point is, although Apollo seems underdeveloped at this point compared to Phoenix in GS1, I'm sure that since there is going to be a GS5, that his character will be developed. But to say that he's simply a clone of Phoenix without Phoenix's background or whatever is oversimplifying who Apollo is. There must be something in Apollo's background to have made him into a defense attorney, and we can't simply assume it was money or something (although, I concede that I'm not sure it can get cooler than why Phoenix became a defense attorney - Phoenix's background was just plain amazing).
Finally - I love Phoenix and I don't want to see him go.
Frankly, I still love my Phoenix and Miles combination more than anything Apollo could ever give me, I think, because there's just something special going on there, you know?
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