I made that joke in DahliaxKristoph thread.

But really, it has more meaning this time. Seeds vs. ray gun.

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LOL That would be cool

I wonder if Victor can shut Oldbag up by throwing seeds into her mouth when she's talking
Haha, I can just imagine that!

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But which kind of seed?

I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorryfjdfjdlsk;j

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She talks so much they'd just get blown right back out. They wouldn't have time to build up.

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Oldbag could probably break bullets with her teeth if she really talked fast, you think seeds can stop her?

CAN'T UNSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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After all, she IS the windy Oldbag.

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Well, he can go for the ultimate move and shove his whole seed box in her face

Or is that too violent for a pairing?

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That's a bit too violent, I think. And he wouldn't do that. He'd have nothing left to eat-because he DOES eat them himself.
Also: Poor Oldbag! He has an infinite ammo code in that thing! Imagine Oldbag, seeds pouring down her throat for the rest of her life/eternity, whichever comes first.

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No such thing as "too violent" where Oldbag is concerned =P

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AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!





This is true. XD

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I guess that would kill the pairing if Victor really did that. Poor Oldbag!!

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I think it would be a love-hate thing. I mean, they wouldn't constantly be arguing but well, they'll argue a lot.

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Man! Love-hate is really fit for those two, they are too damn hot - tempered!

As for me, the love-love thing I would prefer for her would be x cause that would also mean x (I'm referring to the ray gun).

Yay! Crack pairings FTW!

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I read the first part as hot. 0_O

Yogi's too depressing to be with Oldbag though. D:

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I don't think so. Yogi had a fiance. At best it would be /:polly:

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I totally agree. I bet she'd get angry when he "forgets" something, and couldn't put up with Polly either XD

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So...um...why don't people like Larry/Iris? I know Larry can be a bit of a ditz and do stupid crap all the time, but he really seems to care a lot for his friends. After all, in 1-4, he runs into court to save Edgey's butt, a guy he hasn't seen in 15 years. His head's in the clouds sure, but he and Iris both seem like simple people who just want to be happy and be with people they love. They're not like Phoenix or Edgeworth with their grand ideas of justice or Maya with her plan to become the head of a village, Franziska and her quest for perfection, or Godot and his revenge. I don't know, they seem to mesh well to me.

Larry reminds me so much of young Phoenix. The impulsive, immature, loud, obsessive, and romatically challenged kid she met in college. Iris loved that Phoenix, so I don't see why it would be so impossible for her to fall in love with Larry who is so much like Phoenix used to be.

Thoughts?

I don't like Larry/Iris because he can do better =P

And I love his perving on Maya.

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I think it's an interesting idea. I think if they showed up together in a later game I wouldn't be shocked. It's just a little strange to root for Larry in any pairing because it's hard to take him seriously. Sure he hit on Iris a lot in that case (before knowing she was Phoenix's girlfriend) but he also flirts with almost every woman you see him interact with (and several off screen). I find it hard to imagine him in a long-lasting relationship with someone.

Then again, if he's with Iris and Bikini alone on a mountaintop, at least there aren't other women around to tempt him...?

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What do you all think of / ?

When you think about it, is essentially a girl version of , minus the evil, of course.

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Larry is clueless, delusional, headstrong, impulsive, immature, imbecilic, and otherwise incompetent at anything he strives for. Furthermore, although he may have good intentions, they usually lead to disaster, and frequent breakups ensue. This is why most of us don’t like to see him paired with anyone at all.
He’s a loser.
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He hit on Iris for one reason, and he himself professed this.
“She’s cute”
That qualifies as physical attraction. Whether it is enduring longing or simply a passing crush, is left for the player to decide. However, Larry himself should qualify as an exception…because he contradicts himself way to much. Remember just a few moments ago he swore off women. Next he decides to join with her in nuptials. Fickle much?
And after the first day of the trial, all interest ceased. Maybe it’s simply because he is no longer present, but he no longer pesters Iris, and doesn’t even go after Wright for, in his mind, “stealing her.”
Your last statement, Croik, is something that I myself was about to present. There were no other suitable mates for him at the time he decided to become a "monk".

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What's with the Larry/Iris bashing? I actually like that pairing!

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I bashed Larry, not Iris.
But I don't like Larry, not one bit.

The reason that I propose for a significant number of people being fans of the pairing is because it eliminates Iris as a potential competitor for Phoenix, similar to how many Phoenix/Iris fans, myself not included, like Larry/Maya.

The pairing is completely skewed and would not work out in any way. Larry is not like college Phoenix at all, no, Larry is like pre-K Phoenix, if such an entity existed.

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But don't you see that that's exactly the appeal!? Sure Larry only liked Iris because she was cute, but that was Phoenix's reasoning too. He didn't know Dahlia at all when she gave him the necklace and said it was "true love" which led him to date Iris. In the same way, Larry's attracted to Iris because of her appearance, but that doesn't mean he couldn't come to love her like Phoenix did.
And I might point out that young Phoenix was also delusional and clueless("my Dollie doesn't poop!), headstrong (refusing to believe Dahlia would betray him despite all the evidence pointing to this fact), impulsive (swallowing a possibly poisoned bole), immature (when he told Mia he was the most mature of his friends, she said something along the lines of "oh boy"), and incompotent to the degree that Mia pointed out that a girl like Dahila would never go out with a guy like him. And I don't see how his poor judgement makes him unworthy of Iris. She hasn't always made the best decisions either. Oh and Phoenix was basically a loser too, I might point out.

And I can understand why Larry would lay off Iris if he thought Phoenix was still interested in her; he is loyal to his friends, although immature enough to make a big deal out of it.

I don't think people give Larry enough credit. He seemed to care about his girlriends and did a number of things for them devoutedly (making a statue, wearing a ridiculous costume, going out in the middle of a freezing lake) and it's not Larry who ended the relationships either. He really seemed to care about Cindy for example because at the end of the case you can present the statue to him to prove that she did reciprocate his feelings.

I don't know, I like it because it reminds me of College Phoenix and Iris.

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Why does it always have to be about "getting in the way?" I don't like Larry/Iris in a "pair the spares" sense. I just think they'd be good together and I like Phoenix/Iris too as well as Larry/Maya. It's just that I really do see Larry and College Phoenix as very similar.

Can't someone like it without it being about "removing a competitor?" *sigh*

Like I said, good intentions don't always work out.
I love how you can have such lightheartedness when debating this. I've resolved to no longer bashing but to simple proof.

But don't you see that that's exactly the appeal!? Sure Larry only liked Iris because she was cute, but that was Phoenix's reasoning too.

That was only the start. I'm sure they had much more to go on about.
And you still have no proof. Until you do, it's just conjecture.


He didn't know Dahlia at all when she gave him the necklace and said it was "true love" which led him to date Iris. In the same way, Larry's attracted to Iris because of her appearance, but that doesn't mean he couldn't come to love her like Phoenix did.

But the thing is, Iris isn't in love with him. She won't reciprocate. You see, she's still in love with the man she dated five years ago. Now, whether he returns those feelings is a debate I'm in progress with on other boards,(not on C-R)
So until she can let that go, which is unlikely seeing as how she still loved him five years after, Larry doesn't have a chance against the buff, manly, smart, and successful Phoenix Wright.
Exaggerations describing Phoenix, but you get the point


And I might point out that young Phoenix was also delusional and clueless("my Dollie doesn't poop!)

I don't think Iris ever heard him say that...eyuck.
Back on topic. He wasn't delusional, he was trying to protect the woman that made him happy. Forcing you to testify against your girlfriend is not something many people can bring themselves to do at first.
And by suggesting vulgar acts in front of the court that bring such humiliation, well, Phoenix was defending her dignity, albeit in a ridiculous manner.


, headstrong (refusing to believe Dahlia would betray him despite all the evidence pointing to this fact)

He refused to believe "The woman he dated" would betray him. Seriously, it's quoted from the script


, impulsive (swallowing a possibly poisoned bole)

Contradicts your statement about being delusional. That action signified that he finally realized she was guilty. Otherwise, what's the point in destroying evidence?

, immature (when he told Mia he was the most mature of his friends, she said something along the lines of "oh boy"), and incompotent to the degree that Mia pointed out that a girl like Dahila would never go out with a guy like him.

A girl like Dahlia.

He went out with Iris, not Dahlia. Dahlia never intended for a relationship other than a killer-victim one.

And I don't see how his poor judgement makes him unworthy of Iris. She hasn't always made the best decisions either. Oh and Phoenix was basically a loser too, I might point out.

When did Phoenix ever imply himself as being a loser?
Mia was amazed that Dahlia would do such a thing probably because of their contrasting personalities in court. But first impressions aren't the deciding factor. Ever heard of "Don't judge a book by it's cover?"

Yup, I apologize in advance for acting like a jerk. It's just that I have to get into my debate mentality before I can successfully "debate".
My previous ventures, when adding side jokes, have been accused of off-topicness on gameFAQs, so I can't really do it anymore. Sorry

And it's not that I think Larry/Iris kills Phoenix/Iris, it's just that I genuinely dislike the pairing. I like Edgeworth/Iris for example.
Discuss / !!!!!

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"That was only the start. I'm sure they had much more to go on about.
And you still have no proof. Until you do, it's just conjecture."

I'm a bit confused by this...um...sure it was just the start, but it took a while for Phoenix and Iris to fall in love. Larry didn't really get a chance to get to know her for this to happen. And, if you could clarify what you mean by the second part? I mean, Iris and Phoenix basically only started dating because of Dahlia, so we know that Phoenix was attracted to her (at first) because of her looks.

"But the thing is, Iris isn't in love with him. She won't reciprocate. You see, she's still in love with the man she dated five years ago. Now, whether he returns those feelings is a debate I'm in progress with on other boards,(not on C-R)
So until she can let that go, which is unlikely seeing as how she still loved him five years after"

I can see what you mean, but I do think that part of the reason Iris couldn't move on was because she knew she never got closure. I don't mean that Phoenix and Iris couldn't get together again after five years (I'd like that too), but you have to admit that loving him and not being able to move on with her life for Five Years shows, to me, that Iris was unable to let it go because she knew Phoenix was ignorant of the truth (it's also not healthy to not move on after so long). Phoenix moved on and began a career because he thought he knew what had happened (even though he didn't). Once Iris can get past this, she could renew her relationship with Phoenix or start one with someone else now that she no longer felt beholden to him. One of the things that I found interesting was that in 5 years, Iris changed remarkably little while Phoenix changed a lot. In part, I think it's because she's held on to this secret.

"He wasn't delusional, he was trying to protect the woman that made him happy. Forcing you to testify against your girlfriend is not something many people can bring themselves to do at first.
And by suggesting vulgar acts in front of the court that bring such humiliation, well, Phoenix was defending her dignity, albeit in a ridiculous manner."

Um..Mia just suggested that she took a bathroom break (like any normal human being), I would hardly call that a vulgar act that needed to be protected against sullying her dignity. But it also shows, again, just how much of a spaz Phoenix was, kind of how Larry is now, lol. Making ridiculous statements left and right.

"He refused to believe "The woman he dated" would betray him. Seriously, it's quoted from the script"

I understand what you mean, but I think you need to consider that, at the time, there was no way for Phoenix to know that it was Dahlia and not Iris. Being presented with incriminating evidence and then being told by someone with the face of the person you love that they can’t stand you is pretty rock-solid proof. I understand what you mean, but rationally, Phoenix was being headstrong when he refused to concede to the, at the time, overwhelming evidence. The fact that he didn’t notice immediately that something was wrong when Dahlia took the stand is further evidence of the fact that she can masquerade as her sister effectively.

"Contradicts your statement about being delusional. That action signified that he finally realized she was guilty. Otherwise, what's the point in destroying evidence?"

Swallowing the necklace doesn’t prove that Phoenix believed Dahlia was guilty. He was doing what he had been trying to do all along: protecting her. He might have even believed it was falsely incriminating her and was merely circumstantial. I’ve got to say that I find swallowing a potentially fatal object to be rather impulsive since he didn’t think that if it really was poisoned, he would die, thus condemning her more. In fact, this merely proves that he was convinced enough of her innocence to stake his life on it.

"A girl like Dahlia.

He went out with Iris, not Dahlia. Dahlia never intended for a relationship other than a killer-victim one.

Of course, it was Iris he dated, but at this point Mia was trying to prove to him that Dahlia was using him for his killing scheme. The point she was trying to make wasn’t that a killer like Dahlia would never go out with a guy like Phoenix but why would a seemingly beautiful, graceful, girl like Dahlia go out with him for any other reason than to use him. Mia thought that Dahlia, and on that note Iris, was out of Phoenix’s league and telling him so.

"When did Phoenix ever imply himself as being a loser?"

Phoenix didn’t label himself a loser, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t one, lol, at least in college.
It’s a lot of fun debating you! I hope I haven’t been disrespectful, as that wasn’t my intention!

Sure, but not just that. Phoenix was smitten, instantly, by Dahlia. However, physical attraction alone isn't capable of carrying on a relationship for that long. I'm sure Larry and Iris have some similarities, but not enough for successful dates. Notice that there is not one simulation of a Larry/Iris date on the net, but plenty of Phoenix/Iris ones, mostly because there is nothing really for Larry and Iris to go on after.
And Larry is physically unattractive. Although he is well-intentioned, he generally leads to disaster, which is something Iris has had enough of in her life.



This will be a rehearsed answer from my own pairing debate thread.
No, Iris could not have let that have been closure unless she cared very deeply about what Phoenix would have thought of her after she confessed.
And similarly, she would not have kept on calling him his lover's name, Feenie, after the confession. Even at the beginning of the confession, she refers to him as "Mr. Wright".
And Iris could not have moved on, because as always, she's symbolically isolated, in the jail cell. Phoenix comes and visits her (twice if I may say), and that is her only opening.



Yes, but lovers don't talk about taking a bathroom break (unless absolutely necessary at the moment.). Actually, now that I think of it, Phoenix was probably trying to de-rail the topic away from how Dahlia suspiciously left.
Larry is not that kind of a spaz. He doesn't appreciate Iris the same way Phoenix did in how he said that.



That rock solid proof you refer to is circumstantial evidence. They had yet to prove the bottle was the entity that contained the poison itself. That, and that Phoenix already knew...remember that he saw his girlfriend next to Doug Swallow.
Larry is headstrong in the sense that he doesn't get a hint of rejection. Iris has pretty much ignored his very existence up till the first court-day, and certainly wasn't aware of his feelings. The point that he is impulsive is that he pretty much concluded that Nick and Iris were having an affair because of a hood as a gift.
Phoenix's headstrong, if you call it that, is different. If you take the number of characteristics that exist and take the number of people that exist, then you get a lot of emotionally identical people. I mean A LOT. This contradicts the fact that every human being has unique DNA, so you can't have characteristically identical people. CollegePhoenix and Larry are very different, because Phoenix was actually smart enough to get into college, suggesting more complex emotions and traits. Larry...not so much.
You have to admit, given the choice, Iris would prefer Phoenix Wright over Larry Butz any day. Even his name sounds cooler.

And Dahlia took the stand initially defending Phoenix (we know that she was acting now, but he didn't. To him, it was proof of love, denying even his assault charge)



Then Mia's using first impressions. Tell me, how long did Mia know either? Once again, don't judge a book by its cover
And HoboPhoenix seems to be pretty popular amongst the ladies.
As well as LawyerPhoenix.
It was his personality that turned her off, that and the fact that he was wearing such a ridiculous sweater.
And it's never implied that he's a loser. His friends could tell him he's mature simply to make him feel better



Our debates on GameFAQs get nasty often, but that's because Smashfan/Justis76 is over-the-top arrogant. Lol, it was fun. Hope to continue

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Please, I just updated my last post, so re-read. Apologies for the double-post

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“I'm sure Larry and Iris have some similarities, but not enough for successful dates. Notice that there is not one simulation of a Larry/Iris date on the net, but plenty of Phoenix/Iris ones, mostly because there is nothing really for Larry and Iris to go on after.
And Larry is physically unattractive. Although he is well-intentioned, he generally leads to disaster, which is something Iris has had enough of in her life.”

Um…I don’t see what the popularity of the pairing has anything to do with its legitimacy. By that logic, then, P/E is more realistic than P/I because it has more fans (even though we both know that P/E will never be canon, but there is a chance for P/I). And I would argue that Phoenix has a tendency to lead to disaster too. He gets mixed up in the mafia, with serial killers, his friends get kidnapped, he’s been accused of murder. Larry’s problems seem small by comparison. And I wouldn’t say Larry is unattractive. The man dates models after all! And I don’t personally find him ugly (though that’s moot point as opinions aren’t proof.)

“No, Iris could not have let that have been closure unless she cared very deeply about what Phoenix would have thought of her after she confessed.
And similarly, she would not have kept on calling him his lover's name, Feenie, after the confession. Even at the beginning of the confession, she refers to him as "Mr. Wright".
And Iris could not have moved on, because as always, she's symbolically isolated, in the jail cell. Phoenix comes and visits her (twice if I may say), and that is her only opening.”

I think I didn’t clarify what I was trying to say earlier well enough. The point I was trying to prove was that, at the time of the case 3-5, Iris was still heavily involved with Phoenix and preoccupied with him, but I thought a lot of that stemmed from the fact that she was burdened with the secret of their relationship from five years ago. Now that the truth has come out, I believe that she will move on with her life. Whether that is a life with Phoenix, though, is debatable. I like to imagine her with either Phoenix or Larry. I think she used his pet name Feenie, not only because she loved him, but because it would reinforce the truth of her confession. I’m not denying that Iris loves Phoenix, I’m merely saying that by confessing, she may be able to put that love behind her and try to find new love.

“Yes, but lovers don't talk about taking a bathroom break (unless absolutely necessary at the moment.).”

LOL, maybe not the people you know, but one of my relatives has the habit of informing her boyfriend of six months whenever she needs to “take a dump” (sorry ‘bout that, but it’s true, and gross). So I’d say that’s not true for everyone.

“Larry is not that kind of a spaz. He doesn't appreciate Iris the same way Phoenix did in how he said that.”

I’d argue that both Larry and Phoenix are spazzes in relation to the women they love. Phoenix with his bathroom comment and Larry by the sheer number of ridiculous things he does for his girlfriends. Neither really seemed to be thinking clearly.

“That rock solid proof you refer to is circumstantial evidence. They had yet to prove the bottle was the entity that contained the poison itself. That, and that Phoenix already knew...remember that he saw his girlfriend next to Doug Swallow.”

While it’s true that Phoenix saw her next to Doug, did he truly think that she’d murdered him or could it have been an accident?(it’s been a while since I’ve played, so I’m sorry if I get points wrong). I don’t think Phoenix believed she would poison anyone, otherwise he wouldn’t have swallowed that bottle necklace.

“Larry is headstrong in the sense that he doesn't get a hint of rejection. Iris has pretty much ignored his very existence up till the first court-day, and certainly wasn't aware of his feelings”

To be fair to Larry, though, Iris did have a lot on her mind at the time, what with Godot’s plan, whereas with Phoenix, she was entirely focused on him because it was her mission to get the necklace back from him.

“This contradicts the fact that every human being has unique DNA, so you can't have characteristically identical people. CollegePhoenix and Larry are very different, because Phoenix was actually smart enough to get into college, suggesting more complex emotions and traits. Larry...not so much.”

I never claimed that CollegePhoenix and Larry were the same, merely that they behaved very similarly. Sure Phoenix is smart, but we can’t call Larry stupid or less complex merely because he chose not to go or couldn’t get into college. There are a number of very intelligent and successful people who never finished college (like Bill Gates). I’d argue he’s more lazy than stupid, but then Phoenix can also be very lazy at times.

“You have to admit, given the choice, Iris would prefer Phoenix Wright over Larry Butz any day. Even his name sounds cooler.”

They’re different people who bring different qualities to the table. I believe she could be just as happy with one as the other.

“Then Mia's using first impressions. Tell me, how long did Mia know either? Once again, don't judge a book by its cover
And HoboPhoenix seems to be pretty popular amongst the ladies.
As well as LawyerPhoenix.
It was his personality that turned her off, that and the fact that he was wearing such a ridiculous sweater.
And it's never implied that he's a loser. His friends could tell him he's mature simply to make him feel better”

I was merely pointing out that, in the looks department, Mia was saying that Dahlia and Iris are out of Phoenix’s league. Men, like Payne and the Judge, were instantly enamored with Dahlia’s beauty and innocence. Phoenix never gets that reaction as a lawyer (that goes to Edgeworth) and certainly not as a college student.

I understand where you’re coming from, but I think you tend to overlook the fact that just because Iris loved Phoenix does not mean she couldn’t love someone like Larry. People are compatible with more than one person in the world and I see him as a possible alternative.

I really can't see Larry / Iris happening. Don't forget he made a blackmail letter that scared the shit out of her. That's the wrong way to tell someone you love them. I just think her attractiveness blinded him and he went with it, like what happened with the rest of his girlfriends.

Iris / Edgeworth eh?
Actually that was one of the Edgey pairings i put in that one pic' i made. That i could see working a little better than Larry/Iris.

Now / i think would work out because the're attitudes are similar.

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Hmm, reading all these posts, I think I don't like Iris with anyone, I think both pairings (Phoenix/Iris and Larry/Iris) are fairly plausible, but I just don't really like them. The only Iris pairing I like to read about is /
and as a reply to Rotan, I do see why you ship and yes, I quite like the idea, but well, I ship Maya with a lot of people so it might not mean much coming from me.

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Well, to be fair, Larry didn't mean for it to be blackmail; he was just trying to write her a romantic letter. And hey, he did try, he even bought a book on how to do so (although that didn't help much). Isn't it the thought that counts? And sure he thinks she's attractive, but so did every other man who saw her! Phoenix, the judge, and Payne all swooned when they saw her so I don't see why you're going to count that against Larry. As for his other girlfriends, we know that in canon, they broke up with him. It's not like he uses them and then dumps them. Like I said before, I think he seems to put a lot of effort into his relationships but I think he tends to go overboard.

I do love Larry/Maya too though. They're both such oddballs that it's hilarious and a lot of fun to ship them . Edgeworth/Iris isn't bad, but I never got a vibe from Edgey that he felt anything remotely romantic towards her. They always seemed extremely professional around each other.

I don't know why some people seem to interpret suggesting Larry/Iris as some kind of plot against/insult to Iris. It's a nice resolution to both characters for all their canon love trauma, provided it worked out and they finally both get the permanent relationship they desire.
That said, this isn't debating.

Iris was scared by the blackmail letter because she misinterpreted it, as she had genuine bad secrets to hide. So it was only partly Larry's fault.
That's why I don't think it would work. People have to be complementary opposites in some areas. They're both a bit too un-serious, so things might not work out on a practical level.

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I'm sorry but i do think hate is the reason most people don't want Iris with anybody. If she hadn't been in a relationship with Nick in the past, nobody would've cared about her or who someone paired her with. But since she did in fact go out with him look out, public enemy #1.



If Larry / Maya doesn't work out because of that what makes you think it would with Iris? And sorry i don't think Larry was really trying when it came to Iris.

Oh and that 1 frame of your sig copies the words of one of mine exactly and i'm not too thrilled .
(And to think i decided to post a link to that P/M vid' i made. So much for trying to patch things up )

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We hate her because she is just fucking annoying
I love how some people relate everything to pairings
We don't care that they've been "dating" because it was all actually just a huge lie

And P/I isn't canon.
Deal with it.

And icer wins for coming up with Iris/Spark
See, we do ship her with people that are worthy of being shipped with her
Like Armstrong and Brushel :)

EDIT: damn them typos

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Urgh....Armstrong and Brushel...such horrible kids.

P/I may not be canon anymore but Young Phoenix/Iris is definately canon, so don't be so harsh on the P/I fans they've got a pretty justifiable grounds for supporting it, after all it worked before and would've if Miss Dahlia hadn't screwed up everything.

Personally I didn't find her that annoying, but I ain't going to ship her, as far as I'm concerned most of AA is asexual with no pairings neccessary.

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They definitely weren't past canon in my opinion. He didn't know he was dating Iris. He didn't know who she was until five years later. He thought he was dating Dahlia Hawthorne. Technically, if Iris had successfully gotten the necklace from Feenie, Dahlia wouldn't have had to screw things up.

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Iris is a spineless moron. She was in a position to help out Nick but nearly gets him killed instead.

THAT'S TRUE LOVE THAT IS.

And I also see that a number of P/I fans can't accept that it's not canon.

Nick was in love with "Dahlia", not Iris.


Off-topic - icer's sig IS awesome <3

EDIT: And by the way, you can say "everyone hates Iris for being Nick's canon girlfriend" all you like. It's not true, never has been and never will be.

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