Re: (Day Two) Living Thread: Payne's Worst Game of Mafia
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I'm not saying to ignore inactives. It's fine to encourage them to post. I don't even see a problem with voting for them to get them to participate. But Pierre went further than that on D1 and consistently kept his vote on me, basically saying "Oh well, this is what D1 is like. It sucks lol"
Actually in all 2 of my Mafia games, I pulled out my 'inactive' vote once I was satisfied. For a while the vote stuck on you because Franzise made quite the point about you. Then Bluejay got suspiciously bloodthirsty and as you pointed out contradictory. If you had been active and no one had built a case against you after I initiated a vote then I'd have retracted my vote and placed it on Sumguy or Cesar.
I'd like to know your reason for the sudden change of heart on Franzise at the moment.
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I don't think anything will happen next round. Since we can't no-lynch two days in a row, I don't see why scum wouldn't just not kill anyone again (though while I think I'm an unlikely candidate for the nightkill since I'm suspicious, I also think it's possible that scum could kill to prevent me from claiming victory at a later time)
Basically what I'm saying is that I don't think no-lynching this round is gonna help us for the next round because I don't think scum will kill anyone. So, I do think the best bet is for me to claim victory
If I claim victory and die, will you vote for someone to lynch or will you still no-lynch?
Basically what I'm saying is that I don't think no-lynching this round is gonna help us for the next round because I don't think scum will kill anyone. So, I do think the best bet is for me to claim victory
If I claim victory and die, will you vote for someone to lynch or will you still no-lynch?
The Mafia are under the same circumstances as we are. They cannot no-hit for two rounds in a row. Which means they NEED to initiate a hit this round or they auto-forfeit. That's why I'd rather you hold off. If you go now and you are right, great the game is over. If you are wrong we are a man down AND they kill another of us in the night.
If you hold off until tomorrow, we might win in the night by virtue of them not-hitting or if they do kill someone then it's confirmed the game is still on and there's no need for any glorious sacrifices. It's basically a pointless sacrifice if you declare victory now when sitting still will confirm all we need.
So sit tight for now and pray to see tomorrow.
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Pierre wrote:
I'd like to know your reason for the sudden change of heart on Franzise at the moment.
Not much, she just explained her reasoning that I thought made her very suspicious (I mixed up the order of events in my mind. I thought her asking people for their roles was what prompted me to give my vague-claim answer, not the other way around)
And I had forgotten that mafia can't no-hit for two days in a row
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Pierre wrote:
I'd like to know your reason for the sudden change of heart on Franzise at the moment.
Not much, she just explained her reasoning that I thought made her very suspicious (I mixed up the order of events in my mind. I thought her asking people for their roles was what prompted me to give my vague-claim answer, not the other way around)
And I had forgotten that mafia can't no-hit for two days in a row
Well you are clear in my book for now. There's a few things that could be happening but I'm just amazingly paranoid...or psychic if I'm right.
Declaring victory shows you were on the side of the Town, you could have maybe planned for when Geno wasn't online (and therefore couldn't register it) and tried to undeclare all along but there's too many variables and uncertainties about the process. Geno would have been well within their rights to just kill you after your declaration as there's nothing saying you could get out, in fact the only thing that let you live was the time it took Geno to come back otherwise I imagine it could have been instantaneous.
Unless you accounted for ALL that.
You are town.
Alternatively you could be a Maf who doesn't care about winning anymore and just wants to screw everything up for the Townies by outing yourself from the game early and leaving them to bicker in paranoia about how the Maf is.
So yeah, Sumguy is on my lynch list for future, but not today.
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Pierre wrote:
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Pierre wrote:
I'd like to know your reason for the sudden change of heart on Franzise at the moment.
Not much, she just explained her reasoning that I thought made her very suspicious (I mixed up the order of events in my mind. I thought her asking people for their roles was what prompted me to give my vague-claim answer, not the other way around)
And I had forgotten that mafia can't no-hit for two days in a row
Declaring victory shows you were on the side of the Town, you could have maybe planned for when Geno wasn't online (and therefore couldn't register it) and tried to undeclare all along but there's too many variables and uncertainties about the process. Geno would have been well within their rights to just kill you after your declaration as there's nothing saying you could get out, in fact the only thing that let you live was the time it took Geno to come back otherwise I imagine it could have been instantaneous.
Oh, uh... yeah, about that. I should clarify, because I don't want the rules of the game to be misunderstood. When I said that declaring victory was "like a vote", I meant that it had the same properties as a vote. Multiple people (even from the same faction) can declare victory at the same time, and may rescind that declaration at any time. Thus, one may declare and un-declare victory several times in the same phase (please don't), and only the state of victory declarations at the end of the phase is counted. This is why there is no hammer function in the game.
My apologies for any confusion.
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Pierre wrote:
Alternatively you could be a Maf who doesn't care about winning anymore and just wants to screw everything up for the Townies by outing yourself from the game early and leaving them to bicker in paranoia about how the Maf is.
I'm pretty sure that would be violating MAMA.
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So if you feel like playing this exact game at the same time as this game, feel free to get an account (if you haven't already) and sign up at this thread:
http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthre ... #pid183045
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Pierre wrote:
Speaking of other games I'm actually really excited for JM's next updated version of the Nonary Game. That sounds awesome.
same here...was kinda sad i missed my chance to join the last game and hope i wont miss it next time.
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Vote Tally
No Lynch: 5
JesusMonroe
Cold52
FranziseDeauxnim
Sumguy
cesar26100
JesusMonroe: 0
FranziseDeauxnim
Death Row: No one.
Day Two Victory Log:
JesusMonroe claims victory.
JesusMonroe recanted.
No Lynch: 5
JesusMonroe
Cold52
FranziseDeauxnim
Sumguy
cesar26100
JesusMonroe: 0
Death Row: No one.
Day Two Victory Log:
JesusMonroe claims victory.
JesusMonroe recanted.
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No Lynch: 5
JesusMonroe
Cold52
FranziseDeauxnim
Sumguy
cesar26100
JesusMonroe: 0
Death Row: No one.
Day Two Victory Log:
JesusMonroe claims victory.
JesusMonroe recanted.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Geno, if Lettuce protects someone who isn't targeted to die, does he still die? If Oldbag protects the mafia, does it block their hit request?
- Nope. LeTouse only dies in place of another player slated to die.
- Oldbag blocks hit requests.
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I think you can post--you just can't do any power role actions or voting
This. I could enforce something along the lines of what you said, Franzy, but... meh, I don't think you guys'll abuse my trust. Not like you could with no affiliation flips, short of breaking MAMA.
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FranziseDeauxnim has died.
BlueJaythePirate has returned to life!
DAY THREE HAS BEGUN!
Reminder: Due to the No Lynch last night, there must be a lynch today.
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Actually, I'm not really sure if the person who revived me is with the town or the Mafia. This is a bit confusing, that much I can know.
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Everybody get posting. One inactive is one thing but I can't read shit with sumguy/cold/cesar, except for a slight town lean on cold
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(while it could be morgan i dont see a good reason in this game to bring people back).
we confirmed 2 members who are 100% town, those being bluejay and franzise
this leaves 5 possible people 2 of which have a role
(unless franzise was sister bikini and was killed while also reviving someone...unsure if possible).
Pierre unconfirmed...active in topic
sumguy28 unconfirmed...not active
cold52 unconfirmed
Franzise Deauxnim TOWN
cesar21600 unconfirmed...not active
JesusMonroe unconfirmed...active in topic
BlueJaythePirate TOWN
right now whats important is getting those who are not active to start participating in the topic as im more suspicious of how inactive they have been and hope they can contribute so i can get a better idea of who i think is suspicious.
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Hmmm... I can't imagine that one of the least active players is Mafia. What if both of the least active players are both town? What if one of the active players is Mafia? It's something to think about.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Ami, if Diego was mislynched by the town and then revived by Morgan, would he become Godot?
No.
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BlueJaythePirate wrote:
Both Cold52 and JesusMonroe got excellent points about the town power role being Sister Bikini. I can't imagine Morgan reviving me, if she knows that I'm town (Cold52 is correct about my role.).
Hmmm... I can't imagine that one of the least active players is Mafia. What if both of the least active players are both town? What if one of the active players is Mafia? It's something to think about.
Hmmm... I can't imagine that one of the least active players is Mafia. What if both of the least active players are both town? What if one of the active players is Mafia? It's something to think about.
Well nothing is for sure unless someone slips up while they are talking but those who never talk or contribute just cross their arms and sit suspiciously in the shadows.
In any case good thing you didn't declare victory.
Vote: Sumguy
Before my understanding was Doc was a decidedly separate role from anything we had but if sister bikini revived someone and they were the target of a hit the same night what would the outcome be? Would they die and come back to life or just die or would it just count as them being protected?
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Let's consider the probabilities of sumguy28 being Mafia or town. And also, take in the fact that the Mafia may kill somebody during Night 3. (The keyword being "may".)
Now, the probabilities would be something like this:
Sumguy28 flips Mafia and no death occurred during the night phrase.
Sumguy28 flips town and death occurs during the night phrase.
Sumguy28 flips Mafia and death occurs during the night phrase.
Sumguy28 flips town and no death occurs during the night phrase.
We can rule out "lynched player being Mafia and death occurs during Night phrase" because we're dealing with just one Mafia.
Sumguy28 flips Mafia and no death occurred during the night phrase.
Sumguy28 flips town and death occurs during the night phrase.
Sumguy28 flips town and no death occurs during the night phrase.
However, since there are three probabilities left. The percentage for each probability would be 33%. (Similar to the three doors problem, if you know what I mean.)
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JesusMonroe wrote:
If you're gonna vote for an inactive, Cesar is probably the better choice
Why's that?
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As for Cold, I have a slight town-read on him
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So we got some info during Night 2:
-BlueJay is definetly vanilla town
-So is Franzise,unless power roles take effect even if you die during that same night (Unlikely)
-Unless scum is Morgan and is playing some crazy gambit then Sister Bikini is definitely in the game.
-There's still one mafioso alive.
I am still confident JM is town,since he seemed like he honestly didn't know whether the victory claims took effect immediately or not.
So that leaves Cold,Pierre and sumguy as suspects.I would like some more of sumguy and Cold
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Sorry for being inactive,surgeries aren't a pretty thing and I have been very tired lately.
So we got some info during Night 2:
-BlueJay is definetly vanilla town
-So is Franzise,unless power roles take effect even if you die during that same night (Unlikely)
-Unless scum is Morgan and is playing some crazy gambit then Sister Bikini is definitely in the game.
-There's still one mafioso alive.
I am still confident JM is town,since he seemed like he honestly didn't know whether the victory claims took effect immediately or not.
So that leaves Cold,Pierre and sumguy as suspects.I would like some more of sumguy and Cold
before I make a read.
So we got some info during Night 2:
-BlueJay is definetly vanilla town
-So is Franzise,unless power roles take effect even if you die during that same night (Unlikely)
-Unless scum is Morgan and is playing some crazy gambit then Sister Bikini is definitely in the game.
-There's still one mafioso alive.
I am still confident JM is town,since he seemed like he honestly didn't know whether the victory claims took effect immediately or not.
So that leaves Cold,Pierre and sumguy as suspects.I would like some more of sumguy and Cold
before I make a read.
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Which I guess means if he's Mafia, the amount of people he's convinced mean we've already lost but oh well, lets roll on. I know I'm in the clear, whether you believe that or not I can't help which means it's down to the less active members.
Might it be worth having the power role announce themselves now? If they do then we can boil this down to a war of attrition since we would have three believable town on the cards.
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While we can't do anything about night hits,we have to be careful with lynching right now.I think there's a possibility that the least active members may be power roles,trying to not screw up and get themselves killed.
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That makes:
JM (generally approved of, probably will never get a majority lynch the way it is)
Bluejay
Our claimant.
Against three others.
If someone attempts to counterclaim, then one of them is clearly lying and they narrow our odds down to 50/50.
We only need one of them to survive to for town to win.
Outcomes:
Two people claim. Both are lynched on the next two nights. Either someone played very stupid or someone played very stupid and we win. Vanilla townies gain nothing by claiming here.
One person claims: The claimant might not survive the night but provided we lynch anyone EXCEPT the three approved townies considering our lynch goes first odds are at the end of the day we'll take them out before they win.
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If there is no kill, we can either no-lynch or lynch on D4. I'd prefer lynching because there are two outcomes:
a) The scum is alive and HAS to kill someone on N3. If this happens, the two people we lynched are in the clear and can be revived safely
b) The scum is already dead and town wins!
Alternatively, if we no-lynch on D4 then the scum still has to lynch someone and that just clears whoever we lynch during this phase
Of course, the plan isn't so cut and dry. It's possible we accidentally lynch the power role (so if one of cesar/sumguy/cold want to definitively say that they are NOT the power role and would like to volunteer to be lynched...)
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