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16BitsQuaRed wrote:
Apollo72 wrote:
:guilty:

Because if you think about it...
GUILTY = Maya dead (bad) + Enguarde in jail (good) + Adrian free (good)
but
NOT GUILTY = Adrian in jail (bad) + Enguarde free (bad) + Maya alive (good)
therefore
(bad)+(good)+(good)>(bad)+(bad)+(good)
Did that make sense?


Or... GUILTY = Maya Dead (-12 points) + Engarde in jail (+3 points) + Adrian free (+3 points)

NOT GUILTY = Maya probably alive (+10 points) + Engarde free (-3 points) + Adrian probably jailed (-2 points)

I mean, is it just me, or is death much more serious than being jailed?

You have to make things complicated, don't you?
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I chose not guilty....It was a pretty tough decision, though. I thought about if this situation ever happened to me. What if someone I loved and cared for was in Maya's situation? I just could not bring myself to have them hurt. Yeah, I know it's selfish and I admit that. This choice really questions who you are as a person and is definitely one of the best moments in all of the games.
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At the very end of the trial, I chose Guilty. There was no doubt in my mind of what answer to choose. By that point, I had already turned deKiller against Matt, so the contract was void...he would've let Maya go either way.

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I chose Not Guilty, but I'd saved it just before in case I'd chosen the wrong thing. :L
:psycho-matt: <- I gasped out loud when he unveiled his true self.
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Spoiler: Guilty
I chose Guilty before I had a second thought, until I started to panic because I didn't save before choosing those two option. o.e But Franny came to the rescue~ :D
And I didn't want Maya to haunt me anyway. o.x

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I chose guilty. I kinda had a feeling that Maya would find one way or another to get herself out of that mess. She's not that weak of a girl, you know.
Also, more importantly, Adrian's life was on the line as well now, combined with the fact that Engarde has proven himself to be the master of jerks.

So:

:maya: *believes in you* + :adrian: *life on line* + :edgeworth: *morality lecture* = :matt: GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!
(By the way, why's there no Sprite of that guy doing his breakdown? O-o)
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I chose "Guilty".
Here's how I see it. If Franzy hadn't come bursting in (can I just say what an awesome moment that was? Because that was damn EPIC) we have two situations...

1) Matt is declared not guilty. He goes free. He will never be brought to justice for the evil things he did. He will continue to be an absolute bastard of a man and no one will know it. Adrian, an innocent woman, receives the death penalty... but Maya lives. I don't think Maya could bring herself to forgive Phoenix for what he's done. So, the two of them part ways badly; Phoenix is forever racked by the guilt that comes from knowing he let a criminal go free and his actions destroyed the life of a woman.
2) Matt is declared guilty. He goes to jail and is eventually executed, getting what he deserves for his crime within this legal system. Adrian probably turns out alright and is not punished for things she never did. Maya dies, yes... but this is what she said she would have wanted. I don't doubt that Phoenix blames himself for Maya's death... but perhaps Pearls can channel her sometime later and Maya can tell him "It's okay, Nick. You did what you could... and you brought down justice, as a lawyer should. It's not your fault that I died."

On the second choice - after having shown the videotape to DeKiller - I picked Not Guilty, because I'd heard that Matt's breakdown was particularly satisfying. I was not disappointed... although I may have been scarred for life, just a little xD (I can't remember what happens if you pick Guilty there, does he still do the face-scratching?)
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I chose "Guilty".
Here's how I see it. If Franzy hadn't come bursting in (can I just say what an awesome moment that was? Because that was damn EPIC) we have two situations...

1) Matt is declared not guilty. He goes free. He will never be brought to justice for the evil things he did. He will continue to be an absolute bastard of a man and no one will know it. Adrian, an innocent woman, receives the death penalty... but Maya lives. I don't think Maya could bring herself to forgive Phoenix for what he's done. So, the two of them part ways badly; Phoenix is forever racked by the guilt that comes from knowing he let a criminal go free and his actions destroyed the life of a woman.
2) Matt is declared guilty. He goes to jail and is eventually executed, getting what he deserves for his crime within this legal system. Adrian probably turns out alright and is not punished for things she never did. Maya dies, yes... but this is what she said she would have wanted. I don't doubt that Phoenix blames himself for Maya's death... but perhaps Pearls can channel her sometime later and Maya can tell him "It's okay, Nick. You did what you could... and you brought down justice, as a lawyer should. It's not your fault that I died."

On the second choice - after having shown the videotape to DeKiller - I picked Not Guilty, because I'd heard that Matt's breakdown was particularly satisfying. I was not disappointed... although I may have been scarred for life, just a little xD (I can't remember what happens if you pick Guilty there, does he still do the face-scratching?)


Yes. He's all "Guilty? My perfect self?" or something and proceeds to freak out in the same manner.

But I think choosing "Not Guilty" is a lot more satisfying, because he gets to choose between life and...well, prison. And I just enjoy seeing how quick he is to do so.
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For me, it was definitely
:guilty:
...both times.

I was determined to pick a position and stick to it! And I'm really glad I was able to feel good about those choices when
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Mia tells you to reflect on what it means to you to be a lawyer.
That was a really awesome moment; I love being able to feel so personally connected with the decisions in the game.

But, reading through this thread, I found it amazing how every possible combination of choices could have perfectly justified reasoning behind it!

Spoiler: 2-4, 3-3
G / G: Nothing but the truth!! I definitely feel like all of Edgeworth's prompting led to the conclusion that "what it means to be a lawyer" is to reveal the truth, no matter what it takes. That's the promise I keep in mind during any major decision throughout the series. ...And it's what gave me a whole lot of psychological trouble during questionable moments like 3-3, for example, when you had to present the "poison bottle." I'm like, "b-but I don't wanna lie~..." In the end, though, hey, that's just Phoenix's specialty -- bluffing ≠ lying -- and it's all good as long as it leads to the truth eventually. I think. Anyway, Maya's predicament, though greatly unsettling, was in my opinion not a factor to consider in the decision. Maya herself said to get him convicted, and there was no reason not to honor her wishes.

NG / NG: As I remember someone pointing out in this topic, the role of a defense attorney can alternately (and very respectably, and of course quite a bit more real-world-accurately) be interpreted as standing by your client's plea of innocence to ensure a fair trial. If the client is truly guilty (and the prosecution does its job well), then the client should be found guilty in the end.

NG / G: At the moment of the first choice, there isn't sufficient evidence to PROVE him guilty, so it would make sense not to blurt out the accusation then. But, the second time, when there's no more denying it, the truth of his guilt should rightly come out.

G / NG: Sticking with the noble truth at first... and then messing with Matt's head at the end (which he surely deserves) to experience the incredible satisfaction of his desperate breakdown.



I love 2-4; it's certainly high on the list of my favorite cases of the series. It was a truly surprising twist.
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...I'm just relieved that at no point did you have to select a claim of G/NG before Matt goes all :psycho-matt: and confirms his true nature. I had wanted to believe in him, and it wasn't until that very moment that I accepted his guilt. (I was telling myself, "No, the Magatama is never wrong!! If he says he didn't kill anyone, then there must be another explanation, darnit!" And of course, there was an explanation. Matt, you dirty little word-twister, you...

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I found that a really hard decision.
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I chose guilty. I felt really bad for Maya though, even though she had said to give him the guilty verdict. Good thing Franzy saved the day or I would've cried.
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The first time they ask you, I said he was guilty, because I couldnt let a person as terrible and psycotic as him get away, and let down all the people that trust me. It was the right choice in my opinion, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Now as for the choice in the end, I chose not guilty. This is a choice I am a bit torn about, but I guess I did it just to mess with Matt a bit and see him truly confess. It was very satisfactory, but maybe not the most moral thing to do.
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For me, the first time, I chose guilty, cause it's what Maya want me to pick. Plus, I didn't want him to get away with his crimes.

The second time I have to make a choice, I pick not guilty for the hiliarous reaction from Matt. (On my second go, I'll pick Guilty. XD )
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Bolt Storm wrote:
Actually, the logical thing to do there would be to say "Not Guilty."

If Franziska hadn't burst in, saying Guilty would've gone like this.

Phoenix: He's guilty!
Judge: ...Do you have any conclusive proof?
Engarde: Like, lawyer man, I dunno what you're trying to pull, but, like, if you're going to be like that, I can manage the rest of this without you. *opts for self-defense*
*Phoenix gets ejected from the courtroom*
*de Killer kills Maya for Phoenix breaking the rules*
*Adrian is convicted*
*Engarde does the evil laugh*
*The miracle never happen*


*Phoenix finally snaps sometime after the trial and gets revenge for Maya and Adrian by tracking Engarde down and murdering him in cold blood*
*The vigilante miracle happen*
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I choose Guilty first time, despite what one of people here pointed out that it wouldn't end up too well.

Next one I choose Not Guilty. It's not like I didn't care for Andrews, but I knew that he would object and plea Guilty. We just had to look at his face. It just had to end well.
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Smithee wrote:
Bolt Storm wrote:
Actually, the logical thing to do there would be to say "Not Guilty."

If Franziska hadn't burst in, saying Guilty would've gone like this.

Phoenix: He's guilty!
Judge: ...Do you have any conclusive proof?
Engarde: Like, lawyer man, I dunno what you're trying to pull, but, like, if you're going to be like that, I can manage the rest of this without you. *opts for self-defense*
*Phoenix gets ejected from the courtroom*
*de Killer kills Maya for Phoenix breaking the rules*
*Adrian is convicted*
*Engarde does the evil laugh*
*The miracle never happen*


*Phoenix finally snaps sometime after the trial and gets revenge for Maya and Adrian by tracking Engarde down and murdering him in cold blood*
*The vigilante miracle happen*


Because Phoenix has seen the darkness of the city, a darkness the law can't touch. The only thing he can do is to use that darkness against itself. He is not the hero that city deserves but he is the hero that City needs. The bright flame incinerating injustice, Phoenixman.
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I knew it wouldn't really matter at that point, but I chose Guilty. One, because Matt was really, really pissing me off and the case was dragging on and on and on. But if we were to get absolutely technical, I would have had to choose Not Guilty. After all...
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he hadn't actually killed Juan himself. He merely hired an assassin to do it for him. The accusation was "Murder" which he did not do. Out of pure technicality, Matt would have to be acquitted for that and be tried for "Accessory to Murder" to get him a guilty verdict.


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It's times like this one that reminds me of what a damn spoilsport I am.

I was caught up in the moment, yes. I was all "oh my God what should I answer is there a wrong answer both of them seem to be wrong oh why do I even bother", however, it suddenly clicked on my mind... "why would the game put me in a dilemma like this one? Knowing AA, the moment I choose either of the answers, a police officer will burst in with the evidence he got from Gumshoe"

Well, the only reason I actually got surprised was because instead of a police officer, Franziska showed up.

I'm so freaking boring.
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To be honest...

I chose not guilty on the sole basis of retaining Phoenix's perfect record.
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You dare to insult the courts!?"
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Basic Printer wrote:
To be honest...

I chose not guilty on the sole basis of retaining Phoenix's perfect record.



Pretty much.
We AA fans look down on Edgeworth and the von Karmas for this, but we're just like them in the end.
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VCM wrote:

Pretty much.
We AA fans look down on Edgeworth and the von Karmas for this, but we're just like them in the end.


Ahahahaha I hadn't even thought of it like that! I'm spending the whole game pshawing Franziska like calm down it's no big deal

Meanwhile I'm just DEMOLISHING CASES OVER AND OVER it's easy not to care. I guess also more times than not everytime she spoke I was like um qurll whate/eeeeerrrr i'ma torch ur ass knowing the game doesn't let Phoenix lose.
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Pierre wrote:
Smithee wrote:
Bolt Storm wrote:
Actually, the logical thing to do there would be to say "Not Guilty."

If Franziska hadn't burst in, saying Guilty would've gone like this.

Phoenix: He's guilty!
Judge: ...Do you have any conclusive proof?
Engarde: Like, lawyer man, I dunno what you're trying to pull, but, like, if you're going to be like that, I can manage the rest of this without you. *opts for self-defense*
*Phoenix gets ejected from the courtroom*
*de Killer kills Maya for Phoenix breaking the rules*
*Adrian is convicted*
*Engarde does the evil laugh*
*The miracle never happen*


*Phoenix finally snaps sometime after the trial and gets revenge for Maya and Adrian by tracking Engarde down and murdering him in cold blood*
*The vigilante miracle happen*


Because Phoenix has seen the darkness of the city, a darkness the law can't touch. The only thing he can do is to use that darkness against itself. He is not the hero that city deserves but he is the hero that City needs. The bright flame incinerating injustice, Phoenixman.


Someone actually wrote a fanfic about Phoenix becoming a superhero.
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I chose guilty. It just made so much sense to me, after all.

Then I chose not guilty, then again guilty.

I love it to mess around with the cases.. :godot:

The beginning was quite fun, just with all the ups and downs
But suddenly, we’re tired, from a waste of meaningless emotions

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I couldn't decide which one, I mean, both would result in something horrible....so....I did what a true lawyer would do :youngmia: ...............I closed my eyes and randomly chose one........
BUT, luckily, Franny showed up....Thank God...
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I choosed "Not Guilty", because I can't let Maya die. I just love her <3
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Er, I mean Guilty.
I was really torn up about this. I couldn't imagine the game would make me choose which woman I want to kill. In the end, I just had to forget the emotional side and sort it into pros and cons. Guilty had two pros - killer is convicted, innocent woman goes free, and one con - Maya dies. Not Guilty had one pro but two cons.
Naturally the choice didn't matter in the game, but what does matter is that the player knows what they'd pick, and they're stuck with knowing it.
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Er, I mean Guilty.
I was really torn up about this. I couldn't imagine the game would make me choose which woman I want to kill. In the end, I just had to forget the emotional side and sort it into pros and cons. Guilty had two pros - killer is convicted, innocent woman goes free, and one con - Maya dies. Not Guilty had one pro but two cons.
Naturally the choice didn't matter in the game, but what does matter is that the player knows what they'd pick, and they're stuck with knowing it.


Put a bag on it and I'd still hit it.
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I chose guilty because Maya told me so. :sadini:

But now that I think about it, that Maya could've been a figment of Phoenix's imagination. :think-pw:
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I chose guilty for three reasons.

1.Maya wanted Nick to do so. She was ready to sacrifice herself because she knew Engarde was a monster and probably she would've had a bad conscience if Nick proved him "not guilty". In addition she wouldn't forgive Nick for doing so.

2.Matt Engarde deserved it. He was guilty and a sociopath. No need for further explanations here.

3.If Matt was declared "not guilty", Adrian Andrews would be arrested for murder and eventually declared guilty. I couldn't just blame an innocent woman, only to save Maya. Especially when Maya already insisted that Nick proves Engarde guilty.

All three reasons are important for that decision. As for the second decision after the trial, however, I chose "not guilty". We all knew, Engarde would give up at this point and prefered prison, since de Killer was already looking for him to kill him. It was just more satisfying, don't you think? :-P
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Padelboot wrote:
I chose guilty for three reasons.

1.Maya wanted Nick to do so. She was ready to sacrifice herself because she knew Engarde was a monster and probably she would've had a bad conscience if Nick proved him "not guilty". In addition she wouldn't forgive Nick for doing so.

2.Matt Engarde deserved it. He was guilty and a sociopath. No need for further explanations here.

3.If Matt was declared "not guilty", Adrian Andrews would be arrested for murder and eventually declared guilty. I couldn't just blame an innocent woman, only to save Maya. Especially when Maya already insisted that Nick proves Engarde guilty.

All three reasons are important for that decision. As for the second decision after the trial, however, I chose "not guilty". We all knew, Engarde would give up at this point and prefered prison, since de Killer was already looking for him to kill him. It was just more satisfying, don't you think? :-P


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Guilty. Just because I thought that was what the game wanted. Then when Phoenix thought "Sorry, Maya..." I was like "oh, fuck".
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I chose "Not guilty" because I thought the game wanted it that way, I thought that was the right way to give dear old Matt a mindfuck and to make him confess to his crimes etc.

I did save right before, however, and I felt pretty bad when I chose it!
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WaitingforGodot wrote:
I chose guilty for three reasons.

1.Maya wanted Nick to do so. She was ready to sacrifice herself because she knew Engarde was a monster and probably she would've had a bad conscience if Nick proved him "not guilty". In addition she wouldn't forgive Nick for doing so.

2.Matt Engarde deserved it. He was guilty and a sociopath. No need for further explanations here.

3.If Matt was declared "not guilty", Adrian Andrews would be arrested for murder and eventually declared guilty. I couldn't just blame an innocent woman, only to save Maya. Especially when Maya already insisted that Nick proves Engarde guilty.

All three reasons are important for that decision. As for the second decision after the trial, however, I chose "not guilty". We all knew, Engarde would give up at this point and prefered prison, since de Killer was already looking for him to kill him. It was just more satisfying, don't you think? :-P.


Definitely so!
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
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I chose Not Guilty in the end, because, since Shelly DeKiller has already targeted Engarde for betrayal, he would be a dead man walking. Not to mention that Phoenix, by pleading Not Guilty at that stage, is just having the last laugh on his client. It just goes to show what happens to who dares to kidnap Maya.

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