Possible future villains?

Cesar Zero · Post by **Cesar Zero** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:07 pm

A topic which has come up quite a few times in other threads here,what kind of characters would you like to see as villains in the next game?

After GK2 and DD,its going to be hard to find a villain which will surprise people,so I was thinking that they may make a subversion,like the most suspicious character will be the actual villain? Or maybe they could go for other kind of twists...GK2 for example had some nice one besides the identity of the villain.

Or they could go full M.night Shyamalan and have the villain be the main character.I dunno.

JesusMonroe · Post by **JesusMonroe** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:38 pm

cesar26100 wrote:like the most suspicious character will be the actual villain?

While these twists are usually surprising, I find them incredibly unsatisfying

"No way X can be a villain! He's too much of an asshole!"
*X is revealed as the villain*
"..."

I think cases generally need larger casts at this point, though. I don't want them to get too bloated, but in Cases 2 and 3 of DD, every witness except for one person (the killer) appears on the stand for the first trial day

Spoiler: DLC

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:57 am

I prefer villains who seem pretty harmless at first because it allows for awesome transformation sequences to convert innocence into something monstrous. Often find these reveals are the most surprising too.

Cesar Zero · Post by **Cesar Zero** » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:33 pm

Yeah,but that is getting a bit overused in AA,since that's what we got in JFA,T&T (to an extent),AAI,AAI2 and DD.

WaitingforGodot · Post by **WaitingforGodot** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:29 pm

Hm... Someone who gives an air of "you can trust me", someone who seems friendly, honest, genuine. A person you just feel immense trust for, someone that doesn't make you uncomfortable, and not a person with this innocent air, just a... seemingly stable person.

...although, that might be a bit Kristophy. Hm. But, well, we knew that he was one from the first case, but for a future one... Someone you've met several time during the game... For a final villain. Someone you're quite close to. Hmf. I'm just jabbering a bit, but, hm, I would like that.

Cesar Zero · Post by **Cesar Zero** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:47 pm

Spoiler: GK2 and DD

WaitingforGodot · Post by **WaitingforGodot** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:17 pm

Spoiler: DD and GK2

Rubia Ryu the Royal · Post by **Rubia Ryu the Royal** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:46 am

Honestly, I'd like to see another straight-up villain type of character for once. Someone you know you'll hate as soon as you meet him/her. The problem would be trying to prove this person guilty. Yes, we've had such cases where the villain is revealed before the case begins, so I'd prefer that this character isn't in one of those.

SuperAj3 · Post by **SuperAj3** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:24 pm

I do love the idea of it being the least likely (Like an assistant). That was kinda done with GK2's and DD's antagonist though, and it was a shock when I first found out. I also like the idea of the one you think someone's the killer and all evidence points to them, but then they get killed. It may be signing the real killer's death wish, but it still confuses everyone as to who really was the killer.

I really liked Gant as a villain. He came across as helpful and jolly, but rubbed the wrong way, he was a completely different person.

~~They could always go the older Kindaichi Case Files route and have all the killers commit suicide once caught?~~ too morbid for AA :basil:

Psykofreac · Post by **Psykofreac** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:36 am

Um Manfred Von Karma anyone? Just look at that creepy smile of his.

Mayu Igiyooki · Post by **Mayu Igiyooki** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:12 am

Psykofreac wrote:Um Manfred Von Karma anyone? Just look at that creepy smile of his.

Dude, it's impossible to see him return since he died somewhere at 1-5 to 3-5. Or maybe he's still alive? But he would be so old, that he may not be able to act.

Or shouldn't he have got the Death Penalty for being the real culprit of DL-6?

Psykofreac · Post by **Psykofreac** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:31 am

Nah sorry, what I meant was in response to what everyone else was saying. You know, the bit about the villain being someone suspicious from the beginning and not just a seemingly nice guy who goes through a transformation.

dimentiorules · Post by **dimentiorules** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:01 pm

I'd like for a case in which the killer turns out to be a character from a previous game that we finally find out the true nature of, in a similar way to Penelope from Sly Cooper. For example, we could have a murder at Global Studios, where the killer turns out to be Penny Nichols! Hey, it would make her character more interesting and less of a cardboard cut out!

TheGreatSnarkoo · Post by **TheGreatSnarkoo** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:13 pm

I like your idea and I can definitely see how that might be an interesting twist, but most games nowadays are produced (AA franchise included) with the ideology that every game could be someone's first game in the series. (Which is why many modern games are said to 'hand-hold' the player.) It would come as a shock to returning fans, but to people who haven't played the original trilogy and have only played AJ or DD, it would just seem absolutely out of the blue.
Unless, of course, there's some way to make that work.
Thoughts?

luck · Post by **luck** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:33 pm

For someone who hasn't played the first games, it would be just a standard murderer like any other. I don't think it's going to happen, but that wouldn't be a problem.

sosgirl10 · Post by **sosgirl10** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:39 pm

I know this would be kinda weird, but I wonder what it would be like if the person you are playing as ends ups accidentally being involved in a murder or crime.

Like, what would happen to the main protagonist?

I know this is a little far fetched, but I thought I'd give it a try to see what others think.

Psykofreac · Post by **Psykofreac** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:51 pm

If they're not guilty of anything, I don't think it would make much difference. If they are, they'd probably just confess as the protagonists in all the games side strongly with truth and it's a major moral of the series.

luck · Post by **luck** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:49 am

If they add another playable character, they could make them the Final Boss. It probably would feel like fighting Red in Pokemon Gold and Silver.

Cesar Zero · Post by **Cesar Zero** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:05 pm

There is at least one fangame with the playable character as the villain,but that was an Original Character in an one-off courtroom only trial...I'm not sure how it could work in a normal AA game.

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:36 pm

The difficulty with surprising people is that we've seen a lot of different people turn out to be villains, and recurring characters don't end up being the main villain. So if the game features a new detective, or assistant or any other new character who keeps reappearing, people suspect they may be the main villain.

At the same time, when a character is clearly antagonistic from the start, people expect some kind of twist where they end up being a sympathetic character after all.

So a couple of ideas:
-There hasn't been an assistant who's turned out to be the main villain yet.
-Introduce a new reoccuring character with the intention to have them be the villain of a future game, with little to no hints about them in their debut game.
-Have an "un-reveal" where the character who initially seems like the main villain, really is the main villain.
-Rather than have the new antagonistic character turn out to be the main villain, have them turn out to be a villain, but not the main villain, with somebody else, either appearing throughout the game or just introduced in the final case, being the main villain.

2Edgey4Mia · Post by **2Edgey4Mia** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:44 pm

Polly wrote:Rather than have the new antagonistic character turn out to be the main villain, have them turn out to be a villain, but not the main villain, with somebody else, either appearing throughout the game or just introduced in the final case, being the main villain.

head explodes

Sligneris · Post by **Sligneris** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:11 pm

I'd like a villain that's kind of... on friendly terms with the protagonist. Not even a facade. Simply someone that the protagonist knows killing someone else.

linkenski · Post by **linkenski** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:36 am

Just don't ever put me in a patronizing scenario such as 5-3 again. The villain is the obvious asshole and the characters without any hint of subtlety play whodunit on the obviously false suspects several times.

I think in general there needs to be more cases where the villain doesn't stand out by being really intrusive or pompous. In GK2-2 the culprit was extremely obvious because of the characterization, same for GK2-4 and 5-3.

I have a good hunch they won't spoil more than one villain directly in AA6 though. I'd really like to see the recipe for an Ace Attorney villain be turned on its head somehow, so not only is it surprising, but it's also an atypical kind of character who has one it.

I also thought of a case idea the other day: What if the victim died of suicide, but due to her circumstances of animosity between her associates someone tries to make it look like a murder and pins it on the defendant, making it a trial. Then you'd be put in an unusual situation because you'll be looking for the scapegoat to blame, until you realize there isn't anyone and the "culprit" can not be charged of a very serious crime. Instead the satisfaction in the case comes from learning the tragic backstory leading up to the suicide. There are logistics I can't think through such as how the "culprit" tampers with the crime-scene to create a fake murder without the investigators figuring out via autopsy or tests, but dunno.

Rubia Ryu the Royal · Post by **Rubia Ryu the Royal** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:11 am

^ Not to be "that guy", but it sounds like Turnabout Succession. Suicidal victim, check. Animosity b/w fellow disciples, debatable, but at least prevalent toward victim, so check. Looking for a scapegoat, check. ~~Attorney loses badge but rigs trial several years later to catch culprit in his framing, check.~~

To be fair, at least in your case, it'd be one continuous case that isn't split up into two and doesn't have to resort to time-traveling holographic systems not expected to be admissible in a court of law.

Thinking about it, what kind of murder mystery has this series not tackled yet? I believe there is something still, but nothing is coming to mind at the moment.

ZoomBoom124 · Post by **ZoomBoom124** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:52 am

The judge... No one ever suspects the judge.. :udgey:

Planetbox · Post by **Planetbox** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:30 pm

Maybe not THE Judge, but having a Judge be the killer in a trial they run would be interesting. Especially because you would have to avoid them canceling the trial with a Guilty verdict if you start to suspect them.

Bonus points if the victim is beaten to death with a gavel.

ZoomBoom124 · Post by **ZoomBoom124** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:11 am

Planetbox wrote:Maybe not THE Judge, but having a Judge be the killer in a trial they run would be interesting. Especially because you would have to avoid them canceling the trial with a Guilty verdict if you start to suspect them.

Bonus points if the victim is beaten to death with a gavel.

It would be weird if the murder weapon was a gavel. But I quess there's been weirder things to use as a murder weapon.

MoonRaven · Post by **MoonRaven** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:20 am

Good idea. We've had evil prosecutors and defence attorneys but have we had evil judges? Nope.

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:05 pm

A villain judge would be interesting. Only question would be how to make a different judge not suspicious right from the start. Maybe have Phoenix and Apollo each taking cases at the same time, with each judge presiding over one? Or have a different judge for each case of that game?

dimentiorules · Post by **dimentiorules** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:32 am

I came up with a crazy idea based on a dream I had the other night. A prosecutor named Felix Night, a sort of bizarro version of Phoenix in every conceivable way. Even his backstory is the opposite of Phoenix's. He was a teenager when a friend of his that was previously studying to be a Prosecutor got inspired by seeing news of Phoenix's exploits and changed his mind, deciding to become a defense attorney instead. Felix, who has an utter hatred of both criminals and the people who defend them, was infuriated by this and decided to become a prosecutor in order to destroy Phoenix Wright in court and show his former friend who is truly superior. Unlike Phoenix, he plans out everything in advance, analysing the situation for every possible outcome and planning accordingly. At first, he's planned out everything that Phoenix would try to do, and arranged a counter for every single argument that he could forsee. Eventually, Phoenix manages to find something that Felix could not possibly forsee, and unlike Phoenix, Felix is absolutely terrible at improvising, and proceeds to flip out that there was something that his analytical mind didn't think of.

Cosmikun · Post by **Cosmikun** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:57 am

The best villain I've seen in the AA series so far is Dahlia and Kristoph in my opinion, so maybe someone like them? Or maybe not since we don't want a good villainous personality to become a trope. Maybe a villain who is kindhearted to the public and donates to charity, but completely turns tables near the end of the case/game?

Spoiler:

So I don't really know, I'll just see what the team can come up with. :ron:

HeroMan66475 · Post by **HeroMan66475** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:13 pm

Cosmikun wrote:
Spoiler:
though there is someone like that in DGS though...
:

Spoiler:

Cesar Zero · Post by **Cesar Zero** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:58 pm

Please spoiler-tag that...

HeroMan66475 · Post by **HeroMan66475** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:51 am

oh sorry...i thought i did but t didn't seem to register...i'll fix that.

Southern Corn · Post by **Southern Corn** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:22 am

Spoiler: DGS

Cesar Zero · Post by **Cesar Zero** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:22 pm

Southern Corn wrote:
Spoiler: DGS
Yes,Cosney is a great villain. My favourite part is how he even gets away despite being guilty in the end. Plus you're not even sure of said guiltiness at that point. Just all around amazing

Spoiler: DGS

HeroMan66475 · Post by **HeroMan66475** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:32 pm

Cesar Zero wrote:
Southern Corn wrote:
Spoiler: DGS
Yes,Cosney is a great villain. My favourite part is how he even gets away despite being guilty in the end. Plus you're not even sure of said guiltiness at that point. Just all around amazing

Spoiler: DGS
Yeah, he is basically like Redd White but better...of course I still hate him, but that's what you're supposed to feel about him.

Cosney or Redd White?

Cesar Zero · Post by **Cesar Zero** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:35 pm

Spoiler:

Southern Corn · Post by **Southern Corn** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:58 pm

Anyway the topic. I myself think they could go for having the quirky comic relief witness as the killer of the case. The guy who seems too dumb to kill someone,but is the actual mastermind of the case. Not like GK2 though,more of a filler case villain,which will definitely catch people off guard.

HeroMan66475 · Post by **HeroMan66475** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:07 pm

Southern Corn wrote:Anyway the topic. I myself think they could go for having the quirky comic relief witness as the killer of the case. The guy who seems too dumb to kill someone,but is the actual mastermind of the case. Not like GK2 though,more of a filled case villain,which will definitely catch peopl off guard.

you mean FILLER case?
Also that would be a pretty cool twist.