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I was expecting someone to just put edgey's head on :grossburg: 's body, but not with that much modification. :meekins:
Pray to god the "edgey maffia" approves of it :karma:


LOL. XD So... am I the mob boss? XD


Cool, can I be the underboss? Haha!

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Oh yeah, forgot about Grossberg. Really don't care to see him ever. Don't care for Morgan Fey either.

If Maggey Byrde still has that bad attitude that she had in the Tres Bien case, then she can hit the road.

I guess I now know that one of the unwritten rules of this forum Woe be to anyone who hates Miles. That Thin Ice picture? It might as well be quicksand. I don't hate him though. But I like Apollo no matter what the haters say.
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But none of those people are main characters.
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Capybara wrote:
But none of those people are main characters.


Maybe this will help people decide.

Here's all of the characters that appeared in more than one of the PW games (gs1-3):
:phoenix: :edgeworth: :udgy: :maya: :pearl: :franny: :godot: :larry: :eh?: :lotta-smug: :payne:
And maybe :maggy: :adrian: :grossburg: :will: :meekins:
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:odoroki: :minuki: :hobohodo: :kyouya: :garyuu: :sassy: :udgy:

Really :phoenix: and :udgy: are the champs because they appeared in all 4 games.

EDIT: Can't beleive i left ouy :payne: and :meekins: . Updated.


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Johnny Rotan wrote:
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But none of those people are main characters.


Maybe this will help people decide.

Here's all of the characters that appeared in more than one of the PW games (gs1-3):
:phoenix: :edgeworth: :udgy: :maya: :pearl: :franny: :godot: :larry: :eh?: :lotta-smug:
And maybe :maggy: :adrian: :grossburg: :will:
From AJ:
:odoroki: :minuki: :hobohodo: :kyouya: :garyuu: :sassy: :udgy:

Really :phoenix: and :udgy: are the champs because they appeared in all 4 games.


Well, a main character who in my opinion, appears in more than one case in a game. Lotta is an exception, due to the fact nothing she does majorly affects the main plot of the series.
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By that logic, Meekins is a main character.
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Alright... main characters. My opinion, they've been in 3 or more cases, they are main, so I'll list the ones I could do without.

:grossburg: Really, other than getting blackmailed that one time, I never saw the purpose of his character. All he does is talk about lemons and his aching butt, both I could do without. Also, the game data itself claims it doesn't need him. Heck, he only got 2 sprites. He's forcing himself to try to fit into a game.

:lotta: She was in 3 cases and she annoyed me, more in court than out, but still. Her constant paparazzi is annoying and her pictures suck.

:oldbag: Seriously, the only mild humorous thing is her obsessiveness over the obviously sexually ambigious Edgeworth. Other than that, I hate her. She jabbers too much like Lotta about things that don't matter and she annoys the heck out of me. Her and Lotta was what made me not like 2-4 so much.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
By that logic, Meekins is a main character.

By that logic, Winston Paine would be, too.

Honestly, I could do without the judge. How could such and incompetent person become a judge anyway? :yuusaku:


Probably Larry, too. He gave me a few chuckles, but he mostly just made me face-palm myself....
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
By that logic, Meekins is a main character.


I mean in the same game. :grey: (Should have elaborated more)
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I'd actually like to take back what I said about :pearly:. I've found someone who's much worse than her :yogi:

:grossburg: - I don't give a damn if he's such a fat waste of space or his speech is like toxic.... but selling out someone's mother just for cash is unforgivable in my eyes. hell - even just looking at him keeps giving me mental images of him smelling and being hairy and being in a thong :beef:

I know I'm gonna get shot for this (and possibly sent death-threats), But I ALSO cannot stand :sassy: as well :zenitora:. I don't care if people love her or not..... but her attitude just makes me utter sick. I mean - I preffered GumShoe over her :sadshoe:
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hell - even just looking at him keeps giving me mental images of him smelling and being hairy and being in a thong :beef:

Why, thank you for putting that image in my head.... :Pizza2:
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hell - even just looking at him keeps giving me mental images of him smelling and being hairy and being in a thong :beef:

Why, thank you for putting that image in my head.... :Pizza2:


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Johnny Rotan wrote:
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hell - even just looking at him keeps giving me mental images of him smelling and being hairy and being in a thong :beef:

Why, thank you for putting that image in my head.... :Pizza2:


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And i thought that post about :chef: in a floral thong was bad enough :beef: :scratch:


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I think I may have been a tad harsh on Klavier, but he was a good character. But he could've been a better side character. He could have appeared in Case 3, done something in Case 4, and I would've been happy. But I didn't think he was any good as the main prosecutor.
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I'd say Machi and Edgeworth (yep, I am asking for some biiiiig punishment)

I actually like all the AA characters and it just wouldn't be the same game if they missed out even one character.
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I actually like all the AA characters and it just wouldn't be the same game if they missed out even one character.


Me too. I think all of them bring a new angle to the game, and I like all of them.
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I'd say Machi and Edgeworth (yep, I am asking for some biiiiig punishment)

I actually like all the AA characters and it just wouldn't be the same game if they missed out even one character.


I can agree with you on Machi. As much as I feel sorry about his background history..... just looking at him makes me want to gouge my eyes out and to top it off, that 'horrible' smile he does right at the end.... :chinami:

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i like all MAIN characters. but if i have to choose ill choose apollo :odoroki:.
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And.... when is someone a main character?


A character that appears twice in the same game in different cases in my opinion. Lotta is the only exception.
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Ini Freaking Miney.

Strangely the only character who grinds my patience into dust.

Oh, wait, I forget Wellington. Him as well.
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Oh gee the Judge, both of them! Two Judges, related, what do you do to become a Judge in the PW world? I think they must be the Gumshoe of Judges, with such low pay from cuts that they have to constantly work without holidays.

Though then again, maybe he works as often as Phoenix does, once every 3 months or so. Hmm.

Would be nice to see a new Judge, maybe a former prosecutor become a Judge. Judge Godot, yeah! No gavel but a coffee mug instead.
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Oh gee the Judge, both of them! Two Judges, related, what do you do to become a Judge in the PW world? I think they must be the Gumshoe of Judges, with such low pay from cuts that they have to constantly work without holidays.

Though then again, maybe he works as often as Phoenix does, once every 3 months or so. Hmm.

Would be nice to see a new Judge, maybe a former prosecutor become a Judge. Judge Godot, yeah! No gavel but a coffee mug instead.


But without the Judge, court scenes would be boring.
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I'd say Machi and Edgeworth (yep, I am asking for some biiiiig punishment)

I actually like all the AA characters and it just wouldn't be the same game if they missed out even one character.


I can agree with you on Machi. As much as I feel sorry about his background history..... just looking at him makes me want to gouge my eyes out and to top it off, that 'horrible' smile he does right at the end.... :chinami:


*stabs own leg with pen out of sight* Sorry? What about him- Err, I mean, how is he a main character? I suppose with the connection to Lamiroir, but then with other people "Ini"? Even "Wellington"? Ugh.

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OH CHRIST I CANT HOLD IT IN I MUST ARGUE What about him makes you want to gouge your eyes out? I can't really work with much information, (again, over the past 2 days, I've become a self-proclaimed proffesional arguer over minor things) but what is it? The perfectly round head? No, that's ridiculous. I read somewhere he sort of was meant to have a creepy innocent look. And the smile was also meant to represent despite everything, he was still a child.

I'd post more, but I'm rather tired ATM.

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Oh gee the Judge, both of them! Two Judges, related, what do you do to become a Judge in the PW world? I think they must be the Gumshoe of Judges, with such low pay from cuts that they have to constantly work without holidays.

Though then again, maybe he works as often as Phoenix does, once every 3 months or so. Hmm.

Would be nice to see a new Judge, maybe a former prosecutor become a Judge. Judge Godot, yeah! No gavel but a coffee mug instead.


But without the Judge, court scenes would be boring.


Not to mention non-existant.
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I'd say Machi and Edgeworth (yep, I am asking for some biiiiig punishment)

I actually like all the AA characters and it just wouldn't be the same game if they missed out even one character.


I can agree with you on Machi. As much as I feel sorry about his background history..... just looking at him makes me want to gouge my eyes out and to top it off, that 'horrible' smile he does right at the end.... :chinami:


*stabs own leg with pen out of sight* Sorry? What about him- Err, I mean, how is he a main character? I suppose with the connection to Lamiroir, but then with other people "Ini"? Even "Wellington"? Ugh.

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OH CHRIST I CANT HOLD IT IN I MUST ARGUE What about him makes you want to gouge your eyes out? I can't really work with much information, (again, over the past 2 days, I've become a self-proclaimed proffesional arguer over minor things) but what is it? The perfectly round head? No, that's ridiculous. I read somewhere he sort of was meant to have a creepy innocent look. And the smile was also meant to represent despite everything, he was still a child.

I'd post more, but I'm rather tired ATM.

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Oh gee the Judge, both of them! Two Judges, related, what do you do to become a Judge in the PW world? I think they must be the Gumshoe of Judges, with such low pay from cuts that they have to constantly work without holidays.

Though then again, maybe he works as often as Phoenix does, once every 3 months or so. Hmm.

Would be nice to see a new Judge, maybe a former prosecutor become a Judge. Judge Godot, yeah! No gavel but a coffee mug instead.


But without the Judge, court scenes would be boring.


Not to mention non-existant.


^Blame what's his face for mentioning him :Hoboright:

I'm not going to start a whole flame war.... but my reasons on me hating him would be completly petty and stupid to you. But your right. He's just to 'creepy' in my eyes to like and everytime I see him, I just want to grab my AA game - and flush it down the toilet pan. not to metion it also wants me to get a sprite of Machi - print it - and rip it up into a hundred little pieces. I feel sorry for what he's gone through.... but his 'creepy' innoence and his 'retarded' smile right at the end..... it is so ANNOYING!!!! :chinami:

Don't take it the wrong way. I know you'd end up tearing me to shreads because I bashed your favourite character. But Gawd I had to get it out. Yes, he's still a child.... but imho, I prefer :pearly: over him.

I've hated him. Always. end of topic :pft:.

And yes. I HATE his FUCKING guts. Now I am done :pearl:

Also never liked :bro: as well. Not having the same stupidity as :udgy: and the fact that you didn't see a lot of sense of drama when he ran trials..... yeah, boring indeed ¬_¬'

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This is a tough question. If this was just ANY character I could do without, you could sit here all day listening to me.

But MAIN characters...

I'd say Klavier. Ja? Ja? Fraulein? And yet he speaks perfect English every other goddamned moment of the game. Kristoph was a beast, though, so he stays on my cool list.

And if Machi is a main character, FUCK him. I hated that kid, to be honest.

Other than that, I love the main characters. To all you Judge haters, though, I say this:

How DARE you?! The judge has been around since the dawn of time! He is a monster! I love that guy. His brother gets points too, but my main man :udgy: kicks butt.
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I'm not exactly a Judge hater, but seriously, Udgey needs a break. We can always get another wacko Judge to fill in the role, it's not hard.
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Ini Freaking Miney.

Strangely the only character who grinds my patience into dust.

Oh, wait, I forget Wellington. Him as well.


She's not even a main character... And neither is he.
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I'm not exactly a Judge hater, but seriously, Udgey needs a break. We can always get another wacko Judge to fill in the role, it's not hard.

But... We already had another wacko Judge.

And nobody liked him.

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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I'm not exactly a Judge hater, but seriously, Udgey needs a break. We can always get another wacko Judge to fill in the role, it's not hard.

But... We already had another wacko Judge.

And nobody liked him.

At all.


I liked Brudgey. He was pretty funny, but I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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I liked the judges bro too, but no-one can replace Udgey, NO-ONE!!!!
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Ini Freaking Miney.

Strangely the only character who grinds my patience into dust.

Oh, wait, I forget Wellington. Him as well.


She's not even a main character... And neither is he.


You want me to say someone like Phoenix, Maya or Edgeworth? But...they're all so awesome. :S

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I'm not exactly a Judge hater, but seriously, Udgey needs a break. We can always get another wacko Judge to fill in the role, it's not hard.

But... We already had another wacko Judge.

And nobody liked him.

At all.


He was okay and had his moments "Are...You...High!", but yeah, Mr Wacky-But-Always-Makes-The-Wright*ba-dum-tish*-Decision Udgey is unbeatable. He doesn't even age one bit after 7 years!
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Ulala wrote:
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Ini Freaking Miney.

Strangely the only character who grinds my patience into dust.

Oh, wait, I forget Wellington. Him as well.


She's not even a main character... And neither is he.


You want me to say someone like Phoenix, Maya or Edgeworth? But...they're all so awesome. :S


:sadshoe: Well, no... But someone like Lotta or Mike Meekins is acceptable, 'cuz they've appeared in more than one game.
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Woah! I'm surprised I seem to be in the complete opposite boat of the "Klavier was boring/useless" opinion. He's not one of my top favorite characters or anything, but I found him to be necessary as Apollo's opposing prosecutor (obviously haha) and a ~breath of fresh air~ compared to the previous prosecutors we've encountered.

Up until him it was blahblah PERSONAL VENDETTA blah blah REVENGE blah bullying the judge (don't get me wrong- I love Edgeworth, Franziska, Godot and even Manfred, but it was always just the same. old. thing.) Then GS4 arrived; a prosecutor willing to do his job honestly and, to the best of his abilities, find the actual truth? Imagine that!

And yeah, he tested Apollo a lot with hints but didn't Mia kind of do that for Phoenix too?

Klavier babble aside! If I had to choose a "main" character I find the most pointless, I'd probably be poor Larry. He's kind of in that Meekins position for me; plopped in a lot of turnabouts for a dash of over-the-top humor and silliness. I enjoy him but he doesn't... really do too much.
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Seems like I agree with most of the people named here.

Pearl and Larry could've been left out or otherwise been replaced if you ask me.

Though suddenly I am reminded on her Maya x Phoenix support and his crazy story about Iris flying through the sky.

Gosh, that scene made me laugh so hard. He flew to the air like this: Woooooosh! :phoenix:
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And yeah, he tested Apollo a lot with hints but didn't Mia kind of do that for Phoenix too?


But Klavier was the prosecutor. He's not supposed to help! If they wanted him to find the truth blah blah everyone feel sorry for me because my brother's a poopy head then make him the defense lawyer. >_>
Nothing against the character, just the role wasn't suitable.
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Capybara wrote:
Leesers wrote:
And yeah, he tested Apollo a lot with hints but didn't Mia kind of do that for Phoenix too?


But Klavier was the prosecutor. He's not supposed to help! If they wanted him to find the truth blah blah everyone feel sorry for me because my brother's a poopy head then make him the defense lawyer. >_>
Nothing against the character, just the role wasn't suitable.


I agree. The main problem with Klavier is that he's mainly on your side. Even if he wasn't so bad a character, he wasn't a very good antagonist for Apollo because of it. All of the prosecutors that Phoenix went up against shared apposing views. Phoenix tried his hardest to defend his client, and the prosecutors (for whatever reason) tried their best to him/her in jail. That's why Phoenix vs. Edgeworth felt much more epic than Apollo vs. Klavier. Apollo just seems to have too many allies.
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AddleBoy wrote:
Capybara wrote:
But Klavier was the prosecutor. He's not supposed to help! If they wanted him to find the truth blah blah everyone feel sorry for me because my brother's a poopy head then make him the defense lawyer. >_> Nothing against the character, just the role wasn't suitable.


I agree. The main problem with Klavier is that he's mainly on your side. Even if he wasn't so bad a character, he wasn't a very good antagonist for Apollo because of it. All of the prosecutors that Phoenix went up against shared apposing views. Phoenix tried his hardest to defend his client, and the prosecutors (for whatever reason) tried their best to him/her in jail. That's why Phoenix vs. Edgeworth felt much more epic than Apollo vs. Klavier. Apollo just seems to have too many allies.


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But why is it so terrible that he would ease back on his forcefulness sometimes? Because the other prosecutors were driven by selfish methods to obtain a goal that had nothing to do with getting a truly guilty party charged, as much as "showing Wright who's boss", so he should be that way too?

He was different from what we've dealt with time and time again but I don't think that made him dispensable or unnecessary, which is what this topic is about. I appreciate a new approach being taken for fourth game in a series. He fought just as tauntingly (mean nicknames and all! XD) and rough as the others at the beginning of the turnabouts, but only up until the truth dawned on him. He still strongly did his job. He just (for once) didn't use selfish methods to do so, thus his attitude would change when the truth became apparent.

I didn't think the goal was quite to "pity" Klavier as you say Capybara; I thought the two cases where the guilty party ended up being someone close to him, and Klavier still knowing he had to let Apollo put them away, allowed him to be juxtaposed even more strongly against the previous prosecutors. Regardless of the twists that took place, he knew the truth had to prevail. And I think a prosecutor like that was needed for a story with Phoenix's secret plot involving the jurist system taking place behind the scenes. You couldn't have too many overbearing self righteous things going on. And only personally speaking, I found Kristoph's venom strong enough to fill that void of "bitter rival" for me.

I don't think I would have enjoyed the game half as much if it was the same tactic repeated again. An antagonist doesn't have to be the villain of the story, just the one who opposes the protagonist- and isn't that still what Klavier did? I think it's being forgotten that he did still fight strongly to put them in jail. I can completely agree that Apollo had quite a few allies, but aside from Klavier (who only eased up at a certain point) it was the same Trucy/Maya, Ema/Gumshoe dynamic that helped. Phoenix was cryptic, at best, during AJ yet during his own three games he had Mia, and sometimes (Trials & Tribs) even Edgeworth and Franziska on his side (which was SO AWESOME by the way haha X3).

But please understand! None of this is meant to be overly argumentative or sound mean in any way. ;_; You guys bring up awesome points, and I can absolutely see where you're coming from. But with being the minority on this view, I'm just attempting to explain why (personally) I don't think Klavier is THE one main character the Ace Attorney storyline could do without. He was necessary and shaped well for the story he was within. That's all. =) <3

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