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Anyway, I noticed something that Edgeworth said in AAI that seemed a bit odd. It sort of clashes with what he said in previous games. First of all, I'm going back to case 1-5:
Spoiler: 1-5
I was at the police department yesterday afternoon... I got back here at 5:12.
People like myself and Mr. Edgeworth pride ourself on our precision, Mr. Wright.However, now in AAI, Edgeworth has this little inner monologue:
Spoiler: AAI demo
So, first he places little faith in his memory and then suddenly he will engrave anything that stands out in his memory? I know he had a little character development between 1-5 and AAI, but this is still a bit odd. Edgeworth wouldn't suddenly put that much more faith in his memory because of the character development that he had. Or would he?
So, what do you say? Did Edgeworth just have that much of a drastic character change or is this a little oversight on Capcom's behalf?
Now here's to hope that nobody else has mentioned this (which would render this thread useless), and that I put this in the right section...
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Masque*Demasquer wrote:
meh. its odd but it works anyway. maybe he played Brain Training all the time he was away?
Yeah, it definitely works, but I can't help but wondering if this was intentional or a mistake at Capcom.
Brain Training, lol =P
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We can always rationalize it as Edgeworth trying to be modest in front of Phoenix and Ema.
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Lunaria42 wrote:
I'm sure it was another unintentional error by Capcom. Whether or not its a bad translations error (in either game), that's to be debated.
We can always rationalize it as Edgeworth trying to be modest in front of Phoenix and Ema.
We can always rationalize it as Edgeworth trying to be modest in front of Phoenix and Ema.
Or perhaps Edgeworth doesn't really remember trite things that are forgettable? And counts on evidence to help fill the gaps. But when it comes to investigating a case, he makes a concerted effort to remember important details. Or something like that.
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crouton wrote:
Lunaria42 wrote:
I'm sure it was another unintentional error by Capcom. Whether or not its a bad translations error (in either game), that's to be debated.
We can always rationalize it as Edgeworth trying to be modest in front of Phoenix and Ema.
We can always rationalize it as Edgeworth trying to be modest in front of Phoenix and Ema.
Or perhaps Edgeworth doesn't really remember trite things that are forgettable? And counts on evidence to help fill the gaps. But when it comes to investigating a case, he makes a concerted effort to remember important details. Or something like that.
That sounds very plausible. I think it's mainly for this explanation that it could work.
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Pierre wrote:
Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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dullahan1 wrote:
Either this or a wizard messed with his mind.
Gummy maybe?
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dullahan1 wrote:
Either this or a wizard messed with his mind.
Gummy maybe?
LOL. Gumshoe's dream finally came true? XD
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dullahan1 wrote:
It's called he's a main character. Main characters are expected to remember things or the game will fail miserably. As a non-playable character, he was allowed to be forgetful. Now that he's the star, he's gotta be competent. That's how it works in the fictional world of gaming. Either this or a wizard messed with his mind.
Oh, I know why Capcom made Edgeworth competent in AAI. It's just... sort of odd, still. But Crouton's explanation also works.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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dullahan1 wrote:
True, but at least he remembers he has evidence... right?
True. Unlike Phoenix sometimes. XD
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crouton wrote:
dullahan1 wrote:
True, but at least he remembers he has evidence... right?
True. Unlike Phoenix sometimes. XD
I don't understand. Since when does Phoenix not remember he has evidence?
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Nurio wrote:
I don't understand. Since when does Phoenix not remember he has evidence?
I feel like there was a part somewhere where Phoenix forgot about something, but then remembered it later... 1-5 maybe? Or maybe I'm just imagining things. ^_^;;
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dullahan1 wrote:
Case 2-1. Duh.
LOL, he pretty much forgot everything there. XD
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crouton wrote:
dullahan1 wrote:
Case 2-1. Duh.
LOL, he pretty much forgot everything there. XD
That ones not his fault though.
I think do recall Phoenix forgetting he had evidence in other cases though.
: Mai Boi, this evidence is what all true lawyers strive for!
: I just wonder what Edgeworth is up to.
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Aura wrote:
That ones not his fault though.
I think do recall Phoenix forgetting he had evidence in other cases though.
I think do recall Phoenix forgetting he had evidence in other cases though.
So I'm not crazy? XD
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crouton wrote:
Aura wrote:
That ones not his fault though.
I think do recall Phoenix forgetting he had evidence in other cases though.
I think do recall Phoenix forgetting he had evidence in other cases though.
So I'm not crazy? XD
I don't think so. xD
Also, it seems as if a lot of stuff said in 1-5 seem to condtradict other parts of the games in the series.
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When Edgeworth needs to prove something to others, he wouldn't simply ask them to trust his word/memory. That is, he wouldn't bother telling people that he arrived at his office at a certain time unless he could prove it. Maybe a habit he picked up as a prosecutor.
But when the player is privy to his thoughts, you find that he has an impeccable memory which allows him to piece things together, even if the evidence isn't in front of him. He just doesn't make it apparent to others unless he can show the evidence.
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Aura wrote:
crouton wrote:
Aura wrote:
That ones not his fault though.
I think do recall Phoenix forgetting he had evidence in other cases though.
I think do recall Phoenix forgetting he had evidence in other cases though.
So I'm not crazy? XD
I don't think so. xD
Also, it seems as if a lot of stuff said in 1-5 seem to condtradict other parts of the games in the series.
That's because 1-5 was made after all the other games were completed (on GBA at least). The information in it is what we like to refer to as "ret-conned" (or however it supposed to be spelled.
I recall Phoenix forgetting evidence too. He also shows his badge to everyone in the games when I play too.
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Spoiler:
He presented some at one point without knowing and going by the original Edgeworth logic of pure evidence, that evidence has lost it's revered place of 'truth' due to it's nature, right?
Though he may just been acting cool and saying what he said adds double weight to what he is saying, saying you left your house at 10:17 would be easily ignored as too percise but if you then show a photo with a clock in, people will believe more.
Edgeworth is all about self-development I think, if he found his memory failing him, he would correct it, though as mentioned somewhere I agree that Edgeworth likely will ignore trite things of little concern, at least he deems of little concern, buuut an example of improvement (even if useless)
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crouton wrote:
Nurio wrote:
I don't understand. Since when does Phoenix not remember he has evidence?
I feel like there was a part somewhere where Phoenix forgot about something, but then remembered it later... 1-5 maybe? Or maybe I'm just imagining things. ^_^;;
Well, 1-5 had so much evidence he'd be bound to forget something... Maybe it's the screwdriver that he never saw as real evidence up to the last moment in the case?
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I think both statements can be true.
When Edgeworth needs to prove something to others, he wouldn't simply ask them to trust his word/memory. That is, he wouldn't bother telling people that he arrived at his office at a certain time unless he could prove it. Maybe a habit he picked up as a prosecutor.
But when the player is privy to his thoughts, you find that he has an impeccable memory which allows him to piece things together, even if the evidence isn't in front of him. He just doesn't make it apparent to others unless he can show the evidence.
When Edgeworth needs to prove something to others, he wouldn't simply ask them to trust his word/memory. That is, he wouldn't bother telling people that he arrived at his office at a certain time unless he could prove it. Maybe a habit he picked up as a prosecutor.
But when the player is privy to his thoughts, you find that he has an impeccable memory which allows him to piece things together, even if the evidence isn't in front of him. He just doesn't make it apparent to others unless he can show the evidence.
Now that's interesting too... I don't know what to believe anymore, it all sounds good
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Well, a quarter inch is very small, so it's very easy to make a mistake and the littlest mistake can ruin the whole crane at such a small size. Add to that, that he can do it flawless. I also believe that the crane is not one of the easiest to do, so yeah, that's good. (I think...)
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Nurio wrote:
First of all, I'm going back to case 1-5:
Spoiler: 1-5
Spoiler: 2-4
That's another moment where he trusts his memory.
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Brawldud wrote:
Nurio wrote:
First of all, I'm going back to case 1-5:
Spoiler: 1-5
Spoiler: 2-4
That's another moment where he trusts his memory.
Ah... I guess I missed that. But now it got more confusing.
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There is only one possible conclusion, and that is he started to trust his memory during that one year he was gone after leaving that note in his office immediately following 1-5. It is the undeniable truth.
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Brawldud wrote:
Actually, it doesn't get more confusing. We've narrowed it down to one time period.
There is only one possible conclusion, and that is he started to trust his memory during that one year he was gone after leaving that note in his office immediately following 1-5. It is the undeniable truth.
There is only one possible conclusion, and that is he started to trust his memory during that one year he was gone after leaving that note in his office immediately following 1-5. It is the undeniable truth.
That's true. But the other possibility is that it was just an oversight on Capcom's end
Croik wrote:
I think you guys are putting too much thought into what it supposed to be a simple game mechanic. When Edgeworth gets a piece of information that isn't actual evidence, he has to "store" it somewhere. Since GK does not include court cases and therefore there is no "Court Record" they just replaced it by saying that Edgeworth remembers everything. They could have said he keeps a notebook or something, but it's hard to picture Edgeworth scribbling into a journal or keeping post its - that's more of an Ema thing.
Oh, I know that... But even a game mechanic should stay true to the story/character.
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Evidence has more credibility in court than a good memory.
Edgeworth, being the way he is, carries that mentality even outside of the courtroom. His having a good memory is a means to an end, of finding each piece of evidence that will lead to the truth.
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Nurio wrote:
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Oh, I know that... But even a game mechanic should stay true to the story/character.
Oh, I know that... But even a game mechanic should stay true to the story/character.
Despite the one funny sentence in the opening post there is no hint in all 3 games, that Edgeworth is forgetful. He is portrayed as a man who uses his brain as his main weapon.
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axl99 wrote:
Apart from what Croik already said, I'd think it's also a matter of interpreting the sentences.
Evidence has more credibility in court than a good memory.
Edgeworth, being the way he is, carries that mentality even outside of the courtroom. His having a good memory is a means to an end, of finding each piece of evidence that will lead to the truth.
Evidence has more credibility in court than a good memory.
Edgeworth, being the way he is, carries that mentality even outside of the courtroom. His having a good memory is a means to an end, of finding each piece of evidence that will lead to the truth.
But apparently, Edgeworth has used his memory in case 2-4 (See Brawldud's post a few posts up), so I can't really say this is completely true.
Lusankya wrote:
Nurio wrote:
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Oh, I know that... But even a game mechanic should stay true to the story/character.
Oh, I know that... But even a game mechanic should stay true to the story/character.
Despite the one funny sentence in the opening post there is no hint in all 3 games, that Edgeworth is forgetful. He is portrayed as a man who uses his brain as his main weapon.
True. But then that means that the thing in 1-5 is out of character.
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Nurio wrote:
True. But then that means that the thing in 1-5 is out of character.
Lots of things in 1-5 were out of character...
Though 1-5 takes place before Edgeworth's "reformation" and Kenji is after. You could say that while he was away from home finding himself and the True Meaning of Justice (tm) he stopped being so anal about writing things down. Game 1 Edgeworth is very different than how he is in the rest of the series after all.
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Croik wrote:
Nurio wrote:
True. But then that means that the thing in 1-5 is out of character.
Lots of things in 1-5 were out of character...
Though 1-5 takes place before Edgeworth's "reformation" and Kenji is after. You could say that while he was away from home finding himself and the True Meaning of Justice (tm) he stopped being so anal about writing things down. Game 1 Edgeworth is very different than how he is in the rest of the series after all.
You're right! Now I remember it. It was one of the main things that annoyed me about 1-5! So, basically, we all agree that Edgey has changed that much between 1-5 and 2-4/GK? And that's it not an oversight on Capcom's behalf? (Or maybe it's both...? Paradox!)
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